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Australia vs India | 4th Test | Sydney | Jan 3-7, 2019 | Day 2 Thread

BreadPakoda said:
Duh. That's the age-old formula to break down any team.

Ozzies bowlers have done well to hold up. If it were Pakistan, Abbas would have left the field and Amir would have been bowling 110-120kph by now.
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Done well? They've maintained their pace but they haven't looked threatening at all and have given too many loose balls.
 
BreadPakoda said:
Duh. That's the age-old formula to break down any team.

Ozzies bowlers have done well to hold up. If it were Pakistan, Abbas would have left the field and Amir would have been bowling 110-120kph by now.
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aamir was already down to 128 kph yesterday. 4 matches of bowling to pujara and he'd be bowling slower than jadeja.
 
Buffet said:
It doesn't matter, India is likely to put 650 here. Aus can't do anything. India is ensuring that even a miracle can't stop them from winning first series in Aus.
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Hey bro, werent you predicting 300 all out for India?
 
In the current climate i never expect any team to post 600 in any part of the world let alone big grounds in Australia.
 
Aman said:
They've shown other teams the perfect formula to break down Aus.
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Aus actually bowled pretty well. Pujara is simply too deflating when he bats for a long time. Pant and Jadeja are simply cashing on that.
 
Buffet said:
Aus actually bowled pretty well. Pujara is simply too deflating when he bats for a long time. Pant and Jadeja are simply cashing on that.
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He's been more impressive than Kohli in 2014 and Kane in 2015. Think he's outscored both too.

Regardless, that's one way to neuter their fast bowlers. Have a couple of batsmen who can grind them down and than cash in for the second half of the innings.
 
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Zakaz said:
Bangladesh should feel luckier for not playing series with India despite extremly friendly relations.
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We shall play against them at the end of this year. I am just afraid to think of the consequences.
 
I am sure it will take 2.5 days for AUstrliaa to match this score lol If they go hard they could lose wickets.
 
Waiting for a thread

"Has India embarrassed themselves by declaring too late...."
 
One thing I would really be worried if I were an Aussie is the curators don't seem to understand what pitch they make, be it at mcg, now at Sydney, Perth was a coin toss result.
 
WHy does Pant want to lose his wicket to Lyon. Don't want him to take any wickets. Even fluke wickets like this.
 
Mainul said:
We shall play against them at the end of this year. I am just afraid to think of the consequences.
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Yeah, they're going to be livid after this series and Smith and Warner will be back.

They'll have a point to prove and the teams first up are going to face their wrath with the rebuild back on once Smith and Warner are there to carry the batting.
 
jagatk said:
One thing I would really be worried if I were an Aussie is the curators don't seem to understand what pitch they make, be it at mcg, now at Sydney, Perth was a coin toss result.
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SCG is always like that. INdia made 700 plus in mid 2000s. Also back in 1992 Shastri made 206, Sachin mae 148. This is the only one pitch that helps Asians besides Adelaide to score some runs.
 
Highest score by an Indian wicket keeper in away tests. Pant just crossed Dhoni’s 148 against Pakistan!
 
Great knock by Pant here... Killed any chance for Aus after Pujara got out.
 
The third new ball has been massacred by these two lower order batsmen.
 
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203 run partnership. Somebody in the crowd needs to throw some sandpaper into the ground. They might get a wicket then.
 
Fantastic show . Having said that , Kohli should have bowled 20-22 overs to tired Aussies today . 575 should have been adequate .
622/7 declared .
 
Everyone play good cricket apart from unlucky dismissal of Kohli, but what KL Rahul is doing.
I am very confident that even I can take his wicket now and that to in 1st over.
 
Sin Nombre said:
Shaw has played 2 tests in India and Agarwal 2 in Oz. Pant has now played well in England, India and Aus.

At this moment, it's Kohli, Pujara, Pant for me.
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You are missing the importance of Agarwal. If the Indian team starts out 19/3 or 40/4, everything goes downhill from there. The reason we lost the series in SA and England was losing most of the tosses and the absence of good openers.

The score of 622/7d that you see today was due to the foundation provided by Agarwal and Pujara.

Doesn't matter how many matches Shaw has played, he will be one of the best openers India has had. Pant is good, but his success today was also due to the foundation he was provided by the batsmen who came before him.
 
Pant again failing to catch anything that isn't a dolly, great keeper yeah right.
 
Pant isn't a very good keeper.

That was a straight forward take.
 
Sin Nombre said:
Shaw has played 2 tests in India and Agarwal 2 in Oz. Pant has now played well in England, India and Aus.

At this moment, it's Kohli, Pujara, Pant for me.
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jnaveen1980 said:
What lol Pant is ever improving. Not like Saha didn't make mistakes. Pant brings lot of energy. Provides excellent balance. Saha is over-rated. He had couple of a good series. That's it.
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The problem with dropped catches is that they also demoralize the bowler. The damage from the catch of Khwaja that Pant dropped just now is not only the runs Khwaja will go on to score, but also the negative impact it will have on Indian bowlers.

People underestimate the importance of a wicketkeeper. Pant doesn't have to be the wicketkeeper, if he is really a good bat he can play in the team as a batsman and Saha can be the keeper.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Early days. He will come around. he took more catches. Probably long innings, concentration lapse.
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He has dropped nearly every chance that wasn't a simple straight forward catch that you and me could take. He is a mediocre keeper who is going to have to improve leaps and bounds to be a decent one in India, especially against good teams.
 
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Napa said:
The problem with dropped catches is that they also demoralize the bowler. The damage from the catch of Khwaja that Pant dropped just now is not only the runs Khwaja will go on to score, but also the negative impact it will have on Indian bowlers.

People underestimate the importance of a wicketkeeper. Pant doesn't have to be the wicketkeeper, if he is really a good bat he can play in the team as a batsman and Saha can be the keeper.
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Its Khawaja, the odds are he makes 20 more runs. Already unsure and looking like offering more chances.
 
Napa said:
The problem with dropped catches is that they also demoralize the bowler. The damage from the catch of Khwaja that Pant dropped just now is not only the runs Khwaja will go on to score, but also the negative impact it will have on Indian bowlers.

People underestimate the importance of a wicketkeeper. Pant doesn't have to be the wicketkeeper, if he is really a good bat he can play in the team as a batsman and Saha can be the keeper.
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As it is India has a very very long tail. Have you seen how DHoni was when he started his career? Saha is not worth investing. He is already 34. Highly regressive move. Just allow Pant to hone his skills .
 
India has to bowl more to Khawaja. Is he actually an opener? he doesn't look comfortable as opener.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
As it is India has a very very long tail. Have you seen how DHoni was when he started his career? Saha is not worth investing. He is already 34. Highly regressive move. Just allow Pant to hone his skills .
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Canford Cliffs said:
That drop catch may be costly :sanga
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Would be a different game if it was 15/1. One doesn't have to "invest" in Saha, he is already the finished product.

Yeah, sure Pant can score fast. Saha also scored a century in an IPL final.

You can't make an investment in someone by tolerating dropped catches. Or have you forgotten "catches win matches". Two dropped catches mean the other team plays with 7 specialist batsmen rather than 5.
 
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jnaveen1980 said:
As it is India has a very very long tail. Have you seen how DHoni was when he started his career? Saha is not worth investing. He is already 34. Highly regressive move. Just allow Pant to hone his skills .
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You are basically making nonsense general statements. Have you seen *insert name* at start of their career they were very poor.

Dhoni was a top keeper to spin even in his early days, it was pace bowling in SENA he struggled and even then it was an acceptable level, pant basically drops anything isn't very easy on difficulty level 9 out of 10 times.
 
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Napa said:
Would be a different game if it was 15/1. One doesn't have to "invest" in Saha, he is already the finished product.

Yeah, sure Pant can score fast. Saha also scored a century in an IPL final.

You can't make an investment in someone by tolerating dropped catches. Or have you forgotten "catches win matches".
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Would be a differnt game if India were bowled out for 400 runs lol Pant made that happen
 
Shane Warner is suggesting that Australia should get 412 runs to avoid follow and then declare and see if Kohli would set them a target for second innings chase .. that’s the only way Aussies are winning this game
 
jagatk said:
You are basically making nonsense general statements. Have you seen *insert name* at start of their career they were very poor.

Dhoni was a top keeper to spin even in his early days, it was pace bowling in SENA he struggled and even then it was an acceptable level, pant basically drops anything isn't very easy 9n difficulty level 9 out of 10 times.
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No Dhoni didn't even go for many catches against pacers. He would conveniently avoid. Unless Khawaja makes 160 runs you have no real case here. He already holds the record fo r max number of catches by an Indian in a series. This is his first year as a keeper. 2 centuries in England/SA. He is only 22. Saha is a grandpa compared to him. Not even sure how good his form is now. He could suck so bad for all we know. How much of sample you have. He had his own mistakes.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Would be a differnt game if India were bowled out for 400 runs lol Pant made that happen
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Even with 400 on the board, if India got Australia out for 250 they would have a better chance of winning than they have now.

jagatk said:
Pant scored 159 even if pant's replacement scored 0 we would end up with 463 and that is without declaring.
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You are making too much sense :)
 
jagatk said:
Pant scored 159 even if pant's replacement scored 0 we would end up with 463 and that is without declaring.
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No That partnership may not have happened. You can't just take his runs out and say we would have scored that much.
 
bantu said:
Shane Warner is suggesting that Australia should get 412 runs to avoid follow and then declare and see if Kohli would set them a target for second innings chase .. that’s the only way Aussies are winning this game
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Warne gives some really weird suggestions from time to time. Last test match he was suggesting to make 6 changes in the Australian lineup.

Coming back to this match, it's unlikely India will lose but Australia's best bet is to score 800+ runs in 200 overs and bowl 75 overs at India in the last day to force a result.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
No Dhoni didn't even go for many catches against pacers. He would conveniently avoid. Unless Khawaja makes 160 runs you have no real case here. He already holds the record fo r max number of catches by an Indian in a series. This is his first year as a keeper. 2 centuries in England/SA. He is only 22. Saha is a grandpa compared to him. Not even sure how good his form is now. He could suck so bad for all we know. How much of sample you have. He had his own mistakes.
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Please show us where dhoni was dropping catches, dhoni's keeping has never been under scanner ever, please stop spouting nonsense, you like pant fair enough but no need to revise history to make a mediocre keeper look good, his record is because we have had the best bowling unit in our history not because pant can take regulation catches that 10 year olds could take.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
No That partnership may not have happened. You can't just take his runs out and say we would have scored that much.
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So you expect his replacement to score a golden duck and us to collapse from 322-5 to 400 allout with pujara still batting, that is allowed but me making a simple math calculation is absurd, you are making a fool out of yourself here mate.
 
jagatk said:
Please show us where dhoni was dropping catches, dhoni's keeping has never been under scanner ever, please stop spouting nonsense, you like pant fair enough but no need to revise history to make a mediocre keeper look good, his record is because we have had the best bowling unit in our history not because pant can take regulation catches that 10 year olds could take.
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That is why he never went for catches.Especially in England. Many catches he left to slip when those catches were his lol. He was smart with that. No sorry you are over-rating an barely above average keeper like he is Rodney marsh next coming. Even Gilly has dropped a few. Many have done. Saha after a couple of series people got carried away with uber hype forgetting how he missed very simple stumpings.
 
jagatk said:
So you expect his replacement to score a golden duck and us to collapse from 322-5 to 400 allout with pujara still batting, that is allowed but me making a simple math calculation is absurd, you are making a fool out of yourself here mate.
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322/5 to 350 all out is more likely with saha than 400. Did you even check how much our tail contriibuted in this series and how Jadeja got bounced out twice in a row?
 
jnaveen1980 said:
No Dhoni didn't even go for many catches against pacers. He would conveniently avoid. <b>Unless Khawaja makes 160 runs you have no real case here.</b> He already holds the record fo r max number of catches by an Indian in a series. This is his first year as a keeper. 2 centuries in England/SA. He is only 22. Saha is a grandpa compared to him. Not even sure how good his form is now. He could suck so bad for all we know. How much of sample you have. He had his own mistakes.
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Your reasoning is based on:

1) Pant's replacement would have scored zero.
2) The last 3 wickets at the point India declared would also have scored zero.
3) The game can't end in a draw even though India has a larger run total.

You need to think through this before making these sort of posts.
 
This saha puranam is frankly annoying. Whoever created the hype for such an average player like saha needs to be appreciated. Somehow it caught on.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
That is why he never went for catches.Especially in England. Many catches he left to slip when those catches were his lol. He was smart with that. No sorry you are over-rating an barely above average keeper like he is Rodney marsh next coming. Even Gilly has dropped a few. Many have done. Saha after a couple of series people got carried away with uber hype forgetting how he missed very simple stumpings.
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No one is calling dhoni a great keeper against pace, that is another ** assumption on your part, my exact words were acceptable. Also every keeper drops a few but only pant seems to drop ever catch that isn't a dolly, last keeper who did that for us was parthiv, pant's keeping is a similar level which is mediocre.
 
Napa said:
Your reasoning is based on:

1) Pant's replacement would have scored zero.
2) The last 3 wickets at the point India declared would also have scored zero.
3) The game can't end in a draw even though India has a larger run total.

You need to think through this before making these sort of posts.
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Your assumption is saha would have taken that catch and taken all the 21 catches that pant took.
 
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