Australia vs India : Australia's bizarre run-chase leaves a lot of questions to be answered

[Junaids]

Clearly you are not Aussie. As per [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] world cup is just practice for ashes. Junaids is the true Aussie

No, I’m saying that in England and Australia this World Cup is viewed as the curtain-raiser for The Ashes.

The ultimate example is James Pattinson. He’d be very useful as an all-round force, but Australia has clearly decided to save him for The Ashes.

I think everybody knows that the 2015 and 2019 World Cups have been designed to order to ensure that India goes as far as possible.

No grass on the pitches, no seam in the ball, huge bats and small boundaries. Bowlers only get wickets against slogging: the skill of seam and swing bowling has been completely removed from the equation.

That’s fine, but it really only appeals to people of south Asian ethnicity. Nobody else takes it seriously.

 

[Ab Fan]

Warner was planning to take the game deep as possible because he knows he has the capability of exploding and making up for the balls missed in two overs. Both Warner and Smith are trying to spend as much time as possible in the middle to get their hand-eye back. That does not bode well for Pakistan because he might just end up exploding against them.

It is a good to take the game deep but that can be done by scoring a 70 of 84 balls as well. 56 off 84 is completely in-excusable IMO. You are getting stuck rather than taking the game deep here.

 

[Abdullah]

Normally off the last 7 u want to be at the requiring 75 mark max,
Aus needed 84.
Stoinia and Maxwell lasted 12 balls between them and Warner had a mare ( including Finch run out)
Nothing to see here, India bowled well

 

[Ab Fan]

No, I’m saying that in England and Australia this World Cup is viewed as the curtain-raiser for The Ashes.

The ultimate example is James Pattinson. He’d be very useful as an all-round force, but Australia has clearly decided to save him for The Ashes.

I think everybody knows that the 2015 and 2019 World Cups have been designed to order to ensure that India goes as far as possible.

<B>No grass on the pitches, no seam in the ball, huge bats and small boundaries. Bowlers only get wickets against slogging: the skill of seam and swing bowling has been completely removed from the equation.</B>

That’s fine, but it really only appeals to people of south Asian ethnicity. Nobody else takes it seriously.

We have the ICC test rankings as well for all this. You can check that. Remember, in the last 16 months, India have toured South Africa, England and Australia and only played one home series, which was vs Windies. So, no lengthy home seasons.

 

[jagatk]

No, I’m saying that in England and Australia this World Cup is viewed as the curtain-raiser for The Ashes.

The ultimate example is James Pattinson. He’d be very useful as an all-round force, but Australia has clearly decided to save him for The Ashes.

I think everybody knows that the 2015 and 2019 World Cups have been designed to order to ensure that India goes as far as possible.

No grass on the pitches, no seam in the ball, huge bats and small boundaries. Bowlers only get wickets against slogging: the skill of seam and swing bowling has been completely removed from the equation.

That’s fine, but it really only appeals to people of south Asian ethnicity. Nobody else takes it seriously.

Yes ofcourse the great James Pattinson with the the unbelievable out of the world experience of 15 odi's where managed to average 10 with the bat and 42 with the ball, every team clearly needs someone who can do that, i mean those are some serious quality nos had he been selected i am sure he would be like imran khan, andrew flintoff all rolled into one because his nos are sooooo gooood.

Absolutely agree with your bats part.The world cup has special bats made which no else uses in any other bilaterals or series, not to mention the pitches in england are so different for the world cup that they usually are, i mean its not as if in last 3 years, england at home have scored less than 300 in only 1 innings where they batted for 50 overs. Clearly the pitches were different before worldcup.

Get a life buddy, so much hate isn't good for health.

 

[arunpsm]

The greatest satisfaction was to see Steve Smith go (but not until he scored a half century). Its because on his day, vs India esp, he can single handedly take game away no matter the odds.

 

[ekpakistani]

Warner...the way he played raises a lot of questions. Especially the way finch was run out...

And i watched every ball of this game... The way commies were praising indian players.. Seemed like they are more interested in IPL contracts then world cup. I don't blame them. They are looking for a quick buck while they can.

In a broader sense game of cricket is slowly but surely becoming WWE.

 

[Tiger96]

When Pakistan wins they are unpredictable this that, when India wins there's something fishy and incomprehensible.

 

[ekpakistani]

When Pakistan wins they are unpredictable this that, when India wins there's something fishy and incomprehensible.

That comparison is flawed. PCB does not have similar influence as BCCI. Stop thinking of this as pak vs india issue.

Look at from an objective cricket fan and what ICC + big 3 doing to cricket.

 

[MP2011]

lol at conspiracy theories. Some people never get tired of them. If Indian team loses, they are losers, can't even win despite all this largesse by ICC. And if they win, how dare they? The other team must have thrown the game rather than India winning it. They don't have any cricketing skills to win a cricket game.

 

[wrongun]

I dont know many aussies that expect to win this WC. There would be a cleanout win or lose to start planning for WC 2023.

Perhaps not like the Ponting era when you just couldn't see anyone beating us, but most people I speak to expect to be in the semi's and then the business end of the WC.

You must be speaking to some real sad sacks when we entered the tournament with our 2 best players back, having won 10 games on the trot with one of our selection concerns being too many top order players in good form demanding selection & they didn't see much hope of an Oz win.

 

[Gilly]

Perhaps not like the Ponting era when you just couldn't see anyone beating us, but most people I speak to expect to be in the semi's and then the business end of the WC.

You must be speaking to some real sad sacks when we entered the tournament with our 2 best players back, having won 10 games on the trot with one of our selection concerns being too many top order players in good form demanding selection & they didn't see much hope of an Oz win.

Most people think Aus will do well and could win, but not the confidence that we have carried before.

 

[wrongun]

That comparison is flawed. PCB does not have similar influence as BCCI. Stop thinking of this as pak vs india issue.

Look at from an objective cricket fan and what ICC + big 3 doing to cricket.

Australia have been co-erced by India, ICC & other Big 2 to lose an early round group match at the WC for the mysterious purposes of... please explain?

Or lets apply Occams Razor- wouldn't it be MORE mysterious IF... the largest population in the world, over a billion people to choose from;
which is rising to become an economic powerhouse through both size & modernising economy;
which is passionate really only about one single sport so natural funding & best athletes will mostly end up at this sport;
which they have been playing at for at least a century

IF... they couldn't beat a wealthy, but small medium sized nation of 25 million or so occasionally- or even regularly at this sport? Even if this nation had a past reputation for sporting excellence but has let sports funding, participation & the general fitness of it's population decline markedly over the last 2 decades?

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Its ridiculous to expect Australia threw a match to help India, when Australia haven't even qualified themselves yet.

I worry for Pakistan though.

We won against England and lost to West Indies so that's 2 expected points. But the SRL was supposed to be 2 easy points and we got only 1.

If we predict a loss to Aus and India, I don't see how Pakistan can somehow thrash SA, NZL, Ban, Afgh to somehow get 11 points and qualify especially since our NRR has hugely suffered and further losses will dip it further.

If however we are winning every match from here on, provided rain stays away, I'd genuinely consider Pakistan a serious contender for the title.

Curious to see how Australia match pans out. That will tell me about Pakistan's true capabilities as they haven't played a lot yet.

 

[Omer2002]

I definately think there was something fishy alright as 350 in modern game wasnt hard to chase...i can only think of two factors one that Aussies never believed they could win from there...secondly they wanted to make sure their run rate wasnt affected as our battering from the windies has made our run rate pathetic

 

[Balthazar]

Maybe it's to do with how their top order failed in the last match against WI? They were like 90-5 at one stage in that match. Seeing their batting depth, this was the correct approach. But they were a bit late in counter-attacking.

 

[Rifaqat]

I definately think there was something fishy alright as 350 in modern game wasnt hard to chase...i can only think of two factors one that Aussies never believed they could win from there...secondly they wanted to make sure their run rate wasnt affected as our battering from the windies has made our run rate pathetic

Or players like Smith and Warner do not want to anger their IPL masters

Dont know why people think Smith played a good innings. It was better than how Warner played but still rubbish

On the other hand, look at Khwaja and Carey played. These guys are not involved in the IPL and the difference in their approach was there to see.

This was not a match in my opinion

 

[wrongun]

I definately think there was something fishy alright as 350 in modern game wasnt hard to chase...i can only think of two factors one that Aussies never believed they could win from there...secondly they wanted to make sure their run rate wasnt affected as our battering from the windies has made our run rate pathetic

Please- list me all these 350 run chases in a WC.

Do go on- I'm waiting.

Ok, maybe not ALL- Just ONE.

One single "wasn't hard to chase" 350 in ANY WC game will do.

I'll just wait here patiently.

 

[wrongun]

Or players like Smith and Warner do not want to anger their IPL masters

Dont know why people think Smith played a good innings. It was better than how Warner played but still rubbish

On the other hand, look at Khwaja and Carey played. These guys are not involved in the IPL and the difference in their approach was there to see.

This was not a match in my opinion

These "masters" who pay them less than what CA pays them & who have/will pay them far less, a fraction, of what CA & later media jobs in oz as reputable characters etc will pay them?

Those "masters"?

 

[Technics 1210]

Nothing fishy at all, it's just Australia are an average team.

 

[Usman Chadda]

England had batsmen to go guns blazing. They bat till 11. Australia doesn't have someone like Butler. But for Butler innings that would have been a epic fail. Butler made that chase look better than it was. Look at the strike rate of everyone except Butler. Bairtsow barely 100, Morgan strike rate 50, Stokes sub 100. Moeen Ali absolutely killed the chase from 41st to 46th over by showing zero intent. They were not exactly guns blazing. Only guy who showed intent was butler.

Bhai sahib that was a failed chase. I'm speaking about the ones in Windies and the 3rd ODI vs Pakistan, which they achieved successfully with this blueprint.

But yes you're right. Australia probably don't have the ammo nor confidence.

 

[warcry]

warner for man of the match. totally won the game for india.
this innings should be a reality check for imam ul haq, babar azam bashers, these accumulators would have scored at a better rate than warner.

 

[geraltofrivia]

Australia have been co-erced by India, ICC & other Big 2 to lose an early round group match at the WC for the mysterious purposes of... please explain?

Or lets apply Occams Razor- wouldn't it be MORE mysterious IF... the largest population in the world, over a billion people to choose from;
which is rising to become an economic powerhouse through both size & modernising economy;
which is passionate really only about one single sport so natural funding & best athletes will mostly end up at this sport;
which they have been playing at for at least a century

IF... they couldn't beat a wealthy, but small medium sized nation of 25 million or so occasionally- or even regularly at this sport? Even if this nation had a past reputation for sporting excellence but has let sports funding, participation & the general fitness of it's population decline markedly over the last 2 decades?

true. as the indian economy keeps growing the indian team will keep getting stronger and stronger.

 

[Tyler Durden]

You are being dishonest. There were plenty of threads criticizing Pakistan 105 all out efforts. Pakistan team were criticized for not trying hard enough, leaving many questions unanswered - questions which were then answered vs England.

The fact is you would enjoy a thread ridiculing Pakistan team for obvious reasons, but take issue when other teams, in particular Australia, are criticized because it takes the shine off India's victory.

While claims of fixing are ridiculous, you cannot ignore the body language by some of Australian players in yesterday's match. I suggest you look at the last 10 overs Australia bowled, there certainly was a lack of intent, and this is based on the body language - not the lack of sand paper, not the thought of IPL contracts, not because of some grand master plan to keep Pakistan out of the SFs - but body language. Bearing in mind, Australia had to bat, so the question of being demoralized by a high total was also out the question.

Let's not get started with the body language of the players now. I can show you the highlights of the Asia Cup games that Pak played against India just a few months ago to write a massive thesis on the body language of Pak players too, yes they never showed any fighting spirit nor were their body language looked like they were there to fight it out against the opposition. Does that mean Pak played some suspicious cricket? Why is it hard for you guys to understand that India had a plan and played a professional and disciplined cricket against AUS and was the deserving winner?

 

[MenInG]

Some posters forgetting that posting on pp is a privilege and not a right.

Any more posts from anyone criticizing PP/posters/policies and you will be banned.

Any issues go to MRR forum and complain there.

 

[wrongun]

true. as the indian economy keeps growing the indian team will keep getting stronger and stronger.

It's a pattern in many sports- better funding- greater reward lures more people to chase it harder- better sports science- more modern facilities- greater number of full time professional athletes- better facilities or opportunities at lower levels as middle class or those with opportunity grows- the best foreign talent either coaching or playing is lured to participate, raising standards further...

You could list more. But it's accepted in most sports that success most often & most reliably (not always, that's the glory of sports) follows funding. We've seen it in Oz where our economy has never been in recession for 2 decades (almost 3 now) but we have markedly decreased the adjusted levels of sports funding post our 2000 Olympics (& all sports) "high" & now we see less success. The British efforts at the London games show how similar increased spending/funding/focus achieves success.

 

[Technics 1210]

Let's not get started with the body language of the players now. I can show you the highlights of the Asia Cup games that Pak played against India just a few months ago to write a massive thesis on the body language of Pak players too, yes they never showed any fighting spirit nor were their body language looked like they were there to fight it out against the opposition. Does that mean Pak played some suspicious cricket? Why is it hard for you guys to understand that India had a plan and played a professional and disciplined cricket against AUS and was the deserving winner?

Why not start on body language? Body language is one of the first signs of a teams's intent, whether fielding, bowling, or batting. You have admitted in your post above that body language is indicative of fighting spirit.

I never said Australia's performance was suspicious, read what I am saying, I answered directly to the OP title. Australia's run chase does leave questions unanswered - given the body language.

Your illogical correlation between body language and suspicion (implying corruption) is your opinion and your falsehood, not mine.

 

[giri26]

No conspiracy. India just bowled well and the pitch was two paced. Australia made some strategical errors which cost them.

 

[Mkumar825]

That comparison is flawed. PCB does not have similar influence as BCCI. Stop thinking of this as pak vs india issue.

Look at from an objective cricket fan and what ICC + big 3 doing to cricket.

India bowled with plan ,no free bie .

 

[silentkiller187]

India played well, the pressure of the chase got to Aussies, simple as no need to call foul play after every game just because it didn't end the way you wanted it to. Cricket isn't played on paper.

 

[Mp812]

Yes ofcourse the great James Pattinson with the the unbelievable out of the world experience of 15 odi's where managed to average 10 with the bat and 42 with the ball, every team clearly needs someone who can do that, i mean those are some serious quality nos had he been selected i am sure he would be like imran khan, andrew flintoff all rolled into one because his nos are sooooo gooood.

Absolutely agree with your bats part.The world cup has special bats made which no else uses in any other bilaterals or series, not to mention the pitches in england are so different for the world cup that they usually are, i mean its not as if in last 3 years, england at home have scored less than 300 in only 1 innings where they batted for 50 overs. Clearly the pitches were different before worldcup.

Get a life buddy, so much hate isn't good for health.

By same logic England missed a trick by not selecting Bopara. Ain't it ? Eh?

 

[sugumarrising]

Its same for all the team mr.junaid, no grass on the pitches, no seam in the ball, huge bats, small boundaries, its same all the teams man according to your theory when india bats the pitches are changed, when other teams play against india again the pitches are changed for india's advantage, so why pakistan can't even bat in flat tracks that too against new zealand and lost the match from 120/3 to 170 all out i don't remember the exact scores, pakistan has the poorest batting of all the 8 major nations, can't play in flat tracks, can't play in swinging & seaming conditions, first see the state of your cricket team, don't give lame excuses, you can't accept that india is one of the strongest team in the world in all forms of cricket, pakistan ?????????????????

 

[rockyboy2018]

Its ridiculous to expect Australia threw a match to help India, when Australia haven't even qualified themselves yet.

I worry for Pakistan though.

We won against England and lost to West Indies so that's 2 expected points. But the SRL was supposed to be 2 easy points and we got only 1.

If we predict a loss to Aus and India, I don't see how Pakistan can somehow thrash SA, NZL, Ban, Afgh to somehow get 11 points and qualify especially since our NRR has hugely suffered and further losses will dip it further.

If however we are winning every match from here on, provided rain stays away, I'd genuinely consider Pakistan a serious contender for the title.

Curious to see how Australia match pans out. That will tell me about Pakistan's true capabilities as they haven't played a lot yet.

Dude Pakistan is playing final. They already beat the WC favorites. You are a doctor who is creating more patients for anxiety

 

[wrongun]

[MENTION=141165]jagatk[/MENTION]
[MENTION=134382]Mp812[/MENTION]

Pattinson wasn't selected for the same reason Hazlewood wasn't (who had a far, far stronger case). Not fit. No confidence in lasting the tournament. No formline.

Pattinson has had so many aborted international comebacks that he just isn't being considered because he can't put a whole season together. He can earn excellent money on the Oz domestic circuit alone if he doesn't destroy himself and it got to the point after 5+ years of constant injury where a line was drawn that he would not be considered until a full domestic season. He wouldn't withstand the international calendar.

I hope for him that he gets fit & plays well but he was never really in any contention for Australian selection in any team for the last year or more.

He was a talented player- just lost to injury. Pakistan has 100 fast bowlers like that. Most other nations too.

 

[jagatk]

[MENTION=141165]jagatk[/MENTION]
[MENTION=134382]Mp812[/MENTION]

Pattinson wasn't selected for the same reason Hazlewood wasn't (who had a far, far stronger case). Not fit. No confidence in lasting the tournament. No formline.

Pattinson has had so many aborted international comebacks that he just isn't being considered because he can't put a whole season together. He can earn excellent money on the Oz domestic circuit alone if he doesn't destroy himself and it got to the point after 5+ years of constant injury where a line was drawn that he would not be considered until a full domestic season. He wouldn't withstand the international calendar.

I hope for him that he gets fit & plays well but he was never really in any contention for Australian selection in any team for the last year or more.

He was a talented player- just lost to injury. Pakistan has 100 fast bowlers like that. Most other nations too.

No offence to Pattinson but he isn't good enough in LoI fit or not, these aren't test matches. Also my comments weren't to belittle Pattinson but to counter a poster's point that somehow pattinson is a worldclass player who has been rested to play Ashes rather than the worldcup because world cup isn't big enough to risk him.

 

[jadaja]

No, I’m saying that in England and Australia this World Cup is viewed as the curtain-raiser for The Ashes.

The ultimate example is James Pattinson. He’d be very useful as an all-round force, but Australia has clearly decided to save him for The Ashes.

I think everybody knows that the 2015 and 2019 World Cups have been designed to order to ensure that India goes as far as possible.

No grass on the pitches, no seam in the ball, huge bats and small boundaries. Bowlers only get wickets against slogging: the skill of seam and swing bowling has been completely removed from the equation.

That’s fine, but it really only appeals to people of south Asian ethnicity. Nobody else takes it seriously.

So who designed CT 2017 so Pakistan can go all the way.Wow I thought people can be delusional but I was wrong, some people are beyond delusional.

 

[Sami92]

I would have sent in Maxwell ahead of Khawaja.

 

[octavian]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This has been one very strange Chase so far ..... <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CWC2019?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CWC2019</a></p>— Michael Vaughan (@MichaelVaughan) <a href="https://twitter.com/MichaelVaughan/status/1137740480513490945?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 9, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Not only the batting, Australian bowling was also very strange.

Compare Strac's opening spell to Gayle with his spell to Rohit and Dhawan. It was evident in first 4 overs of the game, what was going to happen.

 

[Mp812]

Or players like Smith and Warner do not want to anger their IPL masters

Dont know why people think Smith played a good innings. It was better than how Warner played but still rubbish

On the other hand, look at Khwaja and Carey played. These guys are not involved in the IPL and the difference in their approach was there to see.

This was not a match in my opinion

Or maybe Khwaja and Carey may end up with IPL contract because of they way they played

 

[Mp812]

This...He was killing it in the IPL.Was leading run scorer and was batting with a very high SR.Yesterday's innings does raise some questions.Seems the ICC trying hard to make it India vs England final

ICC is trying hard to make it India vs Eng final ? and they recruited Australians to fix it ? Wow world cooperation is getting better day by day .. Just other day WI did not try hard enough and lost against Aus because umpires were helping Australia to win because ICC wanted so. This is confusing

 

[jnaveen1980]

ICC is trying hard to make it India vs Eng final ? and they recruited Australians to fix it ? Wow world cooperation is getting better day by day .. Just other day WI did not try hard enough and lost against Aus because umpires were helping Australia to win because ICC wanted so. This is confusing

lol Basically A) should not give credit to Indian bowlers B) In case they lose to the same Aussies this theory will be helpful in coping with the loss.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Dude Pakistan is playing final. They already beat the WC favorites. You are a doctor who is creating more patients for anxiety

Oh yes your revelation.

How can I forget?

And I remember I asked you why it hasnt happened in last 25 years and you had no answer.

False prophets bro, false prophets.

 

[RamLakhan]

Warner is a suspicious character , I don't believe him after that ball tampering. He should be brought under investigation for a very strange innings ( an unWarnerlike innings). If he had scored 20 more runs ,that is, 74 off 80 balls Australia would have won

Just like how Yuvaraj (who hit 6 sixes in a over) lost WC T20 against Sri Lanka! You don't want to see players as players, but machines!

 

[ILcricket]

I am not jumping to any conclusions here. Just raising my concern on what I saw today on one of the most ridiculous batting performances by Australia in this box office game.

Don’t you guys think there was something suspicious in the way Australia went about their business? They almost made it almost impossible for themselves towards the end and then started slogging.

Was this game played in the true spirit specially when Australia batted? I would not have created this thread had I not followed every single ball in the Australian innings. I watched the whole game live and I just cannot believe what I saw. There was absolutely no signs of urgency from Australia only until Maxwell came to bat.

except Warner , every thing looked kosher .

 

[Junaid_ahmed]

All credit to indian bowlers who bound the warner with bodyline. The line, length, accuracy & discipline in indian bowling was inspirational.

 

[KingKhanWC]

All credit to indian bowlers who bound the warner with bodyline. The line, length, accuracy & discipline in indian bowling was inspirational.

50% of those dots he played could have easily been converted into a single at least. Warner wasn't trying at all. Very dodgy innings and I hope the Aus management look into why he played totally out of character and in a way which lost his team the game. He shouldn't have been selected, give those who dont cheat a chance.

 

[Junaid_ahmed]

50% of those dots he played could have easily been converted into a single at least. Warner wasn't trying at all. Very dodgy innings and I hope the Aus management look into why he played totally out of character and in a way which lost his team the game. He shouldn't have been selected, give those who dont cheat a chance.

Could have been the case but only if a batsman was mentally prepare that opposition will target him on his weakest link OR if a batsman have a sensible partner at other end who can tell him to change the strategy. In yesterdays match a part of 1 over of pandyia finch himself was playing at same SR as warner's.

Another thing is Dhoni would have bring two close fielders to cut of his possible rotation.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Could have been the case but only if a batsman was mentally prepare that opposition will target him on his weakest link OR if a batsman have a sensible partner at other end who can tell him to change the strategy. In yesterdays match a part of 1 over of pandyia finch himself was playing at same SR as warner's.

Another thing is Dhoni would have bring two close fielders to cut of his possible rotation.

Sure for the 5, 10 or even 15 balls but when someone plays so many dots esp a batsmen who is aggressive by nature, there is something fishy going on.

 

[Junaid_ahmed]

Sure for the 5, 10 or even 15 balls but when someone plays so many dots esp a batsmen who is aggressive by nature, there is something fishy going on.

Yesterdays match open up the warner infront of world. Let see either warner will overcome on his weakness or the bowling units around the world will utilize this, but I dont see any disciplined bowling unit apart of india could do this.

may be New Zealand to some extent.

 

[James]

Australia did their best up against a gargantuan total, with the exception of Warner who played the wrong innings - but I didn’t pick up on any suspicious activity here. Just a poor performance from an overhyped batsman who put the rest of his team on the back foot.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Yesterdays match open up the warner infront of world. Let see either warner will overcome on his weakness or the bowling units around the world will utilize this, but I dont see any disciplined bowling unit apart of india could do this.

may be New Zealand to some extent.

India still conceded 316 with Warner wasting 5 overs in dots! Every other player who played enough deliveries scored at over 100 sr. Look if it was Amla or Imam I could understand but this isn't Warners way and he is till regarded as one of the best LOI opening bats. As I said I watched his innings, his batting showed a lot of pre-determined defence shots, his mind was a dot ball before the ball was even released.

 

[jnaveen1980]

A lousy bowling attack who repeatedly got cartered around by England was able to defend 348 but India that has atleast 3 world class bowlers defending 352 is a question mark lol

 

[jnaveen1980]

Yesterdays match open up the warner infront of world. Let see either warner will overcome on his weakness or the bowling units around the world will utilize this, but I dont see any disciplined bowling unit apart of india could do this.

may be New Zealand to some extent.

Short ball weakness. Windies exploited it. Warner was even lucky to be there as the bail didn't fall. Not only Warner. He was fending off against Pandya. Smith after sometime couldn't score quickly either. His strike rate 100 dropped below 100 as the innings went on. Carey's few late slogs (who has never played such an innings all his life) should not give an impression batting was easy. India was being complacent and careless. Maxie was always going to be up struggle against leggies. He frequently gets out to leggies. NO surprise there. Inspite of all that Australia was one run ahead of India after 40 overs.

 

[Junaid_ahmed]

India still conceded 316 with Warner wasting 5 overs in dots! Every other player who played enough deliveries scored at over 100 sr. Look if it was Amla or Imam I could understand but this isn't Warners way and he is till regarded as one of the best LOI opening bats. As I said I watched his innings, his batting showed a lot of pre-determined defence shots, his mind was a dot ball before the ball was even released.

Warner changed the guard around 3,4 times but he didnt realize that stumps were not the target, his ribs were the target. For your part regarding warner played 30 dots, may india could have finished the match in 45 overs. All are assumptions.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Warner changed the guard around 3,4 times but he didnt realize that stumps were not the target, his ribs were the target. For your part regarding warner played 30 dots, may india could have finished the match in 45 overs. All are assumptions.

All he had to do is get on top of the bounce and clip into the leg side or use some innovation. IT makes no sense to say India were average to poor against every other batsmen but were brilliant v Warner. It wasnt Indian bowling but pathetic batting from Warner, which imo was deliberate.

 

[Junaid_ahmed]

A lousy bowling attack who repeatedly got cartered around by England was able to defend 348 but India that has atleast 3 world class bowlers defending 352 is a question mark lol

Is this necessary?

 

[Majestic_Inzi]

No conspiracy. India just bowled well and the pitch was two paced. Australia made some strategical errors which cost them.

yet Carey managed to score 50 off 20 bowls.

Maxwell timed his first bowl but warner didnt even time one.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Khawaja was clueless, Smith started with 100 strike rate ended with below 100 strike rate. Finch has been our funny in recent times.Coulter hack was exposed. Carey wildly swinging and connection was like Hasan Ali, Tim Southee wildly swinging connecting. It can happen. Only threat was Maxie. Taken care of by a leggie.

 

[jnaveen1980]

yet Carey managed to score 50 off 20 bowls.

Maxwell timed his first bowl but warner didnt even time one.

Carey scored faster than Smith as well so smith is poorer than Carey? A lower order batsman slogging in a hopeless situation is the benchmark for other batsmen? wow.

 

[Majestic_Inzi]

A lousy bowling attack who repeatedly got cartered around by England was able to defend 348 but India that has atleast 3 world class bowlers defending 352 is a question mark lol

hmmm, Shadab, Amir and Wahab were not playing in the eng series, lets take out Bumrah and Chalal, see how well Ind do.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Is this necessary?

Okay bit harsh. But just to tell Conspiracy theories can be manufactured out of anything. May be they were expecting Starc and Cummins to blow away this line up. When that didn't happen disappointment took over.

 

[Majestic_Inzi]

Carey scored faster than Smith as well so smith is poorer than Carey? A lower order batsman slogging in a hopeless situation is the benchmark for other batsmen? wow.

He also missed an easy catch of Pandya, if he was out that 49 off 25 bowls would never have happened.

 

[jnaveen1980]

hmmm, Shadab, Amir and Wahab were not playing in the eng series, lets take out Bumrah and Chalal, see how well Ind do.

India didn't play Bumrah in England. They didn't exactly concede 350 even once. No Shami either. Pandya opened the bowling with Kaul, Bhuvi.

 

[jnaveen1980]

He also missed an easy catch of Pandya, if he was out that 49 off 25 bowls would never have happened.

Rahul score 11 runs in 3 balls. prbably he would have ended up with 100. Kohli was still batting. Dhoni was scoring quickly.

 

[jnaveen1980]

hmmm, Shadab, Amir and Wahab were not playing in the eng series, lets take out Bumrah and Chalal, see how well Ind do.

Wahab went for 113 runs in England against same team. This time went for 82 runs. Not exactly someone i would consider as great threat.

 

[Artaxerxes]

Something fishy was going on.Australian were not even trying.There was no seam or swing.It was a batting pitch.Had England been chasing it would have given it a go.

 

[Junaid_ahmed]

Australia lost that match from the point where pandyia's catch was drop. Then pandyias hitting force them to do several strategical blunders & followed by poor death bowling.

 

[shane]

Australia got it down to 110 in the last 10 overs with wickets in hand. That was a great achievement because it meant they had every chance of winning. But they lost their way in the last 10. Plus it was the typically subcontinental pitch you would expect at the Oval.

 

[Pete Rose]

This is a very febrile thread

 

[jnaveen1980]

Australia got it down to 110 in the last 10 overs with wickets in hand. That was a great achievement because it meant they had every chance of winning. But they lost their way in the last 10. Plus it was the typically subcontinental pitch you would expect at the Oval.

They have a lot of depth. But Bhuvi's over was a game changer. Stoinis is a mighty hitter. He takes times. But once in the zone he can clear the boundaries comfortably. As dangerous as Maxie.

 

[Mainul]

Just like how Yuvaraj (who hit 6 sixes in a over) lost WC T20 against Sri Lanka! You don't want to see players as players, but machines!

There should be intent. If any players while trying to hit or making runs gets out, nobody shall raise suspicion but if someone who is famous for brisk innings plays an innings of 54 of 80 while chasing 353 with no intent question will be raised. Misbah's innings at Mohali in 2011 is thus quesionable so does that of yuvi which you mentioned .

 

[The_Odd_One]

1. Anything above 340 is very hard to chase.
2. India has the best bowling unit in the world.

Not interested in any conspiracy theories

 

[MenInG]

Warner froze when it mattered - he isnt that great a player we all make him out to be

 

[Mp812]

If you are going suspect players based on intent, Dhoni will come across as the biggest fixer. He plays out maiden over in 45th over. Each batsman has their own method. Some wait for real bad bowlers. What about BD other day? Zero intent from the get go from any of their players.

Sometimes false bravado is harmful and practicality is important. Retreat today and live to fight another day was the idea BD used.
BD knew that they do not have firepower to get 370+ set by Eng.
They also knew in trying to get there they could be 150 all out after assesing their batting strength and that could damage NRR which in case of crowded points table will matter
A more practical approach then was to ensure NRR did not take a hit and get as close to score as possible and try use up all 50 overs.

For all the conspiracy theories floating around Ind - Aus match, I strongly beleive even Aus took that approach ,that "lets get to 300 first with wickets in hand and then try go for win".They succeded in getting to 300 but failed to get to 350 needed to win.

The hit in NRR Pakistan has taken from WI game is huge. Every team will now try to ensure they do not loose by that huge a margin in case of point table having a tie for fourth SF spot.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Sometimes false bravado is harmful and practicality is important. Retreat today and live to fight another day was the idea BD used.
BD knew that they do not have firepower to get 370+ set by Eng.
They also knew in trying to get there they could be 150 all out after assesing their batting strength and that could damage NRR which in case of crowded points table will matter
A more practical approach then was to ensure NRR did not take a hit and get as close to score as possible and try use up all 50 overs.

For all the conspiracy theories floating around Ind - Aus match, I strongly beleive even Aus took that approach ,that "lets get to 300 first with wickets in hand and then try go for win".They succeded in getting to 300 but failed to get to 350 needed to win.

The hit in NRR Pakistan has taken from WI game is huge. Every team will now try to ensure they do not loose by that huge a margin in case of point table having a tie for fourth SF spot.

They are defending champions. In all likelihood, they may go on to win it again as they are still the beasts in crunch moment. Always highly competitive in this event. Even average players play outside their capacity in crunch moments. Andy Bichel did it twice in 2003. In this edition First Coulter Nile, Next Carey. They produce heroes out of nowhere in the world cup. So casting a slur on them casually just because we don't like the result is in poor taste.

 

[Majestic_Inzi]

Rahul score 11 runs in 3 balls. prbably he would have ended up with 100. Kohli was still batting. Dhoni was scoring quickly.

the first bowl was a gift.

 

[Rifaqat]

Yeh toh match nhi hua tha

 

[Hasan123]

Why is no credit can be given to the Indian bowlers ? I thought they bowled really well and did their homework on Warner. His timing was really off. He did try to take the game deep but in the end the run chase pressure got to him.


I don't see any conspiracy here.

 

[jnaveen1980]

the first bowl was a gift.

Same way Pandya's first ball was a gift. Not a threatening ball by any means. For some reason he went to defend. Besides KL Rahul's T20 strike rate is 145. He can smash bowlers as well. Infact against pace bowlers he can be more dangerous than Pandya.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Why is no credit can be given to the Indian bowlers ? I thought they bowled really well and did their homework on Warner. His timing was really off. He did try to take the game deep but in the end the run chase pressure got to him.


I don't see any conspiracy here.

They have been doing planning against each batsmen. One of the best execution in the last 12 months was how Indians bowled against Finch. He averaged 18 across different formats in 18 odd innings.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...an;template=results;type=batting;view=innings

They identified his weakness against incoming ball. Bhuvi took him out 5 out of 9 times cheaply 3 times bowled. once leg before

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...late=results;type=batting;view=bowler_summary