Australia vs India : Australia's bizarre run-chase leaves a lot of questions to be answered

[gazza619]

yet Carey managed to score 50 off 20 bowls.

Maxwell timed his first bowl but warner didnt even time one.

I really have no issue if a batsman cant time the ball. They are all humans after all.

The problem I saw was the lack of intent. Watched highlightes today again with special focus on Warner. I paused my tv as the spinners bowled to Warner. There was no spin, some balls were way over-pitched but Warner had no intent to hit them most of the time or even take a single.

 

[jnaveen1980]

It was clear to see . Cant believe claims of fixing are being made.

PP thinks it's easy to just hit every ball for 6 .

The word 'intent' is being thrown around. It is a grossly misused word to suit our non-existent theories. You could nitpick any batsman against any team. If you look at Rohit Sharma's innings often times you will see him at 9 runs in 30 balls, 10 runs in 35 balls. He won't show any intent. Doesn't mean he has some ulterior motives. Dhoni never shows intent until 45th over. HE is back after ban. He struggled in warm up games, game against Afghanistan, game against India. Warner is no Dhoni to play slow when the total is low. If anything he goes harder when the total is low. He faced 57 dot balls against Afghanistan. That is almost 10 full overs.

 

[Gilly]

I really have no issue if a batsman cant time the ball. They are all humans after all.

The problem I saw was the lack of intent. Watched highlightes today again with special focus on Warner. I paused my tv as the spinners bowled to Warner. There was no spin, some balls were way over-pitched but Warner had no intent to hit them most of the time or even take a single.

Warner showed immense intent, his intent was to make sure that Australia had wickets in the shed for the back half of the chase.

He had no intent to win the match in 35 overs, he had no intent to throw his wicket away.

He didnt play how you wanted him to play, but you have no idea what his intent was.

 

[zulfiqar]

It was a horrible, indefensible innings from Warner. Pakistani fans are used to seeing innings like that when players are "playing to keep their spot" but it was completely unexpected from an Australian in a WC scenario - where surely the needs of the team have to come first.

Anyway, I hope he doesn't see his own replay and/or his teammates tell him he's doing nothing wrong, because if he decides to rectify his massive error against Pakistan we could be screwed!

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

Warner showed immense intent, his intent was to make sure that Australia had wickets in the shed for the back half of the chase.

He had no intent to win the match in 35 overs, he had no intent to throw his wicket away.

He didnt play how you wanted him to play, but you have no idea what his intent was.

Geez. His innings sucked. He very well could be the reason Aus lost. Was freaking terrible.

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

Another 30 runs from warner might have seen the aussies thru btw. just saying,.

He was awful.

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

you're chasing 350, not 250. What a joke how he was so often striking at 50. Man we bash our boy but even he isn't that bad.

 

[Titan24]

Warner showed immense intent, his intent was to make sure that Australia had wickets in the shed for the back half of the chase.

He had no intent to win the match in 35 overs, he had no intent to throw his wicket away.

He didnt play how you wanted him to play, but you have no idea what his intent was.

Even if he would have played with SR of 100 he couldnt have won the game in 35 overs but nobody would have raised questions regarding his approach. Playing 80 odd balls for 50 odd runs with SR of 66, there wouldnt have been any back half of the chase at all if he would have continued with that approach. Aus was chasing 350 odd not 200.

He had no intent to win the match in 35 overs, he had no intent to throw his wicket away.

Just look at the way he got out, why did he play that shot after getting set if he was aiming to stay till the end, saving his wicket and finishing the match somehow.

 

[gazza619]

Warner showed immense intent, his intent was to make sure that Australia had wickets in the shed for the back half of the chase.

He had no intent to win the match in 35 overs, he had no intent to throw his wicket away.

He didnt play how you wanted him to play, but you have no idea what his intent was.

The strategy would have made more sense if Australia had a long tail. Heck they bat all the way down to number 11. Cummins, Starc and Zampa can all hold a bat.

Warner’s poor knock ensured that Carey and Maxwell were kept away till the very end.

I still dont understand what intent you say in his 84 ball 56. It wasnt like as if Australia were 10/3. They had a opening partnership of 60 odd.

It was an absolute road!

 

[KyoOne]

Cricket becoming more like WWE. Sad really

 

[BaankeJi]

Warner was not allowed to bat freely. His own form in this wc hasn't been that great . Just accept the fact that Indian bowlers outthought him. Against Pakistan, it will be another story though since their bowlers can't make/execute a plan.

 

[Captain caveman]

No, I’m saying that in England and Australia this World Cup is viewed as the curtain-raiser for The Ashes.

The ultimate example is James Pattinson. He’d be very useful as an all-round force, but Australia has clearly decided to save him for The Ashes.

I think everybody knows that the 2015 and 2019 World Cups have been designed to order to ensure that India goes as far as possible.

No grass on the pitches, no seam in the ball, huge bats and small boundaries. Bowlers only get wickets against slogging: the skill of seam and swing bowling has been completely removed from the equation.

That’s fine, but it really only appeals to people of south Asian ethnicity. Nobody else takes it seriously.

Apart from the ashes, cricket it seems is just a subcontinent sport.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Another 30 runs from warner might have seen the aussies thru btw. just saying,.

He was awful.

You could say the same about any failed chase. If only had XXX scored this many runs they would have won. England was well on course to a win when root threw his wicket away. Even after that All Moeen had to do was score 20 ball 30 that too against Shadab. What did he do ended up making 19 runs. Made a great chase turn into a dud chase. He put pressure on Buttler and he got out. Woakes and Wood scored quicker than him. May be they should come ahead of him they would have won it.

 

[James]

Warner showed immense intent, his intent was to make sure that Australia had wickets in the shed for the back half of the chase.

He had no intent to win the match in 35 overs, he had no intent to throw his wicket away.

He didnt play how you wanted him to play, but you have no idea what his intent was.

I disagree, thought he got his strategy wrong and played a disappointing innings.

 

[Gilly]

I disagree, thought he got his strategy wrong and played a disappointing innings.

What do you disagree with James?.

 

[MP2011]

Its futile to explain it to people for whom this game was fishy! They won't budge from their positions. How could Indian bowlers bowl well? Somebody posted stats that Indian bowlers are best in business for last year or so. Those stats are wrong too.

 

[MP2011]

Another 30 runs from warner might have seen the aussies thru btw. just saying,.

He was awful.

lol, its that easy you know! That's why there have been so many chases of 350-odd in WCs....

Warners & Smith should've been coached by residents of this forum and all would've been well.

 

[MP2011]

It was an absolute road!

It wasn't. Dhawan, he scored the most runs in that game, told reporters that it wasn't an easy pitch to bat on, it was a 2 paced track with ball not coming onto the bat properly. And those who saw each and every delivery of that game LIVE, will allude to this fact.

Of course, that is all incorrect if you know more about that pitch than Dhawan!

 

[MenInG]

Some posters forgetting that posting on pp is a privilege and not a right.

Any more posts from anyone criticizing PP/posters/policies and you will be banned.

Any issues go to MRR forum and complain there.

Read this again.

 

[RamLakhan]

Australia batted as well as they were allowed to. To cast aspersions on their integrity is well, very harsh. I've no doubt in my mind that had the bowling team been some other team, then we won't have seen this thread at all.

The reason why 350+ was posted in the first place on this pitch was because of Indian Top-Order (not because the pitch was super-flat as some claim wherein Pakistan or Afghanistan would have scored 400+ easily with closed eyes and batting with wrong-hands!) The reason why Australia came close to the target was because of the integrity of their team and their fighting-skills through their history! You cannot equate each match with the other... the teams, the conditions all are different! The team composition, the morale... There are just too many parameters!

 

[MP2011]

You cannot equate each match with the other... the teams, the conditions all are different! The team composition, the morale... There are just too many parameters!

No wonder cricket is the most complex sport to play and follow....

 

[LongHorn]

Its not about the strike rate, its about the fact he batted for 75+ balls at such a low SR

If he was out after 10 from 20 or 23 from 39 he would not have faced the criticism he is facing after playing close to 13 overs of the innings

 

[RamLakhan]

No wonder cricket is the most complex sport to play and follow....

That's why not many teams in the world play it Instead of getting disheartened or develop inferiority complex about it (with some people laughing that WC Cricket is played with 10 to 16 teams from selected colonies!) we should be proud that we are playing a tough complex sport and doing well in that! The other sports might be too easy, just run to a target, just hit a ball to a cage, just jump to a height/length, etc! That's why I like cricket so much... the other sport according to me which comes close to these skills is Tennis and that's the next I follow the most (Chess, etc, don't involve any physical challenges though are even tough in mind!)

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

lol, its that easy you know! That's why there have been so many chases of 350-odd in WCs....

Warners & Smith should've been coached by residents of this forum and all would've been well.

I'm talking about his strike rate.

 

[Itachi]

This thread, the longer it stays ... More it will fuel the ppers to create noise about fixing and other conspiracy.

 

[Kroll]

I wouldn't say it was the Aussie run chase per se, more like the Warner approach which was baffling. Shame that Finch got out when he did as he was looking very good up to that point.

 

[Technics 1210]

I do not understand why Indians are getting uppity about this thread. Remember the infamous Mohali Tuk Tuk innings? We were all happy to rip Misbah then in all its glory, but now its Australia/Warner, Indians are getting upset about it because it takes the shine off their Aussie B-team beating glory.

 

[James]

What do you disagree with James?.

That he showed immense intent.

I saw very little intent of any description.

 

[Itachi]

That he showed immense intent.

I saw very little intent of any description.

Intent and practical execution could be two different aspects.

 

[wrongun]

“If you look at (India), they were 0/40 after 10. We were 48 after 10. Even at the 38-over mark we still had the same amount of runs.

- Justin Langer, Oz coach.

Are facts relevant here? Or just insinuations without foundation?

 

[jnaveen1980]

Its not about the strike rate, its about the fact he batted for 75+ balls at such a low SR

If he was out after 10 from 20 or 23 from 39 he would not have faced the criticism he is facing after playing close to 13 overs of the innings

Criticize him. But don't try to make it sound like a member of world cup defenders deliberately playing that way. When BD plays (every single one ) that way that is to protect NRR. When West Indies plays reckless shots it is "brainfade". When Moeen Ali plays a test match while chasing 348 that is "out of form". But When Warner does there must be something fishy. Just give it up already lol.

 

[MP2011]

- Justin Langer, Oz coach.

Are facts relevant here?

No, they are not.

 

[MP2011]

Indians are getting upset about it because it takes the shine off their Aussie B-team beating glory.

B-team? Now this a new one. Keep these gems coming....

 

[CricketIsAwesome]

Couldn't agree more with the OP. He is spot on in his analysis and a genius

The Ind-Aus game is an almost identical repetition of the Pak-Eng match where England gave a pass to Pakistan and under-chased playing silly, poor cricket so Pakistan could win. They also gave Pakistan batsman a pass by fielding poorly letting 1's converted to 2's and 2's to 4's and occasionally tossing half volley's that could be hit for a boundry.

However in that match, England deliberately lost by a closer margin so as to lend credibility to Pakistan's win otherwise who would believe that a team that just made 105 runs against the Windies would be able to amass an almost 350 score

 

[MenInG]

Couldn't agree more with the OP. He is spot on in his analysis and a genius

The Ind-Aus game is an almost identical repetition of the Pak-Eng match where England gave a pass to Pakistan and under-chased playing silly, poor cricket so Pakistan could win. They also gave Pakistan batsman a pass by fielding poorly letting 1's converted to 2's and 2's to 4's and occasionally tossing half volley's that could be hit for a boundry.

However in that match, England deliberately lost by a closer margin so as to lend credibility to Pakistan's win otherwise who would believe that a team that just made 105 runs against the Windies would be able to amass an almost 350 score

There is sarcasm hidden in this post, I am sure

 

[Nikhil_cric]

He's just finding his range now. Our bowling didn't give him enough loose stuff to punish . Lol at posters who are comparing one of the most dangerous openers ever to tuk tuk ul Hack. Misbah could never have won that Mohali match even peak form and with 200% intent. The only reason he looked decent was because the other batsmen in the lineup were Kami, Umar, a past it YK and Asad she.

 

[RamLakhan]

Let's hope Australia don't cross 300 in today's match and Warner's SR remains below 70. Otherwise this thread will get even more mileage! (Indian and Pakistani bowlers are insignificant parameters here!)

Also Warner should not get out soon, should play for at least 50 balls, e.g., 22(60) to properly justify! (Look at the complexity of the problem!) Then Pakistani bowlers may get more appreciation, but at least this match would get out of scrutiny!

 

[RamLakhan]

Thank God Pakistan won the Toss today! But Warner suddenly finding his feet (that too against mighty Pakistani bowlers on such a non-flat pitch) does look suspicious!

Such threads will only be filled with full of such blame-games and conspiracies!

 

[Napa]

Australia first 6 overs against Pakistan:

Amir/Hasan 1 run per over for 4 overs
Afridi 12 runs per over for 2 overs

The reason Warner and other Australian batsmen scored slowly against Indian bowling should not be a mystery. They score slowly against good bowling!

 

[jnaveen1980]

Slater clarified upfront and gave slap on all the "doubters"

 

[RamLakhan]

Australia first 6 overs against Pakistan:

Amir/Hasan 1 run per over for 4 overs
Afridi 12 runs per over for 2 overs

The reason Warner and other Australian batsmen scored slowly against Indian bowling should not be a mystery. They score slowly against good bowling!

Indian bowlers are supposed to not bowl good anytime! Also this pitch is supposed to be sportive and the Indian one was super-super-flat (otherwise how can Indian FTBs score 350? Afghans could score 400 on that!) But if this pitch is not flat then it contradicts and makes Pakistan bowlers inferior (the way the Aussies are batting)! I am confused what to say! The thread-creator should clarify! Looks like everything is scripted!

 

[Mp812]

Yes ofcourse the great James Pattinson with the the unbelievable out of the world experience of 15 odi's where managed to average 10 with the bat and 42 with the ball, every team clearly needs someone who can do that, i mean those are some serious quality nos had he been selected i am sure he would be like imran khan, andrew flintoff all rolled into one because his nos are sooooo gooood.

Absolutely agree with your bats part.The world cup has special bats made which no else uses in any other bilaterals or series, not to mention the pitches in england are so different for the world cup that they usually are, i mean its not as if in last 3 years, england at home have scored less than 300 in only 1 innings where they batted for 50 overs. Clearly the pitches were different before worldcup.

Get a life buddy, so much hate isn't good for health.

Australia first 6 overs against Pakistan:

Amir/Hasan 1 run per over for 4 overs
Afridi 12 runs per over for 2 overs

The reason Warner and other Australian batsmen scored slowly against Indian bowling should not be a mystery. They score slowly against good bowling!

Indian bowlers bowled well and with a plan. They bowled better than Pakistan? Hmmm is that even possible

 

[pillionrider]

Oh boy. Pak with their bowling and catching have given this thread some .

 

[MenInG]

problem is that when Pakistan dont perform, its because they are genuinely bad!

 

[Revolution]

This world Cup format is for bigger and best teams.

Lower order teams can upset one or two teams but cannot win against all.

 

[RamLakhan]

So what has Imam did today compared to Warner? Is it suspicious or lack of abilities