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One more down , like I have been saying ...except for AB no one in the SA linup has the ability to pick singles .
 
Amla bhai's one paced batting and inability to change gears hurts South Africa in such situations. This is why I consider his SR to be very misleading. Strikes at 90 but pretty useless when you need 7-8 RPO.
 
Mamoon said:
Amla bhai's one paced batting and inability to change gears hurts South Africa in such situations. This is why I consider his SR to be very misleading. Strikes at 90 but pretty useless when you need 7-8 RPO.
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What a joke of a comment.
He always play with 90+ strike rate and others play around him. He keeps one end occupied. Rotates strike. Hits the odd boundary. And others slog when need be.
 
Saqib Yousuf Yatoo said:
What a joke of a comment.
He always play with 90+ strike rate and others play around him. He keeps one end occupied. Rotates strike. Hits the odd boundary. And others slog when need be.
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He is always banking on someone else to grab the game by the scruff of its neck and provide the killer blow. Unless de Villiers plays a blinder here, SA can't win this game even if Amla bhai bats for 50 overs.

This is why I rate him an inferior ODI batsman to Kohli, Dhoni and de Villiers. They are much more dominating and lethal.
 
Mamoon said:
Amla bhai's one paced batting and inability to change gears hurts South Africa in such situations. This is why I consider his SR to be very misleading. Strikes at 90 but pretty useless when you need 7-8 RPO.
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AMLA does not have big shots, he like to play down the ground all the time. That's why he is not very useful after 35 overs.

Younis is also like that no matter how good he is playing, as soon as he has to accelerate, he will give up wicket. You will see that in WC, but he is not as good as AMLA is at the beginning, so we are doubly screwed.

AB is from a different planet, he can play 5th day of test all day, can face red hot Johnson in test, at the same time can slog better than best in the world.


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Mamoon said:
He is always banking on someone else to grab the game by the scruff of its neck and provide the killer blow. Unless de Villiers plays a blinder here, SA can't win this game even if Amla bhai bats for 50 overs.

This is why I rate him an inferior ODI batsman to Kohli, Dhoni and de Villiers. They are much more dominating and lethal.
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So being among top 4 is inferior???
Okay say top 10.

So that is bad?
 
Saqib Yousuf Yatoo said:
So being among top 4 is inferior???
Okay say top 10.

So that is bad?
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I dont think thats an issue . But some here have argued that hes the best ODI bat purely based on stats . Which is rediculous .

All openers have inflated stats , both SR and avg thanks to the field restrictions .
 
Lol at Amla haters.

Can't believe world's 2nd best batsman (after ABD) can get this hatred. Too many jealous cricket followers :moyo
 
yasir said:
AMLA does not have big shots, he like to play down the ground all the time. That's why he is not very useful after 35 overs.

Younis is also like that no matter how good he is playing, as soon as he has to accelerate, he will give up wicket. You will see that in WC, but he is not as good as AMLA is at the beginning, so we are doubly screwed.

AB is from a different planet, he can play 5th day of test all day, can face red hot Johnson in test, at the same time can slog better than best in the world.


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Yep agreed.

Amla milks the bowlers better than anyone but he lacks power game.
 
ABD is the best batsmen across all formats.
Kohli second best in Odi.
Amla second best in tests

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Amla keeps rollin, haters keep hating and it's fun to watch them burn :))) :)))
 
I smell a repeat of the 2nd ODI between Pakistan and South Africa in 2013 if de Villiers gets out. :moin
 
The more time Amla bhai spends at the crease, the better for Australia.
 
Hawkeye said:
Amla keeps rollin, haters keep hating and it's fun to watch them burn :))) :)))
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And if he gets out slogging they will blame him for not playing his anchor role as senior because he is the only one who can play this role in current 11 there is no kallis or smith. haters will always hate no matter what
 
World Cup quarter final, semi final or final - 8/10 times, Kohli and Dhoni will outshine de Villiers.

Even in T20s which is not Kohli's game and bread and butter for de Villiers, who rose to the occasion in the last World T20? :baelish
 
Strike Rate said:
And if he gets out slogging they will blame him for not playing his anchor role as senior because he is the only one who can play this role in current 11 there is no kallis or smith. haters will always hate no matter what
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Only Mamoon don't like him and it's for non-cricketing reasons like his beard.

Others hating on him are just following Mamoon cuz he says Amla isn't good enough :P
 
Kohlis chasing ability is supernatural ..12 centuries in successful chasing. Thats saying something.
 
Amla bhai plays the anchor role because he's not good enough to be dominant.
 
The role of Anchors have changed in last 10 years . No team can afford players who are so one dimensional . A lot of explosive batsmen drop anchor when required .

What will happen to Amla when AB runs out of form ?
 
Hawkeye said:
Only Mamoon don't like him and it's for non-cricketing reasons like his beard.

Others hating on him are just following Mamoon cuz he says Amla isn't good enough :P
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MoYo is my favorite Pakistani batsman and he has a beard. :baelish
 
jusarrived said:
The role of Anchors have changed in last 10 years . No team can afford players who are so one dimensional . A lot of explosive batsmen drop anchor when required .

What will happen to Amla when AB runs out of form ?
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So Millers De Kock and other are there just to depend on Amla and AB? Do indian team only depends on dhoni and kohli?
 
Misbah is much more useful in such a situation than Amla bhai.
 
Mamoon said:
World Cup quarter final, semi final or final - 8/10 times, Kohli and Dhoni will outshine de Villiers.

Even in T20s which is not Kohli's game and bread and butter for de Villiers, who rose to the occasion in the last World T20? :baelish
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Big thing for Kholi and Dhoni that they are in same team. Let's see if they have same magic in AUS, I have my doubts they will be as comfortable in bounce, three knock out games!!

SA is too dependent on AB to finish. Plus they under perform under pressure, where as AUS over perform under pressure. So AUS is still favorite for WC.


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yasir said:
Big thing for Kholi and Dhoni that they are in same team. Let's see if they have same magic in AUS, I have my doubts they will be as comfortable in bounce, three knock out games!!

SA is too dependent on AB to finish. Plus they under perform under pressure, where as AUS over perform under pressure. So AUS is still favorite for WC.


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The pitches look super flat. Gotta back India in a batting-heavy tournament.

South Africa have a great chance too with de Villiers in brilliant form but you can't bank on them in knockouts but lets not take their choking for granted either.

The monkey will be off their back eventually.
 
Strike Rate said:
So Millers De Kock and other are there just to depend on Amla and AB? Do indian team only depends on dhoni and kohli?
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SA depends entirely on AB . if SA has to chase a big total , he has to play an extraordinary knock ..thats a lot of pressure on him
India does depend a lot on Dhoni and Virat , but no where close to that extent . Likes of Raina , Rohit and Raina can win us matches on their won to but not as consistent as Virat and Dhoni .
 
yasir said:
Big thing for Kholi and Dhoni that they are in same team. Let's see if they have same magic in AUS, I have my doubts they will be as comfortable in bounce, three knock out games!!

SA is too dependent on AB to finish. Plus they under perform under pressure, where as AUS over perform under pressure. So AUS is still favorite for WC.


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offcourse the conditions will hamper us , but having a long series before the WC should help our batsmen big time . I agree Aus are easy favs for the WC
 
jusarrived said:
SA depends entirely on AB . if SA has to chase a big total , he has to play an extraordinary knock ..thats a lot of pressure on him
India does depend a lot on Dhoni and Virat , but no where close to that extent . Likes of Raina , Rohit and Raina can win us matches on their won to but not as consistent as Virat and Dhoni .
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All you mentioned are mediocre overseas barring Kohli even he can't do much in such conditions. Don't mention Dhoni, he's again toothless and we all know about Rohit. NZ can whitewash this team.
 
Mamoon said:
The pitches look super flat. Gotta back India in a batting-heavy tournament.

South Africa have a great chance too with de Villiers in brilliant form but you can't bank on them in knockouts but lets not take their choking for granted either.

The monkey will be off their back eventually.
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Wickets are flat but they are bouncy flat not low and slow flat. There is a difference, IND would find it hard to chase 330 on bouncy flat.

I still think SA has better chance than Asian teams in knock out stage.


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Mamoon said:
de Villiers aur Kohli/Dhoni me farq saaf zaahir hai. :moin
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Indeed. ABD can win you matches everywhere and performs eveywhere.

The other are only SC track bullies. Forgot the whitewash in NZ and performances in SA? :D
 
yasir said:
Wickets are flat but they are bouncy flat not low and slow flat. There is a difference, IND would find it hard to chase 330 on bouncy flat.

I still think SA has better chance than Asian teams in knock out stage.


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Only against AUS and SA though, they would still make mince meat of other teams who don't have pacers who can bowl at 90 mph.
 
Hawkeye said:
Indeed. ABD can win you matches everywhere and performs eveywhere.

The other are only SC track bullies. Forgot the whitewash in NZ and performances in SA? :D
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de Villiers can win you a daddu only when the pressure is on. :moin

'Can' but 'does not'.
 
Hawkeye said:
All you mentioned are mediocre overseas barring Kohli even he can't do much in such conditions. Don't mention Dhoni, he's again toothless and we all know about Rohit. NZ can whitewash this team.
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We will see in the WC sir .
The SA batsmen have an advantage having played in bouncier and green pitches all though . They grow up on such pitches .So its no big deal if they find batting in Aus easy.
The Learning curve for SC batsmen is steep , so a short series is always difficult for us .. in SA we played 2 ODIs ?
The WC will be different , having played for a while in Aus .
Anyway I home - away matters very little in LOIs .
 
Mamoon said:
Only against AUS and SA though, they would still make mince meat of other teams who don't have pacers who can bowl at 90 mph.
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Against India most teams will play four seamers, even team like ENG/WI will give them tough time with their seam attack. If WI are wise they would bring 3 90 mph seamers, which they have. English seamers are better at bowling on fast wickets ( they get their length right better than they do on slow wickets)... Indian batsmen don't like extra bounce, they cannot play on front foot as freely, 8+ would be hard for them to chase in these conditions, out of jail spinners will not be their for them ;-)

Form of a particular team depends in the tournament would be enough to bat India... If they have to chase 300+ all the time, well tournament will cut short for them... We saw what happen in NZ.

My worry for Pakistan is that we don't have fourth seamer, Razaq or Azhar like guy to have a good show on bounce. Afridi and Hafeez both are one too many in AUS, you got have well rounded seam attack to have a chance...


Let's see how India play in the tour first. If both Johnson and Haris play, they may have few casualties before the WC...


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AMLA has being disappointing, that reminds me of tendulkar who used to take so much time in late 30s or early 40s over for 100, that he looses plot of match, end up loosing the match.

But difference between AMLA and Tendulkar is that AMLA does not even have shots to accelerate that was not the case with tendulkar, he appeared selfish.

Good think for India now is that Kholi and Dhoni don't do that any more.


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Farhan and Miller are dead weight for SA, surely they have better in the domestics.
 
Amla was 58 off 58 and ended with 102 off 115. Chasing 330, you would generally see an improvement in strike rate as the inning lengthens.
 
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