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Australian cricketers are no longer friends, says Virat Kohli

I think there must be a debate on what is acceptable as a sledge. Is an insult to parents, or an abuse to mom/sister acceptable, and a comment on religion/race isn't? Who gets to decide when the sensibilities vary across cultures? I think these lumpen louts should go and play another sport where uncouth behaviour is tolerated, and leave the gentleman's game alone.
 
Steve Smith pretty much apologized because he didn't want to get boeed at every stadium, but gonna get it properly at Bangalore and also have a healthy relationship with Indian counterparts in the IPL

On the other hand, Virat will enjoy if he gets good stick from the crowd, he will give it back properly then and there :D

Virat might melt like butter again like he did this series.

No coincidence that it took Rahane to lead India to victory.
 
Kohli can certainly expect a hostile reception

I'm not sure that Kohli will face a hostile reaction in Australia.

My Aussie friends and colleagues don't hate India or Kohli. They are completely indifferent to this team. To them, the big rivalry is England, with South Africa second and actually in recent years New Zealand third.

India no more enters their consciousness as a cricket rival than Pakistan or Sri Lanka.
 
Give them a set of handbags. This "rivalry" seems based not on any cricketing or historical grounds like the Ashes or India-Pakistan, or a regional rivalry like Australia-New Zealand, but on the basis of obnoxious verbal abuse and pathetic on-field behaviour which the media have stoked up no end.

Can we not move on and talk about the cricket ?
 
May be u r new to cricket. The ind aus series in 2001,2003,2004,2007 etc are intensely fought and add to that some controversies u have a serious rivalry
 
Give them a set of handbags. This "rivalry" seems based not on any cricketing or historical grounds like the Ashes or India-Pakistan, or a regional rivalry like Australia-New Zealand, but on the basis of obnoxious verbal abuse and pathetic on-field behaviour which the media have stoked up no end.

Can we not move on and talk about the cricket ?

India Australia rivalry, although not equally reciprocated from both sides, is far better than India Pakistan rivalry, where a battle of religious, cultural and racial supremacy is played out on the cricket field.
 
Give them a set of handbags. This "rivalry" seems based not on any cricketing or historical grounds like the Ashes or India-Pakistan, or a regional rivalry like Australia-New Zealand, but on the basis of obnoxious verbal abuse and pathetic on-field behaviour which the media have stoked up no end.

Can we not move on and talk about the cricket ?

I've tried hard enough.

I've pointed out that after India ambushed themselves with a First Test result wicket they bowled Australia out for less than 140 in 2 Tests and scored more than 600 themselves in the other.

But the problem is that the Indian fans seem to be desperate to invent a non-existent rivalry with Australia instead of accepting our genuine congratulations upon a well-won series victory.

Some of us are trying really hard to congratulate India.
 
Nah. Junaids.

There is genuine mutual dislike between Australian an Indian cricket on field and with the fans.
 
Definitely true what u said. It is mutual and not onesided
Ashes definetely have more hype and tradition and get the whole country going (like how everyone watches the soccer world cup) but there is undeniably a pretty deep, mutual rivalry between Australia and India in cricket.
 
May be u r new to cricket. The ind aus series in 2001,2003,2004,2007 etc are intensely fought and add to that some controversies u have a serious rivalry

If an "intensely fought series" is what qualifies as a rivalry then Australia-South Africa would be the biggest rivalry in cricket given their recent history of close series. But of course, its not.

You talk about the on-field incidents, but if any two sides play with as much regularity as these two teams then controversies are inevitable. If controversies make a rivalry then England-Pakistan would be the biggest rivalry going but its not, and you don't see many fans on either sides trying to manufacture one.

What is the historical context of this rivalry that's comparable with the Ashes ? Many Indian fans seemingly convinced themselves this is their biggest rivalry, which they're entitled to do so. But beyond the core cricket fans, do casual cricket fans in Australia tune in to watch this series to the same extent as the Ashes ? Is there a cultural, geographical or political context shaping the rivalry as Ind-Pak ?

I'm not doubting the combativeness in this series, but it seems like some are trying too hard to manufacture a rivalry, especially those in the media. Many impartial observers meanwhile are amazed at some of the petulantic schoolboy antics, especially from one captain who seems to have an extremely thin skin.
 
I'm sorry but, that is so childish and embarrassing.

Sports culture should end in the field.

Such idiocy from both sides.
 
If an "intensely fought series" is what qualifies as a rivalry then Australia-South Africa would be the biggest rivalry in cricket given their recent history of close series. But of course, its not.

You talk about the on-field incidents, but if any two sides play with as much regularity as these two teams then controversies are inevitable. If controversies make a rivalry then England-Pakistan would be the biggest rivalry going but its not, and you don't see many fans on either sides trying to manufacture one.

What is the historical context of this rivalry that's comparable with the Ashes ? Many Indian fans seemingly convinced themselves this is their biggest rivalry, which they're entitled to do so. But beyond the core cricket fans, do casual cricket fans in Australia tune in to watch this series to the same extent as the Ashes ? Is there a cultural, geographical or political context shaping the rivalry as Ind-Pak ?

I'm not doubting the combativeness in this series, but it seems like some are trying too hard to manufacture a rivalry, especially those in the media. Many impartial observers meanwhile are amazed at some of the petulantic schoolboy antics, especially from one captain who seems to have an extremely thin skin.

In what way is sa aus a rivalry according to u as it doesn't qualify to any of the parameters u mentioned?
 
I'm not sure that Kohli will face a hostile reaction in Australia.

My Aussie friends and colleagues don't hate India or Kohli. They are completely indifferent to this team. To them, the big rivalry is England, with South Africa second and actually in recent years New Zealand third.

India no more enters their consciousness as a cricket rival than Pakistan or Sri Lanka.

Bud your Aussie Friends / Colleagues / Neighbourhood doesn't necesarily represent the whole Australia . You aren't an aussie yourself so to speak on their behalf just because you might be living there isn't the case. You tend to put down India vs Australia rivalry/competition quite a bit
 
kohli is no doubt a brilliant player but in desperation to be aggressive he comes across as an absolute tool. The Lloyd/Viv Richards teams were more aggressive than anyone but they never said a word.
 
If an "intensely fought series" is what qualifies as a rivalry then Australia-South Africa would be the biggest rivalry in cricket given their recent history of close series. But of course, its not.

You talk about the on-field incidents, but if any two sides play with as much regularity as these two teams then controversies are inevitable. If controversies make a rivalry then England-Pakistan would be the biggest rivalry going but its not, and you don't see many fans on either sides trying to manufacture one.

What is the historical context of this rivalry that's comparable with the Ashes ? Many Indian fans seemingly convinced themselves this is their biggest rivalry, which they're entitled to do so. But beyond the core cricket fans, do casual cricket fans in Australia tune in to watch this series to the same extent as the Ashes ? Is there a cultural, geographical or political context shaping the rivalry as Ind-Pak ?

I'm not doubting the combativeness in this series, but it seems like some are trying too hard to manufacture a rivalry, especially those in the media. Many impartial observers meanwhile are amazed at some of the petulantic schoolboy antics, especially from one captain who seems to have an extremely thin skin.

India Australia rivalry is sports driven. Beyond beating each other in cricket, fans on neither side care about what the other country is doing.

India Pakistan rivalry is politically and historically driven, and sports is just an extension of their bitter and ugly battle. India Australia rivalry is cleaner.

I prefer the former and want all rivalries to be sporting ones, instead of the cheap and ugly enmity which exists between India and Pakistan. If you prefer the other one, that is your choice.
 
India Australia rivalry is sports driven. Beyond beating each other in cricket, fans on neither side care about what the other country is doing.

India Pakistan rivalry is politically and historically driven, and sports is just an extension of their bitter and ugly battle. India Australia rivalry is cleaner.

I prefer the former and want all rivalries to be sporting ones, instead of the cheap and ugly enmity which exists between India and Pakistan. If you prefer the other one, that is your choice.

Absolutely.
 
Kohli might be over extending this conflict .... no need for that since enough has transpired already !!!! I have noticed one thing though, about the Australian Fast bowlers that is very unethical ..... I think. After every ball they have a snarky look at the Batsman and say something .... as if to tell the Batsman that " he lucky enough to be Not Out " or some such thing they imply. Why can't the Umpire stop this ???? Don't they know it is happening after almost every ball by just about every Fast bowlers ????? This sort of a thing only fuels the fire between the Teams. I can understand an occasional remark when something of substance does happen .... but not after EVERY Ball.
 
So I just read the whole story.. Smith wanted to have a drink with Indian team and Kohli declined??? That's pretty classless and embarrassing!!!

And all the former Aussie players like Waugh have always been generous regarding their comments on Kohli in the past and now this?

You never deny the act of friendship and now that the series is over, it was a perfect time to move on. Kohli I reckon must be very insecure as a person. His recent on-field failures have gotten better of him.
 
So I just read the whole story.. Smith wanted to have a drink with Indian team and Kohli declined??? That's pretty classless and embarrassing!!!

And all the former Aussie players like Waugh have always been generous regarding their comments on Kohli in the past and now this?

You never deny the act of friendship and now that the series is over, it was a perfect time to move on. Kohli I reckon must be very insecure as a person. His recent on-field failures have gotten better of him.

Why is it classless?Aussies cant dictate the rules of engagement. They cant say we will abuse you on the field and then have a drink with you later. Thats for the other person to decide. In past Steyn ABDV also has said similar things.

Kohli is anything but insecure.

Aussies can keep their culture and rules for themselves.They want to sledge and abuse on the field, well they will get it back.
 
I really respected Kohli after he'd changed his attitude and was respectful of everyone but he really comes off as a disgrace to the classy game with his attitude. He doesn't need to go overboard. Its a game. You win some, you lose some. At the end of the day, you move on and end the match on a good note with a drink.

He's like a little kid and sounds stupid himself saying "I don't want to be your friend. You hurt my feelings! Gonna tell my mommy." Maybe he'll complain to the BCCI now lol.
 
Why is it classless?Aussies cant dictate the rules of engagement. They cant say we will abuse you on the field and then have a drink with you later. Thats for the other person to decide. In past Steyn ABDV also has said similar things.

Kohli is anything but insecure.

Aussies can keep their culture and rules for themselves.They want to sledge and abuse on the field, well they will get it back.

When someone extends the hand of friendship, you always accept it and move on. That's the sensible thing to do. And as they say, it's only a game after all.

If you don't wanna be a friend fine but go along as a formality. By insulting other party, you are lowering your own values

Kohli will end up like Miandad in terms of reputation if things continue this way
 
Why is it classless?Aussies cant dictate the rules of engagement. They cant say we will abuse you on the field and then have a drink with you later. Thats for the other person to decide. In past Steyn ABDV also has said similar things.

Kohli is anything but insecure.

Aussies can keep their culture and rules for themselves.They want to sledge and abuse on the field, well they will get it back.

Pretty much this. Leaving things in the field might be an Aussie culture but in India, we don't start stuff but if anybody has a panga with us then it is not something we forget easily. Its a cultural thing and the Aussies can't force us to behave according to their culture.
 
Kohli started the whole thing by saying aussies cheated all the time.. There was no evidence whatsoever for this
 
When someone extends the hand of friendship, you always accept it and move on. That's the sensible thing to do. And as they say, it's only a game after all.

If you don't wanna be a friend fine but go along as a formality. By insulting other party, you are lowering your own values

Kohli will end up like Miandad in terms of reputation if things continue this way


You cannot cheat and then mock people's injury or abuse them cross the line and say ohh its alright.Lets have a drink. Sorry doesnt happen that way.May be the Australian way, but doesnt wash here.

If i dont like someone i wont go out with him to have a drink.
 
Kohli started the whole thing by saying aussies cheated all the time.. There was no evidence whatsoever for this

Can you tell me how many DRS reviews aussies got right before that incident and how many they got right since then?

Australians cheated and they were sore that they got caught and a Subcontinental players said it on their face.
 
Can you tell me how many DRS reviews aussies got right before that incident and how many they got right since then?

Australians cheated and they were sore that they got caught and a Subcontinental players said it on their face.

If they were doing it so openly as Kohli claimed, there should be at least one video evidence out there correct?

Or was it some form of telepathic communication?
 
If they were doing it so openly as Kohli claimed, there should be at least one video evidence out there correct?

Or was it some form of telepathic communication?


So you have access to all the video footage from all the cameras that BCCI used?
 
childish mentality shown by Kohli. what happens on the field stays on there.
 
You cannot cheat and then mock people's injury or abuse them cross the line and say ohh its alright.Lets have a drink. Sorry doesnt happen that way.May be the Australian way, but doesnt wash here.

If i dont like someone i wont go out with him to have a drink.

Exactly. This whole nonsense about "what's said on the field stays on the field" is made up by the Aussies and they think everyone else should just blindly follow their approach. Gavaskar had similar issues with Dennis Lillee and his goons. When Gavaskar was batting, the Aussies would abuse him non-stop bringing his entire family (mother, sister, wife) into the conversation. And then their expectation was to have beer after the days play ended. Gavaskar flatly declined. His point is: if you can't have respect for my mother / sister / wife, I don't want to have anything to do with you. This is exactly the right approach.

Otherwise how is this any different from your co-worker abusing and insulting you non-stop in the office and then expecting to have a drink with him / her at the end of the day in a bar?

Well done Kohli (and Rahane and Gavaskar) in telling the Aussies to get lost.
 
Virat might melt like butter again like he did this series.

No coincidence that it took Rahane to lead India to victory.

If you've been following the same series that I did, it's pretty clear which team melted like a butter.

One team started off strongly and then wheels started coming off when put under pressure (and when their DRS cheating mechanism was taken away). The other team started off poorly, but had the mental fortitude to get themselves together, perform progressively better and eventually win handsomely.

Virat had a poor series, but he's scored 100s in Aus and has nothing to prove.
 
Kohli can certainly expect a hostile reception

And what kind of reception did he get the last time India toured? They wasn't exactly welcomed with garlands, but that didn't stop him from scoring all those 100s.

Aussies are hostile either ways. Might as well give it back to them, then the bullies start cowering / whining endlessly like they're doing. Which is great to watch.
 
Means you dont have access to the footage.

Burden of proof is on the accuser.. Neither Kohli nor BCCI could provide any evidence to prove anything which means the claim was rubbish.

If they had the evidence they would have released it like that did with Jadeja - Wade tape. But they didn't because they couldn't
 
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Burden of proof is on the accuser.. Neither Kohli nor BCCI could provide any evidence to prove anything which means the claim was rubbish.

If they had the evidence they would have released it like that did with Jadeja - Wade tape. But they didn't because they couldn't

So it should be shown to you or the public?

Even after James Sutherland rushed to Mumbai to beg BCCI to not press charges?

Smith cheated...
 
I dont know who is the adult in the room but kohli needs to keep his mouth shut. All this serves no purpose. At the end of day it is only a game and friendship is forever.
 
No charges.

I guess even the BCCI know Kohli's word is worthless.

There were no charges because BCCI did not want to escalate. Proof was on TV and there is ample footage with hands in the cookie jar. Time to move on.
 
There were no charges because BCCI did not want to escalate. Proof was on TV and there is ample footage with hands in the cookie jar. Time to move on.

Proof was on tv yet has nobody has seen any footage of it.

Interesting how no footage of these alleged incidents is available and that the BCCI didn't even want charges pressed on them when they pressed charges on Smith.
 
Proof was on tv yet has nobody has seen any footage of it.

Interesting how no footage of these alleged incidents is available and that the BCCI didn't even want charges pressed on them when they pressed charges on Smith.

If you press charges this brings the enitre Aussie team down. A well planned, pre meditated and well orchestrated effort to affect the outcome of the game. I guess let us just ignore his brain fade comments also. You can be in denial all you want.

You were caught cheating and we decided not to prosecute. Australia as a cricketing nation is very important for India and is a worthy opponent. Even if we would have won in court of law the relationship would be damaged beyond repair. I am glad India did not press it because it would serve no purpose in prosecuting a friendly team. Cooler heads prevailed and this is the best outcome.

Look at your DRS success rate which has plummeted post this incident. Anyone with a chimps IQ can connect the dots and it does not paint a good picture.

Buddy it is time to move on and enjoy some real cricket coming up next month.
 
If you press charges this brings the enitre Aussie team down. A well planned, pre meditated and well orchestrated effort to affect the outcome of the game. I guess let us just ignore his brain fade comments also. You can be in denial all you want.

You were caught cheating and we decided not to prosecute. Australia as a cricketing nation is very important for India and is a worthy opponent. Even if we would have won in court of law the relationship would be damaged beyond repair. I am glad India did not press it because it would serve no purpose in prosecuting a friendly team. Cooler heads prevailed and this is the best outcome.

Look at your DRS success rate which has plummeted post this incident. Anyone with a chimps IQ can connect the dots and it does not paint a good picture.

Buddy it is time to move on and enjoy some real cricket coming up next month.

No you decided no to prosecute because there was no evidence for anything beyond the Smith thing which was dealt with appropriately by the umpires.

Cricket season is over anyway until the tour of Bangladesh.
 
No you decided no to prosecute because there was no evidence for anything beyond the Smith thing which was dealt with appropriately by the umpires.

Cricket season is over anyway until the tour of Bangladesh.

Help me out here, if Smith was looking at the balcony someone had to be responding. Other explation could be he was looking for divine intervention, highly unlikely.

Cricket season maybe over for you but it is starting for us. Thank god this oldman's cricket is done and dusted.
 
No you decided no to prosecute because there was no evidence for anything beyond the Smith thing which was dealt with appropriately by the umpires.

Cricket season is over anyway until the tour of Bangladesh.

After that DRS incident, Australia took 12 reviews and got 1 correct. Prior to that, Australia took 9 reviews and got 4 correct.

Not exactly damning evidence, but something to consider. Combined with Kohli's statement, and the BCCI hushing up matters quickly for whatever reason, something looks amiss.
 
After that DRS incident, Australia took 12 reviews and got 1 correct. Prior to that, Australia took 9 reviews and got 4 correct.

Not exactly damning evidence, but something to consider. Combined with Kohli's statement, and the BCCI hushing up matters quickly for whatever reason, something looks amiss.

Dont give him the facts, his mind is made up.
 
Let me break it down..

THERE IS NO EVIDENCE ANYWHERE OTHER THAN THAT ONE INCIDENT

So unless someone comes up with something concrete, people can move on from conspiracy fantasies.
 
And can you imagine how risky that would be to openly cheat that way? It's not something like ball-tempering that can be done without any camera noticing. I mean cameras record EVERYTHING these days.. So if they are sending down the signals from the dressing room, do you honestly believe it won't be caught??

Common sense?
 
Let me break it down..

THERE IS NO EVIDENCE ANYWHERE OTHER THAN THAT ONE INCIDENT

So unless someone comes up with something concrete, people can move on from conspiracy fantasies.

Why is that one incident not significant enough? The fact that no action was taken and the law was not changed is not setting up a good precent. This means people from the dressing room can signal a batsman to not review, and the only thing that can happen is that the umpire doesn't allow the batsman to review. This means teams will never get a review wrong.

You don't need this to happen 3 times to take some action.

There is no evidence that you are aware of other than that incident. The captain of the Indian test team isn't stupid enough to fabricate occurrences. BCCI isn't stupid enough to file a complaint without evidence and then hush it up in a couple of days.
 
Why is that one incident not significant enough? The fact that no action was taken and the law was not changed is not setting up a good precent. This means people from the dressing room can signal a batsman to not review, and the only thing that can happen is that the umpire doesn't allow the batsman to review. This means teams will never get a review wrong.

You don't need this to happen 3 times to take some action.

There is no evidence that you are aware of other than that incident. The captain of the Indian test team isn't stupid enough to fabricate occurrences. BCCI isn't stupid enough to file a complaint without evidence and then hush it up in a couple of days.

They made a mistake that one time and I never denied that..

But then kohli made a statement that they did it whole day which was rubbish. And that statement started the whole chapter of controversy..
 
Let me break it down..

THERE IS NO EVIDENCE ANYWHERE OTHER THAN THAT ONE INCIDENT

So unless someone comes up with something concrete, people can move on from conspiracy fantasies.

Why was he looking at the balcony? It was going on for sometime. The only reason India withdrew was an act of friendship. Man admits to brain fade. It was well planned but once again some people are not going to accept it.
 
Once again: SHOW ME THE PROOF IT WAS DONE MORE THAN ONCE!

Anyone? No conspiracy theories please
 
Once again: SHOW ME THE PROOF IT WAS DONE MORE THAN ONCE!

Anyone? No conspiracy theories please

No one is going to search for footage that focuses on the team staff after every appeal/decision and look through it. Probably only the teams have access to detailed videos like that (similar to how BCCI released the sledging video/audio footage which was more closeup than shown on TV).
 
The whole team including captain and the coach will be suspended if they are proven guilty about this.. Would any team be willing to take such chance?
 
Kohli started the whole thing by saying aussies cheated all the time.. There was no evidence whatsoever for this

Then explain this .... Why did the Umpire kick Smith off the ground without even giving him a review ???? Until then Kohli had not done anything .... Yet !!! Hmmmm ..... !!! Umpire was most definitely aware of such cheating by the Convicts .... isn't it ??? Hmmmmm ..... !!!
 
No one is going to search for footage that focuses on the team staff after every appeal/decision and look through it. Probably only the teams have access to detailed videos like that (similar to how BCCI released the sledging video/audio footage which was more closeup than shown on TV).

Which means as I correctly assumed you have nothing..
 
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Then explain this .... Why did the Umpire kick Smith off the ground without even giving him a review ???? Until then Kohli had not done anything .... Yet !!! Hmmmm ..... !!! Umpire was most definitely aware of such cheating by the Convicts .... isn't it ??? Hmmmmm ..... !!!

I have no idea what this means..
 
I have no idea what this means..

He is saying that obviously the umpire was aware of what Smith was doing before that incident, since he quickly sent him off. Kohli didn't start anything until that incident, and was completely justified in his comments after.
 
After that DRS incident, Australia took 12 reviews and got 1 correct. Prior to that, Australia took 9 reviews and got 4 correct.

Not exactly damning evidence, but something to consider. Combined with Kohli's statement, and the BCCI hushing up matters quickly for whatever reason, something looks amiss.

Not really?

India were dominating Australia for the series after that.

Teams under pressure are more likely to make desperation reviews.
 
He is saying that obviously the umpire was aware of what Smith was doing before that incident, since he quickly sent him off. Kohli didn't start anything until that incident, and was completely justified in his comments after.

Thanks ..... !!!
 
Which means as I correctly assumed you have nothing..
And you have the footage of the whole match to review, don't you? The CA CEO landing in Mumbai & the official complaint by BCCI being dropped against Smith, coincidence - I don't think so! There's also the possibility that if there was any evidence of systematic gaming of DRS going on by Aussies then CA would like to nip it in the bud, you know like Warne & Waugh? Now don't go on telling us how providing info to bookies, we didn't have a thorough investigation back then either, isn't such a big deal.
 
Lol so now umpire was involved in this :srt

You guys keep reaching new heights in posting tripe.. Okay time to get outta here
 
Then explain this .... Why did the Umpire kick Smith off the ground without even giving him a review ???? Until then Kohli had not done anything .... Yet !!! Hmmmm ..... !!! Umpire was most definitely aware of such cheating by the Convicts .... isn't it ??? Hmmmmm ..... !!!

Because it is illegal for a player's decision to be influenced by anyone other than his partner.

Smith looked at a position where he possible could have gained information from someone else and the umpire acted appropriately.

There is no evidence that this happened more than once. Indeed even when the BCCI wanted to press charges the BCCI did not push this line due to no evidence.
 
And you have the footage of the whole match to review, don't you? The CA CEO landing in Mumbai & the official complaint by BCCI being dropped against Smith, coincidence - I don't think so! There's also the possibility that if there was any evidence of systematic gaming of DRS going on by Aussies then CA would like to nip it in the bud, you know like Warne & Waugh? Now don't go on telling us how providing info to bookies, we didn't have a thorough investigation back then either, isn't such a big deal.

So CA controls the BCCI right?
 
Why do some of the Indian posters drag Pakistan in to this??
I dont have any problems with Indians at all, but if youre so nationalistic and hate Pakistan that much then why dont you go to an Indian forum?. :danish

They're obsessed that's why.

The Indians on social media sites like Facebook are ten times worse.

One of the reasons I am here as Pakistan fans are a lot easier to have a cricket conservation with and have a joke at the same time.

Can't do that with Indian fans as they take it personally and make it personal.
 
Lol so now umpire was involved in this :srt

You guys keep reaching new heights in posting tripe.. Okay time to get outta here

You are misreading the post. I meant that the umpire was informed beforehand of this occurrence which is why he immediately knew what was happening.
 
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