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Avoiding Australia and subcontinent conditions: the keys to India's recent ICC triumphs?

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Deep diving into India's recent wins we notice an interesting pattern: no Australia in finals and no SENA conditions where India typically choke/struggle.

2024 WC - England in SF and South Africa (biggest choker) in F in West Indies
2025 CT - got to play on one ground in UAE - weakened Aus in SF and NZ in F (second biggest choker)
2026 WC - England in SF and NZ in F (second biggest choker) at home

I request this not to be merged because it needs to be pointed out. While India's recent 3 ICC wins seem impressive on paper, if you dig deep it takes the sheen off quite a bit. We have to go back to 2013 for India's last win in SENA and even there the F became a short T20 because of rain. This thread isn't mean to devalue India's achievements - very transparently it is a good achievement to win when things are in your favor. The question remains if India can win ICC trophies in SENA and more importantly beat their nemesis Australia en route?
 
From next icc event let us directly have india and Australia in final lol others can stay home
Point is India have always been ousted by Australia in big moments and finals. Their ICC F wins have come against:

1983 - West Indies (ok credible win)
2002 - SL
2007 - Pak (close win after winning an important toss)
2011 - SL
2013 - England
2024 - SA
2025 - NZ
2026 - NZ

Do you see the one team missing? The team that dumped India out of 2003 F, 2023 WC F and 2023 test championship.
 
Point is India have always been ousted by Australia in big moments and finals. Their ICC F wins have come against:

1983 - West Indies (ok credible win)
2002 - SL
2007 - Pak (close win after winning an important toss)
2011 - SL
2013 - England
2024 - SA
2025 - NZ
2026 - NZ

Do you see the one team missing? The team that dumped India out of 2003 F, 2023 WC F and 2023 test championship.
2007 T20 WC- India beat Australia in Semi final
2011 WC - India beat Australia in Quarter Final
2024 T20 WC - India knocked out Australia
2025 CT- India beat Australia in Semi Final


There are few other matches where India knocked out Australia in group stages 2014 and 2016 T20 world cups
 
2007 T20 WC- India beat Australia in Semi final
2011 WC - India beat Australia in Quarter Final
2024 T20 WC - India knocked out Australia
2025 CT- India beat Australia in Semi Final


There are few other matches where India knocked out Australia in group stages 2014 and 2016 T20 world cups
I am talking about finals there. CT 2025 was a weak Aussie side - I know you will say 2023 WTC Indian side had players missing but even if we take only ODI WCs then, India have no knockout matches in SF or F. 2011 QF at home is bottom of the barrel. Even then Aus have 2003, 2023 WC F and 2015 SF.
 
Point is India have always been ousted by Australia in big moments and finals. Their ICC F wins have come against:

1983 - West Indies (ok credible win)
2002 - SL
2007 - Pak (close win after winning an important toss)
2011 - SL
2013 - England
2024 - SA
2025 - NZ
2026 - NZ

Do you see the one team missing? The team that dumped India out of 2003 F, 2023 WC F and 2023 test championship.
Yes a team that get kicked by afghanistan, srilanka, Zimbabwe somehow must meet india in final because.in your weird world Australia will.win.lol.can you tell me how many ICC events were won by Australia against India when played pandya..check all the way
.every single icc match..ct wc t20
 
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Yes a team that get kicked by afghanistan, srilanka, Zimbabwe somehow must meet india in final because.in your weird world Australia will.win.lol.can you tell me how many ICC events were won by Australia against India when played pandya..check all the way
.every single icc match..ct wc t20
Pandya? You are talking like he is Gilchrist and Warne lol. I am not discrediting India not beating Australia in 2026 WC but the evidence is overwhelming that Aus always dominate India in finals. India have no ICC final wins vs Australia. Australlia have 4, 3 if you count only LOI
 
Australia vs India with pandyanin ICC events

0-5. Zilch Nada. Once pandya lends the balance Australia is not beating them. Take a guess who dismissed Klassen 2024 final. Take a guess who bowled 20th over or 19th over against England.
 
Pandya? You are talking like he is Gilchrist and Warne lol. I am not discrediting India not beating Australia in 2026 WC but the evidence is overwhelming that Aus always dominate India in finals. India have no ICC final wins vs Australia. Australlia have 4, 3 if you count only LOI
Yes with pandya australia is not beating india at any stage of an ICC event
 
Point is India have always been ousted by Australia in big moments and finals. Their ICC F wins have come against:

1983 - West Indies (ok credible win)
2002 - SL
2007 - Pak (close win after winning an important toss)
2011 - SL
2013 - England
2024 - SA
2025 - NZ
2026 - NZ

Do you see the one team missing? The team that dumped India out of 2003 F, 2023 WC F and 2023 test championship.
India or rather Rohit Sharma knocked Australia out during the 2024 T20 WC. He even laughed about this in a press conference. Not sure what the point is though - Australia have been the most competitive ICC-events team for decades now, even if they might not have the proportional silverware.
 
I posted that India won the WC mostly the moment Australia is eliminated by Sri Lanka. Avoiding Australia or facing them in quarters/semis is better than facing them in finals. This is true for all teams in cricket.
 
India or rather Rohit Sharma knocked Australia out during the 2024 T20 WC. He even laughed about this in a press conference. Not sure what the point is though - Australia have been the most competitive ICC-events team for decades now, even if they might not have the proportional silverware.
Point is India's ICC trophies are inflated because of conditions and avoiding Australia.
 
Australia almost alwys gets their tactics spot on in finals and all their stars perform in finals and it becomes super difficult to beat them in finals.
 
Point is India's ICC trophies are inflated because of conditions and avoiding Australia.
How are we avoiding Australia if they are getting kicked out before the final? It’s not our fault they are **** in White ball. It’s equivalent to saying India is avoiding playing Pakistan in final, when everybody knows they are crap!

You guys will do anything to pull down India’s wins, won’t you?
 
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Cricket in Australia is slowly losing popularity and lot of expats in local levels is diluting their system also...
 
How are we avoiding Australia if they are getting kicked out before the final? It’s not our fault they are **** in White ball. It’s equivalent to saying India is avoiding playing Pakistan in final, when everybody and their grandma knows they are crap!

You guys will do anything to pull down India’s wins, won’t you?

2024 and 2025....we literally kicked Australia out of the tournament.


But but saaar avoided saaaar... 🤡

Please find my lame trolling attempts funny saar... 🤡
 
Deep diving into India's recent wins we notice an interesting pattern: no Australia in finals and no SENA conditions where India typically choke/struggle.

2024 WC - England in SF and South Africa (biggest choker) in F in West Indies
2025 CT - got to play on one ground in UAE - weakened Aus in SF and NZ in F (second biggest choker)
2026 WC - England in SF and NZ in F (second biggest choker) at home

I request this not to be merged because it needs to be pointed out. While India's recent 3 ICC wins seem impressive on paper, if you dig deep it takes the sheen off quite a bit. We have to go back to 2013 for India's last win in SENA and even there the F became a short T20 because of rain. This thread isn't mean to devalue India's achievements - very transparently it is a good achievement to win when things are in your favor. The question remains if India can win ICC trophies in SENA and more importantly beat their nemesis Australia en route?
This is a lot of mental gymnastics to downplay three ICC trophies. You can only beat the teams in front of you, and India did that consistently. If Australia or anyone else wasn’t there, maybe they should’ve made it.
 
Pakistan is avoiding zimbabwe/ USA from group stage after losing them in 2022, 2024 world T20 respectively.

Idiots forget india defeated Australia in 2025 champion trophy semifinal. . knocked out Australia from 2024 world t20 after thrashing them in group stages.

Ye minnows pakistan team ke support apni minnow team ke jase hi soch rakhte hai 🤡🤡🤡

:klopp :kp
 
India ll face Australia/SA in 2027 ODI WC finals. NZ is above average team. Pak, Eng, WI, SL, Ban, Afg are bad in ODIs,
 
India ll face Australia/SA in 2027 ODI WC finals. NZ is above average team. Pak, Eng, WI, SL, Ban, Afg are bad in ODIs,
NZ was always the only team i worried about till 2023. I never worried about facing Aussies. NZ is more strategical. Now our aggression has snuffed them.
 
Aus lost only 4/14 ICC finals. India lost 7/15 ICC finals. Australia is always good on the day of big finals historically. Nothing wrong in accepting that. It's true aginst all teams not just India.
 
Aus lost only 4/14 ICC finals. India lost 7/15 ICC finals. Australia is always good on the day of big finals historically. Nothing wrong in accepting that. It's true aginst all teams not just India.
But in 2023 Australia was a way inferior team. India shut the shop.on their own against Travis head Maxwell type bowlers. KL Rahul played for Australia.
 
Deep diving into India's recent wins we notice an interesting pattern: no Australia in finals and no SENA conditions where India typically choke/struggle.

2024 WC - England in SF and South Africa (biggest choker) in F in West Indies
2025 CT - got to play on one ground in UAE - weakened Aus in SF and NZ in F (second biggest choker)
2026 WC - England in SF and NZ in F (second biggest choker) at home

I request this not to be merged because it needs to be pointed out. While India's recent 3 ICC wins seem impressive on paper, if you dig deep it takes the sheen off quite a bit. We have to go back to 2013 for India's last win in SENA and even there the F became a short T20 because of rain. This thread isn't mean to devalue India's achievements - very transparently it is a good achievement to win when things are in your favor. The question remains if India can win ICC trophies in SENA and more importantly beat their nemesis Australia en route?

And the only reason Pakistan has 3 ICC trophies is because they managed to avoid all of Australia, SA, NZ and WI in all those 3 tournaments. Genius team.
 
Yes. Our batting required bold players who play well under pressure. We had the worst guy facing 107 balls out of 300 balls
Also Hardik Pandya was a huge miss. SKY+Shami couldn't mask him. There is no replacements for Bumrah and Pandya in entire cricketing world. Two first names on Indian teamsheet for me. BTW India never lost an ICC game to Australia with Pandya in the lineup, thats in a good samplesize of 5 games.
 
Also Hardik Pandya was a huge miss. SKY+Shami couldn't mask him. There is no replacements for Bumrah and Pandya in entire cricketing world. Two first names on Indian teamsheet for me. BTW India never lost an ICC game to Australia with Pandya in the lineup, thats in a good samplesize of 5 games.
When the tail gets longer our team has the habit of shutting shop.l too early. That is where pandya was needed
 
This is actually a very fair analysis.

India is yet to win a global tournament in Australia.

Pakistan has done it. England has done it. But they haven’t been able to pull it off.

If there were more ICC tournaments hosted in Australia, then surely Inda’s trophy count would be half.
 
Deep diving into India's recent wins we notice an interesting pattern: no Australia in finals and no SENA conditions where India typically choke/struggle.

2024 WC - England in SF and South Africa (biggest choker) in F in West Indies
2025 CT - got to play on one ground in UAE - weakened Aus in SF and NZ in F (second biggest choker)
2026 WC - England in SF and NZ in F (second biggest choker) at home

I request this not to be merged because it needs to be pointed out. While India's recent 3 ICC wins seem impressive on paper, if you dig deep it takes the sheen off quite a bit. We have to go back to 2013 for India's last win in SENA and even there the F became a short T20 because of rain. This thread isn't mean to devalue India's achievements - very transparently it is a good achievement to win when things are in your favor. The question remains if India can win ICC trophies in SENA and more importantly beat their nemesis Australia en route?

India beat Australia in 1998 Sharjah tri-series final.
India beat Australia in 2008 CB Series 1st final.
India beat Australia in 2008 CB Series 2nd final.
India beat Australia in 2012 under-19 WC final.
India beat Australia in 2018 under-19 WC final.

India have 5-4 win loss record vs Australia in knockout matches of ICC tournaments. It's just that India haven't beaten Australia in senior men's finals but have beaten them regularly in quarter finals & semifinals.
 
Oh bhai, stop it.

Just give them credit where due.

Ct was our own home tournament, we also knew uae better than anyone else. For WT2026 we played all our games in one country.

We still lost. When we got same favors, we sucked. Just give india the credit they deserve
 
It's T20 man, literally any of the top 6 team can win in any moment. Plus, tournament happens like every 2 years.
In 2022, PAK would've almost won as NED defeated RSA. Who would've thought of that? Plus, IND is a top tier team, and spends heavily in IPL.

If anything, its surprising they won just 3 out of 10 T20 WC tournaments, and 1 out of 5 ODI WC tournaments since 2007.
 
Before 2019 semi final question was who can stop India.
Before 2023 final questiin. Was who can stop india
But there was always a question about middle order in both events. What happens if top order fails. Same with 2017.


Indias lack of depth hurt them thrice. Gambhir brought in the successful ipl template.They rejigged their batting so that India has an extra batsman . Things started happening. India hasn't looked back since.

2027 farewell ODI for old guys. So India won't win
 
If they can win one of 2027 or 2028 I will bow my head down until then you are partially right....... but 2024 was great win I think....... not get same feeling in 2025 and 2026
 
Another sore loser thread to downplay Indian success. Thanks it did bring a chuckle reading the heartburn our success is bringing to padosis.

In India discussion's who to play or omit in the finals, in Padosiland, the discussions how to omit RizBar to get to finals in the first place.
 
If onlY Australis had not gotten their teeth knocked out by Afghanistan, Zimbabwe, Srilanka..India would not have won wcs lol. That is a stretch dude.
 
@The Bald Eagle just like I predicted that india is going to win Champion Trophy 2025 and World T20 2026. And we have won them.

Now my prediction - we are going to win the World Cup 2027. .Rok sako to rok lena. 18 months hai taiyari shuru kar do. Vase tumko sirf Naqvi se bolna hai , trophy Chori karne ke liye .... Uski planning ki bol raha hu 🤪🤣

:klopp :kp
 
@The Bald Eagle just like I predicted that india is going to win Champion Trophy 2025 and World T20 2026. And we have won them.

Now my prediction - we are going to win the World Cup 2027. .Rok sako to rok lena. 18 months hai taiyari shuru kar do. Vase tumko sirf Naqvi se bolna hai , trophy Chori karne ke liye .... Uski planning ki bol raha hu 🤪🤣

:klopp :kp
Wow...So RoKo will end their career on high as per your prediction.
 
@nish_mate @jnaveen1980 @Devadwal @harshjoshi87 @RahulBose @Josh @pillionrider @Mesozoic @subbu

OP is absolutely correct. Lets encourage this thinking and decision making process.

Lets campaign for these guys to get into leadership positions in Pak in all walks of life

@The Bald Eagle how can we help become PCB chairman?
On OP, what makes you think he is smart enough to ever con his way into any kind of leadership position?

Being this delusional at such a young age (just guessing but all evidence points towards that) doesn't really lend itself to that.
 
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Another sore loser thread to downplay Indian success. Thanks it did bring a chuckle reading the heartburn our success is bringing to padosis.

In India discussion's who to play or omit in the finals, in Padosiland, the discussions how to omit RizBar to get to finals in the first place.
it's rage-bait lol and you guys are giving OP exactly what he wants by responding to his ridiculous assertions that no reasonable individual would take seriously
 
On OP, what makes you think he is smart enough to ever con his way into any kind of leadership position?

Being this delusional at such a young age (just guessing but all evidence points towards that) doesn't really lend itself to that.
I disagree. OP is a star. hope he goes for in pakistan.
 
This is actually a very fair analysis.

India is yet to win a global tournament in Australia.

Pakistan has done it. England has done it. But they haven’t been able to pull it off.

If there were more ICC tournaments hosted in Australia, then surely Inda’s trophy count would be half.
I reckon either the b&h 1985 world championship was either before your time on this planet or your having an amnesia bout in your current reincarnation.

Point being it was held in Oz and India won it and beat guess who in the final.

Better troll than me would say India inspired PCT to win something in Oz and India inspired PCT with a bit of Qudrat Ka Nizam finally won a silverware in Ozland.
:saqi
 
India beat Australia in 1998 Sharjah tri-series final.
India beat Australia in 2008 CB Series 1st final.
India beat Australia in 2008 CB Series 2nd final.
India beat Australia in 2012 under-19 WC final.
India beat Australia in 2018 under-19 WC final.

India have 5-4 win loss record vs Australia in knockout matches of ICC tournaments. It's just that India haven't beaten Australia in senior men's finals but have beaten them regularly in quarter finals & semifinals.
@The Bald Eagle you see the hypocrisy bro? We had @Mesozoic constantly dancing around Pak H2H record superiority and talking about ICC tournaments, now these Indian fans are exposed as they bring Sharjah ODI LOL!
 
Like always so easy to trigger some...Rizboy just having a fun day.
Bottom line is India just cannot beat Aus in ICC finals 3-0 and India have a much lower success rate in SENA in ICC tournament wins and their recent 3 wins are a result of both these factors. I still give Ind credit for winning in favorable conditions.
 
And the only reason Pakistan has 3 ICC trophies is because they managed to avoid all of Australia, SA, NZ and WI in all those 3 tournaments. Genius team.
Pak have underperformed in ICC tournaments no doubt but that is not the point of this thread. Create a new thread if you want to discuss that. Pak at least have an ICC F thrashing of India, too bad India cant say the same.
 
Another sore loser thread to downplay Indian success. Thanks it did bring a chuckle reading the heartburn our success is bringing to padosis.

In India discussion's who to play or omit in the finals, in Padosiland, the discussions how to omit RizBar to get to finals in the first place.
Sore loser how? I explicitly said India deserve credit. Only pointing out 2 factors that helped India...opponents in finals and location.
 
@The Bald Eagle just like I predicted that india is going to win Champion Trophy 2025 and World T20 2026. And we have won them.

Now my prediction - we are going to win the World Cup 2027. .Rok sako to rok lena. 18 months hai taiyari shuru kar do. Vase tumko sirf Naqvi se bolna hai , trophy Chori karne ke liye .... Uski planning ki bol raha hu 🤪🤣

:klopp :kp
Old man Rohit and Chokli still hanging on after getting kicked out in tests and after Aus humiliated them at home. This will end in tears.
 
Sore loser how? I explicitly said India deserve credit. Only pointing out 2 factors that helped India...opponents in finals and location.
The difference is if Pak win WC tournaments and play entertaining cricket, will absolutely give them credit because its all about the game . Will not do mental gymnastics like you.. I know you are trolling but everyone knows deep down you are envious of Ind success, and thats why these copium threads and thats OK :)
 
Aussies lost to Zimbos and did not make it to super 8’s. Not India’s fault.

The team that Aus sent to the T20 WC was mediocre. That bowing lineup rightfully got pummeled.
 
Aussies lost to Zimbos and did not make it to super 8’s. Not India’s fault.

The team that Aus sent to the T20 WC was mediocre. That bowing lineup rightfully got pummeled.
This was their plan. Load the side with hitters all the way with a bit of compromise in bowling. It works on good batting tracks. Their wl percentage was higher than indias at one point. They tried to ape India. But what they didnt factor in was when you play Australia it is T20 for opposition when you play India it is T16.
 
@The Bald Eagle you see the hypocrisy bro? We had @Mesozoic constantly dancing around Pak H2H record superiority and talking about ICC tournaments, now these Indian fans are exposed as they bring Sharjah ODI LOL!
How many matches has Pakistan won against Australia in tournament finals, semi-finals or quarterfinals?

Answer is zero.

Zero
wins in finals vs Australia inspite of having a decent team in 80's & 90's.
 
Old man Rohit and Chokli still hanging on after getting kicked out in tests and after Aus humiliated them at home. This will end in tears.
Australia have been humiliated in India regularly from 1969. Apart from fluke win in 2004, Australia have been annihilated in India every time in last 57 years while India have manage 2 series wins in Australia.

Simth, injury ravaged Australian trio, baldy Lyon still hanging on to win one last test series in India.
 
Deep diving into India's recent wins we notice an interesting pattern: no Australia in finals and no SENA conditions where India typically choke/struggle.

2024 WC - England in SF and South Africa (biggest choker) in F in West Indies
2025 CT - got to play on one ground in UAE - weakened Aus in SF and NZ in F (second biggest choker)
2026 WC - England in SF and NZ in F (second biggest choker) at home

I request this not to be merged because it needs to be pointed out. While India's recent 3 ICC wins seem impressive on paper, if you dig deep it takes the sheen off quite a bit. We have to go back to 2013 for India's last win in SENA and even there the F became a short T20 because of rain. This thread isn't mean to devalue India's achievements - very transparently it is a good achievement to win when things are in your favor. The question remains if India can win ICC trophies in SENA and more importantly beat their nemesis Australia en route?
You start with so many ifs and buts...for example you forget India whooped Australia in 2024 t20 and CT too...also if Australia faced India in 2026 wc they would be pulverized be it finals or anything else.
 
It's better to say "Yes bro,you are right" and finish than to respond and argue to these meaningless spam threads created with intention to trigger the ones supporting India.
 
How many matches has Pakistan won against Australia in tournament finals, semi-finals or quarterfinals?

Answer is zero.

Zero
wins in finals vs Australia inspite of having a decent team in 80's & 90's.
He will just say this thread is not about Pakistan, speak only on India. The thing is Pakistanis are in a position where they are happy to accept they are a poor team with no pride, and we are in a position where even our single loss in a world cup is heavily criticized despite showing phenomenal performances over the years..All they have now is to just throw some weird stats to ridicule India and get happy seeing us triggered..
 
Australia is a bogey team for everyone in World Cup knockouts.

Atleast India have beaten them in big games in 2007, 2011, 2024 and 2025 knockouts. Those were all big moments and India have won. Other teams like NZ, SA, Pak almost always loses to Aus in knockouts.

Talking specifically about Finals is absurd because India met Australia in Finals only once in 2023 WC in recent years. You can’t be basing any argument on that one game.
 
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