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Azhar Ali and Mohammad Hafeez refuse to join training camp due to Mohammad Amir #83

all the mediocre players coming together- Hafeez and Azhar are vastly flawed players, and are really only in the ODI team because we are going through arguably our least talented phase in the history of our cricket

I have no problem at all if Hafeez and even Azhar never play for Pakistan again, or anyone else willing to take Pakistan cricket hostage!
 
It wasn't PCB's fault that he didn't warrant selection for LOIs because of his deficiencies as a batsman since his debut. You don't need a plethora of matches to judge a player's credentials, quality players turn up from Day 1, you can passionately observe it in their body language, approach and more importantly technical competency, you just know they'll prove their worth in time, something AA and MH haven't been able to replicate since their international careers started.

stop avoiding the question. how is it azhars fault where we are in rankings. hafeez merited a place as a bowler. its neither of their fault, its the teams fault. i respect your opinion that you dont like them as cricketers but saying they have been the cause of our current rankings is absurd
 
Poor blackmailing by Hafeez and Azhar. They deserve to be punished accordingly.

I'm pretty sure making all these statements publicly is also affecting Pakistan crickets image. So by their own so called 'morals', they shouldn't be playing for Pakistan either.
 
Both are nothing players. It will be good riddance especially Azhar whose captaincy makes us 10x worse.

More like 100x to be honest, the guy is as clueless as a chicken on cricket field, no tactics or planning to enforce the issue but watching like a zombie letting the game drift by hoping and praying for something to happen instead of making it happen. Put his mediocre batting on top of that and he becomes a dispensable commodity.
 
stop avoiding the question. how is it azhars fault where we are in rankings. hafeez merited a place as a bowler. its neither of their fault, its the teams fault. i respect your opinion that you dont like them as cricketers but saying they have been the cause of our current rankings is absurd

If Pakistan persists with him for next couple of years, I'm sure they'll be competing with associates for next WC qualification.
 
Drop Hafeez from T20s and let Amir play in T20 s for now as Afridi doesn't seem to have a problem. Once he performs well in T20s, PCB should try to mend the relations between the players. A bit of time is what's needed at this point instead of all the drama.
 
these evil players....asking for the board to take time before letting convicted players in the team. can they sink any lower?

Right or wrong in terms of where ones stance is, it should be noted that their job is to play, and not to strongarm management whose job it is to select.

Now if they refuse to play for Pakistan on this stance, so be it, I don't have any qualms with that, they are sticking to principles, and probably good ones at that, but you cannot have it both ways.

The PCB pays you, and they can do what they want with the players they select.

Imagine you have a job, and you have a man who went to jail for money laundering, you may think he is the scum of the earth, rightfully so, but is it your decision to take a stance? No. They pay you for a job.

You may reserve judgement, you may tell them you do not support it, but if you say, well I am no longer coming to work because of it, well then, that is when it gets a bit tricky. You are overstepping the bounds of what you are entitled to do, and if you do not support, then the door is always open to leave, and I would fully laud both of them in doing so because they chose their principles over a paycheque, but having your cake and eating it to doesn't work.

The PCB pays you and are doing the job they think best, if you do not support the way they are conducting business, then leave, but don't overstep your bounds and in a sense bite the hand that feeds you and tell the how to do their job.

If the PCB said Amir will play, which they are pretty much saying, and there is nothing they can do, what will they do? The choice is feed their families, or stick to principle and leave. If they do that again, I applaud people for taking their moral compass to where there mouth is.

This slack-jawed tomfoolery of five year old responses that we won't play because he is a cheater and we have all the right to make a stance with our bosses is a bit tired. You know who PCB is, you know where they stand, and you know nothing you do or say will make a difference.

I don't care if Amir is back or not, unfortunately to be devils advocate would insinuate I somehow support what he did or the findings of what happened or his morality. I do care about hypocrisies though.

This is just making noise for the sake of it. Say it behind closed doors, or say I quit the team as I do not support this.

PCB is doing their job, Hafeez and Ali do yours. IF you dislike how your employer does their job, well then if you cannot change their mind, which you cannot, then leave on principle. Not this half assed we're taking a stance which will make no difference and only create more separation and animosity between the team you are playing for.
 
Bottom line, no player is bigger than the team and hafeez/azhar have no right to put up this drama against the teams best interest which in this case is to induct amir in order to strenghthen our weak bowling line up !
 
I would rather not have Amir in the team than lose 3-4 key players because of him. Amir is a good talent but he is not the second coming of Jesus, and having him in the team is not worthing losing half the dressing room.

PCB needs to handle this carefully and tactfully - throwing show-cause notices will not help; the management needs to make the players understand but if they are firm in their stance then we don't have any option but to neglect Amir.

Whatever, the inclusion of Amir will be worth if it can minimize the 24/7 negative drivel from you.
 
It is a simple situation, whoever does not want to play with Amir can take a hike. The likes of Azhar Ali and Hafeez are embarrassing Pakistan now, the ICC has clearly mentioned that the Trio are free to return to Cricket after Sept 1st, 2015 and no legal impediment can stop them.
 
Azhar Ali is not a big loss as far as ODI Cricket is concerned, on the plus side this gives us a chance to do away with him in ODI Cricket for good.

Hafeez will need to be convinced to drop it. So far it is clear it is only these 2 who are the most upset.
 
Right or wrong in terms of where ones stance is, it should be noted that their job is to play, and not to strongarm management whose job it is to select.

Now if they refuse to play for Pakistan on this stance, so be it, I don't have any qualms with that, they are sticking to principles, and probably good ones at that, but you cannot have it both ways.

The PCB pays you, and they can do what they want with the players they select.

Imagine you have a job, and you have a man who went to jail for money laundering, you may think he is the scum of the earth, rightfully so, but is it your decision to take a stance? No. They pay you for a job.

You may reserve judgement, you may tell them you do not support it, but if you say, well I am no longer coming to work because of it, well then, that is when it gets a bit tricky. You are overstepping the bounds of what you are entitled to do, and if you do not support, then the door is always open to leave, and I would fully laud both of them in doing so because they chose their principles over a paycheque, but having your cake and eating it to doesn't work.

The PCB pays you and are doing the job they think best, if you do not support the way they are conducting business, then leave, but don't overstep your bounds and in a sense bite the hand that feeds you and tell the how to do their job.

If the PCB said Amir will play, which they are pretty much saying, and there is nothing they can do, what will they do? The choice is feed their families, or stick to principle and leave. If they do that again, I applaud people for taking their moral compass to where there mouth is.

This slack-jawed tomfoolery of five year old responses that we won't play because he is a cheater and we have all the right to make a stance with our bosses is a bit tired. You know who PCB is, you know where they stand, and you know nothing you do or say will make a difference.

I don't care if Amir is back or not, unfortunately to be devils advocate would insinuate I somehow support what he did or the findings of what happened or his morality. I do care about hypocrisies though.

This is just making noise for the sake of it. Say it behind closed doors, or say I quit the team as I do not support this.

PCB is doing their job, Hafeez and Ali do yours. IF you dislike how your employer does their job, well then if you cannot change their mind, which you cannot, then leave on principle. Not this half assed we're taking a stance which will make no difference and only create more separation and animosity between the team you are playing for.

I think most fans, you included, need to stop dreaming that it is a settled issue and aamirs comeback is rubberstamped by pcb. It is not. All that is playing out right now is the process of whether he gets to play or not.
 
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Jokers........he was 18!!!
So has Pakistan done in recent one dayers......
Oh Yeah how can they play with a Coach who didn't see what was going on.........

Really Pathetic stance at really the wrong time as well........
Or do they know that Amir will never get involved again in anything like that.....

Seems like a strange stance.......If they had been beating everyone in the world since the
exclusion and the team was pristine.....then I would rethink.

Now its just pathetic.....sad cause I like Hafeez as a player, still not sure on Azhar as he is normally too slow...
 
Pathetic! Who cares! Pakistan doesn't need tuktuk Misbah azhar ali or Hafeez! They can play for Zim!
 
Two type of groups are running Pak cricket at the moment

One group consist of friendship players who support each other and not the team , their only motive is that their favourites keep on playing whether they are non performers .. these include Hafeez , Misbah , Azhar , Ajmal , Shafiq etc

Another group is performance based group who does not care about who is in the team as long as they are performing they are included .. these include afridi , malik , wahab , sarfaraz , tanveer , etc [ shehzad is an exception ]

the first group is afraid of amir as he is a world class bowler and is a possible candidate for future captaincy which may hurt their plans to keep their favourites in the team .
 
Amir never create division in the team!!! People are making things
that is a naive statement

amir's selfish acts have caused this.

let me simplify it.

Had Amir never been involve in corruption, this would had never happened.

This what happens when people run after money
 
Two type of groups are running Pak cricket at the moment

One group consist of friendship players who support each other and not the team , their only motive is that their favourites keep on playing whether they are non performers .. these include Hafeez , Misbah , Azhar , Ajmal , Shafiq etc

Another group is performance based group who does not care about who is in the team as long as they are performing they are included .. these include afridi , malik , wahab , sarfaraz , tanveer , etc [ shehzad is an exception ]

the first group is afraid of amir as he is a world class bowler and is a possible candidate for future captaincy which may hurt their plans to keep their favourites in the team .

The very fact that you include the completely blameless Misbah in the first group and Afridi whose cronism with Umar Akmal and Shehzad are completely well known in the second group is telling.

BTW, Misbah has openly supported Amir so you got even that wrong
 
The likes of Azhar Ali and Hafeez are embarrassing Pakistan now, the ICC has clearly mentioned that the Trio are free to return to Cricket after Sept 1st, 2015 and no legal impediment can stop them.

No, the ICC has said that PCB is clear to pick them if they want. All other responsibility including the one of morality and eligibility of picking is at the country's board discretion. For example when BCCI gave a life ban on Sreesanth for spot fixing, it was not based on ICC rules
 
Azhar is throwing away his captaincy.

Because it doesn't seem like that many players follow him in this stance. The rest of the team is there laughing and playing with Amir. The only one standing out is Azhar and he is ALONE in this. Clearly he isn't an influential captain for them to all take his side. He's undermining his captaincy now, because no one else stood behind him.

So, he doesn't have the support amongst players. He's there alone, with Hafeez, while the camp moves on without him. He's done for.

If his morals are so strong that he risks his career for them, good for him. Mashallah. But he can't reshape the team on his morals and they're going to move on without him.
 
The very fact that you include the completely blameless Misbah in the first group and Afridi whose cronism with Umar Akmal and Shehzad are completely well known in the second group is telling.

BTW, Misbah has openly supported Amir so you got even that wrong


Today Misbah said that it is very difficult to captain with amir playing in the side , so he is also against his inclusion.
 
I don't know how many people here actually remember or watched that day when the story broke. The Pakistan team came walking into the ground after training. Everyone looked defensive and defiant except Azhar Ali. He was the only one I recall who looked truly embarrassed by the media attention and gaping looks from the crowds.

Instead of attacking him, maybe people should understand that maybe his hurt is sincere.
 
Tv channels in Pakistan reporting Azhar Ali & Mohammad Hafeez have refused to attend the fitness camp due to Amir being at the camp #Cricket

So far at the fitness camp all of the players and staff have been very welcoming of Mohammad Amir with no incidents or issues #Cricket
Buzdil players like Misbah Hafeez and Azhar should take retirement. Or play for Kenya..
 
Buzdil Misbah Hafeez and Azhar ali show thr true colors! They should go through rehab how to accept people! Buzdil mentallity
 
I have decided right now. If Pakistan doesn't select Amir, I'll start supporting India.

? Were you not already an Indian supporter? what am I missing here and why not take involved player(s) side like the majority of posters here.
 
Right or wrong in terms of where ones stance is, it should be noted that their job is to play, and not to strongarm management whose job it is to select.

Now if they refuse to play for Pakistan on this stance, so be it, I don't have any qualms with that, they are sticking to principles, and probably good ones at that, but you cannot have it both ways.

The PCB pays you, and they can do what they want with the players they select.

Imagine you have a job, and you have a man who went to jail for money laundering, you may think he is the scum of the earth, rightfully so, but is it your decision to take a stance? No. They pay you for a job.

You may reserve judgement, you may tell them you do not support it, but if you say, well I am no longer coming to work because of it, well then, that is when it gets a bit tricky. You are overstepping the bounds of what you are entitled to do, and if you do not support, then the door is always open to leave, and I would fully laud both of them in doing so because they chose their principles over a paycheque, but having your cake and eating it to doesn't work.

The PCB pays you and are doing the job they think best, if you do not support the way they are conducting business, then leave, but don't overstep your bounds and in a sense bite the hand that feeds you and tell the how to do their job.

If the PCB said Amir will play, which they are pretty much saying, and there is nothing they can do, what will they do? The choice is feed their families, or stick to principle and leave. If they do that again, I applaud people for taking their moral compass to where there mouth is.

This slack-jawed tomfoolery of five year old responses that we won't play because he is a cheater and we have all the right to make a stance with our bosses is a bit tired. You know who PCB is, you know where they stand, and you know nothing you do or say will make a difference.

I don't care if Amir is back or not, unfortunately to be devils advocate would insinuate I somehow support what he did or the findings of what happened or his morality. I do care about hypocrisies though.

This is just making noise for the sake of it. Say it behind closed doors, or say I quit the team as I do not support this.

PCB is doing their job, Hafeez and Ali do yours. IF you dislike how your employer does their job, well then if you cannot change their mind, which you cannot, then leave on principle. Not this half assed we're taking a stance which will make no difference and only create more separation and animosity between the team you are playing for.

POTW... Very well put up...
 
I think most fans, you included, need to stop dreaming that it is a settled issue and aamirs comeback is rubberstamped by pcb. It is not. All that is playing out right now is the process of whether he gets to play or not.

Well, you deflected a bit with that response. We can argue to the cows come home whether we think he will or will not come back, that is irrelevant, the issue here is whose job it is to do what.

They are taking a stand, do it all you want, but this method of doing it to act as though they are esteemed citizens because they do not support a cheater is a weak one.

Your answer had no relevance to what my point was, but I guess grasping at straws is what a plethora of people here seem to do best.

What's the point of doing what they are? Send a message they do not support him? Okay, we got it. So not practicing with him is what exactly? A threat you won't play for your country, because it is possible that those who also chose you to play for the team may in fact choose someone you think doesn't deserve the same position? No. Of course they will play. So what is it then? It is them trying to show they have some morality by ruffling the feathers by making some noise as though you are going to actually take a real stand and show some real honour and integrity by leaving the entire regime altogether.

You will of course hark back to this just being practice and I am under the insinuation that it is written in stone Amir will play, but again, that is trying to create a narrative that doesn't exist because well, admitting you are off base is showing the road to defeat, and ironically would be the more honourable road to travel, than deflecting left and right.

Now we can argue all we want, but Amir will be back, whether it's tomorrow, or five years from now, but all of the special treatment, all of the begging of PCB from every chairman from day one, is all for an end game.

When he comes back, let us see if Hafeez and Azhar Ali will be boycotting the team, and again, putting their morals where there mouths are.

As of right now, this taking a stance, is actually just the opposite and accomplishes nothing. To really take a stand would to be if the time comes to put on the green shirt at the international level, and they refuse on principle. If they do that, I will again, say well done, that is truly standing up for your beliefs.

This is just noise.
 
lol you would think it would be the bowlers that would be making a fuss about Amir seeing as their spots would be under threat. Instead its the Pak top order batsmen making all the drama :))
 
It's ok we don't need Azhar, a horrible captain, and Hafeez, a useless player these days.

The force is strong with Amir
 
lol you would think it would be the bowlers that would be making a fuss about Amir seeing as their spots would be under threat. Instead its the Pak top order batsmen making all the drama :))

Maybe they are doing it on their behalf otherwise it would make it too obvious. :rahat :sohail
 
Well, you deflected a bit with that response. We can argue to the cows come home whether we think he will or will not come back, that is irrelevant, the issue here is whose job it is to do what.

They are taking a stand, do it all you want, but this method of doing it to act as though they are esteemed citizens because they do not support a cheater is a weak one.

Your answer had no relevance to what my point was, but I guess grasping at straws is what a plethora of people here seem to do best.

What's the point of doing what they are? Send a message they do not support him? Okay, we got it. So not practicing with him is what exactly? A threat you won't play for your country, because it is possible that those who also chose you to play for the team may in fact choose someone you think doesn't deserve the same position? No. Of course they will play. So what is it then? It is them trying to show they have some morality by ruffling the feathers by making some noise as though you are going to actually take a real stand and show some real honour and integrity by leaving the entire regime altogether.

You will of course hark back to this just being practice and I am under the insinuation that it is written in stone Amir will play, but again, that is trying to create a narrative that doesn't exist because well, admitting you are off base is showing the road to defeat, and ironically would be the more honourable road to travel, than deflecting left and right.

Now we can argue all we want, but Amir will be back, whether it's tomorrow, or five years from now, but all of the special treatment, all of the begging of PCB from every chairman from day one, is all for an end game.

When he comes back, let us see if Hafeez and Azhar Ali will be boycotting the team, and again, putting their morals where there mouths are.

As of right now, this taking a stance, is actually just the opposite and accomplishes nothing. To really take a stand would to be if the time comes to put on the green shirt at the international level, and they refuse on principle. If they do that, I will again, say well done, that is truly standing up for your beliefs.

This is just noise.

Yes that's quite a few paragraphs of noise. I am not sure what you are saying here.
 
finally, some signs of integrity from players in pakistan - well done for azhar and hafeez, putting their own careers on the line for a point of principle that seems way beyond the scope of understanding of most of the contributors on this thread. and masses of anday on the face of the idiots who repeatedly bleated that this backlash was all down to hafeez alone whilst character assassinating him like spoiled foolish children.

with neither of them susceptible to a drop if amir came back, it cant be anything other than principle. good for them.

moral judgements aside, in terms of practicality, its an interesting conundrum for the Pathetic Cricket Board: with pakistan being what it is and the readiness with which criminality is ignored and embraced for short term gain, it seems that the majority of the infrastructure is invested in returning amir to the first xi; however, losing the brand new chosen odi captain in that endeavour is a serious embarrassment for them.

at the moment i would imagine its a very close decision between allowing azhar and hafeez to withdraw versus not selecting amir; but if i were a betting man, i think they might give amir the nod over the other two.
 
finally, some signs of integrity from players in pakistan - well done for azhar and hafeez, putting their own careers on the line for a point of principle that seems way beyond the scope of understanding of most of the contributors on this thread. and masses of anday on the face of the idiots who repeatedly bleated that this backlash was all down to hafeez alone whilst character assassinating him like spoiled foolish children.

with neither of them susceptible to a drop if amir came back, it cant be anything other than principle. good for them.

moral judgements aside, in terms of practicality, its an interesting conundrum for the Pathetic Cricket Board: with pakistan being what it is and the readiness with which criminality is ignored and embraced for short term gain, it seems that the majority of the infrastructure is invested in returning amir to the first xi; however, losing the brand new chosen odi captain in that endeavour is a serious embarrassment for them.

at the moment i would imagine its a very close decision between allowing azhar and hafeez to withdraw versus not selecting amir; but if i were a betting man, i think they might give amir the nod over the other two.

What are your thoughts on them playing under Waqar and Mushi (both were fined in Qayyum report)
 
A very bold stance taken by Azhar & Hafeez, and the shameful thing is they are being cast as the bad guys.

then again this is the same populace that calls Malala a drama, raises slogans for Mumtaz Qadri & defends Bilawal over the death of an infant.

a massive clanger by the ever incompetent PCB to not control the situation before it got out of hand.
 
It's ok we don't need Azhar, a horrible captain, and Hafeez, a useless player these days.

The force is strong with Amir
I hope you're joking.
If you're serious,let me tell you,Hafeez has been performing brilliantly with the bat for the last year.On the UAE pitches,he is a beast.As for Azhar,he is our best batsman after Misbah and Younis,and is our future test captain.He has been performing consistently for us with the bat for the last 5,6 years.So you can't drop either of them for Amir.I hope the situation is settled because we don't need a fractioned team.In fact,thats the last thing we need.
Amir should be made to sit down with all the dissenting players and they should have a honest talk.They should talk about their issues with each other\with Amir.
I think Azhar was truly hurt on the England tour.He was one of the youngest of the team and it was his debut series.He was good friends with Amir as they were close in age.He must have been ridiculed and made fun of by the English fans and Media.It was supposed to be a dream come true for him yet it was a nightmare.
Amir deserves a spot in the team,on merit.But Azhar and Hafeez shouldn't be dropped.Their opinions should be respected as they are seniors and have been to hell,and back.
 
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I don't know how many people here actually remember or watched that day when the story broke. The Pakistan team came walking into the ground after training. Everyone looked defensive and defiant except Azhar Ali. He was the only one I recall who looked truly embarrassed by the media attention and gaping looks from the crowds.

Instead of attacking him, maybe people should understand that maybe his hurt is sincere.

True. He was in England at the time. He went through all that himself. It will be very very hard for him forget all that.
But no, since he has spoken against Lord Amir, he will called all kinds of names.

I truly feel bad for Azhar and Hafeez.
 
I guess Hafeez & Azhar knows about Amir's real intentions...may be Amir is not as innocent as some claim here.


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Agar hum Nawaz Shareef ko teesri baar elect kar saktay hain...

To Mohammad Amir ko doosra chance nahin de saktey?
 
Agar hum Nawaz Shareef ko teesri baar elect kar saktay hain...

To Mohammad Amir ko doosra chance nahin de saktey?

Definitely. As a cricket fan sitting away from it all, I would like to see Amir play cricket again. But we also need to be sensitive to those who were around it at the time and maybe find it really hard to let go.
 
True. He was in England at the time. He went through all that himself. It will be very very hard for him forget all that.
But no, since he has spoken against Lord Amir, he will called all kinds of names.

I truly feel bad for Azhar and Hafeez.

Stop referring to him as lord because you will offend tendulkar deyota.
 
A very bold stance taken by Azhar & Hafeez, and the shameful thing is they are being cast as the bad guys.

then again this is the same populace that calls Malala a drama, raises slogans for Mumtaz Qadri & defends Bilawal over the death of an infant.

a massive clanger by the ever incompetent PCB to not control the situation before it got out of hand.

I think it is same populace that supports Azhar and Hafeez for morality stance since they do the same with Malala for their indirect support for TTP, and their indirect support for Mumtaz Qadri strengthening the support for blasphemy law and it is same so-called moral police that turns blind of atrocious towards Ahmedhiya community while propagate the victim card for minority [being themselves] in western world.

Moral police like Azhar & Hafeez are huge problems for Pakistan. No no, don't spare anyone for their crimes, and who cares if they repented for their crimes never mind being the first to repent to God immediately while judge others, yet ask not to be judged. :facepalm:
 
Agar hum Nawaz Shareef ko teesri baar elect kar saktay hain...

To Mohammad Amir ko doosra chance nahin de saktey?

Exactly. Not to mention, several former cricketers from Qayyum Report.

Trio deserves similar chance as well. I am against the comeback of trio because of possible complication of the dressing rooms and being under scanner from the rest of the world. That being said, trio are already punished and paid for their crimes now.
 
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I guess Hafeez & Azhar knows about Amir's real intentions...may be Amir is not as innocent as some claim here.


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Ohhh really...star plus kum dekha karo dramay insaan.


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Ohhh really...star plus kum dekha karo dramay insaan.


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Perfect opportunity this for the usual suspects to take quick little jabs and potshots at our current situation. Happens on both sides.
 
Perfect opportunity this for the usual suspects to take quick little jabs and potshots at our current situation. Happens on both sides.

Dont give a tiny rats....I will call dramay baz a dramay baz.


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Today Misbah said that it is very difficult to captain with amir playing in the side , so he is also against his inclusion.

So your sense of groupism is only on who supports Amir and who doesn't? You were talking about groupism. BTW, check the video of Misbah saying Amir has been punished enough.
 
This will only be a big deal if they refuse to play

Hafeez and Azhar think they can pressure the board into kicking Amir to the curb, the board shouldn't give in simply because they decide who plays, doesn't matter what the players feel, they're professionals, their job is to go and perform. If they feel as if they cannnot perform because of Amir's presence, then fine, don't play, you can be replaced. Amir did his punishment, he played domestic cricket for a year and earned his call up, he has performed, Azhar and Hafeez should see that and put it behind them.
 
Looking at dawn comments and at dawn's poll on amir. It looks that more than 80% people are in favor of amir's return to pakistan cricket team.
 
Ohhh really...star plus kum dekha karo dramay insaan.


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Frankly speaking It doesn't matter to me if Amir plays or not.

But I don't think players like Hafeez or Azhar simply make comments like this without a reason.They are not even powerful like Afridi to get anything they wanted by doing drama.


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Going by the looks of the things, it appears Hafeez has been successful at recruiting a fellow player.

In my opinion, ditching Aamir at this point wouldn't make sense considering its PCB who had been desperate and kept us giving glimpses of hope for Aamir's come back. Suddenly succumbing to demands of few arrogant bunch shall do more harm to Pakistan cricket the PCB should approach both of these player to let them know how if prefers Aamir over both of them in order to preclude such protests.
 
Going by the looks of the things, it appears Hafeez has been successful at recruiting a fellow player.

In my opinion, ditching Aamir at this point wouldn't make sense considering its PCB who had been desperate and kept us giving glimpses of hope for Aamir's come back. Suddenly succumbing to demands of few arrogant bunch shall do more harm to Pakistan cricket the PCB should approach both of these player to let them know how if prefers Aamir over both of them in order to preclude such protests.
More so ever a dangerous precedent will be set in the future.

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True. He was in England at the time. He went through all that himself. It will be very very hard for him forget all that.
But no, since he has spoken against Lord Amir, he will called all kinds of names.

I truly feel bad for Azhar and Hafeez.
I think most people are outraged with how they are holding the team hostage to their demands. Don't think you have many in this threads about how Amir is going to make Pakistan a world-beater. He might, he might not.

But the basic point is how two mediocre cricketers are acting like they own the team and trying to block the path of a cricketer PCB has chosen to represent them. Unbelievable how naive people are supporting this stance.

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So fixing is better than player expression.


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It's like you are comparing 2 un-matchable things.

Fixing is never a good thing, but it was his past which has been gone now. So what's the point?
Players expression isn't a dangerous thing, but they should follow the contract.
 
It's like you are comparing 2 un-matchable things.

Fixing is never a good thing, but it was his past which has been gone now. So what's the point?
Players expression isn't a dangerous thing, but they should follow the contract.

But that's the catch people are saying Hafeez & Azhar trying to use player power without any actual proof,Hafeez even refused BPL contract due to Aamir is that also a player power?

As I said in another post the set are not powerful or highly popular players like Afridi to get what they wanted by blackmailing board,there must be some other reason.


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But that's the catch people are saying Hafeez & Azhar trying to use player power without any actual proof,Hafeez even refused BPL contract due to Aamir is that also a player power?

As I said in another post the set are not powerful or highly popular players like Afridi to get what they wanted by blackmailing board,there must be some other reason.


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From what i know, Hafeez and AAli can't blackmail PCB via Media. It is their opinions and respect to them no doubt. That's PCB chairman will meet them in personal and will sort out the problems.
Player power can only effect if some other players join Hafeez and Azhar Ali. Now Uakmal has already joined them and from what i know there is one more cricketer who is against Amir. So, we will see in next coming days.
 
I think the number will grow from 3 to 5-6 in the coming week and then PCB will have a real problem. UA's isn't much of a concern for PCB but Hafeez and Azhar are important members of the team.
 
Pete Rose vs steelo green/Frank Underwood again. I have to say I missed this encounter. Now waiting for Shafiq to get picked in ODIs again.
 
I think most people are outraged with how they are holding the team hostage to their demands.

Do you think PCB will listen to them if they talk to them in private? At least if they raise a voice in public, PCB will be forced to do something.
But the basic point is how two mediocre cricketers are acting like they own the team and trying to block the path of a cricketer PCB has chosen to represent them.

Azhar Ali is a mediocre player? Really? He is the only batsman in only line up who can survive in Aus, Eng and NZ.
 
After all this drama even if they agree to play with aamir can they create an environment of a team? What if Azhar or hafeez drops a catch on aamirs delivery or aamir runs out any of hafeez or azhar? Things are not going to be simple.
 
Do you think PCB will listen to them if they talk to them in private? At least if they raise a voice in public, PCB will be forced to do something.


Azhar Ali is a mediocre player? Really? He is the only batsman in your line up who can survive in Aus, Eng and NZ.

Fixed.
 
Do you think PCB will listen to them if they talk to them in private? At least if they raise a voice in public, PCB will be forced to do something.


Azhar Ali is a mediocre player? Really? He is the only batsman in only line up who can survive in Aus, Eng and NZ.
Yeah raise your voice and trash your cricket board in the media so they listen to you. Normally Indians would be making an absolute mockery of Hafeez and Azhar, just to show how professional their board is and how their players would never dare to do such shenanigans. Just because its Muhammad Amir's case here, they automatically get the urge to defend whatever Hafeez/Azhar etc are upto here.

Hypocrisy.

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This is a very tricky situation.

Amir is a big player & has a long future ahead of him. He is a match winner.
 
This is getting out of hand. So are we just going to have to put up with Azhar sitting in post match conferences with his orange sports bottle uttering his "In Sha Allah we'll try hard next time" line after series losses? This basically means that we'll keep "honest blue-eyed" D-Grade fast bowlers like Anwar Ali who bowls with a cross-seam and a fluid action only to get tonked for 6-7 runs per over whilst getting ripped harder towards the death overs. I'm getting the idea that it doesn't matter what position you are in the rankings as long as you are a honest human being who just walks back to his bowling mark after getting hit for 4's and 6's.

Just because you're one of the most consistent and hard-working cricketers for your country doesn't mean that it's your own team or anything. You're respected for the services you provide for your national team and are looked upon as a sports role model. You've been specifically selected for the national team based on merit and this applies to every other cricketer in the domestic circuit. If Aamir has served his punishment for half a decade of his life then he should move on with life and start afresh, no one is entitled to remind him of his past mistakes for their own self gratification or as a means of getting the upper-hand in team selection.

Azhar's job as an ODI captain is to choose a starting XI which consists of the 11 best ODI players in the entire country. One must understand that personal feelings do not belong on the cricket field and that everyone must do their jobs properly, it's Azhar's fault for making incorrect tactical decisions by choosing players such as Shafiq in the ODI team who is clearly not fit for that format. I'd classify him as being "tactically inept" if he doesn't pick Aamir in his team. Also in today's world, no one really cares on what you're on or what you do since everyone is busy doing themselves and making their own lives better by not giving a single care of what others are doing (not wasting precious time on irrelevant human beings). Azhar must understand that to be a successful ODI captain, he must learn from his previous mistakes and choose an XI that's capable of winning matches and by having a bowling attack that can be penetrative. It's up to him on what he does next.

Hafeez on the other hand will only damage his own career if he carries on like this. He is of equal calibre to Aamir in terms of being a cricketer for the national team just like everyone else. He himself has disgraced our country by being reported twice with his boomerang arm which is a breach of the sports code of conduct. Although actions can be measured, he himself has been caught in other things such as tax evasion, which is completely different to tax avoidance of which he could've chose to do instead.

Again I would like to say that the team is filled with cricketers who have committed some shady acts in the past such as Afridi who roughed up a pitch with his spikes as well as munching a ball, Malik with his political groupings more than 5 years back, Younis who consistently blackmailed the PCB into getting him selected in ODI's only to realise he was not cut out for the format at all, Kamran Akmal and the 2010 Sydney Test, Nasir Jamshed cheating in an English exam, Moin Khan going to a casino (I can go on and on!).

All in all, Aamir deserves to have redemption for his cricketing career and to win the hearts of cricket lovers all over the world. He should not be made as an example of what he did 5 years ago.
 
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Any update on where this feud is heading? Also, is anyone aware what Azhar Ali's detailed stance on this is? Like what are the demands that he is standing up for.

Does he want Amir to not be included in the team as long as he is playing or he wants an elongated period of punishment.
 
Heylo People of the PakPassionVerse

Any update on where this feud is heading? Also, is anyone aware what Azhar Ali's detailed stance on this is? Like what are the demands that he is standing up for.

Does he want Amir to not be included in the team as long as he is playing or he wants an elongated period of punishment.

Currently Chairman is meeting with AA and Hafeez, so let's expect something good.
 
Well they are not doing themselves any good by missing out on training camps.
 
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