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'Babar Azam and Mohammad Rizwan are not going to win Pakistan tournaments': Aaqib Javed

Mohammad Hafeez making a similar point to the press:

"I have said this before as well, Babar and Rizwan are the number one pair for Pakistan. They have helped Pakistan cricket win and grow. But if there is anything both players can improve upon, it is intent"

"You can be less successful, less consistent, but more impactful. This was the idea behind my statement."

"How is it possible for you to consume the 6-over powerplay and still score 60-65 in the first 10 overs? Then the demand is on the middle-order to play with 12 NRR to push the score to a challenging total. This seems unfair to me"
 
I think Rizwan should bat in lower middler-order in T20 format (like he used to do before).

Babar can open with Fakhar or another attacking opener.
 
"How is it possible for you to consume the 6-over powerplay and still score 60-65 in the first 10 overs? Then the demand is on the middle-order to play with 12 NRR to push the score to a challenging total. This seems unfair to me"
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Spot on.

A bigger problem if your middle order isn't that great too.

T20I batting is about attack and playing for the team, not for your average.
 
MenInG said:
Mohammad Hafeez making a similar point to the press:

"I have said this before as well, Babar and Rizwan are the number one pair for Pakistan. They have helped Pakistan cricket win and grow. But if there is anything both players can improve upon, it is intent"

"You can be less successful, less consistent, but more impactful. This was the idea behind my statement."

"How is it possible for you to consume the 6-over powerplay and still score 60-65 in the first 10 overs? Then the demand is on the middle-order to play with 12 NRR to push the score to a challenging total. This seems unfair to me"
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Agreed with hafeez. But it's ironic coming for a guy who only started to show intent in last 4 years of his career.
 
Aqib seemed really disappointed with both of them. Even said they average higher because teams don't want to get them out as they are harmless.
 
Babar responded to Aaqib in his presser

"Everyone has their own opinion, we don't think about what people are saying"

"We don't let such things come inside the team. Being an ex-player, they should understand all of this situation. There shouldn't be personal attack,"
 
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MenInG said:
Babar responded to Aaqib in his presser

"Everyone has their own opinion, we don't think about what people are saying"

"We don't let such things come inside the team. Being a player, they should understand all of this situation. There shouldn't be personal attack,"
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Good on Babar that he and the boys are not paying the comments much attention. It was incredibly low of Aqib Javed to say that they intentionally don’t get Babar out in the PSL. I don’t know how that man still retains his job. Useless coach and even worse analyst who you’d scarcely believe is 50 years old based on his behaviour
 
shady said:
Good on Babar that he and the boys are not paying the comments much attention. It was incredibly low of Aqib Javed to say that they intentionally don’t get Babar out in the PSL. I don’t know how that man still retains his job. Useless coach and even worse analyst who you’d scarcely believe is 50 years old based on his behaviour
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This is what they have always done

And now they are paying the price for their negligence
 
Just watch out how buttler n co. Will shame them in terms of power hitting and high voltage cricket
 
Rana said:
This is what they have always done

And now they are paying the price for their negligence
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There’s criticism worth listening to and then there’s what Mr.Javed said. People like that should only be ignored lest they drag you down to their level.
 
shady said:
There’s criticism worth listening to and then there’s what Mr.Javed said. People like that should only be ignored lest they drag you down to their level.
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2+2 is 4 no matter who says it.

Aqib is one of the brave few who will say it.
 
Ahmed216 said:
These two are looking to deliver consistent performances in a format that demands impact more than consistency. The format requires more madness than method. Quick 25-30 is a lot better than a 50 ball 60. If all batsmen come out swinging 2-3 will click and that’s enough. Example is SL innings in the Final.

Babar and Rizwan need to play the format the way it should be. Throw caution to the winds.It boils my blood to see juicy half volleys being blocked in the PP, balls that can easily be lofted for 4 or 6
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Example also is not correct, there was a 70+ innings in the final from sri lanka. Remove that innings and you can see the difference. Come out of those 25
-30 runs players. In t20s also you need someone to score those 60-70s, all batsmans can't chip in with those 20-30s always, that not realistic.
 
Marooned said:
Was blown away by this. Babar's numbers just ridiculous.


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[MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION] won't like to see his guy Sharjeel behind Babar in terms of strike rate.

It was never a competion as far as consistency is concerned, but it's good to see that Babar has been wiping the floor with that obese fixer in terms of strike rate as well.
 
Waleed93 said:
[MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION] won't like to see his guy Sharjeel behind Babar in terms of strike rate.

It was never a competion as far as consistency is concerned, but it's good to see that Babar has been wiping the floor with that obese fixer in terms of strike rate as well.
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Talk about aa bail mujhe maar comments

We will see Babar’s sr once he has also played 38 games in the National cup. That’s another 3 seasons if he is fully available.
 
Rana said:
Talk about aa bail mujhe maar comments

We will see Babar’s sr once he has also played 38 games in the National cup. That’s another 3 seasons if he is fully available.
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You kept moaning about how Sharjeel is doing wonders in the current National T20 Cup, despite the fact that Saim is doing much better than him in terms of runs and big hitting as well, but all you can see is that fixer scoring some flukey runs.

Anyway, I just showed you the simple fact that Babar not only has almost as many runs as that fixer in the tournament since 2019, he also scored those runs with 17 innings less than the fixer, at a much higher strike rate.

Him playing 38 games won't change much. You will not see the Asia Cup 2022 kind of Babar Azam all the time.
 
Waleed93 said:
You kept moaning about how Sharjeel is doing wonders in the current National T20 Cup, despite the fact that Saim is doing much better than him in terms of runs and big hitting as well, but all you can see is that fixer scoring some flukey runs.

Anyway, I just showed you the simple fact that Babar not only has almost as many runs as that fixer in the tournament since 2019, he also scored those runs with 17 innings less than the fixer, at a much higher strike rate.

Him playing 38 games won't change much. You will not see the Asia Cup 2022 kind of Babar Azam all the time.
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Babar has a T20 sr of 125 and Sharjeel is 140. Go and look it up. Don’t embarrass yourself by arguing Babar is a more explosive T20 opener than Sharjeel :))
 
Rana said:
Babar has a T20 sr of 125 and Sharjeel is 140. Go and look it up. Don’t embarrass yourself by arguing Babar is a more explosive T20 opener than Sharjeel :))
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Just goes to show what we saw was a fine example of stats without context in reference to Sharjeel's inferior numbers in National T20 cup.

This can be easily explained.

Babar is a terrific batsman but in international cricket he hasn't fulfilled his talent for a few reasons that I can think of from the top of my head.

1. Babar lacks confidence under the spotlight. This explains why his strike rate is under 130 in T20Is when really it should be at a bit higher than that.

2. He plays for his stats (average and milestones). He's slowed down on numerous occasions when nearing a 50 or 100

3. He's crumbles when the stakes are high. He can't be trusted to deliver in a semi-final or final.
 
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Babar during his presser answering critics including Aaqib:

He might think that. Everyone has their own point of view. Everyone has their own opinion, we do not listen to them. We don't bring the outside chatter inside the dressing room. Everyone has their point of view, you can talk about things, but as ex-players you have also witnessed all this in sport. Every player has gone through it, there is so much pressure and responsibility. There shouldn't be personal attacks, it isn't just about me, I am talking about the entire team. You can have normal discussion, we do not listen to what people are saying. It doesn't matter
 
Babar is an innings builder. Expecting him to bat like Jos Butler, Chris Gayle is unfair. Rizwan is also an innings builder. From time to time they can explode. But by nature they are innings builders. Reliable one at that. If Pakistan wants a dasher upfront they have to create a pinch hitter out of the remaining players or give Fakhar the freedom at the risk of more than a few failures.
 
At the very least, even if these two are to stay as openers, there is nothing wrong with criticising their approach.

When you are scoring 40 runs in the power play something is not working. They should either change their approach or be able to pivot and change things around.

What is very disappointing is that every time this team positively surprise you, they then for no apparent reason go back to old strategies that never worked or are likely to work.

The promotion of Nawaz against india was an excellent counter to the slow start. When that worked, why did they not use that in the final and went back to Iftikhar? Honestly, the final seemed like a benefit match for Iftikhar. Don’t quite know what was going on.
 
When both babar and rizwan clicks in the same match then their is no runrate issue, but the problem starts when one of them gets out cheeply. The other one is just left with fakhar who himself is inconsistent and after that its the long tail with bits and pieces players. For being them attacking throughout the innings they need some covering from the middle order which is not there. When these two started opening together in t20s at that time hafeez was in a great form in the middle order and then there was fakhar and malik still to come who were not consistent but they have the reputation. So, at that time they still have faith that if they gets out early, their is hafeez, fakhar and malik still to come. But the current middle order have batsmans like khushdil and asif on whom pakistan does not even have faith to send them ahead of their allrounders shadab, ifti and nawaz when they are in trouble.
 
Jazx said:
When both babar and rizwan clicks in the same match then their is no runrate issue, but the problem starts when one of them gets out cheeply. The other one is just left with fakhar who himself is inconsistent and after that its the long tail with bits and pieces players. For being them attacking throughout the innings they need some covering from the middle order which is not there. When these two started opening together in t20s at that time hafeez was in a great form in the middle order and then there was fakhar and malik still to come who were not consistent but they have the reputation. So, at that time they still have faith that if they gets out early, their is hafeez, fakhar and malik still to come. But the current middle order have batsmans like khushdil and asif on whom pakistan does not even have faith to send them ahead of their allrounders shadab, ifti and nawaz when they are in trouble.
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Good point, the same middle order keeps getting picked despite doing nothing. Yet we still have posters here feverishly defending them. Iftikhar the massive age fudger needs to be dropped for good as his reflexes are gone.

Khushdil needs to start getting his act together. Asif just seems to be taking up a space but expectations are too high in him while Riz and Babar bat along like turtles. Classic case of “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results."
 
MenInG said:
Babar during his presser answering critics including Aaqib:

He might think that. Everyone has their own point of view. Everyone has their own opinion, we do not listen to them. We don't bring the outside chatter inside the dressing room. Everyone has their point of view, you can talk about things, but as ex-players you have also witnessed all this in sport. Every player has gone through it, there is so much pressure and responsibility. There shouldn't be personal attacks, it isn't just about me, I am talking about the entire team. You can have normal discussion, we do not listen to what people are saying. It doesn't matter
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Sound like George Bush when he said we don't listen to public opinion. Same level of delusion, except it's just a stupid sport not war.
 
Anis Shivani said:
Sound like George Bush when he said we don't listen to public opinion. Same level of delusion, except it's just a stupid sport not war.
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They are entitled to no have to listen.

However, they are not entitled to hold onto power if they are clearly incapable of using it for the benefit of the country and not their personal benefit.
 
Rana said:
They are entitled to no have to listen.

However, they are not entitled to hold onto power if they are clearly incapable of using it for the benefit of the country and not their personal benefit.
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Yeah, if they think they can pull the wool over our eyes by batting for 15 overs (showing stability lol) but with sr of 110 while losing us the match, they've got another thing coming!

Here's hoping they go helter skelter today.
 
Kroll said:
Yeah, if they think they can pull the wool over our eyes by batting for 15 overs (showing stability lol) but with sr of 110 while losing us the match, they've got another thing coming!

Here's hoping they go helter skelter today.
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Knowing this management, they will not change their ways.

They will bowl first if they win the toss. Do their best to restrict below 160 and go their merry way as usual.

Babar will score a 44 ball 60* and the supporters of this combo will be raving all night long
 
topspin said:
Just goes to show what we saw was a fine example of stats without context in reference to Sharjeel's inferior numbers in National T20 cup.

This can be easily explained.

Babar is a terrific batsman but in international cricket he hasn't fulfilled his talent for a few reasons that I can think of from the top of my head.

1. Babar lacks confidence under the spotlight. This explains why his strike rate is under 130 in T20Is when really it should be at a bit higher than that.

2. He plays for his stats (average and milestones). He's slowed down on numerous occasions when nearing a 50 or 100

3. He's crumbles when the stakes are high. He can't be trusted to deliver in a semi-final or final.
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Main reason he’s not good enough in tournament knockouts to score quickly enough as the opposition are at full strength and playing with full intensity not something teams do in bilaterals as they rest players regularly.

This is where Babar and Rizwan have created a false perception they can score quickly as doing so on flat wickets against weak bowling is different to the World Cup against the best teams.

This will be the third time they will cost Pakistan in a tournament which will be the end of Babar as captain and Saqlain as coach as such ignorance to good advise and doing the same things without success will ultimately be their and most importantly Pakistan’s downfall.
 
MenInG said:
Better intent by Pakistan openers today.
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Pitch matters a lot. Babar and Rizwan will struggle on UAE sluggish wickets but will be fine on good Pakistani and Indian batting pitches.
 
They still look a lot better than that awful middle order. If Babar and Rizwan don't win the games, none of the others looks up to it. Mostly just blind sloggers with no finesse at all.
 
I’m his biggest critic here but one thing I can admit

The man does his best. If his best isn’t good enough, that’s another question

But he is doing the best he can with whatever limited ability he has.
 
Rana said:
I’m his biggest critic here but one thing I can admit

The man does his best. If his best isn’t good enough, that’s another question

But he is doing the best he can with whatever limited ability he has.
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Which man?
 
Slim said:
Which man?
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Rizwan.

I have no shame in admitting that.

Babar on the other hand, he is not justifying his ability at all. I have no doubt Babar can bat like Rohit, KL if he gives up his fascination of milestones
 
Rana said:
Rizwan.

I have no shame in admitting that.

Babar on the other hand, he is not justifying his ability at all. I have no doubt Babar can bat like Rohit, KL if he gives up his fascination of milestones
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:sree

Dair aye durast aye somewhat.

Babar was showing fantastic intent tbh. Was playing with a S/R of 200.
 
Slim said:
:sree

Dair aye durast aye somewhat.

Babar was showing fantastic intent tbh. Was playing with a S/R of 200.
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It doesn’t mean I think this is the best opening combination in Pakistan. I’m just accepting it for ‘it is what it is’.

Babar slowed down for no reason.

He was 20 off 10…and then 28 off 20. Why? He started looking for his dab down singles against a pretty weak England fast bowling attack.
 
Openers batted with an strike rate of 141 much better today. The problem has always been the middle order they cant bat to save their lives. Need to try Haris and Aamer in middle in the next game or two.
 
The openers set us up for a 200+ total and again, the amateur level middle order crumbles.

What we saw in the Asia Cup was an anomaly where both Babar and Rizwan failed to score and score at a decent rate.

What we saw today was what we have been witnessing since 2 years where atleast one of these two goes big and as soon as one of them gets out, the talentless bunch that follows is exposed....

...and to think that some posters here want more such hacks to open the innings. LOL.
 
Waleed93 said:
The openers set us up for a 200+ total and again, the amateur level middle order crumbles.

What we saw in the Asia Cup was an anomaly where both Babar and Rizwan failed to score and score at a decent rate.

What we saw today was what we have been witnessing since 2 years where atleast one of these two goes big and as soon as one of them gets out, the talentless bunch that follows is exposed....

...and to think that some posters here want more such hacks to open the innings. LOL.
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Just seen highlights of the Australian batting. To be fair, wouldn't mind a hack like Cameron Green or even someone like Wade at the top of the order to give that turbo boost right from the start.
 
Rana said:
It doesn’t mean I think this is the best opening combination in Pakistan. I’m just accepting it for ‘it is what it is’.

Babar slowed down for no reason.

He was 20 off 10…and then 28 off 20. Why? He started looking for his dab down singles against a pretty weak England fast bowling attack.
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Agreed.

Australia weren't scored to change things up, they went with raw power in Green, that was an amazing watch, just what you want to see in a T20 game. Nudging and nurdling the ball around with the occasional six is fine but what you saw with Aus approach is the difference between these mediocre scores of 160/170 and reaching 200+.

Green isn't anything special, just a big brute who was given license to go out and do his thing. I get the impression we over analyse things or just brave enough to mix things up a bit.
 
Babar and Rizwan as openers is the root cause of Pakistan's failure. With these 2 openers Pakistan cannot look scoring past 150 while other teams are looking for scoring past 200. You need dashing openers like Sharjeel and Fakhar and at least one of them clicking for 200+ score.
 
Kroll said:
Agreed.

Australia weren't scored to change things up, they went with raw power in Green, that was an amazing watch, just what you want to see in a T20 game. Nudging and nurdling the ball around with the occasional six is fine but what you saw with Aus approach is the difference between these mediocre scores of 160/170 and reaching 200+.

Green isn't anything special, just a big brute who was given license to go out and do his thing. I get the impression we over analyse things or just brave enough to mix things up a bit.
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Green absolutely bludgeoned Yadav in the 2nd over of the innings!

Why? Because he WANTED to. Yadav didn’t ask to be smashed like that, it was Green who was intent on laying the law down against him. Now Green has played an innings which will never be forgotten! He didn’t play the innings as if it could be the greatest opportunity to cement his place as an opener by making sure he scores a 50, the man just wanted to keep swinging for the fences because that’s what was needed chasing 210!

If Babar and Rizwan want to do the same to any bowler, they can! Try it and see if fortune favours the brave! Try and get that 45 ball hundred and shut your critics up!
 
srh said:
Babar and Rizwan as openers is the root cause of Pakistan's failure. With these 2 openers Pakistan cannot look scoring past 150 while other teams are looking for scoring past 200. You need dashing openers like Sharjeel and Fakhar and at least one of them clicking for 200+ score.
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Lol Fakhar was just dropped for barely being able to connect a ball and your other solution is a fat fixer who couldn't even bash domestic bowlers while all the big boys were at the Asia Cup.

Even if they hit one century, how are we going to find the other 100 in 10 overs? Pakistan is not a 200+ side right now. But they are capable of defending 150/160. What does it make more sense to target?

You can keep living in your fantasy land that Sharjeel and Fakhar will magically get 300 off 20 overs (like Haider was supposed to today...lol) but you have nothing to support your argument but pure emotion.
 
Problem is our opening batsmen have no intent in hitting sixes and our middle order has nothing but to hit sixes.
I would really like to know Babar’s strike rate outside power play, if he is a good leader he will realize soon that he needs to bat at #3 to make middle order stronger possibly give Shan Masood or fakhar Zaman a go at the top of the order
 
Rizwan is without a doubt the best T20 batsman in the world currently.
 
Mohammad Rizwan in his presser:

“Dekho, mujhe toh nahi pata kaun behes kar raha hai hampe. Mujhe inn cheezo ka nahi pata. Doosri baat, jo bhi hampe behes kar raha hai usko Allah khair de. Kyunki vo sirf hamaare liye nahi, poore Pakistan ke liye soch raha hai. (see, I don't know who is debating about us. This is the first thing. Secondly, even if someone is doing that, may Allah bless him. Because he's not just thinking about me or Babar, he's thinking about the whole Pakistan team),"

“I don't know if it's the former players or the media, but may Allah bless them. But I want to say one thing. To whoever is debating about us, if any of us, the players, is not playing with complete honesty towards Pakistan, he will face dishonour. Whoever is talking about us, if he is doing that out of spite, then he will face dishonour as well. Being honest is our biggest priority,"

“They are thinking the best about Pakistan, and we are trying our best as well. I also make mistakes, and I try to do better than that. The captain also tries to improve, everyone does"

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...ite-he-ll-face-dishonour-101663730173331.html
 
Hitman said:
Rizwan is without a doubt the best T20 batsman in the world currently.
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Yup, his strike rate since opening is 132 at an average of 52. If Chris Gayle is regarded as a beast T20 opener with a career strike rate of 137 then like Rizwan said in the presser yesterday, if fans are saying whatever they say about Rizwan out of agenda or spite then they will be dishonoured eventually because it most certainly isnt for the betterment of this T20 team. It isn't even legitimate or constructive criticism. It's literally to drop your #1 T20 batsman or bat him at #5 where he averages 10.
 
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Mohammad Rizwan in his presser:

“Dekho, mujhe toh nahi pata kaun behes kar raha hai hampe. Mujhe inn cheezo ka nahi pata. Doosri baat, jo bhi hampe behes kar raha hai usko Allah khair de. Kyunki vo sirf hamaare liye nahi, poore Pakistan ke liye soch raha hai. (see, I don't know who is debating about us. This is the first thing. Secondly, even if someone is doing that, may Allah bless him. Because he's not just thinking about me or Babar, he's thinking about the whole Pakistan team),"

“I don't know if it's the former players or the media, but may Allah bless them. But I want to say one thing. To whoever is debating about us, if any of us, the players, is not playing with complete honesty towards Pakistan, he will face dishonour. Whoever is talking about us, if he is doing that out of spite, then he will face dishonour as well. Being honest is our biggest priority,"

“They are thinking the best about Pakistan, and we are trying our best as well. I also make mistakes, and I try to do better than that. The captain also tries to improve, everyone does"
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Motivational and pious words from the Righteous. :apology
 
MenInG said:
Mohammad Rizwan in his presser:

“Dekho, mujhe toh nahi pata kaun behes kar raha hai hampe. Mujhe inn cheezo ka nahi pata. Doosri baat, jo bhi hampe behes kar raha hai usko Allah khair de. Kyunki vo sirf hamaare liye nahi, poore Pakistan ke liye soch raha hai. (see, I don't know who is debating about us. This is the first thing. Secondly, even if someone is doing that, may Allah bless him. Because he's not just thinking about me or Babar, he's thinking about the whole Pakistan team),"

“I don't know if it's the former players or the media, but may Allah bless them. But I want to say one thing. To whoever is debating about us, if any of us, the players, is not playing with complete honesty towards Pakistan, he will face dishonour. Whoever is talking about us, if he is doing that out of spite, then he will face dishonour as well. Being honest is our biggest priority,"

“They are thinking the best about Pakistan, and we are trying our best as well. I also make mistakes, and I try to do better than that. The captain also tries to improve, everyone does"

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...ite-he-ll-face-dishonour-101663730173331.html
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Brother Rizwan, my Allah knows that I criticise you and Babar 100% for the sake of Pakistan’s improvement

But I don’t ever believe or wish Zillat on you.
 
GudduBadmash said:
Yup, his strike rate since opening is 132 at an average of 52. If Chris Gayle is regarded as a beast T20 opener with a career strike rate of 137 then like Rizwan said in the presser yesterday, if fans are saying whatever they say about Rizwan out of agenda or spite then they will be dishonoured eventually because it most certainly isnt for the betterment of this T20 team. It isn't even legitimate or constructive criticism. It's literally to drop your #1 T20 batsman or bat him at #5 where he averages 10.
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Rizwan has an average of 65 as opener. He scores 51 runs every innings on average as an opener if we exclude not outs.

Rizwan scores more as an opener than both Sharjeel and Fakhar combined and on top of that he scores at almost the same SR as them.
 
Hextro said:
Rizwan has an average of 65 as opener. He scores 51 runs every innings on average as an opener if we exclude not outs.

Rizwan scores more as an opener than both Sharjeel and Fakhar combined and on top of that he scores at almost the same SR as them.
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Lol

So Rizwan is twice the player Sharjeel and Fakhar are :)))
 
Hextro said:
Rizwan has an average of 65 as opener. He scores 51 runs every innings on average as an opener if we exclude not outs.

Rizwan scores more as an opener than both Sharjeel and Fakhar combined and on top of that he scores at almost the same SR as them.
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Bairstow averages 27 and Roy averages 24 as T20i openers

Rizwan is a better player than both of them combined :)))
 
Rana said:
Bairstow averages 27 and Roy averages 24 as T20i openers

Rizwan is a better player than both of them combined :)))
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Are you trying to compare Sharjeel and Fakhar with Bairstow and Roy? No wonder you want those two hacks in the team.

Roy and Bairstow would be better on a flat pitch and Rizwan would be better on a difficult pitch. Not to mention that both Roy and Bairstow are brilliant fielders.

[video]https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1570422320346419201/pu/vid/1280x592/kJAFXDEY2talNgjH.mp4?tag=12[/video]

In this video, Sharjeel falls down and rolls over while trying to take a simple catch. Sharjeel has gotten as fat as Azam Khan now. There's no doubt that he will drop catches and concede boundaries if he plays for Pakistan. Fakhar is also facing difficulties with his fielding albeit he isn't as bad as Sharjeel.
 
Hextro said:
Are you trying to compare Sharjeel and Fakhar with Bairstow and Roy? No wonder you want those two hacks in the team.

Roy and Bairstow would be better on a flat pitch and Rizwan would be better on a difficult pitch. Not to mention that both Roy and Bairstow are brilliant fielders.

[video]https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1570422320346419201/pu/vid/1280x592/kJAFXDEY2talNgjH.mp4?tag=12[/video]

In this video, Sharjeel falls down and rolls over while trying to take a simple catch. Sharjeel has gotten as fat as Azam Khan now. There's no doubt that he will drop catches and concede boundaries if he plays for Pakistan. Fakhar is also facing difficulties with his fielding albeit he isn't as bad as Sharjeel.
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Yes I am

I understand cricket. You clearly don’t.

Sharjeel and Fakhar are proper white ball players for modern requirements. Two of the best in Pakistan.
 
Rana said:
Yes I am

I understand cricket. You clearly don’t.

Sharjeel and Fakhar are proper white ball players for modern requirements. Two of the best in Pakistan.
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Both have failed consistently and will continue to fail. Sharjeel can't even dominate in the domestics yet to expect him to dominate in internationals. So much for "I understand cricket".

In 2021 Sharjeel was given the opportunity to open with Rizwan in three matches.

In those three matches, Sharjeel scored 46 runs off 43 balls(SR 107), and Rizwan scored 137 off 97 balls(SR 141.2).

Add to that dropped catches and misfields by Sharjeel in those matches
 
sharjeel is unfit and a liability on the field. NO WAY a player should be picked because he can do a pretty 22 on 17 balls in a power play.
 
Rana said:
Yes I am

I understand cricket. You clearly don’t.

Sharjeel and Fakhar are proper white ball players for modern requirements. Two of the best in Pakistan.
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Both Sharjeel and Fakhar have minor improvements in S/R opening but with horrible averages compared to Ris. Fakhar is a class player but he simply isn’t suited to T20’s his style of play, he practically opened in that game against Hong Kong and Ris outperformed him.

Sharjeel is better served considering plus sized modelling and not professional sport unless it involves being a phat phuckstard and eating kebabs, he had serious potential but zero professionalism, you seem to magnetise towards these guys but Fakhar is a guy I like and I just don’t see him as a T20 guy, he is someone who I’d consider at the top however.
 
Rana said:
Bairstow averages 27 and Roy averages 24 as T20i openers

Rizwan is a better player than both of them combined :)))
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Bairstow and Roy are England ATG’s already, and on their way to being among the best ever, harsh to compare Ris with those guys, only Babar as a talent compares with those guys and in some ways Fakhar. Besides those guys despite some of the limitations, which Roy or Bairstow is waiting on the bench in Pakistan :yk
 
Aaqib should watch cricket a bit more.

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Like i have always said, Aqib Javed is an absolute clown. A total joke. Disgusting, vile, opportunistic man. Taken to the cleaners once again. Hes not even fit to tie the shoe laces of Babar and Rizwan. And those who echo his opinions are equally worse.
 
The openers have been set for eons, one of them is the captain, the other the keeper. We have decent spinners in Shadab and Nawaz and decent pacers in Haris, Naseem, Shaheen. The selectors literally had one job to do: fix the middle order. They ended up retaining Khushdil, Asif, Iftikhar and the full-toss spinner, brought in another accumulator in Shan, and the pseudo-allrounder made a comeback despite Hasnain already being in the squad.
 
Good response to the critics. But if they played with this approach all the time then they wouldn’t have any critics.

The criticism was warranted and now the praise is warranted for this innings.
 
Form is temporary Class is permanent

Babar and Rizwan need to do this batting first too Loosen the shackles n go for it

Dont worry about the middle order Your good enough to do this more often than not
 
The target should always been the middle order which is a big big weak link but these clowns went for the best players in the world LOL
 
Lol. This is why I defended Rizwan and Babar as openers. They may be flawed, but this is the best limited overs partnership for Pakistan I have ever seen in my lifetime. It is unreal how consistent they are getting a platform at a decent SR, they do this better than any other batsmen in the world right now.

If you looked at England today what did their openers do? They put up a platform at not even a great SR which their middle order capitalised on. Rizwan and Babar bat around a SR of 130. It is a myth that these middle order batsmen have to hit from ball one and given no time, particularly the person who plays at no.3. Otherwise guys like Iftikhar, Khushdil etc wouldn't have such low SRs. The issue is these middle order batsmen are really poor at playing themselves in at the crease, their technique is bad and that's why they get out cheaply. It's also why Iftikhar has a halfway decent average despite him not being that great, because he is at least a proper batsman who can do this. Guys like Asif, Khushdil, even Fakhar to an extent can't properly rotate strike and play themselves in. Which is fine, they are more hitter type batsmen, but blaming Rizwan and Babar for their failures is not fair, especially when they are batting at a respectable SR of 130 or so, rarely are they dropping anchor and going sub 100 SR like some others.
 
For future reference: If ever your opinion is inline with someone like Aqib Javed. You need to question yourself.
 
Madplayer said:
Many people are diagnosing the problem wrongly.

The approach of Babar and Rizwan has worked more often that not and there is no reason to separate this opening pair.

Most people dont realise that it was not because of their usual approach that Pakistan lost the Asia cup final and also played poorly in the opening overs in some other matches of the tournament.

It was in fact due to them NOT being able to implement their usual approach in those games.

One massive reason for it is Babar's collosal failure in every single game. Also, in the final, you'll have to give credit to Srilankan bowlers as well.

Overall, the opening pair should be the least of your concerns.

The middle and lower middle order is where the real problems are.
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Vindicated yet again
 
Rana said:
Green absolutely bludgeoned Yadav in the 2nd over of the innings!

Why? Because he WANTED to. Yadav didn’t ask to be smashed like that, it was Green who was intent on laying the law down against him. Now Green has played an innings which will never be forgotten! He didn’t play the innings as if it could be the greatest opportunity to cement his place as an opener by making sure he scores a 50, the man just wanted to keep swinging for the fences because that’s what was needed chasing 210!

If Babar and Rizwan want to do the same to any bowler, they can! Try it and see if fortune favours the brave! Try and get that 45 ball hundred and shut your critics up!
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Green is an exceptional hitter.

Rizwan and Babar trying play like Green would be sheer stupidity.
 
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