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Babar Azam and Mohammad Rizwan innings in winning causes...

MenInG said:
Bit surprised about this stat, especially since both players get a lot of stick about statpadding etc?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1746547722293825946
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Bring them back as the opening pair for the ICC T20I World Cup 2024. I don't understand why the management is not grasping the simple concept that changing the opening pair just ahead of the World Cup is foolish.
 
What a sorry looking top 5 that is !!

Except Kohli, everyone else is a grade A statpadder of soft runs.
 
Always said that they actually contribute more to wins not less. It’s pretty simple why. They consistently get an opening platform. Which reduces the effect on run rate and pressure of falling wickets. There issue is accelerating at the end which is what unfortunately most of our players can not do bar fakhar, or can not stay in long enough to do so. There’s a reason why Rizwan especially racked up so many man of the match awards in a relatively short time. And his average in wins is very high. Even chasing higher scores, I remember that 200 or so total we chased, we have been better. Before them we were struggling to even last 20 overs.

It’s also part of the reason why we lost the last two matches. No opening platform to build on. Creates too much pressure on the middle order batsmen. Usually it’s the openers who average more than the middle order at a lower sr in most teams, with the middle order with higher SR but lower averages. Rizwan should have done better last two T20s, get something on the board to build with.
 
This is false.

Winning against 3rd string attacks doesn't create legacies but myths.

The argument you can only play what's in front of you would make sense if the results could be extrapolated at international level vs first string attacks especially at T20 World Cup.

But when you consistently flop at the World Stage, there is no point hitting 3rd string attacks and building personal averages of 50.

People don't get simple statistics.

Babar started at 24 off 12 balls and then slowed to 44 off 33 balls while chasing 200 runs.

You can't stagnate the innings in the middle and hit those pretty 50s and fool fans that you tried.

That rough period when Fakhar got out and Babar also went into his shell cost Pakistan the match.

And Babar and Rizwan will keep losing Pakistan more if they open against top class attacks because their inherent nature is to block good balls and max chase is 180.
 
We know they have good stats . But were they impactful ? Both failed miserably in last wt20
 
Dr_Bassim said:
This is false.

Winning against 3rd string attacks doesn't create legacies but myths.

The argument you can only play what's in front of you would make sense if the results could be extrapolated at international level vs first string attacks especially at T20 World Cup.

But when you consistently flop at the World Stage, there is no point hitting 3rd string attacks and building personal averages of 50.

People don't get simple statistics.

Babar started at 24 off 12 balls and then slowed to 44 off 33 balls while chasing 200 runs.

You can't stagnate the innings in the middle and hit those pretty 50s and fool fans that you tried.

That rough period when Fakhar got out and Babar also went into his shell cost Pakistan the match.

And Babar and Rizwan will keep losing Pakistan more if they open against top class attacks because their inherent nature is to block good balls and max chase is 180.
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Babar scored 23 ball 23 runs in middle while chasing 200. I did not see the match, but going by stats posted here.

That's not good.
 
Buffet said:
Babar scored 23 ball 23 runs in middle while chasing 200. I did not see the match, but going by stats posted here.

That's not good.
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Tbf, we lost 3 quick wickets of Fakhar, Ifthikar and Azam Khan…that wouldn’t have helped.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
This is false.

Winning against 3rd string attacks doesn't create legacies but myths.

The argument you can only play what's in front of you would make sense if the results could be extrapolated at international level vs first string attacks especially at T20 World Cup.

But when you consistently flop at the World Stage, there is no point hitting 3rd string attacks and building personal averages of 50.

People don't get simple statistics.

Babar started at 24 off 12 balls and then slowed to 44 off 33 balls while chasing 200 runs.

You can't stagnate the innings in the middle and hit those pretty 50s and fool fans that you tried.

That rough period when Fakhar got out and Babar also went into his shell cost Pakistan the match.

And Babar and Rizwan will keep losing Pakistan more if they open against top class attacks because their inherent nature is to block good balls and max chase is 180.
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WC, all teams play their first choice.

T20 - WC stats sorted by SR in the last 10 years - 300 runs cut off.

Babar avg is 35 with SR of 115. Rizwan is lightly better.

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YousafTheBeast said:
Tbf, we lost 3 quick wickets of Fakhar, Ifthikar and Azam Khan…that wouldn’t have helped.
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Yah, then it make sense.

Anyway, Babar is rarely a main person in big chase. He does not have the game for it. Most of the times, he goes below asking rate and others have to compensate then only Pakistan can win while chasing big runs. He is very good when chasing 150-160. His playing style suites this kind of target.
 
This is why I respect Baseball.

Simplistic and misleading stat like OP will fool no one in that sport. Cricket continues to be a statistics backwater.
 
Buffet said:
Yah, then it make sense.

Anyway, Babar is rarely a main person in big chase. He does not have the game for it. Most of the times, he goes below asking rate and others have to compensate then only Pakistan can win while chasing big runs. He is very good when chasing 150-160. His playing style suites this kind of target.
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So he is a very average player. How often do you chase around 150 these days?

Even in big run chases his SR is below the RRR most of the times.
 
pakistani pride said:
So he is a very average player. How often do you chase around 150 these days?

Even in big run chases his SR is below the RRR most of the times.
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He is not a top tier batsman in T20. You can easily come up with 10-15 names who will walk into any side before Babar.

Having said that, Pakistan needs to build team with players they have. Opening spot was surely a waste with some one like Babar coming. That's the easiest time to score in T20 and he did not have the game for it. I think one down is better for him.
 
Simple.
It's 20 overs, get your best batsmen to face as many deliveries as possible
 
Rana said:
Yeah I mean I’m baffled as to why India bat Kohli at 3
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False equivalence fallacy.

Kohli bats at 3 because he wins games for India single handedly while batting at 3.

Babar should bat at number 3 but not because Kohli bats at 3.

Babar should bat at 3 because there is nowhere else you can hide him where he doesnt become a liability. Sort of like Kane Williamson batting at 3 because there is no other place for him.

Both of them should not be playing T20s for their respective countries. However, Kane gets the nod for his captaincy skills and Babar gets the nod for his soothing cover drive.

The cycle will repeat until we find someone better than Babar at 3.

Till then I dont mind status quo but these hyperboles about him being best in the world are cringeworthy.
 
should had been them both opening. But they decided to ruin what was working, to further wreck what wasnt working.
 
Major said:
should had been them both opening. But they decided to ruin what was working, to further wreck what wasnt working.
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It was working beautifully against the likes of Nepal, Cayman Islands etc, yes.

But flopped when it mattered in the t20 WC when instead of B and C string, everyone played full strength sides.

Hence the change 😊
 
Suleiman said:
It was working beautifully against the likes of Nepal, Cayman Islands etc, yes.

But flopped when it mattered in the t20 WC when instead of B and C string, everyone played full strength sides.

Hence the change 😊
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In the World Cup we got to the final. They performed in the semi final to knock out New Zealand.

They aren’t fantastic but they are miles better than the rest.

They have their flaws. But we can’t be the best in the world with only two good batsmen. Other teams have lots of good batsmen in their line up.

The rest of our batsmen can’t even score against the b string sides let alone at the World Cup. This is the biggest issue. I don’t think magically changing the opening will get even our mediocre batsmen to suddenly perform.

Rate them or not, they were the strongest part of our batting line up. I think Saim will come good but there’s no guarantee or how long it will take. And if it doesn’t we’ve kind of weakened ourselves, a performing opening pair is the foundation of any batting line up in LOI.
 
ads101 said:
In the World Cup we got to the final. They performed in the semi final to knock out New Zealand.

They aren’t fantastic but they are miles better than the rest.

They have their flaws. But we can’t be the best in the world with only two good batsmen. Other teams have lots of good batsmen in their line up.

The rest of our batsmen can’t even score against the b string sides let alone at the World Cup. This is the biggest issue. I don’t think magically changing the opening will get even our mediocre batsmen to suddenly perform.

Rate them or not, they were the strongest part of our batting line up. I think Saim will come good but there’s no guarantee or how long it will take. And if it doesn’t we’ve kind of weakened ourselves, a performing opening pair is the foundation of any batting line up in LOI.
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We got to the finals due to nothing from them. The bowlers set up the semi final chase Vs NZ, but let’s say they did- for all the hype and hoo ha that was going on about them right before the WC, them being #1 and #2 ranked t20 batsmen in the ICC rankings, that is all they could do while getting completely owned in every other game in the WC.

That is pathetic and completely exposed them and made them look like statpadders who farm b and c attacks of top teams during random t20 series in the year and/or associate sides but then go missing when the real tournament starts.

Yes they have their flaws, but are far from some unbreakable opening pair that their fans were trying to paint. That whole myth came crashing down.

Both still make the team on merit, but then being carried by the middle / lower order for that entire event p much ended the RizBab fable… or so we thought.
 
Babat and Riz had a spell.

We didnt win any major cups.

Let's give someone else a chance.

I don't think there is any point in trying to build a legacy T20 side that will dominate for several years like you wojld Test Cricket. There are too many world cups and bilaterals. Plus its the type of format where one random player can come and win a whole tournament on his own and then be forgotten ( Braithwaite for example).

Keep it fresh, keep players on their toes, push boundaries ( literally and metaphorically) and keep the opposition guessing.
 
ads101 said:
In the World Cup we got to the final. They performed in the semi final to knock out New Zealand.

They aren’t fantastic but they are miles better than the rest.

They have their flaws. But we can’t be the best in the world with only two good batsmen. Other teams have lots of good batsmen in their line up.

The rest of our batsmen can’t even score against the b string sides let alone at the World Cup. This is the biggest issue. I don’t think magically changing the opening will get even our mediocre batsmen to suddenly perform.

Rate them or not, they were the strongest part of our batting line up. I think Saim will come good but there’s no guarantee or how long it will take. And if it doesn’t we’ve kind of weakened ourselves, a performing opening pair is the foundation of any batting line up in LOI.
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Lets be real....Asif Ali had more to do in that one world cup that Babar and Rizwan.

I rate them, i like them, but it's time to evolve.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Lets be real....Asif Ali had more to do in that one world cup that Babar and Rizwan.

I rate them, i like them, but it's time to evolve.
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In 2021 World Cup they both did well. Averaging 60 and 70.

Players will not perform all the time. Most of our past legends failed almost every World Cup with inflated stats against weaker sides. Inzi and Yousuf come to mind. Everyone does it.

The issue is when you have players who can not even score against these”B string sides”.

I wish there were better players but from what I see in PSL there aren’t. These two dominate there too. I really wanted to try fakhar opening this time as he is the only one who consistently matches their performance at least at PSL level over multiple seasons. Most either fail or have just one good season.
 
It’s only a matter of time when the Saim Ayub and Azam experiment will end in tears..

Fans will be all over them in a few games and will still blame Babar and Rizwan for their incompetence..
 
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If Rizwan and Babar are to open then where does Saim and Fakhar fit in , don't forget the nonexistent middle order who will cover the no. 4, 5 spot. RizBar cannot accelerate at 160+ SR while opening therfore they should play in middle order also gone are the days when Pakistan had World class spinners to defend low totals now we need 180 scores to give breathing space to our bowlers
 
ads101 said:
In 2021 World Cup they both did well. Averaging 60 and 70.

Players will not perform all the time. Most of our past legends failed almost every World Cup with inflated stats against weaker sides. Inzi and Yousuf come to mind. Everyone does it.

The issue is when you have players who can not even score against these”B string sides”.

I wish there were better players but from what I see in PSL there aren’t. These two dominate there too. I really wanted to try fakhar opening this time as he is the only one who consistently matches their performance at least at PSL level over multiple seasons. Most either fail or have just one good season.
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Absolutely some people are looking at the weong issues and going after players who have been scoring most times.
 
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PakPremi said:
Absolutely some people are looking at the weong issues and going after players who have been scoring most times.
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That's because in T20 is a format where it's about scoring runs at a pace which helps the team win.

This is the only format where runs don't always necessarily mean a great job or well done.
 
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It doesn’t matter how many impact players you have if they are struggling to score more than 20 runs in a game.

Azam Khan is a good example of how someone who can hit sixes cannot be relied upon to score runs.

Take out Babar’s runs in both T20s and we are left with a nothing score.

The issue is the glorification of hacks like Iftikhar, Azam, Asif Ali, Khushdil etc and the less than satisfactory output from Babar and to a certain extent Rizwan.

Babar and Rizwan are really good at what they do, but Pakistan needs some dynamic batsmen around them so that their scores look meaningful. Unfortunately right now, since both score runs at a decent clip yet they are made to look worse than they really are due to the other batsmen collapsing like a pack of cards.
 
msb314 said:
Fans will be all over them in a few games and will still blame Babar and Rizwan for their incompetence..
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Look at you desperately hoping for Saim to fail
 
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It is a reality that what the Babar-riz duo has done already will not be matched anytime soon by any other opening pair of Pakistan. Saim Ayub might be young and exciting to watch but his failures most of the time and inconsistency might hurt Pakistan more.
 
If Rizwan is that great of a t20 player he should have no problem coming in at 6 in a random bilateral t20 series to show us that's he's truly the same player and not taking advantage of opening being the easiest job in t20 cricket
 
ahmadharis1 said:
If Rizwan is that great of a t20 player he should have no problem coming in at 6 in a random bilateral t20 series to show us that's he's truly the same player and not taking advantage of opening being the easiest job in t20 cricket
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Same thing can be said with alot off players.
 
BouncerGuy said:
It is a reality that what the Babar-riz duo has done already will not be matched anytime soon by any other opening pair of Pakistan. Saim Ayub might be young and exciting to watch but his failures most of the time and inconsistency might hurt Pakistan more.
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We hope and pray that no opening duo ever repeats how Babar and Rizwan destroyed the nation’s trust playing for themselves and their agency

InshaAllah
 
Usman Chadda said:
It doesn’t matter how many impact players you have if they are struggling to score more than 20 runs in a game.

Azam Khan is a good example of how someone who can hit sixes cannot be relied upon to score runs.
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So who should we play in the middle?

How about Saud Shaqeel? Abdullah Shafique? SHAN Masood? What type of rubbish would you prefer eating up deliveries in the middle?
 
Rana said:
So who should we play in the middle?

How about Saud Shaqeel? Abdullah Shafique? SHAN Masood? What type of rubbish would you prefer eating up deliveries in the middle?
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There are no good middle-order batters in Pakistan anymore. All domestic performers are opening batsmen.
 
It's amazing how many people now watch and support T20 cricket yet can't figure out who should be batting at which position...

Posts about 130 strike rate without the ability to increase it to 160 are nonsensical..

Please think about it before posting
 
Usman Chadda said:
There are no good middle-order batters in Pakistan anymore. All domestic performers are opening batsmen.
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Actually management is more focused on opening batsmen in domestic cricket otherwise we have good middle order players like Kamran Ghulam who are waiting for their turn.
 
The over dependence on the Babar Azam-Rizwan partnership is a significant concern in Pakistan's batting lineup:

ince 2021, All other batters of Pakistan in T20ls:

5163 runs, 15.98 Avg, 111 SR, 0 100s, 1550s,

Babar-Rizwan: 4525 runs, 45.25 Avg, 130 SR, 4 100s, 41 50s

Both scored together 47% of their entire Team runs since 2021.

In fact, the duo of Babar Azam and Rizwan collectively struck 433 boundaries (4s), whereas the remaining Pakistani batsmen only managed to register 382 fours during this timeframe.
 
IMMY69 said:
It's amazing how many people now watch and support T20 cricket yet can't figure out who should be batting at which position...

Posts about 130 strike rate without the ability to increase it to 160 are nonsensical..

Please think about it before posting
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Can you elaborate on what you mean?
 
FearlessRoar said:
The over dependence on the Babar Azam-Rizwan partnership is a significant concern in Pakistan's batting lineup:

ince 2021, All other batters of Pakistan in T20ls:

5163 runs, 15.98 Avg, 111 SR, 0 100s, 1550s,

Babar-Rizwan: 4525 runs, 45.25 Avg, 130 SR, 4 100s, 41 50s

Both scored together 47% of their entire Team runs since 2021.

In fact, the duo of Babar Azam and Rizwan collectively struck 433 boundaries (4s), whereas the remaining Pakistani batsmen only managed to register 382 fours during this timeframe.
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Pakistan have reached 180 every time with Rizwan not adding anything substantial every time,

How do you explain it?
 
FearlessRoar said:
The over dependence on the Babar Azam-Rizwan partnership is a significant concern in Pakistan's batting lineup:

ince 2021, All other batters of Pakistan in T20ls:

5163 runs, 15.98 Avg, 111 SR, 0 100s, 1550s,

Babar-Rizwan: 4525 runs, 45.25 Avg, 130 SR, 4 100s, 41 50s

Both scored together 47% of their entire Team runs since 2021.

In fact, the duo of Babar Azam and Rizwan collectively struck 433 boundaries (4s), whereas the remaining Pakistani batsmen only managed to register 382 fours during this timeframe.
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There was a time where people complained that Babar only got us to semi finals and finals but no further.

Those may seem like the golden years soon enough.

We have to worry about getting out of our group in this years tournament, let alone the knockout stages.
 
hitthestump said:
There was a time where people complained that Babar only got us to semi finals and finals but no further.

Those may seem like the golden years soon enough.

We have to worry about getting out of our group in this years tournament, let alone the knockout stages.
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Flawed claim. I don’t expect you to respond rationally,

I’ll put it out there for the respectful, die hard custodians of the Babar and Rizwan partnership:

Did Pakistan reach the Semi Final of the 2021 World Cup and the Final of the 2022 wc because of Babar and Rizwan? Be very, very careful with your response to this question.
 
So the 2020-23 period may be remembered as the ‘golden years’ of Pakistan T20 cricket?

What a LOLWorthy comment.

I guess 2007-2010 never truly happened did it? We never truly reached 2 finals and a semi did we? We never truly had the best T20 team or on par T20 team with India and Australia in this period did we?

We never truly had our best seamer (Umar Gul), our best Spinner (Saeed Ajmal) and our best all-rounder (Shahid Afridi) giving us memorable wins in this period did we?

We never truly had great cricketers that were in demand in the first two IPL editions and were much loved by Indian crowds at the time did we?

We never truly had world class cricketers like Razzaq, Akhtar, Asif, Amir giving us memorable moments against the best teams did we?

We never truly had middle order technicians doing their best to manufacture Pakistan wins, tackle tough middle order situations for Pakistan like we had with Malik, Younis Khan and Misbah in this period, did we?

I guess this wasn’t a golden period, was just a farce because it wasn’t under a favourable leadership in Pakistan at the time.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
False equivalence fallacy.

Kohli bats at 3 because he wins games for India single handedly while batting at 3.

Babar should bat at number 3 but not because Kohli bats at 3.

Babar should bat at 3 because there is nowhere else you can hide him where he doesnt become a liability. Sort of like Kane Williamson batting at 3 because there is no other place for him.

Both of them should not be playing T20s for their respective countries. However, Kane gets the nod for his captaincy skills and Babar gets the nod for his soothing cover drive.

The cycle will repeat until we find someone better than Babar at 3.

Till then I dont mind status quo but these hyperboles about him being best in the world are cringeworthy.
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but kane wins matches, some games he looks like hes struggling in t20s but really should not compare the 2 in any of the formats kane is a big game player and plays for the team we never have this discussion around him regarding his strike rate, hes flexible and plays to the situation
 
Babar has nobody on the other end who supports him till the end to finish the game. You need a guy who can play a smashing inning at the end to make things easier for everybody but till now, everyone has failed apart from Babar. Rizwan also failing too many times now, he should wake up or have some rest for the remaining games.
 
You can score a good fifty in a losing cause and a bad fifty in a winning cause.

Averages in wins/defeats is a very misleading stat and says little about the match-winning abilities of a player.
 
Riz Babar duo has won many games for Pakistan. Nobody will be able to match the stats these 2 guys have set together on top.
 
BouncerGuy said:
Riz Babar duo has won many games for Pakistan. Nobody will be able to match the stats these 2 guys have set together on top.
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I reiterate

We will be much better off and advancing in the right track if we have nobody trying to match their stats. Especially when it comes to strike rate
 
i don't mind babar at number 3 as well. he has shown his batting at that number as well. Players around him need to wake up
 
I believe today's victory also belongs to them. They laid a "solid foundation" by absorbing "the pressure". Fakhar was able to cut loose only because Rizbar made things easier for him. They "assessed" the condition & played accordingly. Another glory added to the magnanimous pair's feather. All hail the 🐐 twins.
 
Rizwan played a run-a-ball innings while fakhar also came to the party with his quick-fire 30 plus. Probably the match winning innings.
 
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yet another partnership between these 2 in winning cause.
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well honestly speaking they both not tested yet because target was very low to chase lets see their approach in T20 cricket which is a major concern due to their Strike Rates.
 
emranabbas said:
So these two have only managed to win 20 matches for Pakistan out of over 100 T20 games they've played, and many of those wins came against c strings and minnows?
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I don’t agree with the average in wins/losses metric, but both Babar and Rizwan have won a lot more matches than Sharjeel and Asif Ali put together and they have won more matches than a trash player like Dhoni as well.
 
Mamoon said:
I don’t agree with the average in wins/losses metric, but both Babar and Rizwan have won a lot more matches than Sharjeel and Asif Ali put together and they have won more matches than a trash player like Dhoni as well.
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they have won more matches than a trash player like Dhoni as well.

No they havent, not even close. And this is coming from someone who believes dhoni was heavily overrated.

Dhoni is mediocre overseas. However hes a certified asian bully. I've only seen Babar and rizwan bully oppositions in pindi.

This aussie series + 2021 India game being an exception
 
Mamoon said:
I don’t agree with the average in wins/losses metric, but both Babar and Rizwan have won a lot more matches than Sharjeel and Asif Ali put together and they have won more matches than a trash player like Dhoni as well.
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Sharjeel hasn’t played as many matches as Babar and Rizwan, so it’s common sense that the more games a player has, the more opportunities they have to contribute to wins. Honestly, it’s surprising that two of the world’s top batters, after playing over 100 matches, haven’t managed to secure wins for the team even 25% of the time.

Also, I’m not sure why Sharjeel is being brought up in this conversation—he’s over 35 and probably shouldn’t even be in the lineup, so comparing him here doesn’t really make sense.

Mamoon, you keep emphasizing how great Rizwan and Babar are for taking us to the 2021 semi finals, but remember, if it hadn’t been for Asif Ali, we might not have even gotten past the group stages. This is why it’s essential to watch the games rather than just checking the scorecard and assuming Babar performed well because he scored the most runs—there’s more to it than that.

Yes he may have low average but had a much higher impact than both of your batsmen minus the indian game Babar and rizwan won that for us

Babar only did well vs nambia and Scotland and rizwab even failed vs Scotland


1. Pakistan vs. Afghanistan, ICC Men's T20 World Cup 2021:

Situation: Pakistan needed 24 runs from the last two overs. Afghanistan’s spin attack had been tightening the run rate, and it looked challenging to chase down.

Asif's Impact: Asif smashed four sixes in the 19th over, scoring 25 off just 7 balls, leading Pakistan to victory with an over to spare.



2. Pakistan vs. New Zealand, ICC Men's T20 World Cup 2021:

Situation: Chasing 135, Pakistan required 48 off the last five overs with wickets falling steadily. The pressure was on, with New Zealand's bowlers keeping a tight line.

Asif's Impact: Scoring 27 off 12 balls, Asif hit key boundaries in the closing overs to complete the chase, maintaining Pakistan's unbeaten run in the tournament.
 
emranabbas said:
Sharjeel hasn’t played as many matches as Babar and Rizwan, so it’s common sense that the more games a player has, the more opportunities they have to contribute to wins. Honestly, it’s surprising that two of the world’s top batters, after playing over 100 matches, haven’t managed to secure wins for the team even 25% of the time.

Also, I’m not sure why Sharjeel is being brought up in this conversation—he’s over 35 and probably shouldn’t even be in the lineup, so comparing him here doesn’t really make sense.

Mamoon, you keep emphasizing how great Rizwan and Babar are for taking us to the 2021 semi finals, but remember, if it hadn’t been for Asif Ali, we might not have even gotten past the group stages. This is why it’s essential to watch the games rather than just checking the scorecard and assuming Babar performed well because he scored the most runs—there’s more to it than that.

Yes he may have low average but had a much higher impact than both of your batsmen minus the indian game Babar and rizwan won that for us

Babar only did well vs nambia and Scotland and rizwab even failed vs Scotland


1. Pakistan vs. Afghanistan, ICC Men's T20 World Cup 2021:

Situation: Pakistan needed 24 runs from the last two overs. Afghanistan’s spin attack had been tightening the run rate, and it looked challenging to chase down.

Asif's Impact: Asif smashed four sixes in the 19th over, scoring 25 off just 7 balls, leading Pakistan to victory with an over to spare.



2. Pakistan vs. New Zealand, ICC Men's T20 World Cup 2021:

Situation: Chasing 135, Pakistan required 48 off the last five overs with wickets falling steadily. The pressure was on, with New Zealand's bowlers keeping a tight line.

Asif's Impact: Scoring 27 off 12 balls, Asif hit key boundaries in the closing overs to complete the chase, maintaining Pakistan's unbeaten run in the tournament.
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2021 team wasn't as strong as people made it out to be.

They managed to beat India convincingly but these types of victories do happen. Happened in 2023 and in 2017 final despite India being a superior side to both aus and pakistan
 
mominsaigol said:
2021 team wasn't as strong as people made it out to be.

They managed to beat India convincingly but these types of victories do happen. Happened in 2023 and in 2017 final despite India being a superior side to both aus and pakistan
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To add onto this, NZ and Afg games were certified losses. Asif played a freak innings on 2 occasions.

What's hilarious is that even ramiz raja who's a Babar fan boy at the time stated that the top order and middle order were putting too much pressure on asif as it isn't humanely possible for asif to play such innings every game.

Aus eventually burst that bubble.
 
mominsaigol said:
Sachin really only avg 34 and sr 75 in aus? And ganguly is also equally medicore?

Very surprised to see Dhoni and rohit so high. Sanga and kohli were expected to be high.
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Very surprising, Sachin isn’t the top scorer either, it appears to be Sanga & Miandad
 
emranabbas said:
Sharjeel hasn’t played as many matches as Babar and Rizwan, so it’s common sense that the more games a player has, the more opportunities they have to contribute to wins. Honestly, it’s surprising that two of the world’s top batters, after playing over 100 matches, haven’t managed to secure wins for the team even 25% of the time.

Also, I’m not sure why Sharjeel is being brought up in this conversation—he’s over 35 and probably shouldn’t even be in the lineup, so comparing him here doesn’t really make sense.

Mamoon, you keep emphasizing how great Rizwan and Babar are for taking us to the 2021 semi finals, but remember, if it hadn’t been for Asif Ali, we might not have even gotten past the group stages. This is why it’s essential to watch the games rather than just checking the scorecard and assuming Babar performed well because he scored the most runs—there’s more to it than that.

Yes he may have low average but had a much higher impact than both of your batsmen minus the indian game Babar and rizwan won that for us

Babar only did well vs nambia and Scotland and rizwab even failed vs Scotland


1. Pakistan vs. Afghanistan, ICC Men's T20 World Cup 2021:

Situation: Pakistan needed 24 runs from the last two overs. Afghanistan’s spin attack had been tightening the run rate, and it looked challenging to chase down.

Asif's Impact: Asif smashed four sixes in the 19th over, scoring 25 off just 7 balls, leading Pakistan to victory with an over to spare.



2. Pakistan vs. New Zealand, ICC Men's T20 World Cup 2021:

Situation: Chasing 135, Pakistan required 48 off the last five overs with wickets falling steadily. The pressure was on, with New Zealand's bowlers keeping a tight line.

Asif's Impact: Scoring 27 off 12 balls, Asif hit key boundaries in the closing overs to complete the chase, maintaining Pakistan's unbeaten run in the tournament.
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Asif Alis innings were indeed very crucial for us reaching the semis. So were Babar Rizwans and Maliks innings in those games albeit to a lesser extent. So was Raufs and Shaheens bowling. Pinning the entire success in the tournament on one or two players is very wrong. The whole team was clicking at the right time
 
RidiculousMan said:
He will continue to do good in Australia in this format.
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Cause of pace. Wicket isn't suited for spin. Will probs do well in sa as well.

Ct 2025 may be a double edged sword. If Pakistan designes the pitches to ve spin friendly then Babar is in for a doozy.
 
mominsaigol said:
I think my brother @TheSultan may have been right about Sachin 😅😅.
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And I’m being kind to them, I have ammo about Sachin they haven’t even seen yet!

It’s about picking them off. Every few weeks a new one comes along trying to pass him off as the GOAT. They have the same usual jackpot answers of Richie’s greatest hits etc 🥱 I haven’t needed to get the ammo out.

Yet…
 
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