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Babar Azam resigns as Pakistan's white ball captain

Who should be Pakistan's next white-ball captain after Babar Azam?

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A decision that should have been taken long ago. Well, better late than never.
 
Mamoon said:
That would be someone like Imad Wasim, not the guy who is the best WK batsman to ever come out of Pakistan.

Pick your team and captain(s) for all formats. I asked you in another thread and you ran away.
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Have you forgotten what happened earlier on this year?
 
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It’s cute that folk think Babar will turn into some genius with the bat, after his shenanigans. Somebody mentioned Kane Williamson, I would never for the life of me compare his greatness to somebody like Babar Azam. Babar would never put his body on the line for his country like KW, his desperation during the WC despite his injuries was something, the passion, desire and never give up spirit for his small nation symbolise his leadership and it reflects in his batting.
 
Rana said:
Babar azam is likely to be rested for Australia tour to focus on his mental health. (Geo News)

- He will join the team on Zimbabwe tour again.

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Typical of King lol
 
Why is it that Babar starts contemplating his life as captain every time the Australia away tour is close?
 
Rana said:
Why is it that Babar starts contemplating his life as captain every time the Australia away tour is close?
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Babar should tour australia this time as Pakistan is going to Play ahead of BGT .

Most of 1st choice player's are going to take rest from this series.

Best time to perform in australia for him
 
Pakistan former cricketer, Basit Ali said on his YouTube channel:

"Babar Azam stepping down is a very sensible decision."

"In fact, he should have done this right after the 50-over World Cup in India. This will not only benefit Pakistan cricket but also Babar himself. It's a brave decision that will help him refocus on his individual game."
 
Hasan Ali reacts to Babar Azam’s resignation as Pakistan captain

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As per reports:

Babar Azam became increasingly disconnected from the team and was sidelined from key decision-making processes, ultimately leading to his resignation.

Despite support from white-ball coach Gary Kirsten, who wanted Babar to continue leading the One Day International (ODI) team, the star batter chose to relinquish the role.

Kirsten had been advocating for a change in T20 leadership since July, but Babar’s growing sense of detachment from his position and a lack of involvement in post-World Cup consultations led to his departure.

Kirsten, who is keen on implementing his long-term vision for Pakistan cricket, is expected to introduce a new T20 captain as part of his strategy for the team's future success.
 
Hope it's not Hariis to replace Babar as captain. Haris has not inspired as a sensible batsman or tactful captain.
 
How they chose him when he was not part of the recent T20 team .

Out of the box thinking by Gary Krishtan .
 
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FearlessRoar said:
As per reports:


Despite support from white-ball coach Gary Kirsten, who wanted Babar to continue leading the One Day International (ODI) team, the star batter chose to relinquish the role.

Kirsten had been advocating for a change in T20 leadership since July, but Babar’s growing sense of detachment from his position and a lack of involvement in post-World Cup consultations led to his departure.
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So babar relinquished his white ball format captaincy as kirsten wants some one else as t20 Captain. Since kirsten does not saw babar Captaincy in odi matches,he has not asked for odi changes.it makes sense
 
Rana said:
Babar azam is likely to be rested for Australia tour to focus on his mental health. (Geo News)

- He will join the team on Zimbabwe tour again.

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He is Zimbabar for a reason.LOL.
Can't wait to see him against Zimbabwe.
Let's go Zimbabar..
 
One of the worst captain I have ever seen. He was pretty clueless almost all the time.

It's a good news for Pakistan cricket. Good riddance.Now Pakistan cricket can move forward and drop him from t20is as well along with rizwan.

I would like Mohammad haris to get t20is captaincy. He seems like a decent captain and his game is suited for t20is.
 
Shadab Khan has been schooling Rizwan in captaincy throughout the year. He beat him twice in the PSL and twice in the Champion’s cup. Absolutely mauled him in the first qualifier!
 
Mamoon said:
I haven’t. How can I forget Imad Wasim’s innings vs India?
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Why don't you ever blame chacha or rizwan?

Babar isn't to blame for india as he tried to score but got dismissed so it happens.

NY pitch was a bloody minefield with 120 being a high score on that pitch. Sa in NY struggled life and limb, Struggled to chase 78 agaisnt sri lanka.

But the pitch was easiest at the start, Babar went run a ball so I don't mind.

But rizzu had it the easiest But scored 31 of 44?

Chacha received 3 full tosses which should have been dispatched as his deliveries have nothing to do with the pitch? Infact Jimmy neesham in an earlier series got chacha out. Chacha was getting memed as full tosses were unplayable for him, Even netralvakar got him out on a full toss in a super over?

Imad was rubbish, But he got 3 deliveries pitched on the minefield pitch that he failed to put away. Now yes considering it pitched 3x in the same area atleast 2 of them should have been dispatched.

But I fail to see how imad is any worse then rizzu and chacha who are the biggest culprits.

And this is nothing new, Rizzu and chacha have been bottling it since asia cup 2022, actually they've been bottling it since 2020.

Usa super over and India is not the first game againat India nor is it the first super over chacha has bottled.
 
Captain must be an automatic starter who is picked based on merit and performance first. And then captaincy comes second. Look at the list on this poll. Who is the only automatic starter? Rizwan. Hence he gets to be captain by default. The fact that our team is so bad and there are so few automatic starters is pathetic by itself. Hopefully under Rizwan's leadership we get more consistent performances out of players, so in a few years we have more people to choose from. But right now, he's the only option.
 
Expected decision.
But don't see Pakistan Cricket to become better still. We've been sinking to the lowest of lows recently.
 
mominsaigol said:
Why don't you ever blame chacha or rizwan?

Babar isn't to blame for india as he tried to score but got dismissed so it happens.

NY pitch was a bloody minefield with 120 being a high score on that pitch. Sa in NY struggled life and limb, Struggled to chase 78 agaisnt sri lanka.

But the pitch was easiest at the start, Babar went run a ball so I don't mind.

But rizzu had it the easiest But scored 31 of 44?

Chacha received 3 full tosses which should have been dispatched as his deliveries have nothing to do with the pitch? Infact Jimmy neesham in an earlier series got chacha out. Chacha was getting memed as full tosses were unplayable for him, Even netralvakar got him out on a full toss in a super over?

Imad was rubbish, But he got 3 deliveries pitched on the minefield pitch that he failed to put away. Now yes considering it pitched 3x in the same area atleast 2 of them should have been dispatched.

But I fail to see how imad is any worse then rizzu and chacha who are the biggest culprits.

And this is nothing new, Rizzu and chacha have been bottling it since asia cup 2022, actually they've been bottling it since 2020.

Usa super over and India is not the first game againat India nor is it the first super over chacha has bottled.
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Good question, I will explain.

There was no reason for Rizwan to go for a glory shot vs Bumrah that too on the first ball of the over. Similarly, Fakhar threw his wicket away in a careless manner.

As far as Iftikhar is concerned, he was heavily criticized even before the World Cup and there were big question marks on his inclusion. He wasn’t expected to perform anyway.

However, on the other hand, Imad was brought back to the team out of retirement and his fans did a lot of propaganda over his game intelligence and ability to absorb pressure and bat according to the situation.

Therefore, it is only natural that the expectations will be higher from him. If he was going to be as bad as Iftikhar, Shadab and Nawaz, then there was no point in bringing him back. He was supposed to add what was missing and he failed to do that.

The situation was tailor made for someone who got hyped up by his fans for having a cool head under pressure, but he was rabbit in headlights.

Had Imad not played that game, his fans would have been adamant that he would have made the difference in that situation and Imad himself would giving lectures on tv and criticizing the other players for not adapting to the situation.

Similarly, plenty of Pakistani players made mistakes vs USA but the ultimate match loser was Amir because in spite of all the mistakes by other players, it came down to the Super Over and he was given the responsibility to live up to his reputation of a mentally strong bowler who can deliver under pressure, but he ended up bowling an absolute joke of an over that killed off the match.

He replaced Hassan Ali and had Hassan Ali bowled the over that Amir did, he would get abused left right and center and Amir fans would have been adamant that had Amir played, he would have won the match for Pakistan. Similarly, like Imad, he would have also given lectures on tv and criticized the other bowlers for not holding their nerve under pressure.

Therefore, because of the circumstances and the reputation that forced them back into the team, Amir and Imad deserve to be considered as the two biggest culprits for the USA and India defeats.

They were brought back because they were supposed to add what Pakistan were missing but they added absolutely nothing. Their performance justified Babar’s decision to sideline them because it is clear that Pakistan wouldn’t have been any better with their inclusion because they are not good enough to take the team to a higher level.
 
Mamoon said:
Good question, I will explain.

There was no reason for Rizwan to go for a glory shot vs Bumrah that too on the first ball of the over. Similarly, Fakhar threw his wicket away in a careless manner.

As far as Iftikhar is concerned, he was heavily criticized even before the World Cup and there were big question marks on his inclusion. He wasn’t expected to perform anyway.

However, on the other hand, Imad was brought back to the team out of retirement and his fans did a lot of propaganda over his game intelligence and ability to absorb pressure and bat according to the situation.

Therefore, it is only natural that the expectations will be higher from him. If he was going to be as bad as Iftikhar, Shadab and Nawaz, then there was no point in bringing him back. He was supposed to add what was missing and he failed to do that.

The situation was tailor made for someone who got hyped up by his fans for having a cool head under pressure, but he was rabbit in headlights.

Had Imad not played that game, his fans would have been adamant that he would have made the difference in that situation and Imad himself would giving lectures on tv and criticizing the other players for not adapting to the situation.

Similarly, plenty of Pakistani players made mistakes vs USA but the ultimate match loser was Amir because in spite of all the mistakes by other players, it came down to the Super Over and he was given the responsibility to live up to his reputation of a mentally strong bowler who can deliver under pressure, but he ended up bowling an absolute joke of an over that killed off the match.

He replaced Hassan Ali and had Hassan Ali bowled the over that Amir did, he would get abused left right and center and Amir fans would have been adamant that had Amir played, he would have won the match for Pakistan. Similarly, like Imad, he would have also given lectures on tv and criticized the other bowlers for not holding their nerve under pressure.

Therefore, because of the circumstances and the reputation that forced them back into the team, Amir and Imad deserve to be considered as the two biggest culprits for the USA and India defeats.

They were brought back because they were supposed to add what Pakistan were missing but they added absolutely nothing. Their performance justified Babar’s decision to sideline them because it is clear that Pakistan wouldn’t have been any better with their inclusion because they are not good enough to take the team to a higher level.
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The India game I somewhat agree with.

I wanted Imad in because of his psl form, but his lungs and fitness ensured he couldn't really compete or take singles properly. But imo the blame needs to he shared.

The USA game has many culprits, Shaeen dropping that catch, babar's runs and innings, chacha's shot etc, But yes Amir is the biggest culprit in that game, I don't disagree.

For me Amir is the biggest culprit for usa but for India, it has to be chacha, those were 3 full tosses, even if 2 of them had gone to the boundary, game was over for india.
 
Rana said:
Babar azam is likely to be rested for Australia tour to focus on his mental health. (Geo News)

- He will join the team on Zimbabwe tour again.

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I saw this on X too - thought it was a joke! Surely can’t be that shameless??
 
Rana said:
Babar azam is likely to be rested for Australia tour to focus on his mental health. (Geo News)

- He will join the team on Zimbabwe tour again.

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He will not do that, doubt even his fans will defend him after that.
 
An overdue wise move by Babar.

He should never of accepted naqvi the clown s offer.

Shaheen and Babar both got screwed over to the detriment of the team before a major tournament.
 
Babars ego and the general obsession with captaincy with our players led to a poor decision to accept the job. Needs to lose weight, he like Naseem looks overweight( not as much as Naseem) and get back to scoring runs.
 
mominsaigol said:
Tbf bro, And I'm being 200% honest, no trolling as I'm not in the mood atm.

That match wasn't a fluke, Indian players were too tired from playing IPL and multiple seasons, to top it off they were very injury prone.

Rohit after 2021 even skipped a few games and batted himself at no 7 for a while because he was injured and needed rest and didn't field much, Kohli took a break and skipped captaincy, Bumrah was overworked to death and got injured for years and so did many others.

It's why in 2022 India had zero bowling resources and got mauled by England, Followed by some players in odi Luke dhawan mellowing out.

India also got mauled by New Zealand.

India was genuinely too tired to compete in 2021 and 2022.

Theirs no excuse for their hunilating phanti in 2017 and 2023, But 2021 and 2022 honestly wasn't fair to them.

The timing was awful. But yes they are partly to blame for overworking and injuring their players.

The only time pakistan has beaten a full strength India since 2011 was in 2014 and in 2017.

The rest were all either a transitioning India, An injury prone India, or limited resource India.

2021 India is one of the weakest Indian teams this past decade only behind 2012 India, it's because they only have good names on Paper but in terms of fitness their a corpse.
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haha ...brilliant.
 
BouncerGuy said:
How do you rate Babar Azam's captaincy?

Tests
Matches: 20
Won: 10
Lost: 6
Win/Loss Ratio: 1.66

ODIs
Matches: 43
Won: 26
Lost: 15
Win/Loss Ratio: 1.73

T20Is
Won: 48
Lost: 29
Win/Loss Ratio: 1.65
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W/L ratio against SENA + India was 0.8 (some series afainst depleted sides during the IPL)

he was poor as a tactician and seemed clueless in crunch situations
 
Entitled Babar. Instead of properly working hard on his game and his fitness, he has resorted to all sorts of shortcuts i.e. using Saya Corporation social media platforms, using his political connections to get things done.

It has now been revealed that Kirsten recommended a new T-20 captain to be appointed but only wanted Babar to be retained till the CT. Babar demanded the captaincy in all formats but the PCB chairman ignored his phone calls and requests for one to one meetings. Truth be told, PCB wanted him to resign then having to fire him.
 
Savak said:
Entitled Babar. Instead of properly working hard on his game and his fitness, he has resorted to all sorts of shortcuts i.e. using Saya Corporation social media platforms, using his political connections to get things done.

It has now been revealed that Kirsten recommended a new T-20 captain to be appointed but only wanted Babar to be retained till the CT. Babar demanded the captaincy in all formats but the PCB chairman ignored his phone calls and requests for one to one meetings. Truth be told, PCB wanted him to resign then having to fire him.
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Source bro?
 
I don't know who Azam Siddique is but this is so cringe.
 
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Rashid Latif speaking during an interview:

"It's a leadership crisis. Pakistan cricket is in the ICU with no specialist for treatment."

“He should not have accepted captaincy again.”

"Neither the team was performing nor was he scoring big. This resignation has come very late and that has not only cost him badly, but also the team."
 
mominsaigol said:
Tbf bro, And I'm being 200% honest, no trolling as I'm not in the mood atm.

That match wasn't a fluke, Indian players were too tired from playing IPL and multiple seasons, to top it off they were very injury prone.

Rohit after 2021 even skipped a few games and batted himself at no 7 for a while because he was injured and needed rest and didn't field much, Kohli took a break and skipped captaincy, Bumrah was overworked to death and got injured for years and so did many others.

It's why in 2022 India had zero bowling resources and got mauled by England, Followed by some players in odi Luke dhawan mellowing out.

India also got mauled by New Zealand.

India was genuinely too tired to compete in 2021 and 2022.

Theirs no excuse for their hunilating phanti in 2017 and 2023, But 2021 and 2022 honestly wasn't fair to them.

The timing was awful. But yes they are partly to blame for overworking and injuring their players.

The only time pakistan has beaten a full strength India since 2011 was in 2014 and in 2017.

The rest were all either a transitioning India, An injury prone India, or limited resource India.

2021 India is one of the weakest Indian teams this past decade only behind 2012 India, it's because they only have good names on Paper but in terms of fitness their a corpse.
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Virtually every game Pakistan has played against india in WC s have been games they have thrown away from winning positions rather than india beating them.

Including this last one in NY.

You claim you watch things carefully you should know that.

There is a big difference between dominating and winning and the opposition gifting it to you.

The excuse your using for india is the one the indian media used. :ROFLMAO:

My indian mates told me about it.

The same one they have been using for the past 12 years or whatever it was by claiming to being the best side. :ROFLMAO:
 
BouncerGuy said:
Rashid Latif speaking during an interview:

"It's a leadership crisis. Pakistan cricket is in the ICU with no specialist for treatment."

“He should not have accepted captaincy again.”

"Neither the team was performing nor was he scoring big. This resignation has come very late and that has not only cost him badly, but also the team."
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He is absolutely correct. I dont know who Babar's advisors are, he needs to be around mentally stable advisors
 
Shoaib Akhtar 100 MPH said:
Virtually every game Pakistan has played against india in WC s have been games they have thrown away from winning positions rather than india beating them.

Including this last one in NY.

You claim you watch things carefully you should know that.

There is a big difference between dominating and winning and the opposition gifting it to you.

The excuse your using for india is the one the indian media used. :ROFLMAO:

My indian mates told me about it.

The same one they have been using for the past 12 years or whatever it was by claiming to being the best side. :ROFLMAO:
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The only 2 times pakistan beat India at full strength was 2014 and 2017. But if you wish to include 2021 go for it.

The reason I made my claim for 2021 is because NZ also mauled India by 9 wickets.
 
Why didn’t the PCB announce the white-ball captain immediately after Babar’s resignation? I mean, in most countries, the vice-captain usually steps into the captain’s role. But in Pakistan, the chairman needs to hold meetings and discussions with 3 or 4 potential candidates, creating unnecessary fuss and political tension/groupings within the team, and only after 2-3 weeks do they announce the captain.

I remember when Virat was removed from captaincy, the BCCI immediately announced Rohit as the next captain, suppressing the media’s speculation and rumors.
 
While speaking on a program on local channel, Former Pakistan pacer Sikander Bakht has lashed out at Babar Azam after the latter announced the decision to step down as the captain of the white-ball team:

"Ab sharam ayi! (You finally felt ashamed!) As soon as our World Cup was over on 16th June because we had not qualified further, he should have resigned at the same time. The whole nation was saying that he should have resigned. But he was stubborn. Because his style was like this, he was king (In a sarcastic way). His performance was not good, neither was theirs. Anyway, they should have seen that we are removed in two ways. I don't know what happened to him."

"He was told to resign. Look, we have three captains in our base. There are groups of three captains. One is Babar, another is Rizwan. They want to become captains. Shaheen want to become captain again. And there is also Shan Masood. Shan Masood lost five or six matches.''
 
PCB wanted Babar Azam as ODI captain, sudden resignation disrupts plans; Kirsten expresses concerns on Rizwan: Report

The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) is now considering a shift in its leadership structure by introducing separate captains for all three formats of the game, according to PTI. With a demanding international calendar, PCB is aiming to address concerns regarding workload management.

While Babar had long been the face of Pakistan cricket as an all-format captain, it is further reported that the PCB's plans to continue with Babar at the helm in ODI cricket were abruptly interrupted when he tendered his resignation.

Mohammad Rizwan, the side's wicketkeeper-batter, has emerged as the frontrunner for the white-ball captaincy, given his automatic selection across all formats. However, the path to his appointment is far from straightforward.

The white-ball head coach, Gary Kirsten, and the selection committee are reportedly grappling with concerns over Rizwan’s ability to manage the intense workload that comes with playing and leading the side in all formats. Rizwan, like Babar and Shaheen Afridi, plays across formats, making his workload a key issue for red-ball coach Jason Gillespie, Kirsten, and the PCB selectors.

Pakistan's upcoming schedule is nothing short of daunting. The team is set to play 18 ODIs and T20Is across Australia, Zimbabwe, and South Africa from November through December, followed by a two-Test series in South Africa. Upon their return in January, the side will face the West Indies in a two-Test series, engage in an ODI tri-series with New Zealand and South Africa, and later compete in the ICC Champions Trophy.

The calendar culminates in a white-ball series in New Zealand before the Pakistan Super League (PSL). The sheer volume of matches has raised significant concerns about Rizwan’s capacity to handle the dual responsibility of playing and captaining.

Split captaincy?

With the increasing pressure on Rizwan, the PCB is considering either splitting the captaincy between the ODI and T20I formats or appointing a strong vice-captain to assist Rizwan. The idea is to provide the wicketkeeper-batter with adequate breaks to manage his workload without compromising the team's leadership. In such cases, Rizwan’s deputy would take charge of the team during his absence, ensuring continuity and stability.

Several players are being considered for leadership roles, including Shadab Khan, Shaheen, Saim Ayub, and Shan Masood. Kirsten has reportedly expressed reservations about finding a player who can handle the captaincy pressures across multiple formats, particularly after Babar's recent dip in confidence and form.

 
Salman Ali Agha, during an interaction with the media at Multan Cricket Stadium:

"I don't think it will make much difference for Babar Azam, because if you see his batting record as captain, it has been excellent, and it is his personal decision, and we have to respect it. I wish him all the best, and hopefully, he will put on a good performance in this series against England."
 
mominsaigol said:
The only 2 times pakistan beat India at full strength was 2014 and 2017. But if you wish to include 2021 go for it.

The reason I made my claim for 2021 is because NZ also mauled India by 9 wickets.
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So your claim is if india are beaten its because of fatigue or not being at full strength.

Otherwise no one can beat them at full strength.

Give me a break.

They have 1 cup in the last 12 years with arguably their best ever side.

They are far away from the calibre your making them out to be.
 
FearlessRoar said:
Salman Ali Agha, during an interaction with the media at Multan Cricket Stadium:

"I don't think it will make much difference for Babar Azam, because if you see his batting record as captain, it has been excellent, and it is his personal decision, and we have to respect it. I wish him all the best, and hopefully, he will put on a good performance in this series against England."
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Salman is right in terms of Babar s batting record but his captaincy has been lousy to say the least.
 
umerz said:
He is absolutely correct. I dont know who Babar's advisors are, he needs to be around mentally stable advisors
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Naqvi is the one who is responsible for the division in the side just before the WC removing Shaheen after one series and bringing back Babar.

Babar should of been wiser and refused.
 
Shoaib Akhtar 100 MPH said:
Naqvi is the one who is responsible for the division in the side just before the WC removing Shaheen after one series and bringing back Babar.

Babar should of been wiser and refused.
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It's not only about Naqvi... players themselves are greedy enough to gain power and for that they are ready to sacrifice anything.
 
FearlessRoar said:
PCB wanted Babar Azam as ODI captain, sudden resignation disrupts plans; Kirsten expresses concerns on Rizwan: Report

The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) is now considering a shift in its leadership structure by introducing separate captains for all three formats of the game, according to PTI. With a demanding international calendar, PCB is aiming to address concerns regarding workload management.

While Babar had long been the face of Pakistan cricket as an all-format captain, it is further reported that the PCB's plans to continue with Babar at the helm in ODI cricket were abruptly interrupted when he tendered his resignation.

Mohammad Rizwan, the side's wicketkeeper-batter, has emerged as the frontrunner for the white-ball captaincy, given his automatic selection across all formats. However, the path to his appointment is far from straightforward.

The white-ball head coach, Gary Kirsten, and the selection committee are reportedly grappling with concerns over Rizwan’s ability to manage the intense workload that comes with playing and leading the side in all formats. Rizwan, like Babar and Shaheen Afridi, plays across formats, making his workload a key issue for red-ball coach Jason Gillespie, Kirsten, and the PCB selectors.

Pakistan's upcoming schedule is nothing short of daunting. The team is set to play 18 ODIs and T20Is across Australia, Zimbabwe, and South Africa from November through December, followed by a two-Test series in South Africa. Upon their return in January, the side will face the West Indies in a two-Test series, engage in an ODI tri-series with New Zealand and South Africa, and later compete in the ICC Champions Trophy.

The calendar culminates in a white-ball series in New Zealand before the Pakistan Super League (PSL). The sheer volume of matches has raised significant concerns about Rizwan’s capacity to handle the dual responsibility of playing and captaining.

Split captaincy?

With the increasing pressure on Rizwan, the PCB is considering either splitting the captaincy between the ODI and T20I formats or appointing a strong vice-captain to assist Rizwan. The idea is to provide the wicketkeeper-batter with adequate breaks to manage his workload without compromising the team's leadership. In such cases, Rizwan’s deputy would take charge of the team during his absence, ensuring continuity and stability.

Several players are being considered for leadership roles, including Shadab Khan, Shaheen, Saim Ayub, and Shan Masood. Kirsten has reportedly expressed reservations about finding a player who can handle the captaincy pressures across multiple formats, particularly after Babar's recent dip in confidence and form.

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If riz is made captain then Safi or Muhammad Akhlaq are the best options to share the workload in tests with and ODI s with Muhammad Haris the best option in T20 s.
 
Shoaib Akhtar 100 MPH said:
So your claim is if india are beaten its because of fatigue or not being at full strength.

Otherwise no one can beat them at full strength.

Give me a break.

They have 1 cup in the last 12 years with arguably their best ever side.

They are far away from the calibre your making them out to be.
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They did lose at full strength in 2023 final without any fatigue, they did lose at full strength in 2014 final, they did lose at full strength on 2014 Asia cup against pakistan as well as 2017 ct, They did lose at full strength in 2016.

Stop strawmanning me 24/7. I only said it was because of fatigue in 2021 and because of transition phase on 2012.

How is 2021 and 2012 relevant to the rest of their 12 years?
 
Cricket Warrior said:
It's not only about Naqvi... players themselves are greedy enough to gain power and for that they are ready to sacrifice anything.
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If naqvi didn't dangle the carrot of captaincy in front of Babar he wouldn't have had that chance.

Especially before a WC screwing your two gun players.

naqvi committed suicide but the media fail to highlight that as a key factor.
 
Shoaib Akhtar 100 MPH said:
If riz is made captain then Safi or Muhammad Akhlaq are the best options to share the workload in tests with and ODI s with Muhammad Haris the best option in T20 s.
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Today hasn’t been a great day for Rizwan captain updates unfortunately
 
mominsaigol said:
They did lose at full strength in 2023 final without any fatigue, they did lose at full strength in 2014 final, they did lose at full strength on 2014 Asia cup against pakistan as well as 2017 ct, They did lose at full strength in 2016.

Stop strawmanning me 24/7. I only said it was because of fatigue in 2021 and because of transition phase on 2012.

How is 2021 and 2012 relevant to the rest of their 12 years?
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The 12 years of being trophy less was to highlight your absurdity that they only lost or loose due to fatigue or being under strength.

Your strawmanning yourself with an excuse sheet for their various indian defeats and I am just highlighting the absurdity of it.

Your post below.

Tbf bro, And I'm being 200% honest, no trolling as I'm not in the mood atm.

That match wasn't a fluke, Indian players were too tired from playing IPL and multiple seasons, to top it off they were very injury prone.

Rohit after 2021 even skipped a few games and batted himself at no 7 for a while because he was injured and needed rest and didn't field much, Kohli took a break and skipped captaincy, Bumrah was overworked to death and got injured for years and so did many others.

It's why in 2022 India had zero bowling resources and got mauled by England, Followed by some players in odi Luke dhawan mellowing out.

India also got mauled by New Zealand.

India was genuinely too tired to compete in 2021 and 2022.

Theirs no excuse for their hunilating phanti in 2017 and 2023, But 2021 and 2022 honestly wasn't fair to them.

The timing was awful. But yes they are partly to blame for overworking and injuring their players.

The only time pakistan has beaten a full strength India since 2011 was in 2014 and in 2017.

The rest were all either a transitioning India, An injury prone India, or limited resource India.

2021 India is one of the weakest Indian teams this past decade only behind 201
 
Shoaib Akhtar 100 MPH said:
The 12 years of being trophy less was to highlight your absurdity that they only lost or loose due to fatigue or being under strength.

Your strawmanning yourself with an excuse sheet for their various indian defeats and I am just highlighting the absurdity of it.

Your post below.

Tbf bro, And I'm being 200% honest, no trolling as I'm not in the mood atm.

That match wasn't a fluke, Indian players were too tired from playing IPL and multiple seasons, to top it off they were very injury prone.

Rohit after 2021 even skipped a few games and batted himself at no 7 for a while because he was injured and needed rest and didn't field much, Kohli took a break and skipped captaincy, Bumrah was overworked to death and got injured for years and so did many others.

It's why in 2022 India had zero bowling resources and got mauled by England, Followed by some players in odi Luke dhawan mellowing out.

India also got mauled by New Zealand.

India was genuinely too tired to compete in 2021 and 2022.

Theirs no excuse for their hunilating phanti in 2017 and 2023, But 2021 and 2022 honestly wasn't fair to them.

The timing was awful. But yes they are partly to blame for overworking and injuring their players.

The only time pakistan has beaten a full strength India since 2011 was in 2014 and in 2017.

The rest were all either a transitioning India, An injury prone India, or limited resource India.

2021 India is one of the weakest Indian teams this past decade only behind 201
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2012 India was under strength.

2021 was fatigue.

No other eras of 12 years of losses was due to anything else. They lost those games at full strength.

What on earth is your issue with this?
 
adi_62941 said:
Why didn’t the PCB announce the white-ball captain immediately after Babar’s resignation? I mean, in most countries, the vice-captain usually steps into the captain’s role. But in Pakistan, the chairman needs to hold meetings and discussions with 3 or 4 potential candidates, creating unnecessary fuss and political tension/groupings within the team, and only after 2-3 weeks do they announce the captain.

I remember when Virat was removed from captaincy, the BCCI immediately announced Rohit as the next captain, suppressing the media’s speculation and rumors.
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You answered your own question.

The indian board decided to remove him and therefore approached another player.

In Babar s case he resigned albeit late.
 
Shoaib Akhtar 100 MPH said:
You answered your own question.

The indian board decided to remove him and therefore approached another player.

In Babar s case he resigned albeit late.
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In any case, cricket board should announce the next captain immediately. Why are they waiting for? I mean where is your vice captain? And what is the use of vice captain if you do not want to use him in these situations.
I remember 2007 time when inzi retired from captaincy after disastrous performance in WC 07 and PCB appointed shoaib malik as next captain instead of younis khan who was made vice captain for 3-4 years under inzi. Really the chairman of PCB is always a clown character. We hardly get any good chairman who can think on logic
 
There is a Pashtun group and punjabi group. Most probably shadab will be the next white ball captain. His father in law has strong connections inside PCB plus azhar mehmood is a very good friend with saqlain. Shahid afridi do not have much good friends in PCB setup. And rizwan does not have any strong links. So the clear choice is shadab as he has won PSL as well as Champions cup.
 
adi_62941 said:
There is a Pashtun group and punjabi group. Most probably shadab will be the next white ball captain. His father in law has strong connections inside PCB plus azhar mehmood is a very good friend with saqlain. Shahid afridi do not have much good friends in PCB setup. And rizwan does not have any strong links. So the clear choice is shadab as he has won PSL as well as Champions cup.
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Shadab does not merit a spot in the squad; how can he be captain? Are we trying to go down another Shan Masood route?
 
Younis Khan speaking during an interview:

"I think there are some senior players like Mohammad Rizwan, but the one guy nobody mentions is Fakhar Zaman."

"He's a fantastic cricketer and he performs every single year.”

"The problem is sometimes we think that the top player or maybe the star player can become a captain, but it is not like that.”

"Leaders are born, it's not like putting an extra pressure or extra burden on them.”

"So I think these candidates will be good for Pakistan as a captain.”

"Babar Azam quit, so I think that will be good for him and a benefit for Pakistan cricket team."

"I was the first guy last month to suggest to him that if he wanted to play and spend his career the way he had performed in the past, I think it's better for him to play as a player and to perform for Pakistan team,"

"Especially if you're losing against India, you're gone.”

"But that is how a leader is born and that is the demand of international cricket.”

"You have to combat these kind of pressures, so I hope the next captain will do a fantastic job.”

"When I was captain, for me it was team first, my players first, my country first so I think that thinking and that mindset was my success.”

"If you play for team, and you play for country and especially if you play for each other that is the main thing and if you do that you will be successful."
 
mominsaigol said:
The only 2 times pakistan beat India at full strength was 2014 and 2017. But if you wish to include 2021 go for it.

The reason I made my claim for 2021 is because NZ also mauled India by 9 wickets.
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In 2014 ,msd and raina were not playing. Even then pak made mountain out of hole to chase a small score
 
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