Babar Azam should not play all three formats!

[super hitter]

Yes! you read that right! He is a player who likes to play till the end so lets keep him to himself and not expect him to become a T-20 slogger. He has been a massive disappointment in T-20's despite his consistent performances. Again, many will disagree! But did he ever won us a t-20 with his performances? not even in PSL until it was against Islamabad United in the 13 over, one-sided match. Yesterday, he scored a 40, but was it better than Malik's 28? again NO. it didn't won us the match even though Kamran Akmal came up with a way more stunning 40.

Its better to play one good knock to win the match instead of playing a half-good knock every match and still loosing! Now many will say that Safraz and the rest of the slot has nearly the same strike rate (though there is quite a nice difference),BUT ,Would you prefer 40 of 40 deliveries with a single per bowl or 40 of 40 with 18 dot bowls? The end result is the same, but guess what, the approach is completely different!

Babar Azam is a magnificent player when he plays 'his own game' and the same must go for the 'formats' as well, He should then play 'his own formats' as well!

Its not only about his performances, as an athlete, you do what is good for you. The modern cricket require a lot of transition in itself when talking about the 3 formats since they are too different to each other. Hardly does any player of the top ranked countries play ALL 3 FORMATS, Since it doesn't require practical change on the field, a lot depend on your transition of mental and spiritual intellect. Moreover, you expire a player a few years before the expiry date.

 

[super hitter]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] [MENTION=107807]Pete Rose[/MENTION]

 

[Hawkeye]

Calm down. Poor logic.

He's 10 times better than Sarfraz, Malik who are just pure accumulators with a severely restricted one dimensional game.

Babar is dynamic and a free flowing stroke maker. Last I checked he taking on the Aus attack in Aus with ease.

Cut the hatred. Target the guys who are the real culprits. He's still finding his feet yet has become our best batsman instantly.

Imagine the quality he'll become with more experience.

 

[Pete Rose]

Calm down. Poor logic.

He's 10 times better than Sarfraz, Malik who are just pure accumulators with a severely restricted one dimensional game.

Babar is dynamic and a free flowing stroke maker. Last I checked he taking on the Aus attack in Aus with ease.

Cut the hatred. Target the guys who are the real culprits. He's still finding his feet yet has become our best batsman instantly.

Imagine the quality he'll become with more experience.

T20.has no room for limited timid players. Right now all three (sarfaraz, Malik, and babar) play this style of game. Let's be honest here, our most aggressive, effective player in Australia was Sharjeel.
It is of course reasonable to expect that babar might do better than the other two.
But based on evidence so far, his batting is boring and limited.

 

[super hitter]

Calm down. Poor logic.

He's 10 times better than Sarfraz, Malik who are just pure accumulators with a severely restricted one dimensional game.

Babar is dynamic and a free flowing stroke maker. Last I checked he taking on the Aus attack in Aus with ease.

Cut the hatred. Target the guys who are the real culprits. He's still finding his feet yet has become our best batsman instantly.

Imagine the quality he'll become with more experience.

if it takes you a dozen deliveries to find the dynamics than better go with single dimension.

 

[Hawkeye]

T20.has no room for limited timid players. Right now all three (sarfaraz, Malik, and babar) play this style of game. Let's be honest here, our most aggressive, effective player in Australia was Sharjeel.
It is of course reasonable to expect that babar might do better than the other two.
But based on evidence so far, his batting is boring and limited.

Sharjeel was probably the best opener in the world. And he was superior to Babar at effectiveness.

Babar is still better than other accumulators, but I agree he has to play faster in T20s. Has good game in ODIs mostly.

He's getting better and improve his sr in t20s too, but he's Kohli type bat, not a power hitter.

We do need more power hitters. And Babr/Kohli type players are also needed in T20s.

 

[Rana]

The sorry state of our batting is that our best batsman has a strike rate that is 20-30 less than the best batsmen of top teams

 

[Pete Rose]

Sharjeel was probably the best opener in the world. And he was superior to Babar at effectiveness.

Babar is still better than other accumulators, but I agree he has to play faster in T20s. Has good game in ODIs mostly.

He's getting better and improve his sr in t20s too, but he's Kohli type bat, not a power hitter.

We do need more power hitters. And Babr/Kohli type players are also needed in T20s.

Agree with everything but there is no comparison between kohli and babar on strike rates, that's factually incorrect.

 

[Syed1]

There is always room for a tuk tuk in a Pakistani side.

 

[aloo paratha]

Calm down. Poor logic.

He's 10 times better than Sarfraz, Malik who are just pure accumulators with a severely restricted one dimensional game.

Babar is dynamic and a free flowing stroke maker. Last I checked he taking on the Aus attack in Aus with ease.

Cut the hatred. Target the guys who are the real culprits. He's still finding his feet yet has become our best batsman instantly.

Imagine the quality he'll become with more experience.

Poor logic by you, if he was such a dynamic and free flowing batsmen his SR would at least be ok, Babar has been playing run a ball in the 2 matches before and yesterday batted at 115 at 43 runs which is far too slow, not to forget that 18 runs were in boundaries which means he consumed quite a few dot balls as well.

Sarfraz and Malik are better T20 players than him, they've just been utilized wrong this series. Cut the hype for Babar in T20s.

 

[aloo paratha]

We do need more power hitters. And Babr/Kohli type players are also needed in T20s.

Babar SR: 116
Kohli SR: 135

.......

 

[Madplayer]

Babar SR: 116
Kohli SR: 135

.......

Can u dig up kohli's strike rate and averages when he was 22 for it to be fair?

The thread is short sighted. Teams world over recognize and invest in young players in their early 20s and expect them to mature and contribute more significantly when they move into mid 20s. Only in Pakistan the people dont have the patience to allow this process to complete once a young player has been recognised and persisted with. Thats understandable because of non existant batting culture and also the fact that some fans are as clueless as people who run things which is only a subset of them.

Babar can and will develop into a player who isnt a liability in t20s. Nothing there to suggest that he wont. He has all the shots in the book, he can improvise, hit the gaps, can play long innings and risk free cricket when he wants to. Its just about learning how to put his ability to use more regularly and impactfully. He will do that as he matures as a player.

 

[kingusama92]

He's the best of PAK's accumulators.

And he's still developing.

It would be odd to sit out your best batsman in any format.

 

[super hitter]

Sharjeel was probably the best opener in the world. And he was superior to Babar at effectiveness.

Babar is still better than other accumulators, but I agree he has to play faster in T20s. Has good game in ODIs mostly.

He's getting better and improve his sr in t20s too, but he's Kohli type bat, not a power hitter.

We do need more power hitters. And Babr/Kohli type players are also needed in T20s.

he isn't! thats the problem mate and he shouldn't! he needs to play his own game and leave t-20's instead of destroying his natural game with slogging.

He'll be good in t-20's once malik, sarfi, shehzad etc. leave....rest are never going to except for malik (because pakistani's really care about age... 35), but for that, Malik needs to stop his habit of winning a t-20 match for Pakistan in every series/tournament (except for the WC).

 

[Abdullah719]

Babar SR: 116
Kohli SR: 135

.......

Babar after 8 innings: Ave 54 SR 115
Kohli after 8 innings: Ave 23 SR 119

 

[MMHS]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] [MENTION=107807]Pete Rose[/MENTION]

I'll always play Babar & play him at 3 - even if the T20 is rain curtailed to T10.

SR is subject to the context of the match - there is no point to go over aggressive when the target is in sight. His SR is relatively lower because in his small T20 career, either he has chased smaller targets or has played 140 per matches. His ODI Stats are 50/90; which at any standard after 25 matches is more than acceptable.

PAK's problem is to accommodate Malik, MoHa, Shehzad, Sarfu .... not Babar. That's even more difficult once Sharjeel shoot at his foot.

If people thinks that higher SR is because of slogging power, they have no idea of batting. Higher SR has 3 factors - one is brutal power which Babar doesn't have, neither Kohli, Mendis, Smith or Sabbir. So, unless you are genetically gifted, one can't be Gayle, Powel, Butler or Brathwick ...

Other 2 is all round shot making ability that results into cashing a boundary or Six for every loose ball - which Babar has plenty - on either feet, on either side & against every type of bowling for his technique, balance (shift at f body weight), eye sight & timing. The 3rd be is shot productivity - that's reducing dots, even against tight fielding & perfect line/length balls, one has to push/place the ball perfectly to get a single, or convert a comfortable single into double. This is his learning scope which is the difference of 20 SR between Kohli & Babar.

If he understands what is written here & can apply that working with Arthur/Grant - his 38 (35) can easily turn into 38 (29) - without adding muscles or miraculously growing 6 inches taller in a year.

 

[coy0607]

he hasn't dominated T20 and Test the same way as ODI- but that doesn't mean he should not play

he's easily one of the best 3 batsmen we have in any format

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

For the time being if Babar is too play t20s then he should open.

 

[aloo paratha]

Babar after 8 innings: Ave 54 SR 115
Kohli after 8 innings: Ave 23 SR 119

But the comparison was clearly talking about current times. Babar may become a Kohli type player but he's not there yet, therefore I sent that stat.

 

[Syed1]

Babar after 8 innings: Ave 54 SR 115
Kohli after 8 innings: Ave 23 SR 119

I'd rather take a 30(20) over a 40(40) in T20s. Just because Babar is our best batsman doesn't mean he cannot be criticized for his striking ability.

 

[Ab Fan]

Can u dig up kohli's strike rate and averages when he was 22 for it to be fair?

The thread is short sighted. Teams world over recognize and invest in young players in their early 20s and expect them to mature and contribute more significantly when they move into mid 20s. Only in Pakistan the people dont have the patience to allow this process to complete once a young player has been recognised and persisted with. Thats understandable because of non existant batting culture and also the fact that some fans are as clueless as people who run things which is only a subset of them.

Babar can and will develop into a player who isnt a liability in t20s. Nothing there to suggest that he wont. He has all the shots in the book, he can improvise, hit the gaps, can play long innings and risk free cricket when he wants to. Its just about learning how to put his ability to use more regularly and impactfully. He will do that as he matures as a player.

If we are comparing w.rt their age, then it should be made clear that Babar is this /that to Kohli when he was at Babar's age.Otherwise, the comparison is worthless.

 

[Abdullah719]

I'd rather take a 30(20) over a 40(40) in T20s. Just because Babar is our best batsman doesn't mean he cannot be criticized for his striking ability.

Of course he can be criticised but at his age and at this point in his career, he has plenty of room for improvement.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Babar Azam should and will play all three formats!!!

 

[ExpressPacer]

He must play all three formats. He's a brilliant player and this is the only way he will develop.

 

[super hitter]

I'll always play Babar & play him at 3 - even if the T20 is rain curtailed to T10.

SR is subject to the context of the match - there is no point to go over aggressive when the target is in sight. His SR is relatively lower because in his small T20 career, either he has chased smaller targets or has played 140 per matches. His ODI Stats are 50/90; which at any standard after 25 matches is more than acceptable.

PAK's problem is to accommodate Malik, MoHa, Shehzad, Sarfu .... not Babar. That's even more difficult once Sharjeel shoot at his foot.

If people thinks that higher SR is because of slogging power, they have no idea of batting. Higher SR has 3 factors - one is brutal power which Babar doesn't have, neither Kohli, Mendis, Smith or Sabbir. So, unless you are genetically gifted, one can't be Gayle, Powel, Butler or Brathwick ...

Other 2 is all round shot making ability that results into cashing a boundary or Six for every loose ball - which Babar has plenty - on either feet, on either side & against every type of bowling for his technique, balance (shift at f body weight), eye sight & timing. The 3rd be is shot productivity - that's reducing dots, even against tight fielding & perfect line/length balls, one has to push/place the ball perfectly to get a single, or convert a comfortable single into double. This is his learning scope which is the difference of 20 SR between Kohli & Babar.

If he understands what is written here & can apply that working with Arthur/Grant - his 38 (35) can easily turn into 38 (29) - without adding muscles or miraculously growing 6 inches taller in a year.

1) he is batting with a huge no. of dots
2) he has done terrible in the PSl while chasing 160+, he still goes on with his natural game
3) he is a bad strike rotator

You have to slog almost 1 an over when chasing big totals which he literally CAN'T.

The point is , lets not destroy his natural game by making him bat in t-20's where our opener do tuk tuk tuk out!

Malik can stay in t-20's for the next 6-7 years because t-20 is something else, as far as he is fit which he actually is!

 

[srh]

He's the best of PAK's accumulators.

And he's still developing.

It would be odd to sit out your best batsman in any format.

Problem is Pakistan have too many accumulators. Babar makes sense when he is surrounded by hitters.

 

[Arsalan Pro]

He isn't suitable to T20 but we also don't have any options to replace him.

 

[last_knight]

Open in T20s.
#3 in ODIs
And
#5 in Tests.

That's what it should be for Babar.
In tests, Should be #4 in 18 months time.

 

[Ultimate]

I agree, should only play ODI and T20I cricket, as he doesn't deserve to be selected in the Test team, yet.

 

[London_Lahori]

Should defo play T20 cricket, we need someone to anchor the innings and get 50 (40).

We're prone to collapses and he'll help prevent them more often than not.

 

[Hawkeye]

Babar SR: 116
Kohli SR: 135

.......

Lol, perfect example of stats manipulation to take digs at a player you don't like. Even though he's your best.

Reality is below:

Babar after 8 innings: Ave 54 SR 115
Kohli after 8 innings: Ave 23 SR 119

It's amazing how these people defend the limited one dimensional accumulators like Sarfraz and Malik, but hate on a free flowing stroke maker. The best we have who has done well against top bowlers.

These Sarfrazs and Maliks won't get a place in the current Bangladesh side even ! [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION]

 

[wasimjunior]

Babar should play no cricket. He should find an alternative career.

 

[super hitter]

So Babar played another quick fire 38 of 36 to lead the team to a close crunching victory,

ps; the target was 125

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

He should play all formats.
I have seen him anchoring innings and finish matches in doemstic t20s.

30 off 25, 40 off 30, and 70 off 50 kind of innings which is fine.

 

[waleed88]

Most selfish youngster to have ever played for Pakistan..

 

[waleed88]

Should defo play T20 cricket, we need someone to anchor the innings and get 50 (40).

We're prone to collapses and he'll help prevent them more often than not.

More like a 50 of 48 deliveries is the max acceleration in his repertoire.. the guy was singlehandedly responsible for losing us two games against the Aussies, thanks to his 50s at a strike rate of 50

 

[Hawkeye]

Babar should play no cricket. He should find an alternative career.

I hope it's sarcasm...

Most selfish youngster to have ever played for Pakistan..

Lol.

 

[Pete Rose]

He can't be faulted for the opposition he faces. But West Indies is a good team to face

 

[srh]

Another bad inning from him; fortunately did not cost Pakistan the match with his selfish inning

 

[Khan12]

He can't be faulted for the opposition he faces. But West Indies is a good team to face

Yes let's discount his performances in the odis against Australia and new zeland and pick his performance against west indies.

 

[Pete Rose]

Yes let's discount his performances in the odis against Australia and new zeland and pick his performance against west indies.

Remind me, how many fifties did he manage in Australia. He might Pakistans best hope, but this knee jerk defending doesn't make him a brigh prospect. I don't rate him yet. You can, though

 

[waleed88]

Lol, perfect example of stats manipulation to take digs at a player you don't like. Even though he's your best.

Reality is below:





It's amazing how these people defend the limited one dimensional accumulators like Sarfraz and Malik, but hate on a free flowing stroke maker. The best we have who has done well against top bowlers.

These Sarfrazs and Maliks won't get a place in the current Bangladesh side even ! [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION]

Free flowing stroke makers who have played their last 6 innings at a run a ball... if Fawad Alam or Asad Shafiq or even Shehzad played that same innings people would 'mai na kehta tha???'

 

[Pete Rose]

Brightest prospects win you games. Still to get there

 

[Khan12]

Remind me, how many fifties did he manage in Australia. He might Pakistans best hope, but this knee jerk defending doesn't make him a brigh prospect. I don't rate him yet. You can, though

1 50 and a century in odi. It's not about defending. I agree he needs to improve a lot in a lot of things and neither am I forcing you to be his fan. But what I don't like is pick and choosing teams to suit you.

 

[waleed88]

Last 9 t20 innings for Babar Azam :

38 (36)
43 (38)
27 (28)
29 (30)
1 (7)
25 (21)
27 (27)
49 (42)
36 (37)

Is Virat Kohli they said, plays like Ahmed Shehzad.. they never said

 

[waleed88]

If Babar Azam is a gun t20 player, why not bring Asad Shafiq into the t20 squad too... he was scoring at a similar strike rate to Baby in the PSL...

Oh yes I forgot, Babar is young he has time [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]

 

[PakLFC]

It is not plausible to play all three forms of the game. He will exhaust himself if he were to do that.

 

[Khan12]

If Babar Azam is a gun t20 player, why not bring Asad Shafiq into the t20 squad too... he was scoring at a similar strike rate to Baby in the PSL...

Oh yes I forgot, Babar is young he has time [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]

Have a look at his odi stats.

 

[waleed88]

Have a look at his odi stats.

Ohhhhh the ODI stat debate for a t20? Really?

So the way for Babar fans to justify is sorry approach to a t20 game.... look at his ODI stats, he is Viv Kohli in the making

 

[KingKhanWC]

No because he will be our captain in all formats in the near future.

A great stroke maker who can turn up the pace if needed, give him time to show this.

 

[waleed88]

Please kick him out as soon as possible, unless you want another Ahmed Shehzad to be in your lineup

 

[waleed88]

No because he will be our captain in all formats in the near future.

A great stroke maker who can turn up the pace if needed, give him time to show this.

Does that time come after 20 overs? Or before that? I have yet to see that happen..

 

[Khan12]

Ohhhhh the ODI stat debate for a t20? Really?

So the way for Babar fans to justify is sorry approach to a t20 game.... look at his ODI stats, he is Viv Kohli in the making

Just to make you happy shafiq t20 stats read 19 Ave and 103 strike rate. Please tell me you will take that over a person who averages 50 and a strike rate of 115

 

[Pete Rose]

1 50 and a century in odi. It's not about defending. I agree he needs to improve a lot in a lot of things and neither am I forcing you to be his fan. But what I don't like is pick and choosing teams to suit you.

Why wouldn't I pick and choose. We moan day and night about batsmen who can't take the game head on. And now we are supposed happy that we have a Malik but with better technique. My fear is that there will be no improvement. But if he doe that's great.

 

[MMHS]

Ohhhhh the ODI stat debate for a t20? Really?

So the way for Babar fans to justify is sorry approach to a t20 game.... look at his ODI stats, he is Viv Kohli in the making

Though, you you brought ODI stats for Babar's case ......

Anyway, Asad was given a bit of T20 also to show his range - 10 matches to be precise. It stands average of 19 & SR of 103, with a top score of 38 ........................

Keep trying, it's Sunday & I have completed my Sunday Choufuer's job .........

 

[Ellipsism]

No because he will be our captain in all formats in the near future.

A great stroke maker who can turn up the pace if needed, give him time to show this.

Looked clueless when captaining Pakistan A.

Doesn't come across as a natural leader.

 

[waleed88]

Just to make you happy shafiq t20 stats read 19 Ave and 103 strike rate. Please tell me you will take that over a person who averages 50 and a strike rate of 115

My My look at the difference in strike rate... ufff!!

a batsman who bats at 103, to a batsman who bats at a mammoth 115... we are looking at something groundbreaking in the making

 

[waleed88]

Though, you you brought ODI stats for Babar's case ......

Anyway, Asad was given a bit of T20 also to show his range - 10 matches to be precise. It stands average of 19 & SR of 103, with a top score of 38 ........................

Keep trying, it's Sunday & I have completed my Sunday Choufuer's job .........

The arguement was Shafiq plays at a similar strike rate to Azam.. and both got runs at a similar rate in the PSL... the arguement still stands, because the excess of selfishness from Azam on display, he will go on to make many runs for Pakistan, but few victories..

will atmost make us lose gracefully thanks to his loser mentality

 

[Khan12]

Why wouldn't I pick and choose. We moan day and night about batsmen who can't take the game head on. And now we are supposed happy that we have a Malik but with better technique. My fear is that there will be no improvement. But if he doe that's great.

If I remember correctly malik has never scored a century against teams like Australia etc when he does please let me know.

 

[Khan12]

My My look at the difference in strike rate... ufff!!

a batsman who bats at 103, to a batsman who bats at a mammoth 115... we are looking at something groundbreaking in the making

Yes let's ignore the average plus if you don't know maths the difference is of more then 10 runs which is quite a lot. Hope it helps. Pick and chose what score would you have 150 or 160. I guess 150 because 10 runs don't make a difference.

 

[waleed88]

If I remember correctly malik has never scored a century against teams like Australia etc when he does please let me know.

Babar Azam averages 11 against Australia in Test Matches, when he scores more than 23 runs against the Aussies please let me know..

 

[Syed1]

With Azam in the side we would need 5 Sharjeels to chase anything over 150

 

[waleed88]

Yes let's ignore the average plus if you don't know maths the difference is of more then 10 runs which is quite a lot. Hope it helps. Pick and chose what score would you have 150 or 160. I guess 150 because 10 runs don't make a difference.

Yes, that is why Pakistan cricket is where it is at the moment, Babar Azam fans gloating because they think a Strike Rate of 8 points off from Asad Shafiq is a very very big deal

 

[MMHS]

The arguement was Shafiq plays at a similar strike rate to Azam.. and both got runs at a similar rate in the PSL... the arguement still stands, because the excess of selfishness from Azam on display, he will go on to make many runs for Pakistan, but few victories..

will atmost make us lose gracefully thanks to his loser mentality

Again comes with a footnote - one has scored 291 runs at 33 average & 111 SR, while the other 147 @ 24/108.

Therefore, it almost makes sense to compare Tendulkar with Moin Khan - both's entire career SR is similar, albeit ST had a little bit higher average & he scored a little bit more runs.

 

[Pete Rose]

If I remember correctly malik has never scored a century against teams like Australia etc when he does please let me know.

Sure but mediocre Malik has a few matchwinnig centuries.

 

[waleed88]

Again comes with a footnote - one has scored 291 runs at 33 average & 111 SR, while the other 147 @ 24/108.

Therefore, it almost makes sense to compare Tendulkar with Moin Khan - both's entire career SR is similar, albeit ST had a little bit higher average & he scored a little bit more runs.

Completely wrong examples... [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] at it again with random names which make no sense at all... this post as poor from you as the one when you said Zulfiqar Babar is fitter than Sarfraz ahmed...

 

[KingKhanWC]

Looked clueless when captaining Pakistan A.

Doesn't come across as a natural leader.

What is a natural leader? He captained the U19 team too, his captaincy potential was seen from a young age.

 

[waleed88]

What is a natural leader? He captained the U19 team too, his captaincy potential was seen from a young age.

Sometimes even exposure won't do you wonders... his family history doesn't inspire the confidence of someone who thinks alot

 

[Khan12]

Babar Azam averages 11 against Australia in Test Matches, when he scores more than 23 runs against the Aussies please let me know..

I sure would and we are talking about odi's and t20 not test and I want replying to you anyway. I guess you have taken misbah's comments to heart. If babar Azam doesn't perform in the nest 2 test series then drop and and even if he is dropped from test now will be justified. I am not a person who defends player that don't perform . unfortunately same can't be said about a lot of people who have made it life time mission to defend their favourites.

 

[MMHS]

Completely wrong examples... [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] at it again with random names which make no sense at all... this post as poor from you as the one when you said Zulfiqar Babar is fitter than Sarfraz ahmed...

Why recalling a post that won't bring you good memories - since you called for it, that poor post had a bit more than the one liner you are trying to sell here - bother to post the link?

I tried to explain with real life example that despite batting with similar Strike Rate, there could be a bit other differentiation between Babar & Asad. I never thought that you were not aware of who Tendulkar & Moin Khan were - they are a bit more famous to be random names to me.

 

[Khan12]

Sure but mediocre Malik has a few matchwinnig centuries.

Yeah and he has played few hundred matches too when babar plays that many then compare him.

 

[Madplayer]

If we are comparing w.rt their age, then it should be made clear that Babar is this /that to Kohli when he was at Babar's age.Otherwise, the comparison is worthless.

That is what i am saying.

A couple of blind haters are comparing him to kohlis and Ab of today. kohli didnt look anything special at babar's age or after the same no. of matches. If it were up to such fickle fans, players like AB, kohli, amla and even tendulkar would have been dropped forever because they didnt have great starts to their careers.

 

[waleed88]

I sure would and we are talking about odi's and t20 not test and I want replying to you anyway. I guess you have taken misbah's comments to heart. If babar Azam doesn't perform in the nest 2 test series then drop and and even if he is dropped from test now will be justified. I am not a person who defends player that don't perform . unfortunately same can't be said about a lot of people who have made it life time mission to defend their favourites.

So you can talk about one format, and justify his stats by posting stats from another format... but you don't like it when someone posts a stat from a third format, since it is irrelevant and doesn't make Babar Azam look like Hercules, son of Zeus

 

[waleed88]

That is what i am saying.

A couple of blind haters are comparing him to kohlis and Ab of today. kohli didnt look anything special at babar's age or after the same no. of matches. If it were up to such fickle fans, players like AB, kohli, amla and even tendulkar would have been dropped forever because they didnt have great starts to their careers.

Yes Babar Azam is Virat Kohli, Ab De in the making.. we have heard that 100s of times you are not the first one...

 

[Chief Destroyer]

When your game scrutinized this much at 22, you know you're a special player in the making.

Babar's just getting started. He's got the shots. Now it's about learning to assess the conditions, situation, areas to target at different stages of the game, capitalizing against certain bowlers and learning to take control when on top. A lot of responsibility at 3 for a 22 year old and he doesn't look fazed at all.

Currently, he has a few technical errors which makes his shot making inconsistent. His wrist is breaking and the right hip opening up when he looks to fully extend the bat swing, he's got to maintain his base better. These are minor errors which can be corrected within a matter of months. He's got the bat speed, leverage and timing.

 

[Abdullah719]

Yes Babar Azam is Virat Kohli, Ab De in the making.. we have heard that 100s of times you are not the first one...

Why didn't India drop Kohli after 8 T20Is when his average was 30 runs worse than Babar's and strike-rate was similar?

 

[waleed88]

Why recalling a post that won't bring you good memories - since you called for it, that poor post had a bit more than the one liner you are trying to sell here - bother to post the link?

I tried to explain with real life example that despite batting with similar Strike Rate, there could be a bit other differentiation between Babar & Asad. I never thought that you were not aware of who Tendulkar & Moin Khan were - they are a bit more famous to be random names to me.

So I'm pretty sure you realize neither Tendulkar had an average of 33 in ODis, secondly Moin Khan never played t20s... so I don't know which stats you are trying to compare of which player, but both these comparisons fall short of what you are trying to achieve as a poster... trying to explain the difference between Asad Shafiq and Babar Azam.. clearly there is not alot of daylight in their batting, considering the mediocre strike rate they play, also considering Shafiq didn't play as many games as Babar...

 

[Justcrazy]

He should play only in two formats , OD and Test

 

[waleed88]

Why didn't India drop Kohli after 8 T20Is when his average was 30 runs worse than Babar's and strike-rate was similar?

Because in India, players are judged on what they can do... and Virat Kohli didn't have a selfish streak in him.. they saw something in him, and it wasn't selfishess I will tell you..

Kohli Jr Azam is headed for a Hafeez, Malik like career..

Kohli had Tendulkar, Dravid and Sehwag as mentors...

This guy is on his way to extreme mediocrity

 

[aloo paratha]

Lol, perfect example of stats manipulation to take digs at a player you don't like. Even though he's your best.

Reality is below:





It's amazing how these people defend the limited one dimensional accumulators like Sarfraz and Malik, but hate on a free flowing stroke maker. The best we have who has done well against top bowlers.

These Sarfrazs and Maliks won't get a place in the current Bangladesh side even ! [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION]

You called Babar a Kohli like player, hence I think it is fair for me to assume you are talking about the current SRs of players not when they both had 8 innings

Perfect example of manipulation of stats to favor you favorite player who as of now, is nothing more than mediocre in this format.