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Babar Azam versus Lokesh Rahul

tyron_woodley said:
anyway Rahul is better at being the crappier player out of the two.

this thread should be closed honestly.

insult to even compare babar to this clown Rahul.
babar vs kohli smith rohit warner etc for odi.
babar already better than Kane, root in odi.
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No comparison with kohli and rohit they in a league of their own in odi cricket well babar is easily better than smith and warner in Odis
 
Mean&Green said:
No comparison with kohli and rohit they in a league of their own in odi cricket well babar is easily better than smith and warner in Odis
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Not Warner because Warner has a good record as an opener.
I will they are equal.
 
Waleed93 said:
Kohli ranks 15th just because he skipped a lot of T20Is recently. Nobody doubts the man who won 2 MoT awards in the last 2 WT20s.
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You didn't get the context, my point is just cuz Babar ranked 1 in t20 doesn't mean he is the best. There are at least a dozen players better than him in this shortest format of the game.
 
I think this thread has got too boring. only a couple of fan boyz trolling and keeping this thread alive.

I want to see an Abid Ali vs (an indian batsman) thread please :bhajji
 
Babar is better batsmen now. He seems to be more conifident that Rahul.

I believe KL Rahul changes his batting to suit imited overs cricket. That is where the money is. In the process, he became a poorer test bat.

It is very difficult transition for a player to be equally good in T20's and Tests. The transisition is too big. In T20s it is enough if you can bat for 6-10 overs. In test matches a batsman should be capable of batting for 2-3 sessions. In my opinion, unless you are top talent like Kohli or Babar, no batsman from T20 should be playing in tests. If I were a coach, I would set up batting units like this:
T20s --> Specialist T20 batsmen
ODIs --> Specialist T20 batsmen + Specialist Test batsmen
Tests -> Specialist Test batsmen.
 
Rayyman said:
Rahul is 3 years older and imo has the potential to be an Indian great, but that's it. Babar has the potential to be one of the best batsman of all time and Pakistan's best.
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Three years later and this still holds true
 
One of them is ranked in the top 10 in every format.
The other one just about managed to sneak in the top 10 in T20I rankings.
 
Mean&Green said:
No comparison with kohli and rohit they in a league of their own in odi cricket well babar is easily better than smith and warner in Odis
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Warner is in the league of Kohli and Rohit as well. In fact I rate him as the superior opener between him and the latter.

So at present I would say Babar < Warner, but that could change as Babar has now reached his peak.
 
Even as someone who believed in KL Rahul, I’d say it’s time to close this thread. No comparison between the two.
 
topspin said:
Warner is in the league of Kohli and Rohit as well. In fact I rate him as the superior opener between him and the latter.

So at present I would say Babar < Warner, but that could change as Babar has now reached his peak.
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I don't think a batsman reaches his peak when's he's only 4 years into his international career.

I think he'll reach his peak 2-3 years. Right now he's just improving.
 
Overall as a player Babar is better. But Rahul isn't that far away right now.

My Prediction is Babar will still end up better than Rahul at the end.
 
Ronaldo7 said:
I don't think a batsman reaches his peak when's he's only 4 years into his international career.

I think he'll reach his peak 2-3 years. Right now he's just improving.
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What I meant to say was, he's in his peak years now.
 
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KL showing his class again.. and with good strike rate. Unlike some stat farmer.:babar
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Showing his class against the 9th ranked ODI team, who have only one bowler in the Top 50, AT HOME.

What a TAL-UNT
 
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Why's this thread getting bumped up again and again??

Rahul is nowhere near Babar and Indians should accept that. No point getting hyper over meaningless hundreds against the 9th ranked ODI team.
 
Rahul is a match winning player and Babar is a supportive player. You cannot afford another Babar like player in a team.
 
Ronaldo7 said:
Showing his class against the 9th ranked ODI team, who have only one bowler in the Top 50, AT HOME.

What a TAL-UNT
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8 out of Babar's 11 odi tons came against WI, SL and Zimbabwe, Talunt indeed 😂

Not saying Rahul is better in this format but goes to to show that everyone bashaes minnows and pad up stats.
 
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Hyperion66 said:
8 out of Babar's 11 odi tons came against WI, SL and Zimbabwe, Talunt indeed 😂

Not saying Rahul is better in this format but goes to to show that everyone bashaes minnows and pad up stats.
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Scored over 500 in the World Cup with a strike rate of around 90.
Didn't score them against Sri Lanka, WI or Zimbabwe.

So what's you point?
 
big_gamer007 said:
10 runs in 11 deliveries is bad?

11 runs in 11 deliveries if you count wide.
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How's it 11 runs if you count the wide lol?

10 runs in 11 balls is bad considering how easy the pitch is and looking at how many overs were left in the innings.

Should have taken no more than 6-7 balls.
 
Hyperion66 said:
8 out of Babar's 11 odi tons came against WI, SL and Zimbabwe, Talunt indeed 😂

Not saying Rahul is better in this format but goes to to show that everyone bashaes minnows and pad up stats.
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Also he has 15 fifties.
Only two of which are against WI, SL and Zimbabwe.

Take a look at Rahul's ODI record lol
 
Ronaldo7 said:
How's it 11 runs if you count the wide lol?

10 runs in 11 balls is bad considering how easy the pitch is and looking at how many overs were left in the innings.

Should have taken no more than 6-7 balls.
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It's ODI cricket not stick cricket. If it worked like that you will see 500+ scores and 400+ scores regularly. Fatigue, placement of innings, playing ball on merit etc all count. Indian team is no England which continue bashing for 50 overs, every other team apart from England generally go berserk in last 10-12 overs.

Wide gives 1 extra run to the team score and does not add the ball. So 11 in 11 to team score while Rahul was batting.

Rahul might be selfish, however, the example you gave of 10 runs in 11 balls in 35th over is a pretty bad example. It shows how much people lack knowledge about the game and batting in general, expecting real matches to be stick cricket-like.
 
Ronaldo7 said:
Also he has 15 fifties.
Only two of which are against WI, SL and Zimbabwe.

Take a look at Rahul's ODI record lol
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Kl played 23 innings compared to Babar's 72 for crying out loud. He was never blessed with a consistent run due to the our ATG top 3.
 
big_gamer007 said:
It's ODI cricket not stick cricket. If it worked like that you will see 500+ scores and 400+ scores regularly. Fatigue, placement of innings, playing ball on merit etc all count. Indian team is no England which continue bashing for 50 overs, every other team apart from England generally go berserk in last 10-12 overs.

Wide gives 1 extra run to the team score and does not add the ball. So 11 in 11 to team score while Rahul was batting.

Rahul might be selfish, however, the example you gave of 10 runs in 11 balls in 35th over is a pretty bad example. It shows how much people lack knowledge about the game and batting in general, expecting real matches to be stick cricket-like.
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What are you even on about?

You've literally agreed with what I just said "Rahul might be selfish" so what was the point of writing a whole essay? Lol
 
Ronaldo7 said:
What are you even on about?

You've literally agreed with what I just said "Rahul might be selfish" so what was the point of writing a whole essay? Lol
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Every great player is selfish to a certain extent. Rahul will be no exception. Point I made was to your post which was calling out Rahul's 10 runs in 11 deliveries. Which is pretty normal during the 35th over of an ODI innings.
 
Hyperion66 said:
Kl played 23 innings compared to Babar's 72 for crying out loud. He was never blessed with a consistent run due to the our ATG top 3.
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Then don't compare him with Babar then lol

Is it guaranteed that he'd do good if given a consistent run?

What's the point of coming up with hypothetical scenarios?

When he does something with his career then come back to this thread otherwise there's no point.
 
Ronaldo7 said:
Then don't compare him with Babar then lol

Is it guaranteed that he'd do good if given a consistent run?

What's the point of coming up with hypothetical scenarios?

When he does something with his career then come back to this thread otherwise there's no point.
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Irony. Your countrymen say Babar is on par with Kohli and better than Root and Williamson on "current form". :misbah
 
Mesozoic said:
Irony. Your countrymen say Babar is on par with Kohli and better than Root and Williamson on "current form". :misbah
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What are you on about?
Are you saying Rahul is better than Babar on current form?
 
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Balthazar said:
Babar fans shouldn't complain about the strike rate of other players. Can he even hit sixes going by how painfully slow he is in T20s?
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He's been striking at 90+ in ODIs in 2019. Compare it with Rahul (70 odd).

He has also been striking at 135+ in T20is this year.
So he isn't "painfully slow"

Don't get salty lol
 
Ronaldo7 said:
He's been striking at 90+ in ODIs in 2019. Compare it with Rahul (70 odd).

He has also been striking at 135+ in T20is this year.
So he isn't "painfully slow"

Don't get salty lol
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lol.. 135 is slow by T20 standards. Wake me up when he learns to bat at a strike rate of 180+.
 
Ronaldo7 said:
Then don't compare him with Babar then lol

Is it guaranteed that he'd do good if given a consistent run?

What's the point of coming up with hypothetical scenarios?

When he does something with his career then come back to this thread otherwise there's no point.
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If you read properly you would notice that I didn't create this thread. Also this thread is not just a specific format based comparison.

Probably Rahul would have done better if given a decent run at the top early in his career. We will never know but that shouldn't stop anyone from speculating. I see people going hypothetical about Babar's lack of impact and strike rate in t20 that if he had better players supporting him would have batted at a higher strike rate. Hypothesis based on analyzing current features are a part and parcel of a debate, doesn't matter one bit if you don't like them.

I will frequent this thread to provide timely reality checks to people who overrate Babar. There is not a thing you can do about that.
 
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ARK Rafay said:
Overall as a player Babar is better. But Rahul isn't that far away right now.

My Prediction is Babar will still end up better than Rahul at the end.
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No. he is very far away.

In order to get anywhere near Babar, he needs to have 2-3 excellent years in all formats.
 
Usman Chadda said:
Babar is slow in T20Is? Is this Babar Azam from Pakistan, or some other?
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I'm fond of Babar Azam, but so far in his career he has been slow in T20Is, as evident by his strike rate in the format of 127-128.

It's time for him to kick on and after a great showing in the WC and during the Blast stint at Somerset, I believe this success will give him the confidence to consistently bat at a 135+ strike rate.

But for now, Babar's critics have a valid claim about the tempo of his innings in T20Is.
 
topspin said:
I'm fond of Babar Azam, but so far in his career he has been slow in T20Is, as evident by his strike rate in the format of 127-128.

It's time for him to kick on and after a great showing in the WC and during the Blast stint at Somerset, I believe this success will give him the confidence to consistently bat at a 135+ strike rate.

But for now, Babar's critics have a valid claim about the tempo of his innings in T20Is.
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Not a valid claim because the pitches of the UAE don't allow for a batsman to score for over 150 as it is just not needed.

A strike rate of 125-130 is enough. We've defended totals of less than 150 many times in the UAE.
 
Sidilicious said:
Not that I agree with the initial comment of Babar being a support player etc, however, how is a wide supposed to be counted as a ball against a batsman?
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I was talking about how many balls he faced.
He faced 12 while 11 were legal.
 
topspin said:
I'm fond of Babar Azam, but so far in his career he has been slow in T20Is, as evident by his strike rate in the format of 127-128.

It's time for him to kick on and after a great showing in the WC and during the Blast stint at Somerset, I believe this success will give him the confidence to consistently bat at a 135+ strike rate.

But for now, Babar's critics have a valid claim about the tempo of his innings in T20Is.
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I agree he has to bat at a faster clip. He is good enough to do so, but a SR of 135 is not 'painfully slow' by any standard.
 
Hyperion66 said:
If you read properly you would notice that I didn't create this thread. Also this thread is not just a specific format based comparison.

Probably Rahul would have done better if given a decent run at the top early in his career. We will never know but that shouldn't stop anyone from speculating. I see people going hypothetical about Babar's lack of impact and strike rate in t20 that if he had better players supporting him would have batted at a higher strike rate. Hypothesis based on analyzing current features are a part and parcel of a debate, doesn't matter one bit if you don't like them.

I will frequent this thread to provide timely reality checks to people who overrate Babar. There is not a thing you can do about that.
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He's been given a decent run. He's played 10 matches this year but what has he done?

He has an average of around 37 with a strike rate of around 75 in 2019
 
Hyperion66 said:
If you read properly you would notice that I didn't create this thread. Also this thread is not just a specific format based comparison.

Probably Rahul would have done better if given a decent run at the top early in his career. We will never know but that shouldn't stop anyone from speculating. I see people going hypothetical about Babar's lack of impact and strike rate in t20 that if he had better players supporting him would have batted at a higher strike rate. Hypothesis based on analyzing current features are a part and parcel of a debate, doesn't matter one bit if you don't like them.

I will frequent this thread to provide timely reality checks to people who overrate Babar. There is not a thing you can do about that.
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“Overrate” lmao that’s why the mans the only other batsman after kohli in the top ten rankings of all formats. Man your hate for babar is disgusting but it’s good keep hating and he will keep making you use more burnol
 
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Usman Chadda said:
I agree he has to bat at a faster clip. He is good enough to do so, but a SR of 135 is not 'painfully slow' by any standard.
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Guess who :virat
 
Mean&Green said:
“Overrate” lmao that’s why the mans the only other batsman after kohli in the top ten rankings of all formats. Man your hate for babar is disgusting but it’s good keep hating and he will keep making you use more burnol
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Babar's averaging 60 in 2019 at a strike rate of 90+ after playing 20 matches (9 in a world cup) and this guy has the audacity to say that he's overrated:)))
 
Ronaldo7 said:
Babar's averaging 60 in 2019 at a strike rate of 90+ after playing 20 matches (9 in a world cup) and this guy has the audacity to say that he's overrated:)))
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Plus he’s played the least matches with the most number of runs with the highest average if you look at it that way so he’s been top LOI batsman in the year as well yet this serial Pakistan hater has the audacity to try and call him overrated and yes [MENTION=148927]Hyperion66[/MENTION] I’m talking about you since last time you got hurt cause I didn’t quote you
 
Ronaldo7 said:
Not a valid claim because the pitches of the UAE don't allow for a batsman to score for over 150 as it is just not needed.

A strike rate of 125-130 is enough. We've defended totals of less than 150 many times in the UAE.
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I agree with you in respect of T20Is played in Abu Dhabi because that ground is the worst T20 wicket because not only is it the slowest wicket in world cricket but batsmen are also compounded by the boundary size.

I don't think Dubai and Sharjah are as bad though, but I acknowledge scoring 180+ isn't always realistic in the UAE.

His SR of 149.35 in the Blast this season shows me to he has evolved as a batsman and his strike rate will exceed 130 at some point in the coming year, so I certainly wouldn't be content with a strike rate of 125-130.
 
Ronaldo7 said:
He's been given a decent run. He's played 10 matches this year but what has he done?

He has an average of around 37 with a strike rate of around 75 in 2019
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Precisely why Babar is so much ahead of him right now in ODI. Some of you folks don't read posts and would blindly bash anyone who are not on board of this Babar hype train.
 
Mean&Green said:
Plus he’s played the least matches with the most number of runs with the highest average if you look at it that way so he’s been top LOI batsman in the year as well yet this serial Pakistan hater has the audacity to try and call him overrated and yes [MENTION=148927]Hyperion66[/MENTION] I’m talking about you since last time you got hurt cause I didn’t quote you
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Considering most Pak players these days come with a short career span I would rather see him playing a bit more before calling him one of the best in the world. Babar is going through a purple patch right now so I will wait and see how long it lasts and how he evolves and improves his game accordingly once it is over. Even Fakhar and Hasan had purple patches like that, albeit for s shorter period. Not saying Babar is a hack like them but I would still wait and see if he can maintain performances against top teams now that he has been well rated and noticed by the world.
 
Hyperion66 said:
Considering most Pak players these days come with a short career span I would rather see him playing a bit more before calling him one of the best in the world. Babar is going through a purple patch right now so I will wait and see how long it lasts and how he evolves and improves his game accordingly once it is over. Even Fakhar and Hasan had purple patches like that, albeit for s shorter period. Not saying Babar is a hack like them but I would still wait and see if he can maintain performances against top teams now that he has been well rated and noticed by the world.
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Purple patch and all is fine, but tell me how many matches has the Babar own for his team? Calling Rahul a minnowbasher because he scored a 100 against WI but but but Babar scored all his 100s against India, England and Aus??? Besides that 1 WC match vs NZ, are there any other matches has the Pak superstar own for his team while chasing? I don't get what all this hype about his averages and being in top ICC ranks when he's not winning any games for his team. Heck! The peak sachin with worst Indian batting lineup in 90s has own more matches for India singlehandedly. Ross Taylor, Williamson, Root, Smith, Warner, Rohit Sharma, Kohli are elite class batsmen and putting Babar in their group is an insult all these batsmen who helped their countries win matches. Let Babar score as many centuries and boost his personal records, but his avg means nothing if he's not winning matches for his country, period!
 
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100 on a flat track.
There are many Indian batsmen better than Rahul. Rahul and Vijay are the reason india lost vs safrica in 2018.
Rahul is a walking wick let in seaming conditions.

babar is so much more consistent in limited overs. Not much of a debate really
Although I think he is massively overrated in tests (recent 100 also on flat road in aus) . But Atleast he is not a duck against seam
 
I think a more appropriate comparison would be Shai hope vs babar azam.

I think shai hope is better. Babar is slightly overrated
 
RainStopsPlay said:
Purple patch and all is fine, but tell me how many matches has the Babar own for his team? Calling Rahul a minnowbasher because he scored a 100 against WI but but but Babar scored all his 100s against India, England and Aus??? Besides that 1 WC match vs NZ, are there any other matches has the Pak superstar own for his team while chasing? I don't get what all this hype about his averages and being in top ICC ranks when he's not winning any games for his team. Heck! The peak sachin with worst Indian batting lineup in 90s has own more matches for India singlehandedly. Ross Taylor, Williamson, Root, Smith, Warner, Rohit Sharma, Kohli are elite class batsmen and putting Babar in their group is an insult all these batsmen who helped their countries win matches. Let Babar score as many centuries and boost his personal records, but his avg means nothing if he's not winning matches for his country, period!
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I agree completely.
 
Bel_Homme said:
Has he figured out how to play Kuldeep yet?
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Hey, every batsman has his weakness, though we'll probably have to wait till the next ICC event to know the answer to that.

Back to the Rahul comparison i.e. the topic of this thread.... let's see his stats for 2019.

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This thread isn't about whether Babar's one of the best batsmen in the world currently.

It's asking whether he's better than Rahul or not. So give your answer for this. Stop with the whataboutery.

Is he better than Rahul? YES he is.

The End
No need to talk about random stuff not related to this thread.
 
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Ronaldo7 said:
This thread isn't about whether Babar's one of the best batsmen in the world currently.

It's asking whether he's better than Rahul or not. So give your answer for this. Stop with the whataboutery.

Is he better than Rahul? YES he is.

The End
No need to talk about random stuff not related to this thread.
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In terms of achievement, Babar Azam is miles ahead of KL Rahul in limited overs format. But KL Rahul is a "matchwinner" i.e. someone who can singlehandedly win you the game. I wouldn't call Babar a "matchwinner" in LOIs. Maybe sometimes in T20s but certainly not in ODIs.

On the other hand, they both have very similar records in tests, with KL even having more centuries than Babar, both overall and in SENA. But clearly, Babar is a better test batsman than KL Rahul.

So stats is not everything. Sometimes you just have to watch the game to really be able to see who actually is better and at what.
 
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ak619 said:
In terms of achievement, Babar Azam is miles ahead of KL Rahul in limited overs format. But KL Rahul is a "matchwinner" i.e. someone who can singlehandedly win you the game. I wouldn't call Babar a "matchwinner" in LOIs. Maybe sometimes in T20s but certainly not in ODIs.

On the other hand, they both have very similar records in tests, with KL even having more centuries than Babar, both overall and in SENA. But clearly, Babar is a better test batsman than KL Rahul.

So stats is not everything. Sometimes you just have to watch the game to really be able to see who actually is better and at what.
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When has Rahul ever singlehandedly won you an ODI match?
 
ak619 said:
In terms of achievement, Babar Azam is miles ahead of KL Rahul in limited overs format. But KL Rahul is a "matchwinner" i.e. someone who can singlehandedly win you the game. I wouldn't call Babar a "matchwinner" in LOIs. Maybe sometimes in T20s but certainly not in ODIs.

On the other hand, they both have very similar records in tests, with KL even having more centuries than Babar, both overall and in SENA. But clearly, Babar is a better test batsman than KL Rahul.

So stats is not everything. Sometimes you just have to watch the game to really be able to see who actually is better and at what.
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And how do you actually quantify this match winning capability? Umar Akmal also was a match winner. Damn, I think UA actually won more matches for Pakistan then Rahul did for India so far.
 
Babar has the right attitude is very very hardworking and that’s all that matters. He’s proven that all this tailunt talk is nonsense.
 
Indian fans need to accept that Babar is miles better than KL in both tests and ODIs. They are par in T20s.

KL is also a stat farmer.

Pant, Gill, Shaw are the ones they should have hope for as far as competing with Babar goes.
 
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