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Babar Azam versus Lokesh Rahul

Individuals who are hyped as potential ATGs should at least make the team stronger than it was before. You take out Pak's odi stats from 2012-2016 and compare it with post Babar Pak from 2017-20 I am pretty sure there won't be much of a difference result wise, hell if anything Pak used to win more matches back then. What is the point of having such stat padding individual in the team? Consistency is overrated, if You can't win matches, can't help win matches, your team lose despite you scoring consistently, I am sorry but then you are probably ain't good enough.

Rahul played 28 odi so far and batted in every position possible from top to middle. Let him play 70 matches like Babar then we can whine about his impact. [MENTION=142432]Titan24[/MENTION]

How good Tendulkar was able to make Indian team in 90s and 2000s? I dont remember Indian team being world beater considering how high Tendulkar is rated?

I hope Rahul he plays 70 ODI matches soon as clearly it looks like Indian management didnt rate him much as a middle order prospect in ODIs as Kedhar Jhadav, Dinesh Karthik, Vijay Shanker, Ambati Raydu were playing over him and he now atleast got another opportunity when he took gloves. The way you some are rating KL Rahul, the names playing above him in Indian team had to be Bradman’s level which I dont think the names I have mentioned were.
 
omg we are still debating who is better.
babar is ahead in tests by far. Most important format winner is clearly babar.

I would say Rahul can be a better t20 batsman than babar. his power hitting is better than babar.

babar is ahead in odi but Rahul is showing some.glimpses of his potential.

I would still take babar. babar is just behind kohli, smith, warner, rohit in odi.
 
omg we are still debating who is better.
babar is ahead in tests by far. Most important format winner is clearly babar.

I would say Rahul can be a better t20 batsman than babar. his power hitting is better than babar.

babar is ahead in odi but Rahul is showing some.glimpses of his potential.

I would still take babar. babar is just behind kohli, smith, warner, rohit in odi.

I am not sure Babar is better than Dhawan in the ODIs.
 
Where is Rahuls fan boy Hyperion today lol excuses he was tired cause of wicketkeeping

This is getting tiring man lol You don't have to bump. This guy is being shunted all over. Today he was forced to open again. KOhli played at no.4 just one. But failed. THink about Rahul who batted at no.3 , no.5 no.1 in this series.
 
Babar azam has the excellent opportunity to pad up his stats further against bd side that too at home .hopefully rahul mafia don't bash babar for "weak opposition "as rahul had already played against some of the top team like w.i,sl and bd
 
One good innings doesn't make Rahul better than Babar and one failure doesn't mean Rahul is a talentless hack.

However, what is difficult to understand for some people is the fact that had Babar been in Rahul's shoes, he would have made the Indian No.4 spot his own by now.

On the other hand, had Rahul been in Babar's shoes, he would not have been able to carry Pakistan's mediocre batting line up on his shoulders, something Babar is doing since his debut at the age of 21.

Babar has the misfortune to play in a team where he is on a different planet altogether when it comes to batting ability. Rahul plays in a team where 3 batsmen are vastly superior to him, where his early dismissial doesn't trigger any batting collapse, where all he needs to do is play his natural game without worrying about anything else.

No one can consistently win cricket matches on his own all the time. Tendulkar himself had to carry the burden of a rubbish team in the 90s, where he would play a masterclass, only to watch his teammates bottle it straight after his wicket. I am not comparing Babar with Sachin, but their situations and responsibilities are very similar, when it comes to carrying an entire batting line up on their shoulders.

Moreover, Babar is fulfilling this responsibility since his early 20s, and is still managing not only to score consistently, he has been improving leaps and bounds since the past few years, and we can see it from improvements regarding his strike rotation, as he used to play a lot of dot balls early in his innings back in 2017 when he used to reach his 50 in 75-80 balls.

His match winning abilities are now being questionned, but the fact remains : he can't win us a match where he scores a 100 at a strike rate of 95, while the rest barely manage to get 150-170 runs combined.

Yes, Rahul is ahead when it comes to power hitting abilities. However, another fact we need to understand is that a 100 from Rahul will be more often than not, complemented by good or great contributions from their legendary top order which includes the GOAT himself, and notable contributions coming from world class players such as Pandya in the death overs.

Today's Indian bowling attack is also vastly superior to the Pakistani bowling unit. On a rare occasion where Rohit, Dhawan and Kohli fail at the same time like the CT Final, and Rahul manages to get a 100 to give India a total of 275, the likes of Bumrah, Bhuvi, Shami, Kuldeep and Chahal will smell a chance to choke and eventually bowl the opposition out, which will mean that Rahul's 100 will automatically become a match winning 100, thanks to bowlers' heroics, as targets lesser than 300-310 are likely to be chased in today's game, unless the chasing team turns out to be Pakistan, where a Babar failure means a potential 150 all-out situation.
 
However, what is difficult to understand for some people is the fact that had Babar been in Rahul's shoes, he would have made the Indian No.4 spot his own by now..

This is debatable. KL Rahul has been given a grand total of 4 chances to bat at no.4 KL Rahul as an opener averages 50. Basically that is called owning the place for any other country. Just that other guys are just too good. Besides when you bat at no.4 for India your requirement varies. Sometimes you will get like 7 or 8 overs to bat. Even guys like smith, williamson can be rendered uselss if they bat with this top 3.
 
How good Tendulkar was able to make Indian team in 90s and 2000s? I dont remember Indian team being world beater considering how high Tendulkar is rated?

I hope Rahul he plays 70 ODI matches soon as clearly it looks like Indian management didnt rate him much as a middle order prospect in ODIs as Kedhar Jhadav, Dinesh Karthik, Vijay Shanker, Ambati Raydu were playing over him and he now atleast got another opportunity when he took gloves. The way you some are rating KL Rahul, the names playing above him in Indian team had to be Bradman’s level which I dont think the names I have mentioned were.

? Sachin was a world beater, 2003 wc , 1998 series that involved teams like Pak , or Aus .

Not sure how you think , Sachin wasn’t a world beater, literally got us the Sharjah cup alone.(qualification and winning).

Even in the VB series Aus 2007-08 , inspite of Sachin being second highest run getter his runs came in all important matches , esp the the 2 finals. 117 and 91
 
Rahul has made a good comeback to limited overs side but his road isn't easier yet. He will have to perform consistently to make a permanent spot.

Babar, on other hand, has sealed his place for the next 10 years for Pakistan and it's to be seen how far can he take his team to during this period. The start has already been done by him.
 
? Sachin was a world beater, 2003 wc , 1998 series that involved teams like Pak , or Aus .

Not sure how you think , Sachin wasn’t a world beater, literally got us the Sharjah cup alone.(qualification and winning).

Even in the VB series Aus 2007-08 , inspite of Sachin being second highest run getter his runs came in all important matches , esp the the 2 finals. 117 and 91

You have perceived it wrong, the post wasnt about Tendulkar’s stature but about having realistic expectations of what a single person can do in a team game. He was a legend no doubt about it but considering the Indian team rankings in 90s and 2000s I dont think he was able to make his team into a world beater as an individual player rarely can. Yes he have won matches for India but Its not like Babar in his limited career havent done anything as hyperion66 was implying. It wasn’t possible for even Tendulkar to make his team into a world beater singlehandedly so expecting it from others and judging their stature based upon their lack of ability to do that is wrong in my opinion.

Its a team game and saying what difference Babar has made to Pak team is the wrong as he clearly has contributed a lot of runs at good average and SR across the formats and that is what an individual can do in a team game.
 
One good innings doesn't make Rahul better than Babar and one failure doesn't mean Rahul is a talentless hack.

However, what is difficult to understand for some people is the fact that had Babar been in Rahul's shoes, he would have made the Indian No.4 spot his own by now.

On the other hand, had Rahul been in Babar's shoes, he would not have been able to carry Pakistan's mediocre batting line up on his shoulders, something Babar is doing since his debut at the age of 21.

Babar has the misfortune to play in a team where he is on a different planet altogether when it comes to batting ability. Rahul plays in a team where 3 batsmen are vastly superior to him, where his early dismissial doesn't trigger any batting collapse, where all he needs to do is play his natural game without worrying about anything else.

No one can consistently win cricket matches on his own all the time. Tendulkar himself had to carry the burden of a rubbish team in the 90s, where he would play a masterclass, only to watch his teammates bottle it straight after his wicket. I am not comparing Babar with Sachin, but their situations and responsibilities are very similar, when it comes to carrying an entire batting line up on their shoulders.

Moreover, Babar is fulfilling this responsibility since his early 20s, and is still managing not only to score consistently, he has been improving leaps and bounds since the past few years, and we can see it from improvements regarding his strike rotation, as he used to play a lot of dot balls early in his innings back in 2017 when he used to reach his 50 in 75-80 balls.

His match winning abilities are now being questionned, but the fact remains : he can't win us a match where he scores a 100 at a strike rate of 95, while the rest barely manage to get 150-170 runs combined.

Yes, Rahul is ahead when it comes to power hitting abilities. However, another fact we need to understand is that a 100 from Rahul will be more often than not, complemented by good or great contributions from their legendary top order which includes the GOAT himself, and notable contributions coming from world class players such as Pandya in the death overs.

Today's Indian bowling attack is also vastly superior to the Pakistani bowling unit. On a rare occasion where Rohit, Dhawan and Kohli fail at the same time like the CT Final, and Rahul manages to get a 100 to give India a total of 275, the likes of Bumrah, Bhuvi, Shami, Kuldeep and Chahal will smell a chance to choke and eventually bowl the opposition out, which will mean that Rahul's 100 will automatically become a match winning 100, thanks to bowlers' heroics, as targets lesser than 300-310 are likely to be chased in today's game, unless the chasing team turns out to be Pakistan, where a Babar failure means a potential 150 all-out situation.

great post. I defintirly agree with this. I underestimated Rahul tbh but I totally agree with the notion that he can't carry a team on his shoulders the way babar can.

Dome players however are only able to overachieve and tend to not perform in better teams as well. It works both ways but that won't be the case with babar. I am sure if babar walked into the Indian team he would solidify the number 4 spot with ease and own it. He wouldn't be under pressure to perform and win consistently.

Some tend to buckle a lot under pressure.
 
The line sums up the situation perfectly for Rahul.

Being more talented than Babar, the only aspect where he needs to do a lot of work is his mental toughness.

He needs to understand that he plays in a team where his early dismissial won't cost his team too much, that will help him play more freely, and at his best.
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The line sums up the situation perfectly for Rahul.

Being more talented than Babar, the only aspect where he needs to do a lot of work is his mental toughness.

He needs to understand that he plays in a team where his early dismissial won't cost his team too much, that will help him play more freely, and at his best.

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I am not sure that is a positive lol He cannot play accumulation role. He could also pile up runs at the same pace of other accumulators around the world, hit a few sixes in the end ane make the strike rate look better. Kohli was quick to pounce on his selfish approach immediately shunted him down the order. If there is one thing Kohli hates is selfish batting at any point. He even mildly took a shot at Dhoni.But Dhoni's nature is take it deep.
 
Rahul is clearly better in terms of ability and if he manages to fix his mental game he will leave Babar in the dust in loi at least. Sadly I don't see him making a test comeback anytime soon.
 
Rahul is clearly better in terms of ability and if he manages to fix his mental game he will leave Babar in the dust in loi at least. Sadly I don't see him making a test comeback anytime soon.

Don't try to degrade another player if you are praising one.
 
Here's how this will go

any other silly personal post and people get banned for a few days - think carefully.
 
Without sheriyas Iyer India would have lost this comfortably even with Rahul brilliant Innings That's what a good team can do and people still blame Babar for not winning matches for Pakistan lol
 
Rahul is clearly better in terms of ability and if he manages to fix his mental game he will leave Babar in the dust in loi at least. Sadly I don't see him making a test comeback anytime soon.

We already know that Rahul is better in terms of natural hitting ability. It is not an unknown fact.

AB de Villiers was also naturally more gifted than Kohli. Was he an overall better batsman than Kohli ? No, because the latter trumped him in terms mental strength, hardwork and dedication.
 
Babar is more talented than kl Rahul.
Babar is also mentally stronger.
Thus he is a level above rahul.

Only in t20s there is a comparison, rahul is better in t20s.
 
Babar is more talented than kl Rahul.
Babar is also mentally stronger.
Thus he is a level above rahul.

Only in t20s there is a comparison, rahul is better in t20s.

More shots doesn't always mean more talent Bab.
ar is also talented with Gift of timing can time the ball pick the length early Can play anywhere he wants He don't have to be flamboyant To be considered talented
.agree with u only T20 is where kl is better just
 
Bobby couldn't have played a knock like this. Rahul is clearly a couple of levels above.
 
Bobby couldn't have played a knock like this. Rahul is clearly a couple of levels above.

lol Bumping, rebumping. Its okay man. Babar has his own strengths which is being consistent. KL Rahul is a flair player with impact him in his armory. Different roles. In T20 he can be absolute game changer which is beyond any doubt as he doesn't waste time settling down like Rohit sharma.
 
We already know that Rahul is better in terms of natural hitting ability. It is not an unknown fact.

AB de Villiers was also naturally more gifted than Kohli. Was he an overall better batsman than Kohli ? No, because the latter trumped him in terms mental strength, hardwork and dedication.

Not sure where I implied that Rahul is an overall better bat. I mostly agree with what you said except they both aren't finished products so no way you can conclude that they will go Kohli and AB way. Rahul could very well become freakishly reliable and gets ahead of Babar stat wise, there are no way to tell for sure.
 
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Not sure where I implied that Rahul is an overall better bat. I mostly agree with what you said except they both aren't finished products so no way you can conclude that they will go Kohli and AB way. Rahul could very well become freakishly reliable and gets ahead of Babar stat wise, there are no way to tell for sure.

Lel Ah Babar is definitely goin kohli way don't worry can't say about Rahul goin ab
 
Rahul could potentially be the most devastating opener in LO cricket India let him play his natural game. But they're trying to turn him into the next Sharma/Dhawan which doesn't suit him.
 
Rahul could potentially be the most devastating opener in LO cricket India let him play his natural game. But they're trying to turn him into the next Sharma/Dhawan which doesn't suit him.

Dhawan is one reason. India has explosive batsmen like P shaw.
 
More shots doesn't always mean more talent Bab.
ar is also talented with Gift of timing can time the ball pick the length early Can play anywhere he wants He don't have to be flamboyant To be considered talented
.agree with u only T20 is where kl is better just
Babar is divine.
He was piling runs against starc, cummins, hzlewood, the last time rahul toured aus he looked like a tailender.
Hoicking sixes in t20s isnt a measure of talent, babar is a level above rahul in terms of talent let alone mental strength where he beats him to pile of dust.

I was also on the rahul hypetrain but he destroyed his red ball technique so at this point theres no comparison.
The moment he finds his mojo back in tests ill board that train once again.
 
Rahul is superior in the shortest format. There is no doubt about that.

But, overall Babar is ahead because he's done much better in Tests and ODIs.
 
Babar is divine.
He was piling runs against starc, cummins, hzlewood, the last time rahul toured aus he looked like a tailender.
Hoicking sixes in t20s isnt a measure of talent, babar is a level above rahul in terms of talent let alone mental strength where he beats him to pile of dust.

I was also on the rahul hypetrain but he destroyed his red ball technique so at this point theres no comparison.
The moment he finds his mojo back in tests ill board that train once again.

A flawed player. But i love watching him bat. That casual flick for six was breathtaking. Very attractive stroke player. He should use the same approach in one dayers so that he can complement Rohit sharma.
 
Babar is divine.
He was piling runs against starc, cummins, hzlewood, the last time rahul toured aus he looked like a tailender.
Hoicking sixes in t20s isnt a measure of talent, babar is a level above rahul in terms of talent let alone mental strength where he beats him to pile of dust.

I was also on the rahul hypetrain but he destroyed his red ball technique so at this point theres no comparison.
The moment he finds his mojo back in tests ill board that train once again.

He has a debut century in Australia, if you made him the alpha dog in a team he would produce what Babar is doing if not more. Guy has talent but needs to get his temperament right for the longest format, he is still not that old.
 
One is an anchor and the other is an enforcer. But one thing is clear, Babar is not fit for T20 cricket. His strike rate just doesn't sit well in modern cricket.
 
He has a debut century in Australia, if you made him the alpha dog in a team he would produce what Babar is doing if not more. Guy has talent but needs to get his temperament right for the longest format, he is still not that old.

Ever since he became an IPL star opener, his game all got screwed up in Tests. He literally played like T20 in Australia. Also his technique needs a bit of adjustment. I don't know if he has made. Only in next test he plays we will find out.
 
Babar is divine.
He was piling runs against starc, cummins, hzlewood, the last time rahul toured aus he looked like a tailender.
Hoicking sixes in t20s isnt a measure of talent, babar is a level above rahul in terms of talent let alone mental strength where he beats him to pile of dust.

I was also on the rahul hypetrain but he destroyed his red ball technique so at this point theres no comparison.
The moment he finds his mojo back in tests ill board that train once again.

This is a flawed way of evaluating a batsman bro. I too can say Rahul made six half tons on some of the toughest pitches of last decade where Kohli looked like a tailender or how Babar was schooled in UAE by SL spinners. My point is you don't discard your support from a player when he is running through a career threatening bad patch and his confidence level is all time low. Not asking you to board the Rahul hypetrain but when you pass judgement about a player based on his rough patch you sound more like a fair weather fan which I am sure you are not.
 
This is a flawed way of evaluating a batsman bro. I too can say Rahul made six half tons on some of the toughest pitches of last decade where Kohli looked like a tailender or how Babar was schooled in UAE by SL spinners. My point is you don't discard your support from a player when he is running through a career threatening bad patch and his confidence level is all time low. Not asking you to board the Rahul hypetrain but when you pass judgement about a player based on his rough patch you sound more like a fair weather fan which I am sure you are not.

Agreed. Comparative analysis like this can be flawed. Based on this premises we can prove Perera is better than Kohli. We have to identify the issues in isolation. He had this habit of getting bowled by playing too much across. Picked some bad habits in T20. Also he looked so insecure every time he went out to bat. Very nervy batsman if i may say so. I think this keeping job is an insurance that he will never be dropped. It has liberated him more. Such a wonder 360 degree stroke player. He should maximize his potential. If there is one thing he can learn from Kohli is putting value on his wicket and going all the way. He has to keep working hard and getting there.
 
rahul looks to be confident. yes, his brain fade moments still exist. But he looks to be doing much more before that happens. The backing of the captain & selectors seem to have done wonders to his confidence. Hope he does better in tests too. Also, don't know if keeping wickets improved his concentration skills.

As for babar, he is easily the best since mohammed younus (who I think was better than inzimam.) Since the batting precedents of India are far higher, rahul has to be way better than babar to first stabilise himself in his opening role and exceed in that even before overtaking babar. A good contest is on.
 
This is a flawed way of evaluating a batsman bro. I too can say Rahul made six half tons on some of the toughest pitches of last decade where Kohli looked like a tailender or how Babar was schooled in UAE by SL spinners. My point is you don't discard your support from a player when he is running through a career threatening bad patch and his confidence level is all time low. Not asking you to board the Rahul hypetrain but when you pass judgement about a player based on his rough patch you sound more like a fair weather fan which I am sure you are not.

I still have confidence on rahul and i will always be a fan but i just think babar is on a different level as of now.But rahul can turn the table thats for sure.Babar being ahead is just reality and i think we need to accept it.
 
I still have confidence on rahul and i will always be a fan but i just think babar is on a different level as of now.But rahul can turn the table thats for sure.Babar being ahead is just reality and i think we need to accept it.

On that wicket Babar would have gone whole innings without being out - But why compare anyne in T20s specially two players in different teams who would almost always play on different wickets and different scenarios. Usually the role for Rahul is to just go blazing and not worry about anything as all the important high pressure runs will be scored by Rohit and Kholi.

T20 is the worst format to compare players from different teams.
 
Rahul is not as consistent as bobby but he's more of a match winner especially in white ball cricket. That is exactly what India needs.
 
In terms of ability and impact Rahul is much ahead while Babar is a different beast altogether when other comes to temperament and consistency.
 
On that wicket Babar would have gone whole innings without being out - But why compare anyne in T20s specially two players in different teams who would almost always play on different wickets and different scenarios. Usually the role for Rahul is to just go blazing and not worry about anything as all the important high pressure runs will be scored by Rohit and Kholi.

T20 is the worst format to compare players from different teams.

Too bad he couldn't do that today against mighty BD, old Malik had to move mountain to win you the match. Hafiz and Malik are still the biggest match winners Pak has while Babar is mostly about aahaa, uhooo cover drives.
 
Too bad he couldn't do that today against mighty BD, old Malik had to move mountain to win you the match. Hafiz and Malik are still the biggest match winners Pak has while Babar is mostly about aahaa, uhooo cover drives.

It was his first duck in T20is.
Put some respect on his name
 
Bobby bhai has to carry the load. Easy to be a match winner when you have greats on your team.

Bobby has it in him to play aggressive. I enjoyed thoroughly when he decided to take on Steyn in tests. He needs to do that more. Tendulkar and Lara for many years played around average batsmen. They were dominant and dangerous.

With Bobby, i am worried he might end up as a Kallis, Sangakkara level batsmen with good record and zero impact.

Rahul is loved because he means business when he is going strong. Pakistanis keep getting offended by Rahul comparisons when in actual most Indians are convinced he is better than Kohli already.
 
babar is better because he is far better in tests. However watch out for middle order Rahul. he is a beast in t20 and odi. battinf at 4 or 5 is the ideal position for Rahul.

In tests as well.

Rahul can turn the tables but babar is babar. He will always be ahead in tests.
 
Bobby has it in him to play aggressive. I enjoyed thoroughly when he decided to take on Steyn in tests. He needs to do that more. Tendulkar and Lara for many years played around average batsmen. They were dominant and dangerous.

With Bobby, i am worried he might end up as a Kallis, Sangakkara level batsmen with good record and zero impact.

Rahul is loved because he means business when he is going strong. Pakistanis keep getting offended by Rahul comparisons when in actual most Indians are convinced he is better than Kohli already.

For Bobby to play aggressive, he needs better batsmen around him. Can't play aggressive when you're shouldering the responsibility of being the team's anchor.
 
I only respect match winners, would prefer a 35 averaging match winner over a 55 averaging accumulator.
both fans go to the other end of the spectrum lol. babar is great.

Rahul is good as well. let's just leave it at that.

babar ahead in tests by far however Rahul can still turn things around.

at the moment I would say Rahul in the middle order has serious potential. Rahul is clearly ahead in t20.

in odi i personally would pick babar but man I can't count Rahul out anymore. I have to give him credit. that innings vs australia was insane. I hope he is persisted with at number 5.
 
both fans go to the other end of the spectrum lol. babar is great.

Rahul is good as well. let's just leave it at that.

babar ahead in tests by far however Rahul can still turn things around.

at the moment I would say Rahul in the middle order has serious potential. Rahul is clearly ahead in t20.

in odi i personally would pick babar but man I can't count Rahul out anymore. I have to give him credit. that innings vs australia was insane. I hope he is persisted with at number 5.

Babar is not a great, not even close, rest I totally agree except I would pick Rahul in ODI, our top order can do all the things Babar do and much much more. I would much rather have a dynamic bat like Rahul at no 4. Rohit, Dhawan, Kohli each of them can play according to situation, build innings , play the anchor role and can shift gears at will.
 
Babar is not a great, not even close, rest I totally agree except I would pick Rahul in ODI, our top order can do all the things Babar do and much much more. I would much rather have a dynamic bat like Rahul at no 4. Rohit, Dhawan, Kohli each of them can play according to situation, build innings , play the anchor role and can shift gears at will.

Dude, we already know who you're gonna pick. Don't waste time writing paragraphs, you're not convincing anybody or vice versa.
 
For Bobby to play aggressive, he needs better batsmen around him. Can't play aggressive when you're shouldering the responsibility of being the team's anchor.

Well Tendulkar used to play aggressively when literally at times our tail started at No.2... A batsman usually plays based on his nature! If Babar cannot attack, then it is his shortcoming and nothing else... In fact Rahul was also of non-attacking kind in the beginning (suited for Test format) but he changed it to suit the demands to prosper in his career (LOI and IPL! Why not - Test Career only cannot give the luxuries for life)

In fact Rahul had to bat aggressively because batsmen around him also bats aggressively... Otherwise he won't selected for his team! If he bats like Babar he won't survive in the team! Babar actually has lesser pressure batting in his team! If Rahul was in Babar's place (playing for Pakistan) he would have so much less pressure and would have achieved much more than Babar! While Babar in Indian Cricket would have had tough time getting selected and would have got sidelined/restricted like Rahane, Pujara, etc...

We criticize Rahul because of his shortcomings/failures playing for Indian team! Not because he is not matching/competing with Babar... Only PP is interested in such comparisons which are meaningless actually! If still they are compared (based on stats/averages, etc), then they should also be compared in terms of strokeplay also as a parameter!
 
All this talk of aggression by few while mentioning Rahul again and again when his SR is 83 in ODIs and 77 in List A (If anybody's wants to take the route of small sample size) and 56 in tests which is lower than Babar in all 3.

Is this thread only about T20s and one knock Rahul played?
 
All this talk of aggression by few while mentioning Rahul again and again when his SR is 83 in ODIs and 77 in List A (If anybody's wants to take the route of small sample size) and 56 in tests which is lower than Babar in all 3.

Is this thread only about T20s and one knock Rahul played?


I think his ODI S/R is more to do with the way India ask him to bat. They seem set on the idea that their top 2 need to bat out the first 20 overs which often hurts them massively. It increases their consistency but they've lowered their own potential as a team. When he's got the license - like in t20s he's a very destructive batsman.

Rahul should be the Gilchrist, Sehwag, Jayasuriya half of an opening partnership. He needs to be the one taking the attack to the opening bowlers, because they've already got two fantastic accumulators in Kohli and Rohit.
 
I think his ODI S/R is more to do with the way India ask him to bat. They seem set on the idea that their top 2 need to bat out the first 20 overs which often hurts them massively. It increases their consistency but they've lowered their own potential as a team. When he's got the license - like in t20s he's a very destructive batsman.

Rahul should be the Gilchrist, Sehwag, Jayasuriya half of an opening partnership. He needs to be the one taking the attack to the opening bowlers, because they've already got two fantastic accumulators in Kohli and Rohit.

They definitely waste his potential. Especially in power play he can be really destructive.
 
T20I stats :
Babar : 37 Inns, 1405 runs, 48.45 avg, 127 SR
Rahul : 34 Inns, 1293 runs, 44.59 avg, 148 SR
 
Pound for pound Babar cannot match Rahul for explosiveness in T20. He needs to improve his SR and if he can have just 2 decent quality batters in top 5 to support him am sure he can up his SR to 135-140 and maintain same avg.
 
Pound for pound Babar cannot match Rahul for explosiveness in T20. He needs to improve his SR and if he can have just 2 decent quality batters in top 5 to support him am sure he can up his SR to 135-140 and maintain same avg.

Technically Babar is solid which makes him very consistent. Also, he avoids pre-emptive strokes. At this point, they are in different worlds.
 
Without sheriyas Iyer India would have lost this comfortably even with Rahul brilliant Innings That's what a good team can do and people still blame Babar for not winning matches for Pakistan lol

Just like Sachin was blamed till date for not being a match winner? I guess we are getting taste of our own medicine.
 
Rahul is a better T20 batsmen than Babar without any doubt now.

Babar is better in ODI and Test cricket which is obviously a real deal. As for Rahul, I do feel that he might still get into Indian test team.
 
For Bobby to play aggressive, he needs better batsmen around him. Can't play aggressive when you're shouldering the responsibility of being the team's anchor.

My dear brother, batsmen who play around him look up to him and feed from his aura. If he was a Yoni who didn't have a power game i would have accepted but in Southern Afrikaan when Bobby tore apart legendary Dake Steyn, we all got to know Bobby can take the attack to the opposition. It is that Bobby which we miss.

Of course playing aggressive doesn't mean you start slogging and throw your wicket cheaply. Tendulka, Lara, Ponting have all demonstrated controlled aggression.

Test cricket is fine. He is doing fine there.

In LOIs he must play freely
 
That is quite conclusive

How when both have complete different roles. Rahul can go swing crazy from ball and not worry about getting out when he has lies of Rohit and Kohli their.

While Babar has to carry his bat through which is more harder and he is one of the main reason we are number 1 and he himself number 1 in T20s.

I like Rahuls batting but he needs to keep going and make runs in ODIs and Tests which I'm sure he can do. But till then their isn't a real comparison as Babar is well ahead. In T20s you can compare but that's the last format you would want to compare players.
 
Rahul is impact player but same can't be said about Babar .

Hmmm. Babar is in number 1 in T20 ranking how could that be without impact and he's one of main reason Pakistan number 1.
Just because Rahul has a free licence to not worry about getting out and has Kohli and Rohit along him he has no pressure.
While Babar has to carry his bat through as Pakistan don't have any other batsmen who are good enough and at a good strike rate too which he has been doing consistently so he has a much harder job and pressure but he's been doing it for years now.

In your logic Afridi was more impact player then whole Indian team then lol
 
Virat Kholi vs Babar Azam is the perfect comparison

No. Both comparisons are inappropriate. Only guy he can be compared with is Shai hope. He is a mini version of Amla at this point. Mini version of Moyo, Trott. Still a long way to where Amla went. Any other comparison is meaningless. if Labu starts doing well in T20/ODI then he will come in to picture. In Tests Labu is already ahead of him. At this point his team totally relies on him. If he runs into a rough patch Pakistan will be in big trouble where as India can win matches even without Virat kohli.
 
KL Rahul should be judged against guys like Aaron Finch, Lewis, Munro at this point. They are they T20 dashers.Atleast two of them are above KL Rahul in T20 ranking. I am sure he will do well in the one dayers as well. But Tests. He has to wait his turn. Yes KL Rahul is such a talent that he didn't measure upto his potential. Until he produces minimum one year of dominating cricket across different formats, we should just have to be patient not bump this thread after every good innings.
 
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