Babar Azam versus Lokesh Rahul

[Titan24]

Experts should light up the thread again as they do after every day when Rahul scores some runs. Yesterday Babar scored a duck so this thread was really active.

 

[Slim]

I always come to this thread to have a good laugh at my indian friends busy in their mental gymnastics.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Today was a slap in the face of all the hating people in the world who claimed Bobby did not have the 4th gear in him.

A SR of 140+ is always world.class and worthy of T20 batsmanship

Well done

Well love from India

Bhaijaan

 

[Mujtaba2900]

Kl Rahul definitely uped his game in recent months but still he just can't play defensive Innings always nicks to keeper or Will give Catching practices to Fielders.
Aggressive Shots comes natural to him that's why he is successful in T20s and Never really dipped in shortest format
But In 50 and test he needs To Adjust his technique Maybe he Can do the same Shuffling like KOHLI does or Root Back foot movement but only future will tell Whats in the box

 

[spiderreddy]

Well played Bobby. Great knock under pressure

 

[Titan24]

Well played Bobby. Great knock under pressure

Nah. Nothing in comparison to the countless knocks Kl Rahul played under pressure from WC heroics to dominating everyone.

 

[spiderreddy]

Babar scored at a SR of 150 today. If keeps working hard, he will one day reach KL's level in T20Is

 

[Titan24]

Babar scored at a SR of 150 today. If keeps working hard, he will one day reach KL's level in T20Is

Forget Babar, for Rahul’s level Don Bradman will have to be reincarnated in T20 version as Rahul is legendary level and even then I think Bradman will be behind by a whisker.

 

[Hyperion66]

Scored runs against the lowest ranked team on a slow low pitch and he is the best again ��

I don't mind scoring against minnows but when Rahul did the same some people reminded me scoring against BD means nothing now the same people are drooling over this innings.

BTW no one doubted Babar's ability to chase 140 against half strength teams in the first place, he literally build a career doing that.

 

[Titan24]

Scored runs against the lowest ranked team on a slow low pitch and he is the best again ��

I don't mind scoring against minnows but when Rahul did the same some people reminded me scoring against BD means nothing now the same people are drooling over this innings.

BTW no one doubted Babar's ability to chase 140 against half strength teams in the first place, he literally build a career doing that.

He was always the best. Check the rankings. Oh yes they are fake, but Test and ODI ones are fine.

 

[Hyperion66]

Oh yes they are fake, but Test and ODI ones are fine.

I agree, 128 SR in t20 is decent but one can't be the best in this format with that kind of a SR, it ridiculous to even think that.

 

[Slim]

Babar scored at a SR of 150 today. If keeps working hard, he will one day reach KL's level in T20Is

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Don Bradman will have to get resurrected to give KLejundRahul some competition even then i doubt Don will be able to match the lejund.

 

[Titan24]

I agree, 128 SR in t20 is decent but one can't be the best in this format with that kind of a SR, it ridiculous to even think that.

There is no doubt Babar has some limitations in the T20 format as of now and he needs to work in them a bit for when the situation will require.

 

[Hyperion66]

Babar scored at a SR of 150 today. If keeps working hard, he will one day reach KL's level in T20Is

Babar can perhaps match his SR someday but not his class, remember the leg side whip yesterday? even Kohli would have been proud playing a shot like that!!

 

[topspin]

It's embarrassing that even in 2020, the usual suspects of the green tinted hype brigade actually think Babar is the best T20I batsman in the world with his laughable SR of 128.

I don't care what he averages, even if he averaged 60, that SR isn't even suffice to make him top 5 T20I batsman let alone number 1.

 

[jnaveen1980]

It's embarrassing that even in 2020, the usual suspects of the green tinted hype brigade actually think Babar is the best T20I batsman in the world with his laughable SR of 128.

I don't care what he averages, even if he averaged 60, that SR isn't even suffice to make him top 5 T20I batsman let alone number 1.

At the end of the day in T20, it comes down to fear factor someone who can change the game in a matter of 2 or 3 overs. If you ask me which players i am most fearful of against my team, that list would read like Maxwell, Pooran, Lewis, Pollard, Finch. It won't be Smith, Root, Kane williamson for sure.

 

[Mujtaba2900]

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Don Bradman will have to get resurrected to give KLejundRahul some competition even then i doubt Don will be able to match the lejund.

I see what u did there lel

 

[BreadPakoda]

Babar scored at a SR of 150 today. If keeps working hard, he will one day reach KL's level in T20Is

That's the thing though. Babar with all his limitations knows how to put in hard yards.

 

[Titan24]

It's embarrassing that even in 2020, the usual suspects of the green tinted hype brigade actually think Babar is the best T20I batsman in the world with his laughable SR of 128.

I don't care what he averages, even if he averaged 60, that SR isn't even suffice to make him top 5 T20I batsman let alone number 1.

ICC tinted glasses at my end. If you dont believe in ICC rankings then I hope you wont be quoting ICC rankings in any format ever again. As he is at top of the ladder and considering the ICC rank teams and players of other formats too, so anybody having any apprehensions shouldnt be quoting test or ODI rankings as well.

Rest of the things are subjective and everybody can have his own opinion.

 

[shah_1]

Babar Azam since 2019 has an average of 44 and strike rate of 137.93. He had a strike of 150 today on a very slow wicket which is quite good.


He has improved a lot in term of SR but Rahul is still much better than him in T20s.

 

[Mesozoic]

Rahul and Babar are pretty much on par with each other in white ball cricket. In T20s, Rahul is slightly better due to his dynamic strokeplay and in ODIs, Babar is better with his consistency and solidity in all conditions.

But Babar clearly is winning this battle with his performances in Test cricket, the premier format and Rahul is nowhere near the starting 11.

 

[topspin]

ICC tinted glasses at my end. If you dont believe in ICC rankings then I hope you wont be quoting ICC rankings in any format ever again. As he is at top of the ladder and considering the ICC rank teams and players of other formats too, so anybody having any apprehensions shouldnt be quoting test or ODI rankings as well.

Rest of the things are subjective and everybody can have his own opinion.

It's the T20I player and team rankings that I don't take seriously especially in respect of Pakistan cricket because they are the only respectable team in the format who actually play their strongest side, whilst other sides use it to experiment and blood new players into the first team.

Unfortunately the T20I rankings don't reflect this.

 

[Ronaldo7]

The people who are gassing up Rahul are the same people who say that they don't even consider T20 cricket a proper format.

I bet if this was the other way around, they'd disregard Babar's T20i performances by saying that who cares about t20, the T20i format is a joke etc.

A bunch of hypocrites who just can't digest the fact that a Pakistani prodigy is doing better than one of their emerging "tAlEnTs"

 

[jnaveen1980]

As long as these players keep their respective fans happy they are doing mighty fine job. Babar doesn't have to please Indian fans. Rahul doesn't have to please Pak fans. If Rahul suddenly started registering series of low scores he will be mercilessly trolled by Indian fans. Babar himself went through such criticism in early part of his career. If he starts having a bad patch he will also face the music from his fans. Rahul has just crossed the threshold of criticism. He has seen highs and lows. At one point KL Rahul scored 9 fifties in 11 innings (7 of them in consecutive innings). It was followed by his 199 vs England. He looked like he had sealed the spot. His bad foot work started getting exposed overseas Tests. Twin series failures with an exception of 37 & 149 at the oval. His poor form again resurfaced in Australia. Dropped. He has another issue which is mental. He is a fantastic player when in flow. But mentally weak.

What changed now . You might ask. Two words. Domestic cricket. There is nothing better going back to domestic cricket and iron your chinks. He went back , worked hard. He has come back. This is going to be his second innings of his career. So far he is looking positive. He doesn't need any comparison. At this point fans are happy with his presence. Enjoy his batting.
Same way Babar is backed by his fans. He is keeping the faith of his fans.

Ishant sharma, Rohit sharma, both went through tough times with fans trolling them. Rohit was called Maggie noodles as he wouldn't last more than 2 minutes. When India toured SL once, he scored less than extras in that 5 match series. Look where he is now.

 

[Ronaldo7]

Rohit was called Maggie noodles as he wouldn't last more than 2 minutes. When India toured SL once, he scored less than extras in that 5 match series. Look where he is now.

That's funny and sad at the same time

 

[Ronaldo7]

Scored runs against the lowest ranked team on a slow low pitch and he is the best again ��

I don't mind scoring against minnows but when Rahul did the same some people reminded me scoring against BD means nothing now the same people are drooling over this innings.

BTW no one doubted Babar's ability to chase 140 against half strength teams in the first place, he literally build a career doing that.

How's him batting on a slow low pitch bad?

Batting on a slow and low pitch is actually harder to bat on than on a road (a pitch rahul has been playing on since his debut).

Big hitters of the ball couldn't play pakistan well on these pitches in the UAE. Munro, Finch, Lynn etc. and you're trying to use the pitch against Babar. SMH

Just say Rahul is a FTB and we'll move on

 

[Titan24]

It's the T20I player and team rankings that I don't take seriously especially in respect of Pakistan cricket because they are the only respectable team in the format who actually play their strongest side, whilst other sides use it to experiment and blood new players into the first team.

Unfortunately the T20I rankings don't reflect this.

Bro you really want me to create a thread to burst the common myth on PP that Pak doesnt try new players in T20s while other try countless? Kindly check the players making debut for Pak in the last 3 four years in T20s vs others.

Pak has tried more players than some teams and close to some others. Its just a myth without much facts.

 

[Duckworth Lewis]

Rahul better than Babar in T20s and vice versa in Tests. Yet to see Babar hunting down a massive chase with power hitting.

 

[Hyperion66]

How's him batting on a slow low pitch bad?

Batting on a slow and low pitch is actually harder to bat on than on a road (a pitch rahul has been playing on since his debut).

Big hitters of the ball couldn't play pakistan well on these pitches in the UAE. Munro, Finch, Lynn etc. and you're trying to use the pitch against Babar. SMH

Just say Rahul is a FTB and we'll move on

Malik outplayed Babar and everyone else in an even slower and lower pitch, is he better than Finch too? Think and try and use logic for a change man. Majority of the pitches today are flat and Babar doesn't have a proper for that, if he did his SR would be higher than 128, you accept that and we'll move on.

 

[Waleed93]

Rahul better than Babar in T20s and vice versa in Tests. Yet to see Babar hunting down a massive chase with power hitting.

He can't chase big scores if he is playing alongside duds like Hafeez, Malik, Sarfaraz, etc...

You need good batsmen to support a world class batsman in a big chase.

 

[Ronaldo7]

Malik outplayed Babar and everyone else in an even slower and lower pitch, is he better than Finch too? Think and try and use logic for a change man. Majority of the pitches today are flat and Babar doesn't have a proper for that, if he did his SR would be higher than 128, you accept that and we'll move on.

How are you comparing Malik with Babar? )

How many t20i fifties has Malik scored in the last 2 years?

 

[Hyperion66]

How are you comparing Malik with Babar? )

How many t20i fifties has Malik scored in the last 2 years?

I gave a reference to the last match where Malik won the game. Malik even at the fag end of his career is giving Babar a run for his money. Averaged 41 at an outstanding sr of 160 in 2018. 24 at 143 in 2019, decent, then again he played only 3 matches last year. It is ridiculous to compare 'Fifties' of an opener with a mid to lower order bat in t20s lol.

 

[Waleed93]

I gave a reference to the last match where Malik won the game. Malik even at the fag end of his career is giving Babar a run for his money. Averaged 41 at an outstanding sr of 160 in 2018. 24 at 143 in 2019, decent, then again he played only 3 matches last year. It is ridiculous to compare 'Fifties' of an opener with a mid to lower order bat in t20s lol.

Malik is not giving any kind of competition to Babar, not today, not even at his best, and if you really believe so, you need to follow Pakistan Cricket more seriously, and without any bias.

Just to let you know, Malik's so-called great 2018, where he averaged 41 at 160 is massively inflated to his twin fifties against....Scotland, where he scored ~50 runs in each match at ~200. His only other notable contribution in T20Is that year was a 43 from 35 balls in the Tri-Series Final against Australia.

The rest of the series were won thanks to Babar and Imad mainly.

 

[Hyperion66]

Good to see Rahul developing his anchoring game too. Good calm innings today, could have been a tricky chase if he got out early.

 

[Hyperion66]

Malik is not giving any kind of competition to Babar, not today, not even at his best, and if you really believe so, you need to follow Pakistan Cricket more seriously, and without any bias.

Just to let you know, Malik's so-called great 2018, where he averaged 41 at 160 is massively inflated to his twin fifties against....Scotland, where he scored ~50 runs in each match at ~200. His only other notable contribution in T20Is that year was a 43 from 35 balls in the Tri-Series Final against Australia.

The rest of the series were won thanks to Babar and Imad mainly.

You do realize that I am against comparing them as well? you don't compare an opener with a middle order bat. All I meant was Malik is a master in crisis situation and in certain type of pitches he would give players half his age a run for their money. Did I said anything wrong? Please look at my original post# 2749 to understand the context. It was that [MENTION=149383]Ronaldo7[/MENTION] poster who misinterpreted my post as he always does and twisted it into some kind of comparison.

 

[Mamoon]

I’m afraid Rahul will leave Babar behind in all formats in the next 5-6 years. He was always more gifted, but now he is finally developing the maturity and temperament that people expected from him.

 

[Ronaldo7]

I’m afraid Rahul will leave Babar behind in all formats in the next 5-6 years. He was always more gifted, but now he is finally developing the maturity and temperament that people expected from him.

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"aLl fOrMaTs"

Have you seen his recent test scores?

And what has he done in ODIs? A hundred against WI big deal lol

 

[jusarrived]

KL Rahul should be judged against guys like Aaron Finch, Lewis, Munro at this point. They are they T20 dashers.Atleast two of them are above KL Rahul in T20 ranking. I am sure he will do well in the one dayers as well. But Tests. He has to wait his turn. Yes KL Rahul is such a talent that he didn't measure upto his potential. Until he produces minimum one year of dominating cricket across different formats, we should just have to be patient not bump this thread after every good innings.

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"aLl fOrMaTs"

Have you seen his recent test scores?

And what has he done in ODIs? A hundred against WI big deal lol

KL though has struggled in last 2-3 series , has more to show in tests than Babar . The Aus home series on rank turners is arguably one of the best performances by an indian . Babar is a nobody in test cricket , while this may change stop acting as though we are comparing KL to Smith,Williamson,virat etc

 

[Mamoon]

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"aLl fOrMaTs"

Have you seen his recent test scores?

And what has he done in ODIs? A hundred against WI big deal lol

Make peace with it. We can hype our batsmen, but there will always be a better Indian batsman. We cannot compete with their batting culture.

Rahul is an accomplished Test player. He was scoring hundreds and 199 against Australia and England at a time when Babar couldn’t buy a run in Tests.

Unfortunately, Rahul lost his composure and discipline and his Test form suffered. However, he appears to be getting back to his best now.

In ODIs, we need to understand that it is very difficult for a top-order player to compete with arguably the greatest top 3 in ODI history.

If Babar was Indian, he would probably have played less than 20 ODIs by now, but if Rahul was Pakistani, he would be our main opener by now with 15+ hundreds.

Rahul filled in admirably for Dhawan in the World Cup and helped India thump Pakistan. Moving forward, India will have to make a call on Dhawan because he is getting old.

Give Rahul a permanent position in the ODI lineup and he will fly. Thankfully it is going to happen now.

 

[Ronaldo7]

KL though has struggled in last 2-3 series , has more to show in tests than Babar . The Aus home series on rank turners is arguably one of the best performances by an indian . Babar is a nobody in test cricket , while this may change stop acting as though we are comparing KL to Smith,Williamson,virat etc

Ranked 7th in Test Cricket. "a nObOdY" )

Let me check Rahul's ranking... 51st lol
Even lower than Sarfaraz Ahmed...
Kusal Perera's 140 was arguably one of the best innings in test cricket. He was the reason SL whitewashed SA. That is a lot more valuable than beating Aus at home who struggle in Asian Conditions to begin with.

Does that mean Kusal Perera is better than any of the top 10?

 

[Ronaldo7]

A player who's been averaging in the early 20s in Test cricket since 2018 is being compared to a player who's been averaging in the 60s since 2018.

Babar may not be one of the most destructive t20 batsman but there are batsmen in this world who are more destructive than Rahul. Malan for example, in 9 innings in t20is has 5 fifties and a hundred. A hundred in NZ against NZ a couple of months ago

I don't see anyone here rating Malan but they're going bonkers over Rahul's 50 off 40.

 

[Ronaldo7]

Make peace with it. We can hype our batsmen, but there will always be a better Indian batsman. We cannot compete with their batting culture.

Rahul is an accomplished Test player. He was scoring hundreds and 199 against Australia and England at a time when Babar couldn’t buy a run in Tests.

Unfortunately, Rahul lost his composure and discipline and his Test form suffered. However, he appears to be getting back to his best now.

In ODIs, we need to understand that it is very difficult for a top-order player to compete with arguably the greatest top 3 in ODI history.

If Babar was Indian, he would probably have played less than 20 ODIs by now, but if Rahul was Pakistani, he would be our main opener by now with 15+ hundreds.

Rahul filled in admirably for Dhawan in the World Cup and helped India thump Pakistan. Moving forward, India will have to make a call on Dhawan because he is getting old.

Give Rahul a permanent position in the ODI lineup and he will fly. Thankfully it is going to happen now.

If this if that.

What if Rahul was born in China?
What if Rahul liked netball instead of Cricket?
What if Rahul was a bowler?

There are a thousand ifs and buts that you come up with.

Wake up. None of them have happened so why are you talking about them?

 

[spiderreddy]

Ranked 7th in Test Cricket. "a nObOdY" )

Let me check Rahul's ranking... 51st lol

Rahul attained a test ranking of 8 when Babar couldn't buy a run in test cricket. He played in 6 countries, has hundreds in 5 of them. Stop behaving as though Babar is some Bradman

 

[Ronaldo7]

Rahul attained a test ranking of 8 when Babar couldn't buy a run in test cricket. He played in 6 countries, has hundreds in 5 of them. Stop behaving as though Babar is some Bradman

What worse:

starting off bad and then improving and being ranked the 7th best test batsmen

or

starting off good and turning into Chris Martin 2.0?

 

[babajee]

What's all the fuss about

Rahul is doing nothing Babar can't do, nor is he surpassing him in consistency. Why are people doing bhangra over run a ball 50s and centuries vs WI?

 

[spiderreddy]

We got a batsman who averages 60 in the last 2 years out of it

what did you get?

KL Rahul? A guy who spends more time on social media than in the nets

We got Mayank who averages 67 and jadeja who averages 57 in the last 2 years

If Mayank was a Pakistani, the Pak fans here would have said he is the second coming of Bradman

 

[Ronaldo7]

We got Mayank who averages 67 and jadeja who averages 57 in the last 2 years

If Mayank was a Pakistani, the Pak fans here would have said he is the second coming of Bradman

You’re seriously abusing that emoji

Anyways, Mayank has a double century against Bangladesh which inflated his average MASSIVELY.

I just remember 2 80s from Jadeja away. One in Aus one in Eng. he bats lower than Babar. How many hundreds has he scored in the last 2 years? Babar scored 2 or 3 batting at 6.

Babar scored a 100 batting at 4 and a 97 too against Aus. He scored some runs in SA batting at 6 too.

 

[MenInG]

Stop posting absolute drivel in this thread.

Just 2 posters destroying a good thread - stop doing that or you will be banned.

 

[Slim]

I’m afraid Rahul will leave Babar behind in all formats in the next 5-6 years. He was always more gifted, but now he is finally developing the maturity and temperament that people expected from him.

This will comeback to bite really hard, Mamoon. Wont be the first time. You couldnt have been more wrong. Congrats on joining the indian posters who have been clowning themselves.

 

[Hyperion66]

Rahul just started to show signs of getting back in form and already left Babar behind in t20s, imagine when he gets back his total form and confidence!! Exciting days ahead.

 

[Hyperion66]

What's all the fuss about

Rahul is doing nothing Babar can't do, nor is he surpassing him in consistency. Why are people doing bhangra over run a ball 50s and centuries vs WI?

Babar can't play at a sr of 200 against a credible opponent. Can't shift gears at will and will be a liability when you come out of your slow low paradise and face real opponents on real pitches. Talking about t20s here, Babar is quite ahead in Odis and marginally ahead in tests.

 

[spiderreddy]

T20I stats


Babar : 38 inn, 1471 runs, 50.72 avg, 128 SR, 13 50s
Rahul : 35 inn, 1350 runs, 46.55 avg, 146 SR, 11 50s, 2 100s

 

[Ronaldo7]

T20I stats


Babar : 38 inn, 1471 runs, 50.72 avg, 128 SR, 13 50s
Rahul : 35 inn, 1350 runs, 46.55 avg, 146 SR, 11 50s, 2 100s

Compare the pitches and then talk.

Just take today's match for example. Rahul scored 50 off like 45 balls because the pitch was difficult and because that was what was required.

In India, even 180 is not a safe score but in the UAE even 150 is enough. So Babar doesn't need to strike at 160-170 as it's just not needed.

What part of this do you not understand?

 

[Ronaldo7]

Rahul just started to show signs of getting back in form and already left Babar behind in t20s, imagine when he gets back his total form and confidence!! Exciting days ahead.

Left him behind with two fifties against nz (a poor t20i) team and one against WI )

you're living in your own bubble.

No one even knows about Rahul. Also, Malan has 5 fifties and a hundred in NINE innings. a hundred against nz in nz a few months ago. I'm backing him to become a better t20 player than Rahul.

 

[topspin]

Make peace with it. We can hype our batsmen, but there will always be a better Indian batsman. We cannot compete with their batting culture.

Rahul is an accomplished Test player. He was scoring hundreds and 199 against Australia and England at a time when Babar couldn’t buy a run in Tests.

Unfortunately, Rahul lost his composure and discipline and his Test form suffered. However, he appears to be getting back to his best now.

In ODIs, we need to understand that it is very difficult for a top-order player to compete with arguably the greatest top 3 in ODI history.

If Babar was Indian, he would probably have played less than 20 ODIs by now, but if Rahul was Pakistani, he would be our main opener by now with 15+ hundreds.

Rahul filled in admirably for Dhawan in the World Cup and helped India thump Pakistan. Moving forward, India will have to make a call on Dhawan because he is getting old.

Give Rahul a permanent position in the ODI lineup and he will fly. Thankfully it is going to happen now.

So is Rohit.

 

[Revolution]

Happy for Rahul to get his form. He is one of the natural stroke player. Treat to happy his cricketing shots. He can put good ball to four with minimum effort.
Still lot for you to prove.

 

[spiderreddy]

Compare the pitches and then talk.

Just take today's match for example. Rahul scored 50 off like 45 balls because the pitch was difficult and because that was what was required.

In India, even 180 is not a safe score but in the UAE even 150 is enough. So Babar doesn't need to strike at 160-170 as it's just not needed.

What part of this do you not understand?

T20I Stats outside subcontinent :
Babar - 592 runs, 49 avg, 131 SR
Rahul - 535 runs, 59 runs, 154 SR

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Clearly, the better impact player in T20's. However, Babar is comfortably ahead as a player overall. Rahul had serious potential but I think both he and tm are responsible for his inability to convert that potential.

 

[Ronaldo7]

T20I Stats outside subcontinent :
Babar - 592 runs, 49 avg, 131 SR
Rahul - 535 runs, 59 runs, 154 SR

His 100 in the USA and his 70 against Ireland has A LOT to do with that.

How many times has Babar played in the USA or against ireland?

 

[babajee]

Babar can't play at a sr of 200 against a credible opponent. Can't shift gears at will and will be a liability when you come out of your slow low paradise and face real opponents on real pitches. Talking about t20s here, Babar is quite ahead in Odis and marginally ahead in tests.

Well Babar scored a 27 ball 50 against NZ in NZ (with Boult) so I don't know what you're talking about. )

 

[liam26]

Babar Azam : Matches 38 , Sixes 21


KL Rahul : Matches 38, Sixes 56

This explains the lack of perception of Babar as a Power Hitter.

If the team is chasing 180-200 runs, Rahul is the Man to go. Babar is good for 130-140 run chases as has been the case against Bangaldesh where Babar can play within his comfort zone.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Babbar Azam is a high quality player. But he lacks the high gear. He may play a few innings here and there at a rapid rate, but overall he will be a steady player.

Rahul on the other hand has different gears and a better all round game than Babbar in white ball cricket.

Babbar will likely avg more than Rahul, but Rahul is likely to have a career like Rohit. And that would explain the difference.

In tests both are not that great. Rahul did well in his career at the start, century in Australia and SL, great innings on a square turner in India. Century in England. But he has tapered off. I believe he should be tried at no.5.

Babbar on the other hand has just breached 40 avg in tests. But he has just one century outside of his country's home grounds, UAE and Pakistan. So he has a lot to prove too.

If their careers go the way they are going, then Babbar will end up being the better batsman.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Babar Azam : Matches 38 , Sixes 21


KL Rahul : Matches 38, Sixes 56

This explains the lack of perception of Babar as a Power Hitter.

If the team is chasing 180-200 runs, Rahul is the Man to go. Babar is good for 130-140 run chases as has been the case against Bangaldesh where Babar can play within his comfort zone.

Rahul almost helped India pull off a 240+ chase against West Indies

 

[liam26]

Rahul almost helped India pull off a 240+ chase against West Indies

Yeah could have been a historic chase if not for the last ball disaster by Dhoni.

 

[Hyperion66]

T20I Stats outside subcontinent :
Babar - 592 runs, 49 avg, 131 SR
Rahul - 535 runs, 59 runs, 154 SR

Damn these are real eye opener.

Clearly proves that Babar benefitted massively by playing in slow and low pitches where 130 sr is enough and suits his batting style. I thought Rahul is better in t20 but he is actually vastly superior. Stats and facts don't lie after all.

 

[Ronaldo7]

Damn these are real eye opener.

Clearly proves that Babar benefitted massively by playing in slow and low pitches where 130 sr is enough and suits his batting style. I thought Rahul is better in t20 but he is actually vastly superior. Stats and facts don't lie after all.

The fact is that Pakistan is the no.1 t20i team and Babar is the no.1 T20i batsman.

I agree. Facts don't lie.

 

[Mesozoic]

The fact is that Pakistan is the no.1 t20i team and Babar is the no.1 T20i batsman.

I agree. Facts don't lie.

Well it's pretty much futile to argue with someone who actually believes that Pakistan is the best T20 team in the world and Babar is the best batsman. A full strength Aus, Ind , Eng and WI are comfortably better than Pak in the shortest format and I'm not even exaggerating. Pakistan are probably at par with SAF and SL even though they lost their last series' to both the teams.

And I can name a dozen batsmen who'd be picked over Babar Azam in T20s by most people.

 

[Ronaldo7]

Well it's pretty much futile to argue with someone who actually believes that Pakistan is the best T20 team in the world and Babar is the best batsman. A full strength Aus, Ind , Eng and WI are comfortably better than Pak in the shortest format and I'm not even exaggerating. Pakistan are probably at par with SAF and SL even though they lost their last series' to both the teams.

And I can name a dozen batsmen who'd be picked over Babar Azam in T20s by most people.

Just using his logic against him.

I literally admitted a few posts above that Babar is not the best t20 batsman and Pakistan is not currently the best T20i team.

But according to Mr. Hyperion66, stats and facts don't lie so...

 

[Hyperion66]

Well Babar scored a 27 ball 50 against NZ in NZ (with Boult) so I don't know what you're talking about. )

You are either lying or really bad at math. Firstly it was a 29 ball 50 not 27 and lastly his sr was 172 not 200.

As I said Babar doesn't have it in him to score 30+ runs at 200+ strike rate, he has never done that unlikely he will do that in the future.

 

[Darkrai]

You are either lying or really bad at math. Firstly it was a 29 ball 50 not 27 and lastly his sr was 172 not 200.

As I said Babar doesn't have it in him to score 30+ runs at 200+ strike rate, he has never done that unlikely he will do that in the future.

In the 2nd T20 against BD, Babar got to 31 in 14 balls, so a SR of 221. Obviously, with such a good start and a low target, it was not necessary to bat at such a high SR.

 

[Third Man]

This will comeback to bite really hard, Mamoon. Wont be the first time. You couldnt have been more wrong. Congrats on joining the indian posters who have been clowning themselves.

Yep, bookmark worthy post that from Mamoon.

 

[Hyperion66]

In the 2nd T20 against BD, Babar got to 31 in 14 balls, so a SR of 221. Obviously, with such a good start and a low target, it was not necessary to bat at such a high SR.

Did he continue with that sr? Sanju Samson the other day started with 600 sr, too bad he couldn't continue either.

On a serious note, the context of this little discussion was solely based on the end sr, so opponent, target, total etc are irrelevant. But I do appreciate you chipping in with this bit of stat, I didn't know that.

 

[Ronaldo7]

Did he continue with that sr? Sanju Samson the other day started with 600 sr, too bad he couldn't continue either.

On a serious note, the context of this little discussion was solely based on the end sr, so opponent, target, total etc are irrelevant. But I do appreciate you chipping in with this bit of stat, I didn't know that.

What an Idiotic thing to say

Did Sanju Sampson have a strike rate of 600 with 30 runs to his name?

Your criteria was a strike rate of 200 with a minimum of 30 runs. If Babar had gotten out on the next ball. He would have met your criteria so what are you on about?

 

[Darkrai]

Did he continue with that sr? Sanju Samson the other day started with 600 sr, too bad he couldn't continue either.

On a serious note, the context of this little discussion was solely based on the end sr, so opponent, target, total etc are irrelevant. But I do appreciate you chipping in with this bit of stat, I didn't know that.

You said he doesn't have it in him to score 30+ runs with a SR of 200+, and I'm showing you that he can do it and has done it. If he had gotten out next ball, his SR still would have been 200+.

 

[Hyperion66]

You said he doesn't have it in him to score 30+ runs with a SR of 200+, and I'm showing you that he can do it and has done it. If he had gotten out next ball, his SR still would have been 200+.

Mate we are talking about innings, not part of it. You can't just pick and choose a portion of an innings to make your point. We can't just manipulate stats as per our convenience.

 

[Darkrai]

Mate we are talking about innings, not part of it. You can't just pick and choose a portion of an innings to make your point. We can't just manipulate stats as per our convenience.

No one is manipulating anything. You change the criteria to suit your narrative. You said he is incapable of scoring 30+ runs at a SR of 200 and I proved you wrong. Whether it's a part of the inning or the whole inning is irrelevant because it wouldn't have mattered if he had gotten out the next ball, his SR would still be 200+. And he still scored 30+ at a SR of 200+. This proves that he is capable of scoring 30+ runs at a SR of 200+.

 

[Hyperion66]

No one is manipulating anything. You change the criteria to suit your narrative. You said he is incapable of scoring 30+ runs at a SR of 200 and I proved you wrong. Whether it's a part of the inning or the whole inning is irrelevant because it wouldn't have mattered if he had gotten out the next ball, his SR would still be 200+. And he still scored 30+ at a SR of 200+. This proves that he is capable of scoring 30+ runs at a SR of 200+.

Babar is incapable of scoring 30+ innings at a 200+ sr, my point still stands, you haven't showed single innings of his where he did that. Sorry to say but your cutting, pasting, picking and choosing bits and pieces from an innings don't count. What you provided is not an innings.

 

[Ronaldo7]

Babar is incapable of scoring 30+ innings at a 200+ sr, my point still stands, you haven't showed single innings of his where he did that. Sorry to say but your cutting, pasting, picking and choosing bits and pieces from an innings don't count. What you provided is not an innings.

You said that Babar can't score 30+ with a strike rate of 200+. But he did.

Just accept that you were wrong

 

[Hyperion66]

Honestly, a batsman who doesn't have single 200+ sr innings shouldn't be no 1 in t20. All major teams have multiple batsman who are better than Babar in this format. No wonder people don't take t20 rankings seriously.

 

[Darkrai]

Babar is incapable of scoring 30+ innings at a 200+ sr, my point still stands, you haven't showed single innings of his where he did that. Sorry to say but your cutting, pasting, picking and choosing bits and pieces from an innings don't count. What you provided is not an innings.

Of course, you can pretend to not understand and ignore the most basic concepts and information that clearly contradicts your point, but that won't change the reality that Babar is clearly capable of scoring 30+ at 200+, given that already has shown and done that. You can change the criteria to innings/number of 6s/length of the boundary but that fact remains that is capable.

It wouldn't have matter if his SR had dropped from 200+ to 120 after he crossed 30 runs, the fact would still remain that he scored 30 runs at a SR of 200+, hence showing that he is capable.