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ISLAMABAD: In a last minute hitch, talks between Pakistan and the International Monetary Fund (IMF) have reached a deadlock due to change in goalpost by the fund and the prime minister’s reservations over heavy taxation, resulting into extension in parleys.

There were at least three main sticking points that led to inconclusive talks till the last day of the IMF visit, said sources in the Ministry of Finance. As of Thursday, the top management of the Ministry of Finance was hopeful to conclude the deal and the IMF team had planned to return on May 11.

But the sources said things went off the track after the IMF insisted on inclusion of some new conditions in the programme, which appeared unreasonable.

Prime Minister Imran Khan also expressed reservations over massive additional taxes burden that the nation will bear from July this year, provided both sides reach an agreement.

“We have made good progress in our discussions with the visiting IMF Mission. Consultations will continue over the weekend,” said Dr Khaqan Hasan Najeeb, the spokesman of the Finance Ministry.

Pakistan has accepted the IMF’s demands of flexible exchange rate regime, withdrawal of subsidies, containing borrowings from the central bank and reinitiating the privatisation programme.

Led by its Washington-based mission chief Ernesto Rigo, the IMF team was originally supposed to stay in Pakistan from April 28 to May 10. Rigo will stay in Pakistan for at least one more day in hope to conclude the deal.

The sources said the IMF has sent a draft of the proposed agreement to Washington for vetting that includes some new conditions. These conditions were no part of negotiations in the first round of talks when the State Bank of Pakistan former governor Tariq Bajwa was part of Pakistani team.

The sources said the IMF reopened the issue of upfront increase in discount rate by at least 2% despite the real interest rates were already positive by 3.75%. The other key area was the exchange rate, as the IMF model showed at least 20% further devaluation of rupee against the US dollar.

The rupee-dollar parity will undergo further change, if Pakistan and the IMF reach a staff level agreement on Saturday (today), the sources said, adding that initially PM Imran had certain reservations but he softened his position after at least two rounds of discussions with his adviser Dr Hafeez Shaikh.

“There is inflation in the country and prices of gas and electricity are going up to retire debt of energy sector,” said Imran Khan while addressing a public gathering on Friday. It appeared the premier was preparing the nation for “difficult times ahead”.

The talks remained inconclusive despite Pakistan conceded to almost everything that the IMF asked for, the sources added. Pakistan and the IMF are engaged to finalise the bailout package for the past eight months. It was the second visit by the IMF staff level team during the past five months that again could not conclude the deal within the due time.

Pakistan’s new programme will be of Egyptian model because the new SBP chief Dr Reza Baqir, a former IMF official, is implementing that programme, said Dr Ashfaque Hasan Khan, a member of government’s Economic Advisory Council. He said this will also be painful for Pakistanis the way it was painful to Egypt.

Dr Khan said there should be no more devaluation and no more hike in interest rates otherwise economy will be totally choked. There is an apprehension that the IMF is also working under the influence of the US government that is creating more problems for Pakistan.

The sources said after the induction of new SBP governor into Pakistan’s economic team, the focus of the talks largely shifted from fiscal to monetary issues.

The IMF wanted that the interest rate should be around 13% to contain the inflationary pressures that are expected to build up due to withdrawal of electricity subsidies and further currency devaluation.

On the fiscal front, the IMF’s main concern was the primary balance instead of the overall budget deficit. This would require massive increase in next year’s tax collection target, which was also the matter of concern for Prime Minister Imran Khan.

But the senior officials of the Finance Ministry are hopeful that the staff level agreement could be reached today (Saturday) once the proposed draft is vetted by the IMF senior management.


Source: https://tribune.com.pk/story/1970358/2-bailout-talks-imf-hit-another-deadlock/
 
Now media will blame IK and PTI for this as well without thinking too much that how we ended up in this trap in first place?

Accepting these 3 conditions will result in massive burden on a common man.

More taxes + flexible exchange rate + withdrawal of subsidies
 
Now media will blame IK and PTI for this as well without thinking too much that how we ended up in this trap in first place?

Accepting these 3 conditions will result in massive burden on a common man.

More taxes + flexible exchange rate + withdrawal of subsidies

This bitter pill for the country was coming for who ever was in power because after 10 years of looting and mismanagement, there was a big price to pay.
 
Do we have an option?

Options are created. You want us to sell our airports and nukes to the IMF if that is what they want? One option is to bring back all the wealth looted by Nawaz and Zardari by any means necessary.
 
The Nooras and Bhutto-Zardaris have emptied out the treasury we have no other option but to accept IMF bailout.
 
Options are created. You want us to sell our airports and nukes to the IMF if that is what they want? One option is to bring back all the wealth looted by Nawaz and Zardari by any means necessary.

I don't think the Nukes are under any threat but if you say to me that PIA, PSM and other loss making businesses Have to be privatised then I don't see a problem. We have to face the fact that we are living beyond our means( and this comb with massive looting by the NS and AZ and their acolytes) means the IMF ain't going away.
 
The Nooras and Bhutto-Zardaris have emptied out the treasury we have no other option but to accept IMF bailout.

We definitely have the option to put both the Bhutto-Zadari and Sharif clans in jail and applying the Saudi model on them. We should be able to get around $100 bn from all these looters.

If Khan Sahab can't do that then you should gracefully resign and retire in peace.
 
The IMF is going to give the loan on its terms now especially since Pakistan is on America's naughty list. I think the time for blame game has gone, people should now brace for impact, however bad that might be. I just hope its not the poor who suffer alone, the pockets of the rich zamindars should also be checked.
 
The IMF is going to give the loan on its terms now especially since Pakistan is on America's naughty list. I think the time for blame game has gone, people should now brace for impact, however bad that might be. I just hope its not the poor who suffer alone, the pockets of the rich zamindars should also be checked.

In no society do the rich suffer. It's the rich and their failure to pay taxes that has led to this low collection of taxes.
 
In no society do the rich suffer. It's the rich and their failure to pay taxes that has led to this low collection of taxes.

Yeah, that's why Pakistan needs to go after these rich people. In America people usually pay somewhere around 1-3% value of their property in taxes every year, I don't know if in Pakistan that gets implemented, if it doesn't then it should because that is where most of the nation's wealth is hidden. If someone can afford to buy land/property for $500k in Pakistan then they can surely spare $1-2k in yearly taxes.
 
Yeah, that's why Pakistan needs to go after these rich people. In America people usually pay somewhere around 1-3% value of their property in taxes every year, I don't know if in Pakistan that gets implemented, if it doesn't then it should because that is where most of the nation's wealth is hidden. If someone can afford to buy land/property for $500k in Pakistan then they can surely spare $1-2k in yearly taxes.

What if these expensive properties are purposely under valued by the owner? This happens a lot in Pakistan too. The documented price is declared less then the actual price.
 
What if these expensive properties are purposely under valued by the owner? This happens a lot in Pakistan too. The documented price is declared less then the actual price.

There are ways to find the actual value of property depending on area and etc, infact I can even do it sitting in the US by checking on the web. These are the things government needs to work on.
 
I swear to God, we'll be having the same discussions 50 years down the road. The economic problems have relatively little to do with endogenous issues and a lot to do with exogenous issues. Our politicians wouldn't tell you that because that would be admitting that they are powerless. No opposition and no government want to concede that point so they throw the allegations of corruption on each other. This not to say they are not corrupt.
 
I swear to God, we'll be having the same discussions 50 years down the road. The economic problems have relatively little to do with endogenous issues and a lot to do with exogenous issues. Our politicians wouldn't tell you that because that would be admitting that they are powerless. No opposition and no government want to concede that point so they throw the allegations of corruption on each other. This not to say they are not corrupt.

Solve the Corruption issue( at least the big looting), structural changes to develop industries that will sell to the world, build the dams to get cheap electric, utilise the CPEC to give us a real chance of development and most importantly make our education fit for purpose in the 21st century.
 
Talk are concluded at staff level. IMF has put out a press release.
Benazir Income Support Program gets a positive mention which has sent lefty out work journos with Zia-derangement syndrome in to nirvana.
It will be a painful painful bailout program, but its unavoidable and long overdue. You should expect the usual suspects to talk about how we have surrendered.

You surrender when you run out of gun-powder. We ran out of borrowed gunpowder. over the last ten years.

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Solve the Corruption issue( at least the big looting), structural changes to develop industries that will sell to the world, build the dams to get cheap electric, utilise the CPEC to give us a real chance of development and most importantly make our education fit for purpose in the 21st century.

Can't develop education because of the structural adjustment IMF is going to impose on us. Can't improve industry because of the way world trade organisation and World Bank works. Can't build dams because they are redundant and because there are better alternatives like small scale water reserves that do not negatively impact the livelihood of the locals. CPEC seems promising but only time will tell.
 
Can't develop education because of the structural adjustment IMF is going to impose on us. Can't improve industry because of the way world trade organisation and World Bank works. Can't build dams because they are redundant and because there are better alternatives like small scale water reserves that do not negatively impact the livelihood of the locals. CPEC seems promising but only time will tell.

Education can be developed without money if the will is there- you can use technology to deliver lessons through the internet- using the teachers to become baby sitters, which they mostly are in PK because of rote learning. Industry changes quickly, what's in vogue today won't be tomorrow, dams like Kalabagh have to built because without them water shortages will become more prevalent and destructive, but also develop cheaper alternatives. CPEC is the unknown quantity.
 
On CPEC, I wouldn't be surprised if people are employed for RS 150 a day without any health or life insurance from their employers in many of those special economic zones.
 
Education can be developed without money if the will is there- you can use technology to deliver lessons through the internet- using the teachers to become baby sitters, which they mostly are in PK because of rote learning. Industry changes quickly, what's in vogue today won't be tomorrow, dams like Kalabagh have to built because without them water shortages will become more prevalent and destructive, but also develop cheaper alternatives. CPEC is the unknown quantity.

Providing technology also require money. Giving teachers a job as baby sitters will also require excessive training which will also cost money. Industry changes quickly because there is no mechanism to stop big businesses from packing away and moving to a new country where there little to no taxes or regulations (we may know this as 'Ease of doing business index). Our industry will not change because a huge chunk of our industry rely on agricultural products. Agricultural industry is heavily subsidized in the West (read Europe and US) which gives them and unfair advantage to undercut other foreign markets with their products, so we don't have that competitive advantage. Moreover, our industry can't grow because according to the world trade organisation, the global economy can only work if every country specialised in producing the goods in which they have a comparative advantage over other countries, aka agriculture. If we try to move up the ladder of global industry, for example if we try to increase our car manufacturing production, our product will get heavily tarrifed before entering any of the major foreign markets. Dams will have harmful impact on marines lives, displace local population from their land and knowing Pakistan the displaced people will not get any reparations from the government.
 
IMF wants increase in tax on salaried class

The International Monetary Fund (IMF) has urged Pakistan to cut the number of tax slabs for the salaried and business class from the existing seven to four – a proposal, if accepted, will hurt the middle and upper middle-income groups.

The IMF took up the issue last week aimed at more than doubling tax collection from business individuals and salaried persons, government sources told The Express Tribune.

The proposal was floated by a technical mission of the IMF that completed its two-week review of Pakistan’s tax policies last week. The mission also recommended an increase in the existing reduced sales tax rates to the standard 18%, except for some essential goods, the sources added.

They said that the IMF had not yet given its recommendations in the shape of a report but the visiting mission did share its findings with the federal government before departing. The IMF is expected to soon share its draft report. Its recommendation is not binding so far. IMF Resident Representative Esther Perez did not respond to a query regarding the recommendation of the technical mission to reduce the number of personal income tax slabs.

There seems to be reluctance on the part of tax authorities to accept the IMF’s recommendation, as the salaried class is already buried under heavy taxation. The IMF has also said in the recent past to increase the tax contribution from agriculture and real estate sectors.

Source : The Express Tribune
 
IMF denies it plans to ask Pakistan to raise taxes on salaried class

The International Monetary Fund (IMF) resident representative in Pakistan on Friday denied media reports that the lending body is planning to ask Pakistan to increase taxes on salaries and business income, and increase the maximum threshold for petroleum levy.

Media reports had been circulating stating that the IMF asked Pakistan to cut the number of tax slabs for the salaried and business class from the existing seven to four, increasing tax incidence on the middle and upper-middle income group. There have also been reports of an increase in the maximum petroleum development levy.

"There are no plans at this time," Esther Perez Ruiz, IMF's resident representative in Pakistan, told Reuters in an email.

The South Asian nation is operating under a caretaker government after an IMF loan programme, approved in July, helped avert a sovereign debt default.

Under the $3 billion standby arrangement (SBA), Pakistan received $1.2 billion from the IMF as the first tranche in July.

The country was facing an acute balance of payment crisis, with its foreign exchange reserves diminished to barely three weeks of controlled imports, along with historically high inflation and an unprecedented currency devaluation.

Under the bailout deal, the IMF also got Pakistan to raise $1.34 billion in new taxation to meet fiscal adjustments. The measures fuelled all time high inflation of 38% year-on-year in May, the highest in Asia, which still is hovering above 30%.



 
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