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"Balanced India holds an edge over Pakistan" : Shahid Afridi

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The high octane Indo-Pak Champions Trophy 2017 clash is now upon us, and like most cricket fans around the world, I can’t wait for Sunday’s tie at Birmingham’s Edgbaston Stadium.

Everyone knows what kind of attention a match between the two teams always gets, especially in an ICC tournament. It is one of those matches in which every move is dissected and each performance from either side is discussed for years to come.

As a passionate Pakistan supporter, it’s natural that I would want my team to finish on the winning side against any team, and especially against India. However, recent history and the depth of the India squad gives it a slight edge heading into the game.

Led by Virat Kohli, the Indians possess a formidable batting line-up that can flay any bowling attack on its day. Kohli’s credentials as a top-order batsman are known to all and he has played some memorable innings in the ODI format. I have vivid memories of his sublime century against us in the 2012 Asia Cup, while he was at his absolute best in the ICC Cricket World Cup 2015 clash at Adelaide, laying the foundation of an Indian win with a masterful hundred.

For me, bowling to Kohli was always a challenge and Pakistani bowlers would have to be on top of their game against him. They must try and attack, especially when he is new at the crease. If Pakistan dismisses Kohli cheaply, it will significantly increase its chances of restricting India to a low score.

While Kohli is the backbone, India possesses considerable firepower around him. Rohit Sharma, Shikhar Dhawan, Ajinkya Rahane, Yuvraj Singh and MS Dhoni are all match-winners and capable of churning out exceptional performances.

I am really pleased to see my old friend Yuvraj return to the international fold with renewed hunger and passion for the game. I wish him the very best and hope to see him play in his usual belligerent way. Yuvi is a treat to watch when in full flow and some of his shots leave you awestruck. I do hope though that he reserves his best for the games following the opener against Pakistan!

Even in the twilight of his glittering career, Dhoni remains a potent force with the bat. His experience and incredible ability of finishing games will hold Kohli in good stead, especially in crunch situations.

Sharma and Dhawan are a formidable opening pair and both have the potential of scoring big hundreds.

To succeed against India, Pakistan’s bowlers would need to keep chipping away with wickets at regular intervals - you can’t afford to sit back since the likes of Yuvi and Dhoni are in the middle-order and the presence of the duo gives India real batting depth.

While batting is India’s traditional strength, it is also fielding a balanced bowling attack that includes some skillful bowlers led by the wily Ravichandran Ashwin. The off-spinner has truly come of age and has become a pivotal part of India’s recent successes across the three formats. Ashwin has great control and bowls an impeccable line and length which troubles the best in the business.

He gets great support from left-armer Ravindra Jadeja, who has been another vital cog in the Indian line-up in recent years. The conditions in England might not suit spinners much but both Ashwin and Jadeja have the quality and accuracy to make run-scoring difficult for batsmen.

The spinners will be complimented by what I feel is a more than capable seam bowling line-up led by Bhuvneshwar Kumar and Mohammad Shami.

Bumrah reminds us of our pacers of yore who had mastered the skill of bowling the perfect yorker, especially during the 90s Bumrah reminds us of our pacers of yore who had mastered the skill of bowling the perfect yorker, especially during the 90s. Shami is the quickest of the pace attack and can make the ball bounce awkwardly while Kumar can make the ball swing. He is also a shrewd operator who makes life tough for batters in the slog overs as we saw in the recently concluded Indian Premier League.

I am hugely impressed by the skillset and temperament of young Jasprit Bumrah. He bowls what I call the ‘Pakistani Yorker’ almost at will. He reminds us of our pacers of yore who had mastered the skill of bowling the perfect yorker, especially during the 90s.

Bumrah has a wise head on his young shoulders and looks unfazed even when the batsmen are plundering runs. I think this year’s IPL has raised his stature considerably and Pakistan’s batsmen as well as all opposing teams need to make concrete plans of countering his threat in the ICC Champions Trophy.

India enters the game against Pakistan on a high and has the ‘favourite’ tag. However the ‘Green-shirts’ can surely spring a surprise with a committed and passionate performance according to present day cricket requirements.

I’m hoping we all get to see another memorable contest that befits the India-Pakistan rivalry. Let the best team take the honours, and more importantly, let it be an entertaining and memorable battle that provides rich entertainment to billions around the world.

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Looking for anything positive on Pakistan from above....
 
Give this man an IPL contract already he is literally begging for it :facepalm:
 
While Indians like Sehwag are churning out garbage on a daily basis, we have Afridi who has written an entire column praising India. Difference of mindsets and highlighting the bigotry on the other side of the border.
 
Indian side is not balanced. We have a dilemma of whether to play Ashwin or Pandya. Play either one of them, the batting or bowling will be off balance.

Pakistanis are simply going by big names forgetting that most of those big names are waaaay over the hill (MSD/UV) or simply terribly out of Form (Rohit/Rahane). Scratchy Form from players like Kohli and Dhawan are not helping the batting either.
 
Poor from afridi unless questioning led him down this route.
Pak are winning inshaAllah. Backing sarf to marshal the troops!!
 
No. This time PAK are better placed because we don't have easy 10 overs to score off and a walking wicket :afridi
 
Not many people should have complaints that India is rated to win this vs. Pakistan. If you want to rate Pakistan, by all means do, but it wont be based on logic.
That doesn't mean Pakistan can't win. But its a win that defies all objective reasons on why Pakistan will lose.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In his <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/IndvPak?src=hash">#IndvPak</a> preview for the ICC, Shahid Afridi mentions Indian players names 31 times & Pakistani players names 0 times <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CT17?src=hash">#CT17</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BigHeart?src=hash">#BigHeart</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/870655837638971392">June 2, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Ratings are useless to be honest in an India Pakistan contest, all depends on who turns up on the day and handles the pressure better.
 
Ratings are useless to be honest in an India Pakistan contest, all depends on who turns up on the day and handles the pressure better.

Never has been that way tbh. It's always the good players who 'turn' up.
 
Some internal dispute going on within the Indian camp. There seems to be tension between Virat and coach Kumble. This could play in to Pak's hands if not sorted out causing an imbalance in the Indian team.
 
Hey Can I get an IPL contract now... coach , player , umpire, support staff anything anything :afridi1
 
Some internal dispute going on within the Indian camp. There seems to be tension between Virat and coach Kumble. This could play in to Pak's hands if not sorted out causing an imbalance in the Indian team.

Saw a video today of Kohli conducting slip catching practice which is the coach's job to do. There is more to this story than what meets the eye. :afridi1
 
[MENTION=141829]geraltofrivia[/MENTION] in 90s we had Inzi two Ws Saqlain Shoaib Miandad Anwar all playing for our team at various points yet they were outperformed by the likes of Prasad n Ajay Jadeja in Indo-Pak in WC games despite being much more talented than them.

It is about handling pressure.
 
India is the only team till now which hasn't shown any weakness in the 4 practice or actual innings.

England: Poor bowling performance against Bangladesh (305 conceded)
Australia: Poor bowling (conceded 291 @ 6.32) and potentially poor batting against NZ. Poor bowling against SL (318 conceded)
Pakistan: Poor bowling against Bang (341 conceded)
NZ: Poor batting against India (189 all out) and poor bowling against SL (356 conceded)

Only India till now has not shown a weakness in either batting or bowling in the 4 innings (2 practice matches) it has played till now. The bowling has been especially spectacular.
 
Biggest disadvantage India has is Afridi is not playing :(

decisive blow
 
[MENTION=141829]geraltofrivia[/MENTION] in 90s we had Inzi two Ws Saqlain Shoaib Miandad Anwar all playing for our team at various points yet they were outperformed by the likes of Prasad n Ajay Jadeja in Indo-Pak in WC games despite being much more talented than them.

It is about handling pressure.

Selective quoting. 96 WC did not have Wasim and Miandad was at it's end. Jadeja, Sidhu, Azhar all averaged 37 in ODI cricket. And ofc there was a man called Sachin. Pakistan had Ijaz, Aamer Sohail and Saleem Malik with averages in the early 30s. As far as bowling goes Waqar was an ATG but the rest of the bowling wasnt' as good. Kumble was a far better ODI bowler than Mushy, similarly Prasad and Ata-ur and Srinath and aaqib so the gap was not as much.

99 we had Ganguly and Dravid too, two ODI ATGs.

So Pakistan was a better team than India in the 90s and thus won more but in those two WC matches the gap wasnt as much. Late 90s the team was anyways far better with the likes of Ganguly/Dravid and the gap wasn't as much. 96-99 the W/L was 15/20 so wasn't pure dominance.

Pakistan's pure dominance period was in the mid to late 80s.

In the 2010s India has a W/L ratio of 2.75 against Pakistan compared to Pakistan's 1.555 over India in the 90s. So as nostalgia tinged Pakistani fans like to call the 90s domination what would you call the 2010s?
 
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India is the only team till now which hasn't shown any weakness in the 4 practice or actual innings.

England: Poor bowling performance against Bangladesh (305 conceded)
Australia: Poor bowling (conceded 291 @ 6.32) and potentially poor batting against NZ. Poor bowling against SL (318 conceded)
Pakistan: Poor bowling against Bang (341 conceded)
NZ: Poor batting against India (189 all out) and poor bowling against SL (356 conceded)

Only India till now has not shown a weakness in either batting or bowling in the 4 innings (2 practice matches) it has played till now. The bowling has been especially spectacular.

This is not a good sign, sometimes you can peak to early in a big tournament and one bad day and it is game over.
 
Pakistan like always lack big hitters we needed sharjeel but he is banned hopefully the youngsters perform and i pray agar ali doesnt play we have to score 300 plus to stand any chance azhar should not be in the Odi side. In modern one day cricket you can have maximum 2 strike rotators and we have like 5 too much big hitting on imad and hopefully fahim comes good.
 
He is spot on. Saying India holds an edge over us is an understatement. India is a far superior team than Pakistan. India and Pakistan should not be mentioned in the same sentence.
 
Don't know why you guys are getting offended by him saying the obvious? India clearly is the strong favorite going into the match.
 
Pakistan are a minnow side and would require an extraordinary individual performance to win vs India side.

India, on other hand, have it far easier.

I ain't planning to watch this game :D will follow it on my phone and that's about it.

Now if India are 10/3 after 5 overs, I'll drop everything and tune in :yk
 
Pakistan are a minnow side and would require an extraordinary individual performance to win vs India side.

India, on other hand, have it far easier.

I ain't planning to watch this game :D will follow it on my phone and that's about it.

Now if India are 10/3 after 5 overs, I'll drop everything and tune in :yk

Then hardik Pandya will make a big ton :D :D
 
Amazing would be Pakistan bowling first in overcast conditions and exposing their FTBs uff...

the good thing about this Pakistani side is its an unknown quantity with alot of new faces that were discovered in the PSL..

Indians getting overconfident before the game and not looking at their videos can be their downfall...

Hasan Ali and Shadab might surprise while Indians will be thinking Amir and Junaid would be their tormentors..
 
Amazing would be Pakistan bowling first in overcast conditions and exposing their FTBs uff...

the good thing about this Pakistani side is its an unknown quantity with alot of new faces that were discovered in the PSL..

Indians getting overconfident before the game and not looking at their videos can be their downfall...

Hasan Ali and Shadab might surprise while Indians will be thinking Amir and Junaid would be their tormentors..

Am sure they have looked at videos etc - no side can afford to be complacent.
 
Pakistan is more balanced than India, if right combination is played

So team management does not know which is the balanced combination? But you feel that imaginary 11 would be more balanced than current indian team? Great.
 
Not many people should have complaints that India is rated to win this vs. Pakistan. If you want to rate Pakistan, by all means do, but it wont be based on logic.
That doesn't mean Pakistan can't win. But its a win that defies all objective reasons on why Pakistan will lose.
Spot on.
 
Not many people should have complaints that India is rated to win this vs. Pakistan. If you want to rate Pakistan, by all means do, but it wont be based on logic.
That doesn't mean Pakistan can't win. But its a win that defies all objective reasons on why Pakistan will lose.

The games are never won on paper.. there would be no point watching the match if all games were a foregone conclusion..
The game is not won until the last ball is bowled
 
The games are never won on paper.. there would be no point watching the match if all games were a foregone conclusion..
The game is not won until the last ball is bowled

oh dear, someone is putting the entire gambling industry, the insurance industry, the subject of statistics and probability by the wayside.

I repeat, Pakistan can win tomorrow: but that is hope not logic. not that there's anything wrong with that.
 
Indian side is not balanced. Middle order batting is weak with Dhoni, Yuvraj, Kedar(no experience) while top order is out of form: Rohit or scratchy: Dhawan. Kohli can be unpredicable. He was out of form in IPL but as big stage comes big players deliver.Kohli is such. Only bowling is balanced with varieties a plenty.
 
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oh dear, someone is putting the entire gambling industry, the insurance industry, the subject of statistics and probability by the wayside.

I repeat, Pakistan can win tomorrow: but that is hope not logic. not that there's anything wrong with that.

Yes
 
No need to pretend that Pakistan are not the underdogs in this game. Only way I can see us winning is by bowling them out for under 200 and then carefully chasing them runs down led by 'steady' Azhar and the shining light that is Babar Azam. Have to appreciate India's management of its players and the players' talent as well. Their bowling attack has improved by leaps and bounds as well and the batting has gone from strength to strength.

Hoping for a great game tomorrow!
 
I am really surprised, no one is talking about Kedar Jadhav. Probably the most explosive batsmen after Rohit Sharma, If he keeps going. I think Pakistan will be troubled the most by the likes of Dhawan, Jadhav and Pandyas :)
 
Agree. India are favourites to win but we gotta good chance as well. 60% Ind and 40% us. We need to bat deep and get off to a good start. If India do we will struggle to get back in to the contest.
 
Afridi is perfectly right.India are favourites but I still hope for a Pakistan win.Nothing wrong in hoping.
 
Amazing would be Pakistan bowling first in overcast conditions and exposing their FTBs uff...

the good thing about this Pakistani side is its an unknown quantity with alot of new faces that were discovered in the PSL..

Indians getting overconfident before the game and not looking at their videos can be their downfall...

Hasan Ali and Shadab might surprise while Indians will be thinking Amir and Junaid would be their tormentors..

I am glad I was one of the few Pakistanis on this forum that was optimistic with this side... ofcourse it didn't happen in this game but it did happen eventually on the 18th... :D

Happy 1 year anniversary coming up
 
The games are never won on paper.. there would be no point watching the match if all games were a foregone conclusion..
The game is not won until the last ball is bowled

Pete bhai, good debate... this tournament was one of the few occassions all logic was defied and shocked everyone [MENTION=107807]Pete Rose[/MENTION]

Just reading the comments on this page makes me realize now what a big achievement it was to win it, let alone beat India in the finals...
 
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