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Bangladesh [309/5] defeat Pakistan [225] by 84 runs in the ACC Emerging Teams Cup

5 down and it's becoming one sided, as expected PAK E is folding against Nayeem. Tanvir still has 4 overs.
 
Another domestic flat track bully fail to an unknown bowler.
 
Pakistan is falling apart. Seniors or juniors whoever can't chase big totals.
 
MMHS said:
5 down and it's becoming one sided, as expected PAK E is folding against Nayeem. Tanvir still has 4 overs.
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Most of them are just domestic bully and its better CS should look some other players. They are worse than our current batch of LOI players.
 
Shafi said:
Another domestic flat track bully fail to an unknown bowler.
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Naeem can finish with over 500 International wicket!!! He is 18 & 12th grade student - already bowls better than Miraz.
 
Even UAE and HK did better than this. Can't believe how much our cricket regressed
 
Shafi said:
Most of them are just domestic bully and its better CS should look some other players. They are worse than our current batch of LOI players.
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This is what they have - can't pick batsmen out of nets. Zeeshan/Rizwan should have carried to a 100 here - that's the way you chase, partnership & long innings from top 4. But, they are chasing against one of the best young spinners of world, and Tanvir will also play for BD.
 
137/6!!!
Someone was asking Pakistan to finish the game within 40 overs!!! Hopefully they will!!!
 
still not end till the end, Pakistan tails can do anything at any situation, they are capable.
 
Looks like our future team will be a true minnow and even Afghan bros will bah these trundlers like no tomorrow. Our future is just scary.
 
MMHS said:
Relax, hardly anyone knows Naeem here.
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No matter if any supporters don't know Nayem!! But Pakistan E team should know!!
He played against WI & took 5 wickets in first innings!!! Now a days every team do homework against opposition!!!
 
omorst7 said:
No matter if any supporters don't know Nayem!! But Pakistan E team should know!!
He played against WI & took 5 wickets in first innings!!! Now a days every team do homework against opposition!!!
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I doubt if PAK National team does bother much about home work!!!! Current CS, took a Test to Day 5 for 20 minutes knowing 80% chances of thunderstorm, because he didn't know the 30 minutes extension rule!!! Some of the DRS calls actually confuses me, if they are clear about LBW rules or not!!!!
 
UAE-HK game abandoned, which means we should advance, probably as Group Champs. A bit unfortunate for UAE as they did beat us by big margin and deserved to advance here.
 
MMHS said:
I doubt if PAK National team does bother much about home work!!!! Current CS, took a Test to Day 5 for 20 minutes knowing 80% chances of thunderstorm, because he didn't know the 30 minutes extension rule!!! Some of the DRS calls actually confuses me, if they are clear about LBW rules or not!!!!
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Very shocking indedd!!
In one post I saw someone telling, pak might take this match lightly as they are qualified already!!! Shouldn't take BD seriously???? As they lost against BD few match lately!!! Isn't it a matter of pride & ego????
 
omorst7 said:
Very shocking indedd!!
In one post I saw someone telling, pak might take this match lightly as they are qualified already!!! Shouldn't take BD seriously???? As they lost against BD few match lately!!! Isn't it a matter of pride & ego????
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It's an Emerging Cup, therefore one should use full squad - unless you go to the same route of one troll here and "take it Pakistan lost to Bangladesh", just like "Bangladesh lost to UAE". It was a right call, but should have used proper bowlers during BD innings - also picked that Shafqat guy, not sure for what purpose.

However, technically PAK wasn't through yet - for the sake of saying, UAE beats HK inside 25 overs and PAK loses to BD by 150+ margin, in a 3 way tie, NRR comes and PAK could have missed out.
 
People rave on here about guys like Zeeshan Malik and Saud Shakeel as if they are the best. I have no doubt that these two would be exactly like their predecessors and that is mental softies. They are coming out of the same system that has produced Azhar Ali, Asad Shafiq, Haris Sohail, Shan Masood etc. In the last 10 years we have not had one mentally tough batsman. So to expect Zeeshan and Saud are different is a folly. You cannot expect a diamond coming out of a candy machine. It will only produce candies.

While our domestic system was never good, you have to see that at least players that were the products of 80's and 90's domestic were the best we've had in the past 30 years, both in terms of skills and mental toughness. Since 2005, we have produced softies of the highest order. It's no wonder that Shoaib Malik is one of our best batsmen in ODIs and T20s even now. He was a product of the 1990s. Younis Khan and Misbah were product of the 1990s. Something went seriously wrong after 2000 in the domestic system.

PCB will have to take a serious look at why Pakistan is not producing mentally tough as well as skillful players. You could see the lack of skill evident in the 1st test against NZ when Azhar Ali - a veteran of almost 70 tests - could not place the ball in the gap for a double or hit a boundary. If PCB embarks on reforming the domestic system right now and in the process does it the way it needs to be done by focusing on quality, Pakistan will start producing good cricketers after 10 years. Until then, Pakistan will remain a fledgling, middling team with modicum of success here and there. The quality has been so bad that we are not even producing quality fast bowlers - a trait that was synonymous with Pakistan. India's fast bowling riches are greater than Pakistan. Never thought you would have lived to see that day.
 
shariqnoor said:
People rave on here about guys like Zeeshan Malik and Saud Shakeel as if they are the best. I have no doubt that these two would be exactly like their predecessors and that is mental softies. They are coming out of the same system that has produced Azhar Ali, Asad Shafiq, Haris Sohail, Shan Masood etc. In the last 10 years we have not had one mentally tough batsman. So to expect Zeeshan and Saud are different is a folly. You cannot expect a diamond coming out of a candy machine. It will only produce candies.

While our domestic system was never good, you have to see that at least players that were the products of 80's and 90's domestic were the best we've had in the past 30 years, both in terms of skills and mental toughness. Since 2005, we have produced softies of the highest order. It's no wonder that Shoaib Malik is one of our best batsmen in ODIs and T20s even now. He was a product of the 1990s. Younis Khan and Misbah were product of the 1990s. Something went seriously wrong after 2000 in the domestic system.

PCB will have to take a serious look at why Pakistan is not producing mentally tough as well as skillful players. You could see the lack of skill evident in the 1st test against NZ when Azhar Ali - a veteran of almost 70 tests - could not place the ball in the gap for a double or hit a boundary. If PCB embarks on reforming the domestic system right now and in the process does it the way it needs to be done by focusing on quality, Pakistan will start producing good cricketers after 10 years. Until then, Pakistan will remain a fledgling, middling team with modicum of success here and there. The quality has been so bad that we are not even producing quality fast bowlers - a trait that was synonymous with Pakistan. India's fast bowling riches are greater than Pakistan. Never thought you would have lived to see that day.
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I have explanations for you last 2 para, but not now.

Coming to the mental toughness, not considering domestics (that's given, can't change overnight), it's elementary that these players should be brought in National team at younger age so that they can develop on job at highest level from early age. One of the main reason for this timid nature is that they play too many soft games and the gap (with Internationals) is too wide to bridge. If there was no "Imam issue", I am sure Ul Haq would have picked bid Ali for SAF, a guy now 31+, born like at 5-6 years of age - how this guy is going to be mentally tough against Rabad, Styen when he has been playing Aizaz Cheemas for his life time?

There are many issues to fix, but if I were to pick one, I would have slashed the average age of the squad by at least 5 years, if not 7 - couple of years of downward lope in ranking/result (can't go much lower from Asia Cup or losing to Kiwis in UAE), things can improve, at least we can hope. Taking MoHa, Malik, Sarfraz to WC isn't going to improve much.
 
Shafi said:
Looks like our future team will be a true minnow and even Afghan bros will bah these trundlers like no tomorrow. Our future is just scary.
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Pakistan cricket is going West Indian way
 
Mainul said:
Pakistan cricket is going West Indian way
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It doesn't take long to fix few things if the mass interest there. WIN is suffering because the interest has shifted from the youth of a 1.2 million population base. PAK is suffering with a 23 crore cricket mad population base because of different reason, which can be fixed. Though, must say Inzamam Ul Haq type of appointment doesn't encourage me much.
 
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Mainul said:
Pakistan cricket is going West Indian way
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you do realize 4 in form player was rested for this match as pakistan have already qualified to next stage and they were giving a opportunity to test the bench
 
MMHS said:
I have explanations for you last 2 para, but not now.

Coming to the mental toughness, not considering domestics (that's given, can't change overnight), it's elementary that these players should be brought in National team at younger age so that they can develop on job at highest level from early age. One of the main reason for this timid nature is that they play too many soft games and the gap (with Internationals) is too wide to bridge. If there was no "Imam issue", I am sure Ul Haq would have picked bid Ali for SAF, a guy now 31+, born like at 5-6 years of age - how this guy is going to be mentally tough against Rabad, Styen when he has been playing Aizaz Cheemas for his life time?

There are many issues to fix, but if I were to pick one, I would have slashed the average age of the squad by at least 5 years, if not 7 - couple of years of downward lope in ranking/result (can't go much lower from Asia Cup or losing to Kiwis in UAE), things can improve, at least we can hope. Taking MoHa, Malik, Sarfraz to WC isn't going to improve much.
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In that case, Imam being in the squad is a good thing as he can only get better by playing the likes of Rabada's, Boult's and Steyn's. People might not agree but I believe Imam is still better mentally than any of our present lot. Imam's problem is technical. His technical game isn't top notch and that's why he is failing at the Test level. He needs a good coach. I don't think Grant Flower has done anything great in his tenure. His tenure should be judged on the performances of the batters overseas and overseas everyone's crumbled.

For the WC, MoHa has his uses even now. He hasn't been used correctly. At this stage of his career, MoHa needs to play the finisher role at number 6 where he gets to play the old ball that is literally not swinging or seaming and also has the license to go after the bowling. When he's opening, he doesn't have the game to weather the new ball and he gets double minded as to whether to defend or play shots to give the team a good start. Number 6 is perfect for him. Malik is our best batsman. He needs to be at the WC. Period. Sarfraz needs to be dropped. Doesn't provide anything useful to the squad. Doesn't score runs and his captaincy is pathetic. Malik as captain would be a better bet for the WC.
 
shariqnoor said:
In that case, Imam being in the squad is a good thing as he can only get better by playing the likes of Rabada's, Boult's and Steyn's. People might not agree but I believe Imam is still better mentally than any of our present lot. Imam's problem is technical. His technical game isn't top notch and that's why he is failing at the Test level. He needs a good coach. I don't think Grant Flower has done anything great in his tenure. His tenure should be judged on the performances of the batters overseas and overseas everyone's crumbled.

For the WC, MoHa has his uses even now. He hasn't been used correctly. At this stage of his career, MoHa needs to play the finisher role at number 6 where he gets to play the old ball that is literally not swinging or seaming and also has the license to go after the bowling. When he's opening, he doesn't have the game to weather the new ball and he gets double minded as to whether to defend or play shots to give the team a good start. Number 6 is perfect for him. Malik is our best batsman. He needs to be at the WC. Period. Sarfraz needs to be dropped. Doesn't provide anything useful to the squad. Doesn't score runs and his captaincy is pathetic. Malik as captain would be a better bet for the WC.
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There is a natural aging - what Hafeez or Malik did 2, 5 or 7 years back, hardly going to matter in a WC, in UK, when they are into their late 30s, early 40s. Malik may be as Captain (MoHa as well, in same role) not sure, but Hafeez won't do much even from 5-6 any more.
 
Group B

December 9, 2018

Match 1

*** National Stadium, Karachi

Bangladesh Emerging Team: 309-5 in 50 overs (Mosaddek Hossain 85*, 3x4s, 4x6s, 74 balls, Zakir Hassan 69, 8x4s, 69 balls, Yasir Ali 56, 5x4s, 2x6s, 46 balls, Khushdil Shah 3-48, Muhammad Musa 2-55)

Pakistan Emerging Team: 225 all out in 46.5 overs (Khushdil Shah 61, 2x4s, 4x6s, 58 balls, Zeeshan Malik 47, 4x4s, 1x6, 67 balls, Muhammad Rizwan 46, 3x4s, 1x6, 51 balls, Nayeem Hasan 3-36, Mosaddek Hossain 2-32, Shafiul Islam 2-41)

Result: Bangladesh Emerging Team won by 84 Runs

Player of the Match: Mosaddek Hossain, Bangladesh Emerging Team

Toss: Bangladesh Emerging Team

Umpires: Muhammad Sajid and Izzat Safi

Referee: Aziz Ur Rehman
 
As a cricket nation we r on a whole new level right now and going from strength to strength. Not surprising to see that Pak got overwhelmed by us yet again.
 
Good win by the boys.

Seems like we are producing more talented players off late compared to neighbours Pakistan and Lanka. These are good signs for our cricket.
 
Relax guys Pakistan played it as a practice match, too many overs bowled by non-regular bowlers. They were simply testing their bench strength.

For next matches,

Zeeshan Malik
Sahibzada Farhan
Hussain Talat
Saad Ali
Saud Shakeel
Mohammad Rizwan
Khushdil Shah
Ashiq Ali
Mohammad Ilyas
Mohammad Musa
Sameen Gul
 
Wow, it seems Bangladesh will soon be worthy of being invited by Pakistan. Good signs.
 
Same BD team had lost to UAE

Pak have become BD's bunnies :cobra losing to them at every level
 
Executioner said:
Soon being worthy?

Didn't we just beat Pakistan with our B team in their home turf?
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That was not our home and bangladesh were not with their B team.If one player or two missing it B team then i think it was.Bangladesh is better than pakistan in tests and ODI in Asia with out a shadow of doubt.Good luck.
 
MMHS said:
It's an Emerging Cup, therefore one should use full squad - unless you go to the same route of one troll here and "take it Pakistan lost to Bangladesh", just like "Bangladesh lost to UAE". It was a right call, but should have used proper bowlers during BD innings - also picked that Shafqat guy, not sure for what purpose.

However, technically PAK wasn't through yet - for the sake of saying, UAE beats HK inside 25 overs and PAK loses to BD by 150+ margin, in a 3 way tie, NRR comes and PAK could have missed out.
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These Basit Ali and co etc do not know what you talk.
 
DRsohail said:
That was not our home and bangladesh were not with their B team.If one player or two missing it B team then i think it was.Bangladesh is better than pakistan in tests and ODI in Asia with out a shadow of doubt.Good luck.
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Shakib and Tamim play vital role but yeah I agree.

Bangladesh is not better than Pakistan in test anywhere.
 
MMHS said:
It doesn't take long to fix few things if the mass interest there. WIN is suffering because the interest has shifted from the youth of a 1.2 million population base. PAK is suffering with a 23 crore cricket mad population base because of different reason, which can be fixed. Though, must say Inzamam Ul Haq type of appointment doesn't encourage me much.
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Yes,selection of team is a big problem always for Pakistan. Present CS is biased, don't pick up teams on merit ,picks wrong people for wrong format. Another thing which you mentioned in another post that young domestic performers aren't picked,when they are picked finally they are past their prime.
 
saeed5646 said:
you do realize 4 in form player was rested for this match as pakistan have already qualified to next stage and they were giving a opportunity to test the bench
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Their bowling attack was weaker without Gul,Asgar but I don't think that would have changed the result. Saud,Rizwan,Saad Ali,Talat played but couldn't spark. The defeat margin is huge. In this kind of emerging cup why they will rest main players ? It was a ridiculous decision. It may hurt Pakistan next round, playing against tough teams like BD would have been a good match practice for those 4.
 
I only thought us Pakistanis brag about how good we are/were, when we've been mediocre, average, passable for the past 15 years?

...and now the Bangladeshi fans...oh come on!..

Your journey's only just started, its a long way to go...you lot can't even match the Sri Lankans yet.

Show some consistency over the next few years, beat some good teams and you can look back with fondness and say to your grand kids that the likes of Sakib, Mushfiq, Tamim, Murtaza, Mahmudullah were the poineers of Bangladesh Cricket ...the era when we first arrived at the international scene!

Our period like yours was way back in the 1950s...so don't count your chickens yet, History isnt built in a day!

As Iqbal said, "Hazaroon saal nargas apni benoori pe roti hai...
Bari mushkil se hota hai chaman mei deeda warr paida"...
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Journalist "Rizwan, Rizwan, Rizwan, Rizwan. Am I mad just standing here asking questions? Look at me I've said it three times" <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/EmergingAsiaCup2018?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#EmergingAsiaCup2018</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://t.co/9aFDub4p3u">pic.twitter.com/9aFDub4p3u</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1071835028936626178?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 9, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Journalists fighting with each other... surely there can be some methodical manner to conduct these pressers. ::J
 
Abdullah719 said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Journalist "Rizwan, Rizwan, Rizwan, Rizwan. Am I mad just standing here asking questions? Look at me I've said it three times" <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/EmergingAsiaCup2018?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#EmergingAsiaCup2018</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://t.co/9aFDub4p3u">pic.twitter.com/9aFDub4p3u</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1071835028936626178?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 9, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Journalists fighting with each other... surely there can be some methodical manner to conduct these pressers. ::J
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Very rude from the journalist. Rizwan should have put him in place right there:afridi. Players are afraid of media related people it seems.
 
Greenstorm said:
Very rude from the journalist. Rizwan should have put him in place right there:afridi. Players are afraid of media related people it seems.
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He was yelling at a fellow journalist for not letting him ask questions, this is why it's a must to have a manager overseeing pressers or media talks.
 
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