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Bangladesh and Pakistan's contrasting schedule against the big boys since 2014...

shabir kham

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1-Pakistan vs Australia in UAE 2014 2 Tests
2-Pakistan vs England in UAE 2015 3 Tests
3-Pakistan tour to Uk 2016 4 Tests
4-Pakistan tour to Australia 2016 3 Tests
5-Pakistan tour to Uk 2018 2 Tests
6-Pakistan vs Australia in UAE 2018 3 Tests
7-Pakistan tour to Australia 2019 3 Tests
8-Pakistan tour to England 2020 4 Tests
9-Pakistan vs Uk in UAE 2020 3 Tests

Whereas look at bangla
1-England tour to Bangladesh 🇧🇩 2016 2 Tests
2-Australia tour to Bangladesh 2017 2 Tests
3-England tour to Bangladesh 2019 2 Tests
4-Bangla tour to Aus 2020 2 Tests

So why this much differnce between schedules?
 
Pakistan was a premier Test Team, and still is.

BD are still minnows in Test Cricket. Their result against England was good, but the same English team would have been thrashed by both Pakistan and India in the SC.
 
Bangladesh actually played more series against top teams between 06-10. Ever since 2011 WC we have seldom played top teams.

We last had a proper series against Australia like 8 years ago.

I understand we are still ordinary in tests but I think given our improvement teams should play us more.

Our 2017 was pretty good in terms of series. We have 3 more series coming up this year, 1 one of which is a complete series
 
Bangladesh actually played more series against top teams between 06-10. Ever since 2011 WC we have seldom played top teams.

We last had a proper series against Australia like 8 years ago.

I understand we are still ordinary in tests but I think given our improvement teams should play us more.

Our 2017 was pretty good in terms of series. We have 3 more series coming up this year, 1 one of which is a complete series

I think playing in Bangladesh is harming BD cricket. BD will only improve in tests if they have more away tours. They did well in Sri Lanka - that is the kind of performance they need to repeat. BD is definitely showing improvement but the improvement has been painstakingly slow.
 
Not surprised, Bangladesh don't know how to play cricket
 
I guess to be honest thats why we need a test championship so that teams (only top 8 sides) will be able to play equal number of matches.

This is due to the commercial aspects of the series in which Pakistan plays.
 
I think playing in Bangladesh is harming BD cricket. BD will only improve in tests if they have more away tours. They did well in Sri Lanka - that is the kind of performance they need to repeat. BD is definitely showing improvement but the improvement has been painstakingly slow.

They will be destroyed in Tests away from home which could put their Test status up for discussion
 
Not surprised, Bangladesh don't know how to play cricket
Tell that to Lanka and England who couldn't beat us in their previous test series.
They will be destroyed in Tests away from home which could put their Test status up for discussion

We can only get better playing abroad. Losing a few matches here and there doesn't put a question mark on test status. It only applies to shallow cricket fans and armchair experts
 
Tell that to Lanka and England who couldn't beat us in their previous test series.


We can only get better playing abroad. Losing a few matches here and there doesn't put a question mark on test status. It only applies to shallow cricket fans and armchair experts

If you lose every single Test match away from home with no competition, people lose interest, boards lose money, and big teams stop inviting you. Maybe Bangladesh can tour Zimbabwe or the new Test nations such as Ireland and Afghanistan more often to make it more interesting.
 
Not surprised, Bangladesh don't know how to play cricket

If you lose every single Test match away from home with no competition, people lose interest, boards lose money, and big teams stop inviting you. Maybe Bangladesh can tour Zimbabwe or the new Test nations such as Ireland and Afghanistan more often to make it more interesting.

We won our last away test which was against Lanka.

I don't think losing away tests will matter much because we are maturing into a decent side.
 
1-Pakistan vs Australia in UAE 2014 2 Tests
2-Pakistan vs England in UAE 2015 3 Tests
3-Pakistan tour to Uk 2016 4 Tests
4-Pakistan tour to Australia 2016 3 Tests
5-Pakistan tour to Uk 2018 2 Tests
6-Pakistan vs Australia in UAE 2018 3 Tests
7-Pakistan tour to Australia 2019 3 Tests
8-Pakistan tour to England 2020 4 Tests
9-Pakistan vs Uk in UAE 2020 3 Tests

Whereas look at bangla
1-England tour to Bangladesh ���� 2016 2 Tests
2-Australia tour to Bangladesh 2017 2 Tests
3-England tour to Bangladesh 2019 2 Tests
4-Bangla tour to Aus 2020 2 Tests

So why this much differnce between schedules?

We were the #1 team in the world a year ago, and are one of the greatest test teams in history. Our record is so far superior to any asian team, and is almost identical to South Africa in 3rd of all time.

Can you please explain to me why you're comparing the 2 teams? Surely a Zimbabwe/Bangladesh comparison makes more sense?
 
Bangladesh's thinking they are ATG side after a few fluke wins = minnow mentality, they can't play cricket; PERIOD.
 
Pakistan has had test status since 1952, while Bangladesh didn't get test status until 2000.
 
I feel that it will enhance cricket if BD improve and become a competitive nation. Currently, they are competitive in ODIS at home. Thy have a long way to go. Good luck to them. They have the potential to be a good cricketing nation and I hope they do it. It would help to improve Pakistan if we get to play against another competitive cricket country.

However, saying that, I am sure that every BD fan will understand that comparing BD and Pakistan is like comparing the Brazil football team to a pub team. There is a huge difference in status, quality and tradition. If BD folded as a cricket nation, it would be a similar loss as Luxembourg would be to world football. If Pakistan folded as a cricket nation, it would be akin to losing Brazil to world football. Pakistan are NOT the best team in the world and is not even in the top 3. But they are the most exciting team in World cricket and have been traditionally along with the old West Indies.

Saying this - i reitterate - I would love BD to improve and HOPE they improve. Insha-Allah they will. Then we can look forward to proper competition with BD and forget the Indians.
 
I feel that it will enhance cricket if BD improve and become a competitive nation. Currently, they are competitive in ODIS at home. Thy have a long way to go. Good luck to them. They have the potential to be a good cricketing nation and I hope they do it. It would help to improve Pakistan if we get to play against another competitive cricket country.

However, saying that, I am sure that every BD fan will understand that comparing BD and Pakistan is like comparing the Brazil football team to a pub team. There is a huge difference in status, quality and tradition. If BD folded as a cricket nation, it would be a similar loss as Luxembourg would be to world football. If Pakistan folded as a cricket nation, it would be akin to losing Brazil to world football. Pakistan are NOT the best team in the world and is not even in the top 3. But they are the most exciting team in World cricket and have been traditionally along with the old West Indies.

Saying this - i reitterate - I would love BD to improve and HOPE they improve. Insha-Allah they will. Then we can look forward to proper competition with BD and forget the Indians.

Brazil example is a bit over stress thoug & pub team ...

I wonder if this PAK team is Brazil in football then where you are going to put the AUS side, for which their former Captain successfully got under lots of Pakistani skin.

Cricket is played seriously by 10-12 countries, seriously as top 2 sports by half of them - bringing football example is a bit shallow here.
 
We were the #1 team in the world a year ago, and are one of the greatest test teams in history. Our record is so far superior to any asian team, and is almost identical to South Africa in 3rd of all time.

Can you please explain to me why you're comparing the 2 teams? Surely a Zimbabwe/Bangladesh comparison makes more sense?

i second that i also want to know answer of this question
 
Brazil example is a bit over stress thoug & pub team ...

I wonder if this PAK team is Brazil in football then where you are going to put the AUS side, for which their former Captain successfully got under lots of Pakistani skin.

Cricket is played seriously by 10-12 countries, seriously as top 2 sports by half of them - bringing football example is a bit shallow here.

Brother - don't get sensitive :-)

I clearly stated that Pakistan is not in the top 3.If you want to refer to past records and compare Pakistan to Aus, then Pakistan is clearly not in the Aus league. However, if you use this as a comparison, then Bangladesh have a horrific record in every form of cricket.

The point I am making and what other posters have made - is that Bangladesh should be compared to Zimbabwe and Afghanistan and Ireland. This would be a much fairer comparison. It would be extremely unfair to compare BD to any of the top nations.

And in terms of world status, I used football because it was the best way I ould explain the status of these 2 in cricket. One is Brazil and one is Luxembourg. OK - one is Argentina and the other is Bolivia. Is that better?

if you want me to use a cricketing analogy. Then one is Australia and the other is Ireland. Comparing Ireland to Australia is same as comparing BD to Pakistan.


Please do not take this the wrong way. Reply with a suitable analogy rather then having a go at me. I'm not a cocky fellow. I just say what I think.
 
Brother - don't get sensitive :-)

I clearly stated that Pakistan is not in the top 3.If you want to refer to past records and compare Pakistan to Aus, then Pakistan is clearly not in the Aus league. However, if you use this as a comparison, then Bangladesh have a horrific record in every form of cricket.

The point I am making and what other posters have made - is that Bangladesh should be compared to Zimbabwe and Afghanistan and Ireland. This would be a much fairer comparison. It would be extremely unfair to compare BD to any of the top nations.

And in terms of world status, I used football because it was the best way I ould explain the status of these 2 in cricket. One is Brazil and one is Luxembourg. OK - one is Argentina and the other is Bolivia. Is that better?

if you want me to use a cricketing analogy. Then one is Australia and the other is Ireland. Comparing Ireland to Australia is same as comparing BD to Pakistan.


Please do not take this the wrong way. Reply with a suitable analogy rather then having a go at me. I'm not a cocky fellow. I just say what I think.

I am not, and I responded only because I do respect your good spirit. Otherwise there are many posts which I just don't bother.

Cricket is totally a different team game than any other sports. Despite being a 11 player game, this is totally individual dominant game & it has the highest factors of venue, condition, weather, pitch (playing field) etc.

In cricket, you just can't put comparison like that. What now, 15 years back BD would have won a Test had Latif not cheated with a blank drop - this is because of the unpredictabile nature of the game. On record you are putting Brazil vs Pub team in a sports where one is ranked 5th & other 9th; but I understand - it's quite a big gap when the universe is 10 (effectively 9).

Test cricket is the toughest place to master, because apart from playing skills, lots more other factors are involved here. Test cricket is almost like classical music that you can't master just by coaching or practicing - it takes lots of cultural change. Those who are impressed with Afghans from Mickey Mouse game, doesn't have any idea what it'll take to hem to reach next level. Even in this bankrupt days, WI actually is wining Test against even PAK, ENG for a reason.

As I said somewhere earlier - it has several phases of Test development - you start at home to avoid innings defeat, then to take the match to day 5, then to draw, then to take 20 wickets - finally win some Test & then series. After that cycle st home, try to do that away - in history of 142 years of Test cricket, only one team ever had 12 rubbers (home & away) at their disposal at a time, which should indicate how tough it is.

At present, we are in lever 4/5 - that's we'll compete every Test at home, win few as well while stressing hosts in away Test in more matches. One reason for that is we hardly get any chance to play away & that AUS/NZ- PAK series (both) should be indicative enough - how tough it's for teams to perform in Test, if you are to visit a country once in a decade & play Test matches without much preparation.

One mistake that posters make here is that they don't study the rich history of Test cricket, which has 1.5 century of records. Apart from initial 2 teams (AUS/ENG), almost every team has gone through such start for 10, 20, even 40 years. PAK in that regard was better, because at start it had almost a readymade team from British India - after that 50s generation & County cricket shaping PAK cricket in 70s, you can check PAK of 60s - that too without any cricket against India & WI.

Another factor no one considers (actually don't have the depth to see that), is we started playing Test cricket when the game is standardized- 5 days, 450 overs, make time, technology to overcome natural hazards like bad light, wet out field, 3rd umpire, neutral umpire ..... hence it's almost impossible for us to bail out a draw through back door, which has resulted such W/L ratio. Besides, now every team plays their available vest XI in Test, against whoever - check the ENG/AUS team (a) that played against SAF, WI, NZ, IND, PAK, SRL in their early days - that'll give you another clue.

If you have any real interest to know the game, study the score cards of initial matches for every team barring oldest two - you should know that the W/L record isn't straight for them. Just think, first 15 years of BD Test cricket a 3 day affair, you can imagine the effect, I hope.

Anyway, this thread is made as a troll by someone who isn't smart enough - what he is asking, forget Indian, if any Srilaakan asks that replacing BD, it won't be even respectable for PAK. I won't have posted in such posts, but couldn't resist responding your one, since I do appriciate your good wish.

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I am not, and I responded only because I do respect your good spirit. Otherwise there are many posts which I just don't bother.

Cricket is totally a different team game than any other sports. Despite being a 11 player game, this is totally individual dominant game & it has the highest factors of venue, condition, weather, pitch (playing field) etc.

In cricket, you just can't put comparison like that. What now, 15 years back BD would have won a Test had Latif not cheated with a blank drop - this is because of the unpredictabile nature of the game. On record you are putting Brazil vs Pub team in a sports where one is ranked 5th & other 9th; but I understand - it's quite a big gap when the universe is 10 (effectively 9).

Test cricket is the toughest place to master, because apart from playing skills, lots more other factors are involved here. Test cricket is almost like classical music that you can't master just by coaching or practicing - it takes lots of cultural change. Those who are impressed with Afghans from Mickey Mouse game, doesn't have any idea what it'll take to hem to reach next level. Even in this bankrupt days, WI actually is wining Test against even PAK, ENG for a reason.

As I said somewhere earlier - it has several phases of Test development - you start at home to avoid innings defeat, then to take the match to day 5, then to draw, then to take 20 wickets - finally win some Test & then series. After that cycle st home, try to do that away - in history of 142 years of Test cricket, only one team ever had 12 rubbers (home & away) at their disposal at a time, which should indicate how tough it is.

At present, we are in lever 4/5 - that's we'll compete every Test at home, win few as well while stressing hosts in away Test in more matches. One reason for that is we hardly get any chance to play away & that AUS/NZ- PAK series (both) should be indicative enough - how tough it's for teams to perform in Test, if you are to visit a country once in a decade & play Test matches without much preparation.

One mistake that posters make here is that they don't study the rich history of Test cricket, which has 1.5 century of records. Apart from initial 2 teams (AUS/ENG), almost every team has gone through such start for 10, 20, even 40 years. PAK in that regard was better, because at start it had almost a readymade team from British India - after that 50s generation & County cricket shaping PAK cricket in 70s, you can check PAK of 60s - that too without any cricket against India & WI.

Another factor no one considers (actually don't have the depth to see that), is we started playing Test cricket when the game is standardized- 5 days, 450 overs, make time, technology to overcome natural hazards like bad light, wet out field, 3rd umpire, neutral umpire ..... hence it's almost impossible for us to bail out a draw through back door, which has resulted such W/L ratio. Besides, now every team plays their available vest XI in Test, against whoever - check the ENG/AUS team (a) that played against SAF, WI, NZ, IND, PAK, SRL in their early days - that'll give you another clue.

If you have any real interest to know the game, study the score cards of initial matches for every team barring oldest two - you should know that the W/L record isn't straight for them. Just think, first 15 years of BD Test cricket a 3 day affair, you can imagine the effect, I hope.

Anyway, this thread is made as a troll by someone who isn't smart enough - what he is asking, forget Indian, if any Srilaakan asks that replacing BD, it won't be even respectable for PAK. I won't have posted in such posts, but couldn't resist responding your one, since I do appriciate your good wish.

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I will always acknowledge a good response or in this case a fighting effort to put up a good response :-)

I will not continue the debate as we have both had our say and that is what a healthy sporting debate should be. I like banter. I will draw the line at insulting anyone or a country. So I will stick to my view but acknowledge your response and wish BD luck :-)
 
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] its simple, Australia is equal to Germany in football.

Germany is actually the GOAT in football not Brazil/Argentina.
 
And Pakistan is Brazil. Lots of trophies. Same flair.

I was unfair comparing bd to luxembourg in football as bd have beaten big teams at home and qualified for world cups. A fair example would be Norway in football. Qualified for world cups. Win often at home even against big teams. But never a world level threat. May do a denmark and win a trophy one day.
 
Truth is Pak has a brand in Cricket - they sell. Flawed genius or something like that is the USP. We dont have one yet. We dont sell as much. This is the raw truth.
 
In time bd will become a strong side and this will benefit Asian cricket hugely to gave 4 competitive sides.
 
If you lose every single Test match away from home with no competition, people lose interest, boards lose money, and big teams stop inviting you. Maybe Bangladesh can tour Zimbabwe or the new Test nations such as Ireland and Afghanistan more often to make it more interesting.

All of India, Pakistan, and Sri Lanka have rarely won "away" Tests in the past 5 years. I think you could count on the fingers of two hands how many they have won in Australia, England, South Africa, and New Zealand. Ergo, Bangladesh losing there should not be the sole reason, going forward.

Bangladesh had lots of tours up to 2010 but sucked and thus got very few in the last several years. But the steady improvement of recent years warrants more fixtures from 2018 onwards.
 
All of India, Pakistan, and Sri Lanka have rarely won "away" Tests in the past 5 years. I think you could count on the fingers of two hands how many they have won in Australia, England, South Africa, and New Zealand. Ergo, Bangladesh losing there should not be the sole reason, going forward.

Bangladesh had lots of tours up to 2010 but sucked and thus got very few in the last several years. But the steady improvement of recent years warrants more fixtures from 2018 onwards.

Just in the recent tour of England, Pakistan won two test matches, one in Lords and one in Oval and drew the series. Went on really close to win 1st test match against Australia as well atleast gave spectators something to watch and test cricket was its best. I cant remeber the last time an Asian team drew the series in England let alone winning it. :sarf
 
Pakistan have a poor record in Australia- never won a series there. Nor in saffers. Drawn there.
Theyve won 3 series in england.


Remember these countries have worse records playing in Pakistan in most cases.

Pakistan is a cricket super power but not a financial or organisational cricketing powerhouse. In no way can bd remotely be compared.
 
A Bangladesh Pakistan Test series would be pretty close right now, now that Younis and Misbah are gone. I'd back Bangladesh to win in Bangladesh and it would be pretty tight in the UAE.

Bangladesh would probably win an ODI series anywhere against Pakistan.
 
A Bangladesh Pakistan Test series would be pretty close right now, now that Younis and Misbah are gone. I'd back Bangladesh to win in Bangladesh and it would be pretty tight in the UAE.

Bangladesh would probably win an ODI series anywhere against Pakistan.

in other words you mean ban is HTB and nothing outside home

and why would pakistan risk the ranking points by playing number 9 team in test

i guess your team golden era is over so sad only lasted 2 years
 
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] its simple, Australia is equal to Germany in football.

Germany is actually the GOAT in football not Brazil/Argentina.

If you put it this way, I do find similarity between Germany & Aussies. Also, both teams do have one thing common - die hard fighter till last moment. Brazil is incomparable in cricket - if I am to find similarity with PAK cricket team, it's probably very close to Argentina or France - outstanding individuals, but always there is some issues within the team on or off the field. Both nation in football actually are under achiever & they performed well only when there was a strong leader - in that regard, I do tend to believe Passarella, Maradona, Platini, Deschapms or Zidane could unite their team, which many others failed. Similarly, it's not surprising that PAK's 2 ICC win came under Imran & Sarfraz.
 
I cant remeber the last time an Asian team drew the series in England let alone winning it.

Only 2 series wins in Eng by Asian sides in Eng in the last 10 years.

2007 by India

2014 by SL
 
A Bangladesh Pakistan Test series would be pretty close right now, now that Younis and Misbah are gone. I'd back Bangladesh to win in Bangladesh and it would be pretty tight in the UAE.

Bangladesh would probably win an ODI series anywhere against Pakistan.

BD should first try to get their Test wins in double figures :))

I see the delusions are back, I was waiting to see how long these trolls would be start trolling again after their team only managed 1 win in the CL.
 
Pakistan have a poor record in Australia- never won a series there. Nor in saffers. Drawn there.
Theyve won 3 series in england.


Remember these countries have worse records playing in Pakistan in most cases.

Aus has won test series in Pakistan twice.

SA has won test series in Pakistan twice.

Eng has won test series in Pakistan twice.

How this record is mostly worse than Pakistan winning 3 test series in Eng and not winning any in SA or in Aus?
 
in other words you mean ban is HTB and nothing outside home

and why would pakistan risk the ranking points by playing number 9 team in test

i guess your team golden era is over so sad only lasted 2 years

Just wait.Let Pakistan play another series against a top team or tournament.If they win thumbs up for them.At this moment it's 4-1 series in favour of Pakistan.
 
No need this type of thread as the contrast is justified. BD was(still) minnow in test whereas Pak was(still) is good team of test. So it is well justified.
 
If you put it this way, I do find similarity between Germany & Aussies. Also, both teams do have one thing common - die hard fighter till last moment. Brazil is incomparable in cricket - if I am to find similarity with PAK cricket team, it's probably very close to Argentina or France - outstanding individuals, but always there is some issues within the team on or off the field. Both nation in football actually are under achiever & they performed well only when there was a strong leader - in that regard, I do tend to believe Passarella, Maradona, Platini, Deschapms or Zidane could unite their team, which many others failed. Similarly, it's not surprising that PAK's 2 ICC win came under Imran & Sarfraz.

Yeah, you cant really compare football with Cricket, because football is seriously played at international level like every four years.

The rankings in football dont really matter, but in Cricket they are actually accurate representation of teams strength.

IMHO, Germay, Brazil, Italy, Argentina, Spain, France are definitely much better than Pak in Cricket.

A proper comparison of Pak in Cricket would be similar to Uruguay/Chile/Portugal/Holland in football.
 
Yeah, you cant really compare football with Cricket, because football is seriously played at international level like every four years.

The rankings in football dont really matter, but in Cricket they are actually accurate representation of teams strength.

IMHO, Germay, Brazil, Italy, Argentina, Spain, France are definitely much better than Pak in Cricket.

A proper comparison of Pak in Cricket would be similar to Uruguay/Chile/Portugal/Holland in football.

Not a very well thought comparison was it?

1. None of these teams have won world level trophies. Pakistan has 3.

2. None of these teams regularly beat the big teams. Pakistan do.

3. These are not huge teams apart from Holland. Pakistan is.

So i think Brazil is a suitable comparison to Pakistan.

Here are calus football comparisons

Pakistan- brazil or Argentina
Australia- germany
India - Spain
New zealand - Portugal
South Africa- England
England- England!
Sri Lanka - Holland
West Indies - italy
Zimbabwe - bolivia
Bangladesh- Norway
 
Not a very well thought comparison was it?

1. None of these teams have won world level trophies. Pakistan has 3.

2. None of these teams regularly beat the big teams. Pakistan do.

3. These are not huge teams apart from Holland. Pakistan is.

So i think Brazil is a suitable comparison to Pakistan.

Here are calus football comparisons

Pakistan- brazil or Argentina
Australia- germany
India - Spain
New zealand - Portugal
South Africa- England
England- England!
Sri Lanka - Holland
West Indies - italy
Zimbabwe - bolivia
Bangladesh- Norway

No, Uruguay is former 2 times World Cup winners and is one of the top South American team along with Brazil/Argentina. Chile is a current both South and North American Champion. Portugal is a current Euro champion and has the best player in the world. Holland is a three times WC finalist.

These are not some stupid teams I mentioned like you did with Luxembourg.

Pakistan only won One world title, and CT is equivalent to European Championship or South American cup. The less said about T20 the better(WI won this even more than Pak).

My assessment was right on the money.
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] what do you think?
 
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No, Uruguay is former 2 times World Cup winners and is one of the top South American team along with Brazil/Argentina. Chile is a current both South and North American Champion. Portugal is a current Euro champion and has the best player in the world. Holland is a three times WC finalist.

These are not some stupid teams I mentioned like you did with Luxembourg.

Pakistan only won One world title, and CT is equivalent to European Championship or South American cup. The less said about T20 the better(WI won this even more than Pak).

My assessment was right on the money.
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] what do you think?

No one is comparable to Brazil - they won 5 WC's playing most entertaining football & that's after their 5 best teams not making finals from 1974 to 1990.

AUS is comparable to Germany for their consistency & never say never attitude. Rest are just names - absolutely no link. WI I can compare with Uruguay or Hungary (great, great teams in early years), but don't know how the other name comes.
 
Good response mmhs.

Valid points.

But come on yaar... uruguay wins were in the 30s.
Portugal and holland not won world titles.

And T20 is a genuine title. Windies won cos of their power and raw talent.

Anyway ... lets call it a draw.

I shouldn't have involved myself in petty comparisons. My mistake.
 
Good response mmhs.

Valid points.

But come on yaar... uruguay wins were in the 30s.
Portugal and holland not won world titles.

And T20 is a genuine title. Windies won cos of their power and raw talent.

Anyway ... lets call it a draw.

I shouldn't have involved myself in petty comparisons. My mistake.

No issues 👍

Uruguay won WC in their first 2 outings (didn't go to Europe in 1934 & 1938 to defend their title), and they made the SF of 1970 as well - lost tho that wonderful Brazil team 1-0. It's truly remarkable for a country of 3.5mn (in 1930, it was 2.3mn) to produce such talents in a global game. It's interesting to notice that their WC glory returns every 20 years - 1930 (W), 1950 (W), 1970 (SF), 1990 (QF), 2010 (SF). Hungary is probably the closest to WI comparison, though they didn't win WC. In 80 years, WI reached unreal peak for 25 years & then faded away. Similarly, from 1930s to 1960s, particularly in 1950s, they were true super power of soccer. That golden team of 1954 is among top 2/3 all time best teams; but like WI of 1983, that day of 4th July, at Bern, they lost to German resilience- their first loss in 5 years.

If you want to compare, may be SRL is like Holland - their team had high & low like the Dutch. Holland is a very small country, therefore their bench strength is poor & with passing of every generation, they are almost lost for few years. SRL had 2 golden generations - one between 1994 to 1997 and the other one between 2007 to 2014. Either side or in between, it's almost blank. Similarly, apart from those 3 generation of Dutch football (1972-1978, 1988-1998, 2008-2014) they have actually failed to qualify for WC in 82, 86, 2002, 2006 ... and in euro 2016, when 23 seats were available in euro zone. Just like SRL's overall team (historical team), is poor, but they have produced few ATGs, Holland's all time XI is actually as good as the Brazilian or German all time best, but after Cruyff, Basten, Neskiens, Gullit, RVP, RVN, Siddorf, Rijkaard or Robben, their 2nd XI is almost nothing.
 
No, Uruguay is former 2 times World Cup winners and is one of the top South American team along with Brazil/Argentina. Chile is a current both South and North American Champion. Portugal is a current Euro champion and has the best player in the world. Holland is a three times WC finalist.

These are not some stupid teams I mentioned like you did with Luxembourg.

Pakistan only won One world title, and CT is equivalent to European Championship or South American cup. The less said about T20 the better(WI won this even more than Pak).

My assessment was right on the money.
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] what do you think?


Despite my promise to distance myself from this comparison, I will make one final response :-)

Your assessment was NOT on the money.

Uruguay are known to be a boring and very defensive team. Pakistan - along with Windies - have always been known for being exciting and full of flair. Hence - you are wrong!

Uruguay won the world cup in its infancy in the 30s. They have won jack for 90 years (World events only count). Hence - you are wrong.

Chile and the others are rubbish comparisons - not won world cups.


So - just to let u know - Brazil is a good comparison.

If you were to use Premier League Football examples and pretend that Champions League is a World Cup - Pakistan would be Chelsea. Bangladesh would be Watford.
 
With Ire and Afg getting Test status Bangladesh can play against them to make up any tests if they feel they are not playing enough. I also wouldn't mind Pakistan going and playing 1 test in Ireland before the 2 test series in Eng next year to get more time to acclimatize to Eng/Ire conditions.
 
Not a very well thought comparison was it?

1. None of these teams have won world level trophies. Pakistan has 3.

2. None of these teams regularly beat the big teams. Pakistan do.

3. These are not huge teams apart from Holland. Pakistan is.

So i think Brazil is a suitable comparison to Pakistan.

Here are calus football comparisons

Pakistan- brazil or Argentina
Australia- germany
India - Spain
New zealand - Portugal
South Africa- England
England- England!
Sri Lanka - Holland
West Indies - italy
Zimbabwe - bolivia
Bangladesh- Norway

dude india has won more ICC trophies than Pakistan. After Australia it's India who has more trophies than WI/Sri/PAK comes. How you are comparing yourself to Brazil. Brazil was very consistent in winning world events and even Argentina for that matter. So don't compare to those footballs teams. WI/SRI were ahead of you in winning world events before your champion trophy win.
 
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dude india has won more ICC trophies than Pakistan. After Australia it's India who has more trophies than WI/Sri/PAK comes. How you are comparing yourself to Brazil. Brazil was very consistent in winning world events and even Argentina for that matter. So don't compare to those footballs teams. WI/SRI were ahead of you in winning world events before your champion trophy win.

India has only won 2 more trophies than Pakistan, one extra CT and one more WC.

Hardly Brazil like.
 
Sri Lanka not ahead od Pakistan.

West Indies are a great cricket nation. No harm in being below them.

Of course India are 2 trophies ahead of Pakistan. India is a top tier, great cricket nation.

The point I am making and hence the Brazil comparison is the natural flair and excitement associated with Pakistan. Comparable to the great Windies teams in regard to exciting play.

Of course- Pakistan is behind Aus, India and Windies in terms of global events. But 4th is no small thing. And the phainty Pakistan delivered to our neighbors last month will resonate with them for many years. It was a phainty, butt smacking, annihilation that they will never forget.
 
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