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Actually, we have our own stars now. Back then, we didn't have any real Bengali star, so we were supporting Pakistan or India.
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Bangladesh has never won a match when it matters!
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Actually, we have our own stars now. Back then, we didn't have any real Bengali star, so we were supporting Pakistan or India.
Yeah, that ruthlessness seems to be missing or very rare. TBH they should start dropping batsmen who can't chase and fail under pressure. Soft runs won't matter much in the long run or at icc tournaments.
I hope to see them at least in the semis in the next ICC event, I guess it's WT20.
Do you think not reaching semis there would be a failure?
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I am sure 8 out of 8 losses show how resilient Afghans are.
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Considering how long AFG has been playing cricket vs BD, I'd say, try again
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You must be someone who only watches games once in every four years.
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I suppose knockout games are important dont they? they did won against us and Afghanistan in Asia cup when it mattered. Semi finalist of the champions trophy 2017 too if you remember? Beating NZ. Reached QF of 2015 world cup too, knocking England out.
so you see they have been winning important matches.
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You need 3 good replacements after Tamim, Shakib and Rahim go and a good leg spinner. I don't think Sabir, Sarkar etc are good enough on their own or could carry the team on their own. Though M.Mortaza retiring would be a bonus.
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Two years for AFG vs more than 35 years for BD, I'd say try one more time...lol
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AFG doesn't play for 2 years. More like 10-15 years. They started from Division 5 or something.
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I dont see what is the fuss about their ages. They can easily play the next WC. They already have youngsters contributing like
Das 24
Saifuddin 22
Mosaddik 23
Mehdi 21
Mustafiz 23
They simply have to find a proper opener to partner Tamim, a leggie and a fast bowler. I reckon they'll be strong title contenders in next two T20s and WC2023
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I dont see what is the fuss about their ages. They can easily play the next WC. They already have youngsters contributing like
Das 24
Saifuddin 22
Mosaddik 23
Mehdi 21
Mustafiz 23
They simply have to find a proper opener to partner Tamim, a leggie and a fast bowler. I reckon they'll be strong title contenders in next two T20s and WC2023
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BD started playing ODI's in 1979, ICC trophy, here in the UK and became eligible to play ODI's in 1999 and got test playing status in 2000
AFG on the other hand played club cricket in the 90's, after which the game got banned for different reasons and was revived in 2000. AFG only got test status in June 2017 and first qualified for ODI's in 2009.
The point is that BD has been playing against quality opponents for much longer than Afg but the game maturity progression lags the time invested by BD compared to AFG.
Can't blame them. They have improved massively but India has been a bogey team for them. They don't get to play enough games against top teams like Eng or AUS abroad which is another issue. They need to get good pace bowlers and have another opener instead of Sowmya. How can a dude hold on to his spot without a single 50 in 8 games is a wonder and that's where BD is losing games.
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Really? Pakistan beat India in their last bilateral and beat them in the CT final.
What have Bangladesh done?
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Bangladesh actually won an ODI series against India too (back in 2015). They won by 2-1.
Other than that, they haven't done anything.
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BD lost to teams that were better than them. England, Australia, India.
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Bangladesh had the ability to beat NZ and India in this tournament. Needed better fielding a little bit more contribution from Tamim and Mushy and middle order too
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IMHO, Bangladesh as a team have improved leaps and bounds over the last 4 years. Teams can't take them lightly anymore, like they used to do in the past. BD's batting core appears pretty good with the likes of Shakib, Mushfiq, Soumya, Liton, Sabbir etc. Bowling is an area where they still seem weak (especially when playing away from their home turf).
Not trying to belittle Pakistan here. As an Indian cricket fan, I feel our team gets stiffer challenge from Bangladesh (whenever we play each other, regardless of the place) more so than Pakistan, these days (excepting for that one off CT final).
Not trying to belittle Pakistan here. As an Indian cricket fan, I feel our team gets stiffer challenge from Bangladesh (whenever we play each other, regardless of the place) more so than Pakistan, these days (excepting for that one off CT final).
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In BD's first world cup, we beat Scotland and Pakistan handsomely. Afghanistan are in their 2nd world cup and so far have been able to beat only Scotland by 1 wicket across 14 world cup games. Afghanistan are "apparently" at the same stage as we were in 2007 WC where we beat 2 of the title contenders - India and South Africa handsomely.
With all due respect to Afghanistan, they are starting to perform well but so far they have done well only against the following teams:
1) Bangladesh = still a lower tier side
2) Zimbabwe = Have regressed severely
3) Pakistan = Didn't win matches tho, but Pakistan is one of those sides who are still not consistent enough.
4) WI and Lanka = Teams who have fallen big time and are vastly inconsistent.
However, i do agree we played more against bigger teams by the time we played in the 2007 WC. And by the looks of it, next world cup you wont see the likes of Nabi, Hamid, Dawlat. Their spin attack will still be strong. Get some good pacers and proper batsman barring Rahmat and Shahidi and they can actually start winning matches.
Absolutely rubbish bro - what you have written here. I understand that the AFG show (on & off the field) was two days old so the memory has already faded away and Afghans have become PP darling once again for their talunt ... until next time; but what you have written is complete hog wash.
No, AFGs haven’t done anything, absolutely nothing and they are now playing for quite sometimes. Nothing against Afghans but the maturity they have shown here after 7-8 years is just nothing special- I can go back to 2007 when BD beat India & SAF in active WC games or beat WIN in an active T20 WC game. Or beating that Australia in 2006 in an ODI in UK, or making them run for life in that Fatullah Test in 2005. These are individual incidents - depending on whom you want to hype, you can make your story. In fact, AFGs haven’t done anything close to what Ireland or Kenya have done without remotely close support that Afghans are getting now.
What AFGs have got in their favour is that at very early stage of their journey, they got benefited from Indian system and because of ICCs globalisation efforts, they are playing lots of competitive games from lower tier - these have helped them to close the gap between associates & Test level. I can recall BD cricket of 1990s when our exposure of international cricket was ICC associates cup (WC qualifier) in every four years and may be a tour by MCC or Hyderabad Blues or Lahore Gymkhana in every two years.
What Afghans have done is the easiest part - before Afghans, Kenya were in far far better situation in that scale by even early 1990s. In fact where Afghans are today, Kenya was much better than that level in 1996. It’s nothing - you pick Nepal, Scotland or PNG, give them similar exposure & support, with in few years time they’ll prove that Afghans haven’t done anything special.
What is the toughest part is next step - getting into the mix of top tier, to a state that you can compete bite by bite with top dogs. This will take lot, lot more skills, maturity & overall development of the game than what AFGs are now. Kenya faded away, not because they were less ********, rather they couldn’t cope up with the demand of next step. This can be said for few countries as well - Ireland, Scotland, Holland, ZIM, Denmark. AFGs next 3-4 years will be the defining moment - now they won’t be judged with 80-90% games against associates.
In fact, I see the opposite- you can bookmark this post to bump in three years time. Afghans are a team with several aged players and these players learned their game trough hard ball cricket in Pakistan. The quality & skill set that I see among Afghan youngsters- I am afraid once their 30+ players like Nabi, Shinwari, Asghar, Shahzad, Zadran, Hamid Hasan, Naib ... retires, they’ll face a severe decline and I don’t see them overcoming it in current state.
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Win over Pakistan can take Bangladesh to 5th, their best ever performance in CWC.
Bangladesh’ best performance in a world cup till date has been a quarterfinal spot once (2015).
But if BD wins against Pakistan later this week, it will be ranked 5th; above WI, Pak, SL and South Africa. Pakistan and BD will have same 9 points with the latter way ahead in NRR. Of course this needs India to beat SL in the last match. But even if India loses from SL, the 6th rank will be BD’s best ever performance.
While Bangla fans will understandably be disappointed on not making the semis, #5 rank can still be their all-time best performance and they have everything to fight for. A victory here will make BD ready for future glory and cement their place as #2 ODI team in Asia.
Come on Bangla!
Bangladesh’ best performance in a world cup till date has been a quarterfinal spot once (2015).
But if BD wins against Pakistan later this week, it will be ranked 5th; above WI, Pak, SL and South Africa. Pakistan and BD will have same 9 points with the latter way ahead in NRR. Of course this needs India to beat SL in the last match. But even if India loses from SL, the 6th rank will be BD’s best ever performance.
While Bangla fans will understandably be disappointed on not making the semis, #5 rank can still be their all-time best performance and they have everything to fight for. A victory here will make BD ready for future glory and cement their place as #2 ODI team in Asia.
Come on Bangla!
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I think they will be de motivated and just give a chance to all their bench players.
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Considering 5/10 teams are Asian teams what’s interesting about that.
In fact it’s embarassing that only one Asian team will be in semis
Wasn’t this the golden generation? If this is the ceiling of the golden generation, then it’s not much. Most of them are in their mid 30s and still need time to figure out how to finish matches.
Being better than Pakistan and West Indies is no achievement, they are by far two of the worst run boards/teams in international cricket.
I don’t see the coming generation as being better than the current one’s.
Even though the OP was in jest/troll, I do agree with him in the sense that BD never figured out how to win.
Being better than Pakistan and West Indies is no achievement, they are by far two of the worst run boards/teams in international cricket.
I don’t see the coming generation as being better than the current one’s.
Even though the OP was in jest/troll, I do agree with him in the sense that BD never figured out how to win.
They beat Pakistan in the last 6 out of 7 encounters and New Zealand has won only a single T20 in BD since 2010 spanning 2 tours and lost the rest of the matches. SA lost the ODI series to BD during their last tour to BD. Were you even in your right mind before typing this down? Afghanistan are going nowhere with both their players and fans being mediocre and third class on and off the field.
Bangladesh have been more consistent against India.
Pakistan has had only 1 good game against India in the last 6 ODIs. On the other 5 occasions they failed to even put up a fight. Even in T20Is it's 5-1 in India's favour this decade. Surely that's not good enough. Pakistan are better than that.
Bangladesh, on the other had has given India multiple scares in both ODIs and T20Is in the last 5 years. It is true that since their 2-1 victory over India in 2015, they haven't won anything against India in any format - losing 5 ODIs, 6 T20Is and 1 test match.
But quite a few of those games went down to the last over. I can't remember the last time and IND vs PAK match went to the last over...
If you ask me, the only thing Pakistan has over Bangladesh (when we are talking about matches vs India) is CT '17. Every other match, Bangladesh has actually outperformed Pakistan.
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Results matter. Bangladesh, as any other minnow team, is good only for here and there scare. But when it matters, they will fail where as Pakistan was able to beat India in second most prestigious tournament. Pakistan will be always ahead of Bangladesh even if they have selected the worst bunch from the domestic pool.
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We have won tri series tournament just before world cup beating west Indies. We were close of winning at least 3 tournaments ,very very close, 2012 Asia cup, Nidhas trophy, tri series final against Srilanka, recent Asia cup, just luck wasn't in our favor.
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It wasn't unexpected for us . Saif is really good with the bat. With time his bowling also be better and a genuine pace bowling all rounder lives within him
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Clever thread.
If they beat us on Friday, the OP would claim that it didn’t matter because it was a dead-rubber.
If they beat us on Friday, the OP would claim that it didn’t matter because it was a dead-rubber.
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People tend to forget that BD have only been playing cricket since the 90s. Their rise has been quicker than that of India for instance.
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i fear Afghanistan are regressing in ODI's especially as their players start getting picked up more and more in these t20 leagues, maybe ICC was right in limiting the number of minnows in this years tournament
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Lol at your delusion, you can beat us may be one out of fifteen times. Your team has improved no doubt but still far away from beating top teams regularly.
Haha. They likely won't beat PAK but the fact is, it would be a dead-rubber.
Hmm what?
IND played first ODI in 1974, and won the first world cup within 10 years in 1983.
Winning the freaking World Cup. Ya know what that means?
Won the Asia Cup in 84, and in 84 won the World Championship.
Haha. They likely won't beat PAK but the fact is, it would be a dead-rubber.
Hmm what?
IND played first ODI in 1974, and won the first world cup within 10 years in 1983.
Winning the freaking World Cup. Ya know what that means?
Won the Asia Cup in 84, and in 84 won the World Championship.
False equivalence.
ODIs had just started so pretty much everyone started around the 70s.
India's had a cricketing tradition dating back to to the 30s at which time they were certainly the whipping boys.
In regards to Bangladesh their cricketing tradition wasn't as strong. How many E Pakistani players played for Pakistan pre 1971?
Not many. Their rise is truly amazing.
I might even wager it's distantly related to the country's general improvement in economic might.
You can say the same about all of the subcontinent. We were all one, and exchanged skills, expertise, shared grounds.
Irrelevant.
You only get a taste of something when you play it for the first time professionally, a team IND had built for ODIs in 1974 was their first one, totally indigenous. Not the one that was formed under British raj pre-1947.
And they managed to conquer that format in 9 years, winning the greatest event of the sport.
Ok, even if one wouldn't expect BD to do it in 10 years, then 30 years is more than enough dude. And since 2000s it has become easier too I'd argue. Fitness knowledge, facilities, everything improved.
Forget the freaking world cup, it should at least be an Asia Cup win.
BD has so far taken 30 years, no win, yes.
But, AFG is nowhere near BD - they're a bunch of unprofessional clowns. They have a lot of talent in bowling, agree, but overall from top folks in the board to the players, everyone is unprofessional. Batting is joke-level.
They aren't winning anything for at least 10-20 years.
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How much time? Do we need specific stars in teh universe to align for the BD to perform.
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I can tell you that if IPL is around for the next decade and the AFG players get an opportunity to play, they will improve much quicker and faster. Over-rated or not, they have shown more progress in tehpast two years than BD in the last twenty.
No.
AFG isn't even overtaking BD anytime soon.
BD has a proper domestic structure, Test team that can win at home, just not the right pressure players to win in tournaments.
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You can see it your way or any other way but the fact is that BD has been playing with all top-tier teams for almost two decades and yet has to win any tournament of significance.
"Almost beat, Almost there, scared the opposition, cornered, on-their-day etc" is hog wash. Coming second or lower is not winning. Loosing by 1 run is still a loss no matter if you do it 4 times out of 5. I still recall the epic choke BD had against India a few years ago when they failed to make 2 or 3 runs in the last three balls.
All we have heard is excuses after every loss with a promise to deliver the next time which no one knows when
Winning major tournament doesn't happen out of magician's hat. There are several established teams who are not going to leave it for walk & pick. The first step towards winning a major tournament is to reach a level where you are one of the contenders. Coming second isn't wining indeed, but unless you reach to the level of 2nd, you can't expect to become first.
And, no one is giving any excuse for Bangladesh here. This game has 150 years of history - there are many more "epic chokes" if you want to recall.
You are talking about the "maturity" shown by AFGs and then "promise to deliver" - in same topic.... you can't eat the cream & take the cake home.
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Again those posts will come, they showed their hearts, they played with passion.... Etc etc.
Its time. If bangladesh actually wants others to take them seriously, then they should stop acting like a minnow glorifying the defeats.
It has become a habit for the team, manangement and the fans.
Its time. If bangladesh actually wants others to take them seriously, then they should stop acting like a minnow glorifying the defeats.
It has become a habit for the team, manangement and the fans.
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AFG has BCCI on its back now. Surely they will have much better access to infrastructure than before.
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Hahahha this will not go down well for few
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Funny how our win today wont matter either!
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