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There's not much difference between the two teams at the moment. Rankings in all the three formats are similar.BD have achieved more as a team but Afg leads H2H in 2 formats.
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Bangladesh or Afghanistan: Which team will be better in coming decade?
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They are improving at very fast rate .They just need quality fast bowler .Spin department is worldclass while in batting some amazing talent coming up .
They are improving at very fast rate .They just need quality fast bowler .Spin department is worldclass while in batting some amazing talent coming up .
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I think Afghanistan will be better in Test. BD don't take Test seriously and Afghans take it really seriously.
Bangladesh will probably be better in ODI because they give this format the most importance. Also, they have access to better coaches/resources.
T20 can go either way.
These two teams should be really close in terms of achievements. Let's see what happens.
Bangladesh will probably be better in ODI because they give this format the most importance. Also, they have access to better coaches/resources.
T20 can go either way.
These two teams should be really close in terms of achievements. Let's see what happens.
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I honestly cannot understand what's keeping BD from being a competitive team against the top dogs. They seem to have a lot of passion for the game and resources look to be available.
Afg, on the other hand, are the opposite with finite resources but are progressing at a very promising rate. They're a few years away from being a very good team.
Afg, on the other hand, are the opposite with finite resources but are progressing at a very promising rate. They're a few years away from being a very good team.
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I think it is a completely mental/psychological issue. Afghans are naturally fearless and Bangladeshis are generally timid. I say that as a Bangladeshi.
No coach can help Bangladesh. I think they are better off hiring psychologists. Thought process needs to be better.
Aggression is really important in cricket as aggression generates confidence. Afghans have it and it is why they are improving fast (despite their poor show in the World Cup).
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It will be Afghanistan. Only thing which can hold them back is lack of home fixtures
Afghanistan are naturally fearless and they are beating mid-lower ranked full member teams after getting full membership. Bangladesh reached this level around 2011-2012 and Afghanistan have taken a much lesser time. They are a team who can reach top 5 in patches, although they will be a very inconsistent team overall
Bangladesh will always produce good spinners but if they need the push to reach top 5 in patches, they will need explosive batsmen and/or express pacers. Afghanistan have the explosive batsman but Bangladesh fall short in these departments, although some players do show the potential but they end up fading away
Overall Afghanistan will end up being a better team than Bangladesh overall. Both will have spinners as their main strength with Afghanistan's batting giving them the edge
Afghanistan are naturally fearless and they are beating mid-lower ranked full member teams after getting full membership. Bangladesh reached this level around 2011-2012 and Afghanistan have taken a much lesser time. They are a team who can reach top 5 in patches, although they will be a very inconsistent team overall
Bangladesh will always produce good spinners but if they need the push to reach top 5 in patches, they will need explosive batsmen and/or express pacers. Afghanistan have the explosive batsman but Bangladesh fall short in these departments, although some players do show the potential but they end up fading away
Overall Afghanistan will end up being a better team than Bangladesh overall. Both will have spinners as their main strength with Afghanistan's batting giving them the edge
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Bangladesh as long as they sort out their issues. Afghanistan got destroyed like no tomorrow at the World Cup . They don't have what it takes to consistently do well in the longer formats.
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BCB already has a functioning system at place, it will take Afghans some time to reach that level in terms of infra but talent wise they are already more or less at the same level as BD. I think in certain conditions they will even give SENA teams a run for their money. Afghan fighting spirit and fearless attitude is truly commendable. Although BD has financial muscle and resources I think Afghans will go ahead of BD in coming decade.
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Bangladesh first played WC in 1999 it’s been 20 years they still don’t look the team they should have been
Meanwhile Afghanistan played first WC in 2012 they are growing at rapid pace and young talent coming through is really good .
No doubt Afghanistan will overcome Bangladesh
Meanwhile Afghanistan played first WC in 2012 they are growing at rapid pace and young talent coming through is really good .
No doubt Afghanistan will overcome Bangladesh
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[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] thoughts on threads like these??
Bangladesh, and not only Afghans, it’ll be better than few other teams as well - I’ll be happy to revisit this thread on 2029, if I am alive.
There are two thought process in this discussion - one is usual talent route and the other one is through systematic development. I tend to believe in the second one.
What has worked for the AFGs I n short period of time is that most of their players learned the game initially from the established (relatively) cricket culture of PAK, and then now enjoying the top class facilities shared by by BCCI, so their progression (read reduction of gap) was faster. In fact, I won’t even say that - by 2007, within 5-6 years, we also reached a level to compete with top teams at home; but the tougher part is to reach next level.
AFG’s progress I can explain with a real life example (without any ill intentions) - very similar to PAK. 1950s decade was a glorious period for PAK cricket with several readymade players developed in British Indian domestic cricket; then that generation phased out and PAK went into 1960s .... it would have gone beyond current level had the Counties not been there - something we can realise from the days of late 1990s.
The second factor which is shining for AFGs now is that we are in T20 era - something I don’t call cricket. It reduces the fundamental skill gap of the game and AFGs do have couple of unconventional spinners for the purpose - we had one and in one summer he burnt far, far better batting lineups than entire Afghan cricket history has seen - but it doesn’t & wont last long, because the game is built on fundamental skills.
Regarding the Test win at Chittagong, I can explain that as well, though I am sure it’ll sound like an excuse- AFGs got their ideal wicket and won a vital toss ... such things will always happen. On our 3rd year, we could have won a Test in PAK, why didn’t I don’t won’t to dig deep. We competed with that Australia team till 14th session of a Test match and lost only for couple of drops against a wonderful ATG batsman.
Countries like WIN, PAK and SRL - all three former world champs and former top top class teams are now struggling to cope up with top tier teams, because of the weakness at grass-root level, .... I don’t think AFGs are that talented to cover up for that. What we are struggling now is bridging the gap of next level - our U19 team is destroying teams across 4 continents, some of the boys I have seen are exceptionally good for their age; but I know most of them won’t progress beyond a level because of the quality of domestic cricket. AFGs even haven't reached that level.
Having said that, in a 10-12 country cricket family, I would always wish good luck for Afghans and well come if they can prove me wrong. But, it didn’t happen for Kenya, which at the end of last millennium could have put current AFG talent in pocket and forget later which pocket, with the quality of their cricket - it didn’t happen for them and not because suddenly one of the strongest sports nation in world became genetically impotent (in terms of sports talent), rather they couldn’t build the system that’s required to progress to next level. If Afghans are to progress, it has to be through the same route, not because of their natural talent.
: Mark it for 31-12-2029; I’ll be there for sure.
There are two thought process in this discussion - one is usual talent route and the other one is through systematic development. I tend to believe in the second one.
What has worked for the AFGs I n short period of time is that most of their players learned the game initially from the established (relatively) cricket culture of PAK, and then now enjoying the top class facilities shared by by BCCI, so their progression (read reduction of gap) was faster. In fact, I won’t even say that - by 2007, within 5-6 years, we also reached a level to compete with top teams at home; but the tougher part is to reach next level.
AFG’s progress I can explain with a real life example (without any ill intentions) - very similar to PAK. 1950s decade was a glorious period for PAK cricket with several readymade players developed in British Indian domestic cricket; then that generation phased out and PAK went into 1960s .... it would have gone beyond current level had the Counties not been there - something we can realise from the days of late 1990s.
The second factor which is shining for AFGs now is that we are in T20 era - something I don’t call cricket. It reduces the fundamental skill gap of the game and AFGs do have couple of unconventional spinners for the purpose - we had one and in one summer he burnt far, far better batting lineups than entire Afghan cricket history has seen - but it doesn’t & wont last long, because the game is built on fundamental skills.
Regarding the Test win at Chittagong, I can explain that as well, though I am sure it’ll sound like an excuse- AFGs got their ideal wicket and won a vital toss ... such things will always happen. On our 3rd year, we could have won a Test in PAK, why didn’t I don’t won’t to dig deep. We competed with that Australia team till 14th session of a Test match and lost only for couple of drops against a wonderful ATG batsman.
Countries like WIN, PAK and SRL - all three former world champs and former top top class teams are now struggling to cope up with top tier teams, because of the weakness at grass-root level, .... I don’t think AFGs are that talented to cover up for that. What we are struggling now is bridging the gap of next level - our U19 team is destroying teams across 4 continents, some of the boys I have seen are exceptionally good for their age; but I know most of them won’t progress beyond a level because of the quality of domestic cricket. AFGs even haven't reached that level.
Having said that, in a 10-12 country cricket family, I would always wish good luck for Afghans and well come if they can prove me wrong. But, it didn’t happen for Kenya, which at the end of last millennium could have put current AFG talent in pocket and forget later which pocket, with the quality of their cricket - it didn’t happen for them and not because suddenly one of the strongest sports nation in world became genetically impotent (in terms of sports talent), rather they couldn’t build the system that’s required to progress to next level. If Afghans are to progress, it has to be through the same route, not because of their natural talent.
: Mark it for 31-12-2029; I’ll be there for sure.
On a lighter note, this sounded like the challenge from the 3 Idiots movie.
Us din hum wapas aayenge...dekhenge kaun zyada successful hai
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On a lighter note, this sounded like the challenge from the 3 Idiots movie.
Us din hum wapas aayenge...dekhenge kaun zyada successful hai
No, no I am serious - I myself will share this post with few people I know & have set a target.
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Afghanistan is and will probably remain a decent T20 team, but a poor test and ODI team.
I know they beat Bangladesh in a one off test match, but that's the point, it was a single match. I'd expect Bangladesh to beat Afghanistan pretty handsomely in a proper 3 match series.
I know they beat Bangladesh in a one off test match, but that's the point, it was a single match. I'd expect Bangladesh to beat Afghanistan pretty handsomely in a proper 3 match series.
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Bangladesh, they have the infrastructure and are much safe so will host test playing nations.
Afghanistan neither has the infrastructure nor a long history of investing grassroot cricket. Also Afghanistan is no shape of hosting test playing nations for the next decade cause of the security situation.
Afghanistan neither has the infrastructure nor a long history of investing grassroot cricket. Also Afghanistan is no shape of hosting test playing nations for the next decade cause of the security situation.
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Afghanistan has some decent players at the moment, but they severely lack decent batsman.
BD has a functioning system and will do better in the longer formats where there is more skill.
In T20's you can fill your team with guys with poor techniques and you can survive, that won't happen in tests.
BD has a functioning system and will do better in the longer formats where there is more skill.
In T20's you can fill your team with guys with poor techniques and you can survive, that won't happen in tests.
Afghanistan play or host their tests in India.
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and there's no way you can grow a sport in a country with no history of it if you don't play your games at home, Afghanistan doesn't have either the grassroot structures nor infrastructure to support team success for the next decade or at least they won't be better than Bangladesh in the 2020s.
Bangladesh clearly will be better team in long term. My basis has economy as a major factor (Not the only one though). Bangladesh are quickly developing one and Afghanistan can at any time fall back into full fledged civil war. This alone is enough to make an projection
Besides this except for T20, Bangladesh are showing much more maturity and surely will be a better team in long term
Besides this except for T20, Bangladesh are showing much more maturity and surely will be a better team in long term
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Let's put a few things straight. Everytime Bangladesh lose a match to Afghanistan you guys have an explanation. Either the format is T20 and you don't call that cricket. Either your best players are missing or the toss won Afghanistan the game. Your Captain Shakib was saying we have to restore normality before the test against Afghanistan. Maybe he was refering to Bangladesh pathetic test record: 113 games played and just won 13 of them. 6 of them against weak over the hill Zimbabwe and 4 against a struggling WI team. Just to put things in perspective Bangladesh used 60 games to win 2 matches. Afghanistan just needed 3 test matches to win 2 tests.
Yes Bangladesh have better infrastructure, better support, stronger economy, peace, much larger population to pick players from and yet they are being compared to Afghanistan who is inferioer in all of the above points named. And Afghanistan has played 110 less tests and 247 less ODIS and 14 less T20I's.
"But, it didn’t happen for Kenya, which at the end of last millennium could have put current AFG talent in pocket and forget later which pocket"
Who are exactly the superstars Kenya produced? Afghanistan right now has 5 players to play in Big Bash, 4-5 (second most after aussies) to play in the new English the 100's. 1-2 playing county. U.19 team won asian cup, made semis of WC. How was Kenya supperior in terms of the talent they had. Can you name their players and list the averages here?
Last but not least: Afghanistan does have a system in place. It's still raw, but they have ODI leagues, T20 Leagues and FC competition + u.19 system that they produce players from.
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Bangladesh will be the stronger team than Afghanistan. Afghanistan mostly thrive in playing T20s, there best players are the ones who have been playing international cricket. They don’t seem to be developing much talent. They will take longer to improve yet.
No one is giving any excuse. AFGs have won 2 Tests against BD and Ireland - come back when they win their 2nd Test against top 8 sides. What Shakib said & why I am well aware of that, and I didn’t find any issue there - try to listen some comments from almost everyone related to AFG cricket.
It’s fortune for AFG cricket that T20 has boomed and so many tournaments are played around, so some of the players are playing around which has helped the team to bridge gap quickly, in T20s. In 90s Kenya had players playing in County & SAF domestics, when it was difficult for even top internationals to make that cut - that culture of global cricket wasn’t there. The Kenyan reference was to give an example - in reality, they made 2003 WC SF, and AFGs made it 0-9 in 2019, and running 0-12 ........ now go and figure out which pocket.
Anyway, if AFGs do well, most welcome, I’ll never be unhappy or jealous - Cricket needs more teams at higher level.
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Bangladesh will do alright in LOI cricket, but will continue to be pathetic in Test cricket. However, I don't see Bangladesh getting even near an ICC trophy in the next 10-15 years.
Afghanistan has made a lot of progress in a very short time, and they are a few good batsmen away from getting even better. Can't say much about them right now to be honest as they are an unknown quantity, and teams are still getting used to their spinners. Will be blown away in Test cricket for now unfortunately.
Afghanistan has made a lot of progress in a very short time, and they are a few good batsmen away from getting even better. Can't say much about them right now to be honest as they are an unknown quantity, and teams are still getting used to their spinners. Will be blown away in Test cricket for now unfortunately.
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Once again tell me about their great talent. You did not name anyone. Let's compare the talent.
As impressive as the semifinal spot sounds. In actuel they beat 1 good team which was Sri Lanka. Rest were all wins against minnows: Canada and Bangladesh.
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Bangladesh will be miles ahead of afghanistan.
Dont take the result of last series too seriously, it was a tactical error by bangladesh, they wont make that mistake again.
Dont take the result of last series too seriously, it was a tactical error by bangladesh, they wont make that mistake again.
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dont see how people are so optimistic on bangladesh, all their decent test batsmen are the wrong side of thirty and in 20 years of cricket they havn't produced a world class quick bowler.
shakib is their talisman, and a truly world class all rounder, tamim and mushfiq are good international quality players and thats pretty much it for their test side in twenty years.
shakib is their talisman, and a truly world class all rounder, tamim and mushfiq are good international quality players and thats pretty much it for their test side in twenty years.
That only tells how difficult it’s to develop Test quality players - reaching a certain level from bottom is one thing; moving to next level is totally different ball game. And then, when you are at a higher level, maintaining that is even tougher, because then established teams start to notice you and you hardly get them off guard.
The irony is you are trying to boast AFGs two Test win against BD and IRL there after. In WC, AFGs realised what’s its like when better teams start to take notice of minnows, the real journey has just started now.
I don’t think I need to compare AFG talent - I know what was Odumbe, Tikolo, Asif Karim, Odoyo, Suji Brothers, Rajab Ali, Otieno, Hitesh Modi .... it took them just one decade to be completely wiped out, that was the point. BD and AFGs are actually fortunate that, their little improvement resulted in Test status, Kenyans were not.
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Gotta say, Tikolo was class. There was a Ravindu Shah as well.
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Are they bigger Talent then Mohammad Shahzad, Mohammad Nabi, Rashid Khan, Mujeeb Ur Rehman, Rehmat Shah, Hamid Hassan, Dawlat Zadran, Hashmatullah Shaidi, Najibullah... Just to name a few.
No doubt Tikolo and Odoyo were very good, but most of their batters average is 20-25. Suji brothers average 50+ with the bowl for instance.
And before comparing Afghanistan to Kenya - you should at least know a little bit about Afghanistan..
When Afghanistan first starting riping through the divisions people compared the team with Kenya and said they have a golden generation and once they are gone Afghanistan will struggle. Kenya had a golden generation that they could not replace and therefor their cricket went to ****.
Afghanistan has not only managed to replace their first generation, but they have managed to replace them with better players.
It's only in the fast bowling department that Afghanistan regressed.
So make some research.. Afghanistan got ODI status in 2009 and it's 2019. Decade already gone and the team is going from strenght to strenght.
Yes they lost all games at WC, but it had more to do with internal problems then actual ability. And even then they had some pretty close games and competed very well in some games.
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I think Bangladesh. They have started to develop a good batting culture
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You are two good batsmen and one decent fast bowler away from being a gun team.
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Bangladesh is similar to Zinbanwe cricket
If AFG is KENYA then BD is definitely the asian version of Zimbabwe.
20 years of cricket yet very few good performances here and there.You have to question the decision of ICC awarding them gets status. It was probably the worst decision in the history of ICC.
Imagine countries like NED and IRE given so many chances as BD they would have been a proper test team by now.
BD cricket is a perfect example of how things can go.wrong for a new test playing nation. Most people should follow the PAK/SA/IND example.
BD is definitely worse than ZIM situation- unless they were spoiled by Mughabe, by now ZIM could have been a power in cricket. Within 8 years Test status, they won series in PAK and Test against India, PAK.
The example wasn’t to relate AFGs with Kenya, rather to explain what it needs to develop the game for next level.
Initially I also thought that our Test status was premature, but now I think it wasn’t the worst call - in a small cricket family, it’s important to bring countries in cricket who has the local following, otherwise the game won’t grow. With in 5-6 years of Test status we did achieve few sporadic success, even in Test cricket, but the development stuck almost standstill there after, which suggests, delaying few years won’t have mattered much - it’s a journey that you learn by jumping into it. That Test status forced BCB to establish cricket structure within a decade, delaying means we would have started the foundation later as well and whole thing would have bodily shifted by a decade. No, I Ireland or Netherlands won’t have improved even remotely close to BD if they were given a Test status 20 years back - it doesn’t work like that. What you see is an Irish or Dutch team surprising superior teams here and there based on their few County/League players - developing a system sustainable for generations is totally different thing. For that, first thing you need is mass market and interest - they don’t have that. If it was so easy, Germany, France, Russia, Brazil or USE could have swept IND/PAK in two decades trial.
BD cricket is the perfect example of how you build a system from scratch without foreign aid - from few 30-40 overs club cricket in less than two decades back, Bangladesh has one of the most functional cricket operations among icc members, with proper structure, governance and financial model - I can explain, how but it won’t attract you much.
And please, don’t try to put PAK with India at per in every opportunity - at least 6 Ranji zones have better functionality than PCB it self .... after seven decades now you had to bring a guy from England to remodel your cricket with a basic functional model that’s practiced by every other nation including few associates ... and you are trying to say here people should follow your dynamic Quaid e Azam model - I don’t want to derail this thread, but grow up; your desperation is simply sad.
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Bangladesh's best performance in a World Cup ended with a 8th position, despite their best player having a crazy run-of-form, and four of their most experienced players in the team.
That should tell you enough about Bangladesh's 'progress'. Decent ODI team capable of a victory here and there, but they will continue to struggle in Test cricket and not get anywhere near an ICC trophy for quite some time.
Zimbabwe were very competitive in the 90s, with world-class players, specially in Test cricket. Bangladesh is much closer to Zimbabwe of today, than anywhere near the 90s Zimbabwe.
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To be fair, modern day Zimbabwe lost to Netherlands 0-2, lost to Scotland, and also lost to Singapore! Present Zimbabwe is so bad that they may lose to many associates (which they did in recent times).
I think Zimbabwe from 90's has similarities with present BD team. Zimbabwe didn't win any major trophy and they used to upset big teams here and there. Same with current BD team.
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90s Zimbabwe beat some big teams at home in Test cricket. They were a very competitive side. Had a good run in WC99 too, where they were going toe-to-toe with the best in the world.
Not sure I can say the same about Bangladesh. Also, keep in mind the likes of Shakib, Tamim, Mushfiqur and Mahmudullah won't be playing forever and will retire around the same time. That's when Bangladesh will start having real problems.
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In their Test history, they have only beaten Pakistan, India, and Bangladesh. India were weak in 90's and beating Bangladesh was not a big thing back then. Their only impressive feat in Test was when they beat Pakistan in Pakistan.
Zimbabwe have won 12 Tests in their history. 7 came against Bangladesh, 2 came against India, and 3 came against Pakistan.
In ODI, they were a good side but they never did anything significant. No major trophy.
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If Afghanistan A and Juniors is added into Indian domestics along with Afghanistan senior team playing Indian A and B teams consistently there might be a chance for them to provide one more decent generation , not seeing it otherwise except IPL.
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Exactly. They did beat Pakistan in Pakistan, which is quite a feat.
I saw that Zimbabwe side of the 90s, and they were a level above current Bangladesh. They thrashed a peak South Africa (with Pollock and Donald) in WC99 with an impressive display.
I'm not saying 90s Zimbabwe were the best in the world. I said they were extremely competitive, something which you cannot say about Bangladesh.
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In Zimbabwe's defence, they actually played wellSame world cup when Bangladesh beat a peak Pakistan
Thrashed India too, if we're going down memory lane.Lion of Khyber
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When did that happen ? Afghanistan requested this few months ago, but got rejected by BCCI
Afghanistan U19, however, is on India tour right now, where they will play 5 OD matches.
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Honestly, why speak of something that you have no clue of ? A lot of people here haven't put themselves proper into Afghan cricket and make statments.
I have no magic ball nor am I a clairvoyant, therefore no chance to see which will be a better team in future as both have good cards on hand. But I can assure you that Afghanistan is a better T20 and first class team. Afghanistan has since debuting in intercontinential cup in 2009 ONLY lost 1 first class match - the one against India. Majority of their first class matches have been won in same manner as their test against Bangladesh and Ireland.
On the other hand Afghanistan is crap OD side, and they have been so even in the Division 5 with likes of Jersery and Singapore.
When that is said Afghanistan does have a proper structure, it may not be as good as BD, but it is producing players of high quality. U19 is targeting world cup this time, there are 2 spinners that are Rashid and Mujeeb class.
"This Afghanistan side is playing a different brand of cricket, which has surprised me," Bashar told Kaler Kantho, a Dhaka-based Bengali daily. "Their main team usually slogs the ball. They start going for big shots, but this team doesn't play like that. They are playing in the traditional way, which is very different for them. Even when they went for big shots in this game, they didn't just slog. They played good shots. They took 86 off the last eight overs against experienced bowlers like Shafiul [Islam] and [Abu Jayed] Rahi. This is a group of really committed cricketers."
Afghan T20 league pays uptill 100k per contract to top players, thats as good as any other league (except ipl)
Afghanistan has a domestic structure with list a and first-class, from U16 up till senior. by now 5 stadiums of decent quality, more are in pipeline.
I have no magic ball nor am I a clairvoyant, therefore no chance to see which will be a better team in future as both have good cards on hand. But I can assure you that Afghanistan is a better T20 and first class team. Afghanistan has since debuting in intercontinential cup in 2009 ONLY lost 1 first class match - the one against India. Majority of their first class matches have been won in same manner as their test against Bangladesh and Ireland.
On the other hand Afghanistan is crap OD side, and they have been so even in the Division 5 with likes of Jersery and Singapore.
When that is said Afghanistan does have a proper structure, it may not be as good as BD, but it is producing players of high quality. U19 is targeting world cup this time, there are 2 spinners that are Rashid and Mujeeb class.
"This Afghanistan side is playing a different brand of cricket, which has surprised me," Bashar told Kaler Kantho, a Dhaka-based Bengali daily. "Their main team usually slogs the ball. They start going for big shots, but this team doesn't play like that. They are playing in the traditional way, which is very different for them. Even when they went for big shots in this game, they didn't just slog. They played good shots. They took 86 off the last eight overs against experienced bowlers like Shafiul [Islam] and [Abu Jayed] Rahi. This is a group of really committed cricketers."
Afghan T20 league pays uptill 100k per contract to top players, thats as good as any other league (except ipl)
Afghanistan has a domestic structure with list a and first-class, from U16 up till senior. by now 5 stadiums of decent quality, more are in pipeline.
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Bangladesh have all the credentials to firmly establish themselves as the #2 Asian side in this decade. Pakistan is finished and Sri Lanka will take time to regroup.
Afghanistan have a long way to go before they can make a mark in Test cricket. I feel they Bangladesh are close to translating their Limited Overs success to Test cricket.
Afghanistan have a long way to go before they can make a mark in Test cricket. I feel they Bangladesh are close to translating their Limited Overs success to Test cricket.
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The statement starts with if..
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I beg to differ, the way I see it is despite having money and resources they are not simply producing worldclass talents, their team is still heavily dependent on Shakib and Mushfiqur with Tamim and Mahmudullah pitching in here and there. Even with their golden generation of players being in their respective peaks apart from some isolated wins against top teams I don't think they have done anything to write home about. The thing that surprised me the most in the BD v Afg test is that Afg Bats showed a lot more composure and maturity than their BD counterparts despite them being rookies in the test arena. I know confidence, drive, talents are not tangible and I can't really win a debate or prove anything based on them but I think in this matter I will go by my gut-feeling that says Afg will move ahead of BD and that day is not as far as it currently seems.
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OK, I think the interpretation of my post is perceived differently than what I intended here - I tend to correct my self.
Over the last two decades, what I have seen for BD cricket, is one step up and very next step down. We did reach to a certain level that saw knocking India out of WC, beating WIN in a WC T20 game, beating SAF of 2007 in a WC active rubber, beating that Australia side in an ODI in an active rubber, stressing that AUS side to last pair on 5th day, or PAK in PAK and so no - all these are within first 6-7 years of Test status.
Just like the AFG players or that Nepalese kid is praised today, players like Ashraful, Shahriar, Khaled Masud, Shahadat, Manjurul ... were praised by even the best of the best - Warne, STD, Ponting, Kallis. 10 years back, Tamim scores two of the best hundreds in Test cricket, in England against an attack that robbed best two batting lineups that time around that period - which earned him a Wisden Cricketer of The Year award. We saw Javed Umar carrying the bat, teenager Shakib taking 9 wickets and scoring 80 in a Test against Kiwis, Mashrafee blowing Indian & Aussie top order in one spell or Shahadat taking 6 wickets in a session to blow SAF line up. And, I am not even mentioning a 2-0 Test series win as early as 2008 in WIN, because it was Floyd Reiger’s WIN.
So, some talent might be there - but it didn’t move to next level after initial fast tracking. It took us almost two decades to come to a level, where in most games team will keep the interest into the last quarter in LOs. Test cricket is different because it needs wicket taking bowlers for particular tracks - and we did come to a stage where on our suitable tracks, we can make teams struggle; that was the case even in 2006, may not be so often. A little experience probably helped to close the games against Aussies, Poms, Lankans or West Indiana, which wasn’t there against PAK, AUS, NZ or India 10-15 years back.
From that experience, I felt it’s really difficult to develop world class players after a certain level. But, it could be because of the lack of ability - may be as a nation we are not sports savvy, genetically that gifted. Bangladesh has progressed remarkably in almost every sector of life, and genuinely has developed a cricket system which is functional, but may be sports is not our cup of tea. May be, players don’t have the killer instinct, aggression that can overcome lack of skills.
What I read here is Afghan players are extremely talented, naturally gifted and lion hearted - may be they are indeed good enough to reach that level in 20 years - which Bangladesh failed to do. They are already into 11th year of ODI cricket, Test status is just a level up-gradation, otherwise Afghans are playing 4 day games in newly promoted associate competition, which we never had - that Test match against India in 2000 was debut in proper FC game for many BD players.
In that regard, it’s my mistake to judge Afghan cricket as what’s common for every other countries (not only BD - people can check NZ in 1950s, after 20 years of Test status, or SAF in 1920s, after 40 years of Test cricket, not to mention India). May be, they are exceptional, unique of it’s kind - in that regard what’s Bangladesh, they can topple many established teams in next 10 years time, which is definitely good for the game.
My best wishes for the Afghan team - no hard feelings; Afghans are the closest people here with Bangladeshis and I have seen most numbers of Afghans working in Bangladeshi business here, quite friendly and nice people; cricket talented as well. Good luck - I hope next time for every AFG won against us, I won’t be reminded how talented they are compared to our lot .... and n exchange, I do except that whatever we can scrap against them is a fluke - talent never deserved that.
Over the last two decades, what I have seen for BD cricket, is one step up and very next step down. We did reach to a certain level that saw knocking India out of WC, beating WIN in a WC T20 game, beating SAF of 2007 in a WC active rubber, beating that Australia side in an ODI in an active rubber, stressing that AUS side to last pair on 5th day, or PAK in PAK and so no - all these are within first 6-7 years of Test status.
Just like the AFG players or that Nepalese kid is praised today, players like Ashraful, Shahriar, Khaled Masud, Shahadat, Manjurul ... were praised by even the best of the best - Warne, STD, Ponting, Kallis. 10 years back, Tamim scores two of the best hundreds in Test cricket, in England against an attack that robbed best two batting lineups that time around that period - which earned him a Wisden Cricketer of The Year award. We saw Javed Umar carrying the bat, teenager Shakib taking 9 wickets and scoring 80 in a Test against Kiwis, Mashrafee blowing Indian & Aussie top order in one spell or Shahadat taking 6 wickets in a session to blow SAF line up. And, I am not even mentioning a 2-0 Test series win as early as 2008 in WIN, because it was Floyd Reiger’s WIN.
So, some talent might be there - but it didn’t move to next level after initial fast tracking. It took us almost two decades to come to a level, where in most games team will keep the interest into the last quarter in LOs. Test cricket is different because it needs wicket taking bowlers for particular tracks - and we did come to a stage where on our suitable tracks, we can make teams struggle; that was the case even in 2006, may not be so often. A little experience probably helped to close the games against Aussies, Poms, Lankans or West Indiana, which wasn’t there against PAK, AUS, NZ or India 10-15 years back.
From that experience, I felt it’s really difficult to develop world class players after a certain level. But, it could be because of the lack of ability - may be as a nation we are not sports savvy, genetically that gifted. Bangladesh has progressed remarkably in almost every sector of life, and genuinely has developed a cricket system which is functional, but may be sports is not our cup of tea. May be, players don’t have the killer instinct, aggression that can overcome lack of skills.
What I read here is Afghan players are extremely talented, naturally gifted and lion hearted - may be they are indeed good enough to reach that level in 20 years - which Bangladesh failed to do. They are already into 11th year of ODI cricket, Test status is just a level up-gradation, otherwise Afghans are playing 4 day games in newly promoted associate competition, which we never had - that Test match against India in 2000 was debut in proper FC game for many BD players.
In that regard, it’s my mistake to judge Afghan cricket as what’s common for every other countries (not only BD - people can check NZ in 1950s, after 20 years of Test status, or SAF in 1920s, after 40 years of Test cricket, not to mention India). May be, they are exceptional, unique of it’s kind - in that regard what’s Bangladesh, they can topple many established teams in next 10 years time, which is definitely good for the game.
My best wishes for the Afghan team - no hard feelings; Afghans are the closest people here with Bangladeshis and I have seen most numbers of Afghans working in Bangladeshi business here, quite friendly and nice people; cricket talented as well. Good luck - I hope next time for every AFG won against us, I won’t be reminded how talented they are compared to our lot .... and n exchange, I do except that whatever we can scrap against them is a fluke - talent never deserved that.
Wow that was a brutal win by Afg.
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Afghanistan lost to West Indies by 9 wickets in their home test and missed an opportunity to move above Bangladesh in test rankings.
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I remember before the Afghanistan vs West Indies series started all were saying that Afghanistan were favourites for test match but they get beaten. [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] your thoughts.
Test cricket is tough - Afghans will learn that gradually. Here, AFGs were given a wonderful chance by Holder of batting first on a tailor made wicket for them and bring their 4 spinners in on a rank turner ... still they lost it inside 7 sessions, by nine wickets, and as I read from CI commentary, had that opener guy not survived via no ball, this game would have been over inside two days!!!!!!!!
I think, AFGs have done the first thing right here to their credit, which now is hurting them - they have alerted of their presence and going forward you’ll see teams handling them with better care. This Test or the WC are just the glimpses of things to come - better they prepare for that.
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Up and down performances of Afghanistan is expected for new teams.
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Bangladesh is hopeless in test Cricket. I will concede, with right opportunity Afg, Zim, Ire, would've been much better test teams.
Now with that being said, I am really interested to see how BD new pace bowling improves. I was really impressed with how Rahi, Ebadot, Al Amin bowled in India.
Now with that being said, I am really interested to see how BD new pace bowling improves. I was really impressed with how Rahi, Ebadot, Al Amin bowled in India.
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Shafi ul Islam was impressive as well.
Great to see Bangladesh getting a few promising fast bowlers. There's Saifuddin as well who looked impressive at the world cup. Fizz seems done and dusted.
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Afghanistan is miles ahead of Bangladesh in Test and T20. Bangladesh in 10 years time will be like Kenya
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Maybe it was the pink ball, it was very difficult to bat for all batters.
That means Pakistan in 10 years time will be like somalia
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That's too harsh. Your U19 team is also pretty good.
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Afghanistan in T20s are good. Bangladesh does good in both ODIs and T20s, but still struggling in Tests. I think it is a matter of time they get better in tests.
Afghanistan will get better in T20s but it will take them more time to develop in ODIs and very long for tests.
Afghanistan will get better in T20s but it will take them more time to develop in ODIs and very long for tests.
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They are playing in IND, will be competitive against Asian sides even in test matches soon.
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In their 1st assignments in 2021,
Afghanistan plays Ireland while Bangladesh will take on a depleted WI side.
Should be easy wins for both sides.
Can someone provide me full schedule of both these teams for this year?
Afghanistan plays Ireland while Bangladesh will take on a depleted WI side.
Should be easy wins for both sides.
Can someone provide me full schedule of both these teams for this year?
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Afghanistan produces more precocious players than any other country.A lot of Afghan players are ready for international cricket when they are around 15 years old.These players gain plenty of experience by the time they get to 20.Afghanistan will be better than Bangladesh in coming years.
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As a huge critic of bd cricket i am going to take uturn and says bd cricket is going in right direction and results are showing in junior level where recently they won a world cup .they have much higher ceiling than Afghanistan
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I'll reserve my judgment on Bangladesh's test future till those junior players actually make it to the international level and start performing.
At the moment Bangladesh has the most toothless bowling attack in the world. And their batsmen can't do anything significant in test matches.
At the moment Bangladesh has the most toothless bowling attack in the world. And their batsmen can't do anything significant in test matches.
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15 years old in Afghanistan means 25 years old in the rest of the world.
Not spin attack - you’ll see it when PAK tour BD next time. I’ll also see PAK batting on turners against finger spinners. Pace bowling will need time, but more importantly it’ll need a paradime shift in the cricket philosophy.
I’m actually not one who believes in natural talunt - BD won’t pluck couple of Test class pacer from thin air - it needs lots of technical learning, cultural changes and focus. There are pacers with 145km speed but it’s not going to do anything against Test quality batsmen even on green tops (a bitter truth for you as well I believe) - what it needs is the skill & intelligence mixed with pace and endurance, to set up batsmen & force them out when they are in survival mood.
For that, first thing needs to be done is to change the wickets of Bangladesh - technically it’s not impossible as there are professional foreign groundsmen working with BCB and the soil quality is also very good; but changing the wicket means surrendering the massive home advantage that we have against better teams - I don’t think BCB is ready to sacrifice that.
So, for next 10-12 years I believe the focus will be to try dominating home games with spinners on slow, low bounce tracks and learn the art of playing on faster tracks on away tours - gradually move into building an all-round attack keeping the progress in batting ongoing.
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Neither, untill both produce a couple of decent fast bowlers.Bangladesh are a better batting side while Afghanistan have the better spinners. Bangladesh need to imtroduce more to their bowling than left arm spin.
Both will lose to the top 7 or 8 sides more often than not as we saw at the world cup. In test matches it ll be even worse.
Afghanistan have a little more potential in t20 cricket.
Both will lose to the top 7 or 8 sides more often than not as we saw at the world cup. In test matches it ll be even worse.
Afghanistan have a little more potential in t20 cricket.
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Can you share the names of the 145 bowlers.
The pace bowling was very underwhelming in the bpl.
Wahab had the top 7 or 8 fastest deliveries and he is a spent force.
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Bangladesh.
It’s all about money. This whole infatuation about talent and grit is malarkey. It’s all about money and how much money can be invested into the infrastructure for training and paying players. Bangladesh is on path to be the second best team in Asia in all formats by the end of the decade.
They will likely surpass New Zealand soon enough.
It’s all about money. This whole infatuation about talent and grit is malarkey. It’s all about money and how much money can be invested into the infrastructure for training and paying players. Bangladesh is on path to be the second best team in Asia in all formats by the end of the decade.
They will likely surpass New Zealand soon enough.
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Agreed, Their ATG pace bowler averages 41 runs with the ball with 78 Test wickets.
Shafiul Islam and Mustafizur Rehman have potential to get to 100 Test wickets.
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Bangladesh!
Their batting is WAY better than Afghanistan and cricket will become more of a batting game in the future
Also you cant expect to be better than Ban with just one thing covered "spin"
Ban is a proper test country with all 3 aspects of the game as average or below average as some might say
But with Afghan its just spin other things are beyond pathetic
Also future for Ban is better due to their domestics and school cricket
Their batting is WAY better than Afghanistan and cricket will become more of a batting game in the future
Also you cant expect to be better than Ban with just one thing covered "spin"
Ban is a proper test country with all 3 aspects of the game as average or below average as some might say
But with Afghan its just spin other things are beyond pathetic
Also future for Ban is better due to their domestics and school cricket
That's a fair point when it comes to money and investment into infra. It will still be tough for BD to become 2nd best side in asia since pak have similar income levels and a much more rich cricketing history.
Inspite of talent, sometimes it seems BD lack the big match temperament and in that aspect pak is much ahead.
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