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Mahmudullah should be kicked out from our test side. He is wasting places of nazmul/mosaddek/nurul, who are much better test batsman than him.
 
Would've been great if we had won the toss.

Wanted to see how the kids bat against a pretty good opposition. Especially excited about Pant, Panchal, Iyer and Kishan.
 
street cricketer said:
Would've been great if we had won the toss.

Wanted to see how the kids bat against a pretty good opposition. Especially excited about Pant, Panchal, Iyer and Kishan.
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I always had doubt about Iyer. Last Ranji year was a surprise. But guess he is back to normal hackathon way.
 
Nil Dhumrojal said:
as*far i know all chowdhuries are from*Kolkata or bd :D? How he come from rajasthan?!
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I'll tell you a trick to find if a particular tribe or surname is represented in that area in India. Just check MP and MLA lists of that area for last 3-4 elections.
 
Iyers defense game is pretty suspect atm. But handeye is Sehwag level though.
 
At the moment there are only 2 seam bowling AR prospects in India (apart from Lord Binny of course) - Hardik Pandya and Vijay Shankar.

Hardik Pandya is more of a bowling all rounder - bowls better than he bats but is very raw.

Vijay Shankar is a batting all rounder, a more polished batsman averaging nearly 50 but bowls just dibbly dobblies. Don't think he will be of much use with the ball except in seaming conditions.

Interestingly, both are playing this game. As bowling all rounders are a much more valuable commodity in test cricket, I would give Pandya the long rope and give him more chances. He needs to polish both his batting and bowling a bit though.
 
street cricketer said:
At the moment there are only 2 seam bowling AR prospects in India (apart from Lord Binny of course) - Hardik Pandya and Vijay Shankar.

Hardik Pandya is more of a bowling all rounder - bowls better than he bats but is very raw.

Vijay Shankar is a batting all rounder, a more polished batsman averaging nearly 50 but bowls just dibbly dobblies. Don't think he will be of much use with the ball except in seaming conditions.

Interestingly, both are playing this game. As bowling all rounders are a much more valuable commodity in test cricket, I would give Pandya the long rope and give him more chances. He needs to polish both his batting and bowling a bit though.
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I am looking for abu jayed from bd. A good fast bowling prospect of bd. Though*he is not in the main team.
 
Imrul
Tamim
mushfiqur
shakib
sabbir
ziaur rehman
nasir
mashrafee
fizz
taskin
rubel

this odi side can beat any team in the world at any place

please get rid of that mahmadulla
 
Bangladesh 224/8

Aniket Chaudary 4 fer. Milind, Nadeem, Kuldeep and Shankar a wicket each.
 
Decent recovery by BD & nice start by Ind A. Hope we bat out the entire day 2moro. A. Choudhary was the pick of the bowlers.
 
Was always going to be a difficult match for Bangladesh. It's pretty much the cream of the talent of the Ranji circuit playing in this match.

Good job by the selectors for once deciding to give youngsters a chance.
 
street cricketer said:
I don't know about Milind.

Chaudary is one of the fast bowling prospects along with Rajpoot, Nathu Singh, etc. Tall left armer.
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You are missing basil thamby,monu Kumar, Sandeep warrior and md.siraj as well ,mighty impressed with thamby, 6'2-6'3 balls upto avg speed of 140 with fastest 145 and that too on domestic speed guns, can easily be clocking upto150 ,good thing about him is he is a swing bowler, bowls a good line length, has a very good bouncer and Yorker also has a good slower ball as well and he is young, hope he is fast tracked sooner ,him, nathu,warrior ,aniket and kuldeep will give massive boost to our bowling also that Vijay shankar guy is a solid bat, happen to bowl upto late 130's can be the batting all rounder for us.
 
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Vayuu said:
You are missing basil thamby,monu Kumar, Sandeep warrior and md.siraj as well ,mighty impressed with thamby, 6'2-6'3 balls upto avg speed of 140 with fastest 145 and that too on domestic speed guns, can easily be clocking upto150 ,good thing about him is he is a swing bowler, bowls a good line length, has a very good bouncer and Yorker also has a good slower ball as well and he is young, hope he is fast tracked sooner ,him, nathu,warrior ,aniket and kuldeep will give massive boost to our bowling also that Vijay shankar guy is a solid bat, happen to bowl upto late 130's can be the batting all rounder for us.
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Have only watched Basil bowl in the 140s in t20s. Even Vinay can bowl at that pace in t20s.
 
Vayuu said:
You are missing basil thamby,monu Kumar, Sandeep warrior and md.siraj as well ,mighty impressed with thamby, 6'2-6'3 balls upto avg speed of 140 with fastest 145 and that too on domestic speed guns, can easily be clocking upto150 ,good thing about him is he is a swing bowler, bowls a good line length, has a very good bouncer and Yorker also has a good slower ball as well and he is young, hope he is fast tracked sooner ,him, nathu,warrior ,aniket and kuldeep will give massive boost to our bowling also that Vijay shankar guy is a solid bat, happen to bowl upto late 130's can be the batting all rounder for us.
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Really? Sounds like a mixture of Hazlewood and Starc, can't wait to see him in action. :nehra
 
Good to see strong India A teams with a bunch of promising players rather than has-beens.

I would expect them to win this if it was a 4-day match.
 
Abdullah719 said:
Really? Sounds like a mixture of Hazlewood and Starc, can't wait to see him in action. :nehra
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Not joking bro,jeff Thomson thinks high of him, kid is from Kerala by the way along with warrior,just check his performance in on going syed mushtaq trophy, remember one sreesanth, how he had all the right tools gone for all the wrong reasons, but no one can deny his potential, guy looks good.
 
The good thing is since he is young can easily gain pace, that is why thommo said that Kerala can be the fast bowling crop of India.
 
Wow Bangla boys getting spanked by India d team. Good thing there is only one match in the tour. No one enjoys one sided demolitions
 
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The thing is slowly, but Indian cricket is realising the importance of fast bowling, especially kohli doesn't like compromise on pace factor, and wants his bowler to go full throttle and lots of effort has been put in to developing pace bowling culture ,which is heartening to see for an Indian fan, munaf by the way was all huffing after initial spell, trust me nathu, aniket,thamby are not
 
Vayuu said:
You are missing basil thamby,monu Kumar, Sandeep warrior and md.siraj as well ,mighty impressed with thamby, 6'2-6'3 balls upto avg speed of 140 with fastest 145 and that too on domestic speed guns, can easily be clocking upto150 ,good thing about him is he is a swing bowler, bowls a good line length, has a very good bouncer and Yorker also has a good slower ball as well and he is young, hope he is fast tracked sooner ,him, nathu,warrior ,aniket and kuldeep will give massive boost to our bowling also that Vijay shankar guy is a solid bat, happen to bowl upto late 130's can be the batting all rounder for us.
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Basil Thampi was averaging at 135km/h and Vijay shankar was bowling at 120s when I saw them.
 
Vayuu said:
The thing is slowly, but Indian cricket is realising the importance of fast bowling, especially kohli doesn't like compromise on pace factor, and wants his bowler to go full throttle and lots of effort has been put in to developing pace bowling culture ,which is heartening to see for an Indian fan, munaf by the way was all huffing after initial spell, trust me nathu, aniket,thamby are not
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He also likes spinners that turn the ball, loved his willingness to go with 2 Leggies/Wrist spinners. Good luck going after 8 out of 20 overs attacking wrist spinners.
 
Thivagar said:
Basil Thampi was averaging at 135km/h and Vijay shankar was bowling at 120s when I saw them.
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Thamby has bowled lots of bowl at 137-140 on domestic speed guns with fastest at 145,now you and I both know that the domestic speed guns show speed 4-5 k's slower also Vijay shankar is a batting allrounder, it isnt about speed it's about the the role he provides, he can touch 130's ,on local speed guns
 
Thivagar said:
He also likes spinners that turn the ball, loved his willingness to go with 2 Leggies/Wrist spinners. Good luck going after 8 out of 20 overs attacking wrist spinners.
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Plus kuldeep has variety, guy has a beautiful wrong'un, Flipper, slider, skidder, top spinner, got good control and is a very handy bat as well.
 
Vayuu said:
Thamby has bowled lots of bowl at 137-140 on domestic speed guns with fastest at 145,now you and I both know that the domestic speed guns show speed 4-5 k's slower also Vijay shankar is a batting allrounder, it isnt about speed it's about the the role he provides, he can touch 130's ,on local speed guns
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t20s are not a good indicator of a bowlers avg speed. Let him bowl atleast in a 50 over game & see if he can bowl at the same speeds in the final spell.
 
Signs are not good. Shreyas iyer often falters at 30 or 40. He is now 100 at a strike rate over 100. Not even 40 overs already 200 runs. My guess this is a good batting surface which Bangla batsmen failed to capitalize on. They are still carry "proving a point to others" mentality. Only way they can be a decent test side is by being patient when needed. Even after 18 years they are treated as minnows at Test level. THey have more exposure than SL had in the 80s or zimbabwe in the 90s. But they progressed at a much faster rate.
 
Disappointing to see mehedi Hasan getting spanked... I thought he was a good bowler
 
Nil Dhumrojal said:
This d team can replace current test team with 1 or 2 changes.
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Against Bangladesh, but vs Aus we'll need wholesale changes especially pace bowling, the (in-form) spinners are still too good for non SC sides.
Ankit007 said:
Disappointing to see mehedi Hasan getting spanked... I thought he was a good bowler
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They're always good against Eng/Aus/NZ et al, the real test always comes against SC teams.
 
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Ind a should declare after making 150 runs lead quickly and then try to bowl ban out..
 
Meanwhile England U19 have got an absolute mullering at the hands of India U19 at Mumbai...
 
R0H1T said:
Against Bangladesh, but vs Aus we'll need wholesale changes especially pace bowling, the (in-form) spinners are still too good for non SC sides.They're always good against Eng/Aus/NZ et al, the real test always comes against SC teams.
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Actual fact is inverse.
 
Ankit007 said:
Disappointing to see mehedi Hasan getting spanked... I thought he was a good bowler
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R0H1T said:
They're always good against Eng/Aus/NZ et al, the real test always comes against SC teams.
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While this is just one off game which can't be used to judge accurately, I won't be surprised if this continues.

Mehdi deliveries don't have the life that someone like Shakib has. Sometimes he can be a bit short which makes it easy to work him around. That's the reason why I feel he is quite a way from being a developed bowler (he is just 19 years of age).

But with that being said, when the pitch turns, this guy is able to pick bucket loads of wickets which shows that he knows how to get bats out (Shakib himself couldn't match him). So if Indian game is played on turners, I wouldn't write Mehdi off completely and would be interested to see how he fares.

In tracks that don't turn, Mehdi is going to find it super hard.

In the current game, Jayant Yadav was spanked around a bit too (he has a similar problem with his deliveries not having the sufficient life) plus Nadeem and Kuldeep picked just a wicket.
 
Nice to see Iyer hit a quick 100. At 22, he looks to be the one who can be a superstar across all formats for us. Perhaps another 6-8 months away from developing as a complete batsman ready for international cricket.

Waiting to see how Pant/Kishan bat, hopefully India bat on for the entire day :)
 
Ellipsism said:
Product of the Bangladeshi Hype Machine just like the Fizz.
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You can't expect a team do any good who never played there in 17 years. Most aus,eng players, even nz players have lot(2/3 series or 10-20 match) of experiences playing there (still lose brutally 5-0) and 0 experience of any single bd players.let bd play 2/3 series(or 6-12 matches) at least and after that if they don't do well then criticize them.
It's not our hyping but what you are trying is over criticising bd without practical sense of what bd facing from the moment they got test status. They never got proper chances but everyone want them doing miracle.
 
Pant is out 19 (11), 2 4s and a six :(

Wasted opportunity.


Upto Kishan to use this chance well , should look at scoring at least a 50-60
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
While this is just one off game which can't be used to judge accurately, I won't be surprised if this continues.

Mehdi deliveries don't have the life that someone like Shakib has. Sometimes he can be a bit short which makes it easy to work him around. That's the reason why I feel he is quite a way from being a developed bowler (he is just 19 years of age).

But with that being said, when the pitch turns, this guy is able to pick bucket loads of wickets which shows that he knows how to get bats out (Shakib himself couldn't match him). So if Indian game is played on turners, I wouldn't write Mehdi off completely and would be interested to see how he fares.

In tracks that don't turn, Mehdi is going to find it super hard.

In the current game, Jayant Yadav was spanked around a bit too (he has a similar problem with his deliveries not having the sufficient life) plus Nadeem and Kuldeep picked just a wicket.
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You really understand the game,cricket buddy.
 
Pandya gone too. Can't bat can't bowl all rounder (especially in fc). Collapse on.
 
They are trying to get a lead big enough and early enough so that they can put a dent on Ban confidence when they bat. Especially Ban loses wickets
 
Very disappointed with Bangladesh's performance in this match. I really want Bangladesh to do well but they're losing to a couple of nobody's here.
 
Vijay Shankar has taken his opportunity nicely here with a brilliant hundred at no.8.

He has the potential to become a good all rounder for India in test cricket but needs to increase his pace a bit and improve his bowling. As it is, he is a batting all rounder but we aren't short of batsmen at the moment. We need a good (seam) bowling all rounder desperately especially in our overseas tours. I would still go with Pandya atm (the failure in this match notwithstanding). It's a dead pitch this and he has been a bit disappointing with the ball. Although he will still be my first choice seam bowling AR for our tour of South Africa.
 
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Kuldeep has a higher ceiling than every spinner in India from what I have heard.
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Just heard, you haven't seen him bowl? For what I've seen he's easily the best "spinner" in the country, his accuracy & consistency will decide how glorious a career he'd have in the future, especially tests.
 
India A scored 460 in 90 overs? :O

Bdesh can lose this 3 day warm up match now as 1 more full day is left. Looks like they took India A side casually!
 
AamchiMumbaikar said:
India A scored 460 in 90 overs? :O

Bdesh can lose this 3 day warm up match now as 1 more full day is left. Looks like they took India A side casually!
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It's just a 2 day game, there's also just the 2 day gap between now & the real test.
 
AamchiMumbaikar said:
Okay my bad. India A should have declared early then.
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Why, I think they should've piled on even more runs.
There was no chance of a result here, Jayant & Vijay or even Kuldeep could've had more batting practice.
 
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street cricketer said:
Takes wickets the moment he comes on to bowl. There is none of the containing stuff. Pure wicket taker especially in LOIs.
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don't know much about chinaman bowling but shouldn't he be able of bowling flippers & dart them in like jaddu ?
 
R0H1T said:
Just heard, you haven't seen him bowl? For what I've seen he's easily the best "spinner" in the country, his accuracy & consistency will decide how glorious a career he'd have in the future, especially tests.
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Of course I have seen him bowl.

But not see him in full flow especially in test style bowling. From what little I have seen, he hasn't shown me he gets those stunning flight, dip and drift that is needed to succeed in test cricket but to be fair, I have seen him only in LOI where that style of bowling is generally not used.

But I am willing to take others word reg him for test cricket.

But I haven't seen stuff like Harmeet Singh showed in U19 WC.

I would love if someone could point me to such clips of Kuldeep.
 
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sensible-indian-fan said:
Of course I have seen him bowl.

But not see him in full flow especially in test style bowling. From what little I have seen, he hasn't shown me he gets those stunning flight, dip and drift that is needed to succeed in test cricket but to be fair, I have seen him only in LOI where that style of bowling is generally not used.

But I am willing to take others word reg him for test cricket.

But I haven't seen stuff like Harmeet Singh showed in U19 WC.

I would love if someone could point me to such clips of Kuldeep.
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The day night Duleep trophy matches of last year, he looked "fairly" good in them. The flight/dip/drift thing is overblown, especially these days when players barely know how to handle an average spinner, on a deteriorating track, let alone someone who can bowl huge leg breaks. It worked for Kumble, with his accuracy, Kuldeep should he get more accurate & consistent would be a lot more dangerous than even Kumble in this day & age of DRS. If Kumble was playing today he could've easily had record hauls in India.
 
Test squad Virat Kohli (capt), M Vijay, KL Rahul, Cheteshwar Pujara, Ajinkya Rahane, Karun Nair, Wriddhiman Saha (wk), R Ashwin, Ravindra Jadeja, Jayant Yadav, Umesh Yadav, Ishant Sharma, Bhuvneshwar Kumar, Amit Mishra, Abhinav Mukund, Hardik Pandya

Seems pretty strange to pick a 16 man squad for 1 test and AT home.

Anyway I think the side pretty much picks itself up, Nair will feel hard done by but Rahane has to be back in the side.

However I'd like to see us play Mishra instead of Jayant. a) because we don't need the batting depth vs Bangladesh and b) use this test as a warm up for Australia and I think Jayant is not really a 3rd spinning option, he's a batsman who can bowl.
 
R0H1T said:
The day night Duleep trophy matches of last year, he looked "fairly" good in them. The flight/dip/drift thing is overblown, especially these days when players barely know how to handle an average spinner, on a deteriorating track, let alone someone who can bowl huge leg breaks. It worked for Kumble, with his accuracy, Kuldeep should he get more accurate & consistent would be a lot more dangerous than even Kumble in this day & age of DRS. If Kumble was playing today he could've easily had record hauls in India.
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Don't see how flight, dip and drift is over-rated. In overseas pitches where turn is minimal, you need all the weapons to make it work. Kumble as good as he was did struggle overseas (outside Asia) by and large.

Can Kuldeep turn the ball big in every pitch so for his flight/drift/dip to not matter?

Don't think so.

Many who have watched Kuldeep have raved about his ceiling so I think its perfectly reasonable to expect that he has something in there that I haven't yet seen.

From what I have seen uptil now:

1. He seems to be attacking wicket taking spinner
2. Turns it both ways (very useful trait in LOI)
3. Flights it well
 
Swanny said:
don't know much about chinaman bowling but shouldn't he be able of bowling flippers & dart them in like jaddu ?
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I meant he is more of a bowler who picks wickets through variations and clever bowling rather than bowling tight stuff and picking wickets by building pressure. Not saying he leaks runs. He is a genuine wicket taker in the Ashwin mould. Will probably become our best LOI spinner if he plays.
 
street cricketer said:
I meant he is more of a bowler who picks wickets through variations and clever bowling rather than bowling tight stuff and picking wickets by building pressure. Not saying he leaks runs. He is a genuine wicket taker in the Ashwin mould. Will probably become our best LOI spinner if he plays.
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His record is rather modest at domestic level though.
 
Mishra is an AWFUL test bowler unless the pitch really turns.

Even in LOIs, I have my reservations reg him when he plays on real pattas like the India-Eng ODI series.

Jayant on the other hand, gives super solidity to our batting.

Time to move on from Mishy boy in tests though he needs to be given chances in ODIs and T20s.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Don't see how flight, dip and drift is over-rated. In overseas pitches where turn is minimal, you need all the weapons to make it work. Kumble as good as he was did struggle overseas (outside Asia) by and large.

Can Kuldeep turn the ball big in every pitch so for his flight/drift/dip to not matter?

Don't think so.

Many who have watched Kuldeep have raved about his ceiling so I think its perfectly reasonable to expect that he has something in there that I haven't yet seen.

From what I have seen uptil now:

1. He seems to be attacking wicket taking spinner
2. Turns it both ways (very useful trait in LOI)
3. Flights it well
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Kuldeep already has something which Kumble didn't, turn & big turn at times. Batters these days rarely leave their crease & the preferred mode of dismissal is lbw/bowled for most spinners, even outside of Asia.

By being accurate he could induce more false strokes, he has to keep it relatively tight though. Too much reliance on flight would mean that he's prone to being slogged out of the attack. Unless the length & line is spot on he could be slogged in front of the wicket (both sides) as well as be vulnerable to the sweep, or reverse sweep. Have you seen Kumble's tour of Aus in 2003/04 & that ought be the template for Kuldeep in Aus? With Eng, NZ & SA it's a bit different but IMO beating opposition batters with flight is a losing battle, especially outside Asia, with the overly flat pitches we see these days. Accuracy & consistency is much, much more important, so is keeping it tight.
 
Kaiser_Soze said:
His record is rather modest at domestic level though.
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He is more of an LOI bowler than a test bowler.

His problem is that he turns the ball into the right hander despite being a wrist spinner. Not many offies are successful in world cricket nowadays (especially on flat pitches) unless they have great flight, loop and dip to deceive the batsman in the air. Also have heard he has played on some flat pitches in the Ranji trophy especially this season. I do think he is not a 33 averaging bowler in the longer format like his fc stats indicate.

Anyway I think he should play in our LOI teams. He can play as the third bowler competing with Jayant in the long format. I think he can play as the 2nd spinner overseas if ever Ashwin or Jadeja gets injured/rested. Being a wrist spinner, he probably will get more zip from unhelpful tracks than Jayant. Also is a reliable batsman, not as good as Jayant but certainly better than Mishraji.
 
ExpressPacer said:
Very disappointed with Bangladesh's performance in this match. I really want Bangladesh to do well but they're losing to a couple of nobody's here.
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Bangladesh always do very bad with every practice match irrespective oppositions(whether they are good or very bad). If you see the record ,They always do much better in the main match/series/tournament than the practice matches.
Bangladeshis (along with me) will be hoping that it repeats again :D

Our team just came from a long tour with 4 injured players.Still they were not 100% fit. Others have minor injuries too.I believe The team was cautious not to get any more injury before the main event. There is sl tour ahead . Mustafiz was left to be fit for sl tour. I think that's why bd team did not give their 100% effort due to above stated reasons. Anyone can disagree with me but I think what everyone thinking about how bad Bangladesh will do against India based upon this match result,won't do bad like this. I think and hope Bangladesh will do much better in the test against india.
 
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