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Rain nay sara maza harab kar diya. What are India's chances with short match?
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
He was the best batsman cos conditions make him so.

Dhoni can only play innings like this, perth, etc.

He can't smash so in 95% of ODIs he will be a liability.

He needs to go bro.

So does Rahane, Rayudu, Jaddu, etc.

We ahve to play 7 batsmen with 2 Ars (who are good at batting) and 4 bowlers (and Jaddu, Axar can fight for spots there).
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You need this type of batsman too.No one else seems to do it.Plus his strike rotation is still excellent.Hes not a finisher anymore but can be good in middle order.

We don't have allrounders,only bits and pieces.
 
Sherlock said:
Only a matter of time before Dhoni is forced to quit ODIs, in my opinion.

Shame really because India are one of the top 3 sides because of his captaincy. But time stops for no-one.
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His time has passed.

He is a burden now not just for India but even his IPL team CSK.

Atrocious captaincy, stubborness et all this year.
 
Wow Rain Saves INDIA As a Pakistani I wanted them to lose couldn't care about our team qualifying for champions Trophy we own test cricket ATM.
 
Nothing I love more than Bangladesh smashing the ultra arrogant Indians

InshAllah Bangladesh will win this and take the series lead 2-0 :yahoo:yahoo:yahoo:
 
Saurav said:
He was damn good in WC.Everyone praised his captaincy.Its just 1.5 ODIs since then
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His captaincy in CSK was shambles barring some brilliance here and there.

His stubborness in team selection over the years cannot be taken more now.

We made 3 changes today cos we were **** scared of Bangladesh or else Dhoni might have gone for the same team.

As a batsman, Dhoni has no place in modern ODI. Such games are rarity. We can't have slow accumulators for such games. Give chance to others and if they fail, give to some other.

Got to move on.
 
Back to back commanding performance this from BD bowlers.

Team's core is made up of some really exciting talents. Mustafizur, Taskin, Litton, Sabbir, and Soumya sure seems to have huge potential to achieve great many things for BD in the coming days/months/years at Limited overs cricket.

3-0 banglawash looks imminent for India.
 
For India, yet again our batsmen looked clueless against cutters and slow bowling of BD. Kohli has regressed to a great extent over the last few months. Less said is better about Rohit's consistency or inclusion of player of the caliber(?) of Rayudu (would have preferred binny in his place).
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
His captaincy in CSK was shambles barring some brilliance here and there.

His stubborness in team selection over the years cannot be taken more now.

We made 3 changes today cos we were **** scared of Bangladesh or else Dhoni might have gone for the same team.

As a batsman, Dhoni has no place in modern ODI. Such games are rarity. We can't have slow accumulators for such games. Give chance to others and if they fail, give to some other.

Got to move on.
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He was never that good in T20.I am talking ODIs

Dont confuse his captaincy in other formats.

lol when we lost he changed team.In WC we were winning hence same team stayed even though some were not performing.

Even in WC he had good SR.He can hit big once set like he did vs Zim.On pattas hes least of our problems if he bats at 4.

Anyway wholesale changes are not needed.First replace Rayudu and Rahane.Then we can see if this continues
 
RAIN comes to the rescue for the Indians. But dont worry there's a reserve day.
 
Saurav said:
He was never that good in T20.I am talking ODIs

Dont confuse his captaincy in other formats.

lol when we lost he changed team.In WC we were winning hence same team stayed even though some were not performing.

Even in WC he had good SR.He can hit big once set like he did vs Zim. On pattas hes least of our problems if he bats at 4.

Anyway wholesale changes are not needed.First replace Rayudu and Rahane.Then we can see if this continues
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If you really believe Dhoni can do good stuff with the bat, then what I can say bro.

One last series on a proper patta and we will clearly know that he is past it.
 
Ashwin, Raina, Kohli, Dhawan, Rohit are the only players in current Indian side will get into our current side simply based on form. Tells you about India's team selection and Bangladesh's rise.

And before bringing up binny lets remember that he is just another average Indian player who got us rolled over last year, on a minefiled and off-form side
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
If you really believe Dhoni can do good stuff with the bat, then what I can say bro.

One last series on a proper patta and we will clearly know that he is past it.
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lets see.I am not saying hes good finisher now.But at 4 I expect him to do well.

Kohli is more of a concern for me(though just form issue ofcourse)
 
Executioner said:
Ashwin, Raina, Kohli, Dhawan, Rohit are the only players in current Indian side will get into our current side simply based on form. Tells you about India's team selection and Bangladesh's rise.

And before bringing up binny lets remember that he is just another average Indian player who got us rolled over last year, on a minefiled and off-form side
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I think Dhoni is still slightly better than Mushfiq.
 
Best thing Dhoni can do right now is step away from cricket for 6 months, all those years grinding has taken its toll
 
Abhilash93 said:
I think Dhoni is still slightly better than Mushfiq.
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Not on given form though as a batsman. Mushfiq averaging about 43 for a while, Dhoni has struggled.

But ofcourse, Dhoni the keeper is far far superior than Mushfiq.
 
If by any chance there's no play today, there's a reserve day tomorrow. Via CricInfo.
 
Raina Wicket - Mustafizur.

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You know you're doing something right when so many people are pleased to see you fall :D
 
It was time for an
inspection but the rain is
back with a vengeance.
This delay might last
longer. We will start
losing overs in 20 minutes time.
 
Will be a curtailed match. Good thing for Bangladesh is that not only are they chasing, they are chasing a small total. Players probably going to take their break soon. Match will be between 25-30 overs. And India has 3 spinners as opposed to 2 seamers. Playing on a wet outfield is difficult as the ball skids on and difficult to grip for the spinners
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
He was the best batsman cos conditions make him so.

Dhoni can only play innings like this, perth, etc.

He can't smash so in 95% of ODIs he will be a liability.

He needs to go bro.

So does Rahane, Rayudu, Jaddu, etc.

We ahve to play 7 batsmen with 2 Ars (who are good at batting) and 4 bowlers (and Jaddu, Axar can fight for spots there).
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Dhoni retired from test matches so the workload on him will be lesser. I think Dhoni will bounce back. He may not be the old Dhoni we were used to, but he will be better than any replacements for the next 2-3 years at least. Moreover, Dhoni seems to be having non cricketing issues (like investigation by BCCI) which may be affecting his game at the moment.
 
IndianWillow said:
Dhoni retired from test matches so the workload on him will be lesser. I think Dhoni will bounce back. He may not be the old Dhoni we were used to, but he will be better than any replacements for the next 2-3 years at least. Moreover, Dhoni seems to be having non cricketing issues (like investigation by BCCI) which may be affecting his game at the moment.
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Accept it bro dhoni has been found out now :yk
 
IndianWillow said:
Dhoni retired from test matches so the workload on him will be lesser. I think Dhoni will bounce back. He may not be the old Dhoni we were used to, but he will be better than any replacements for the next 2-3 years at least. Moreover, Dhoni seems to be having non cricketing issues (like investigation by BCCI) which may be affecting his game at the moment.
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That was false report,has been denied by BCCI.
 
I don't get it. The last person who needs to be criticized today is Dhoni. What use is batting quickly if you don't bat the full 50 overs? He, quite rightly was trying to preserve wickets after the poor performance of the top order so that Jadeja, Axar and he himself could have licence to launch for a big surge in last 10 overs.
 
avidlearner said:
For India, yet again our batsmen looked clueless against cutters and slow bowling of BD. Kohli has regressed to a great extent over the last few months. Less said is better about Rohit's consistency or inclusion of player of the caliber(?) of Rayudu (would have preferred binny in his place).
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Rohit has actually been incredibly consistent. Just look at his last 10 or 15 scores if you don't believe me.

You can't just hate a guy, have the knife in every single time he isn't godlike and then pretend you're being objective. Rohit's form is nothing short of spectacular in real life.

Meanwhile in purist land where Rohit is the enemy and Rahane is god....
 
WrexEverything said:
I don't get it. The last person who needs to be criticized today is Dhoni. What use is batting quickly if you don't bat the full 50 overs? He, quite rightly was trying to preserve wickets after the poor performance of the top order so that Jadeja, Axar and he himself could have licence to launch for a big surge in last 10 overs.
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Yep. I guess the folks here would be happy with a 0(1) from Dhoni today compared to 47(70). Dhoni and Raina were trying to revive the innings and just before Raina's dismissal India looked good for 250+. If Dhoni and Raina had thrown their bats around and lost their wickets, India would have struggled to get 150 today.

India hasn't found a way to answer Mustaf yet (they can't read his action yet), and they will have to tough it out in the middle till they figure him out. Whenever a good new bowler comes along, life becomes difficult for the opposition. When Hirwani came along, the famed WI lineup comprising Haynes, Richardson, Richards and others had absolutely no answer for him and they fell like nine pins. But Hirwani's purple patch did not last very long. Let us wait and see how Mustafizur evolves from here.
 
15 mins till game resume. India will bat but not sure how many overs will be lost.
 
BD should win this match and series. great job by Desh.
 
IndianWillow said:
Yep. I guess the folks here would be happy with a 0(1) from Dhoni today compared to 47(70). Dhoni and Raina were trying to revive the innings and just before Raina's dismissal India looked good for 250+. If Dhoni and Raina had thrown their bats around and lost their wickets, India would have struggled to get 150 today.

India hasn't found a way to answer Mustaf yet (they can't read his action yet), and they will have to tough it out in the middle till they figure him out. Whenever a good new bowler comes along, life becomes difficult for the opposition. When Hirwani came along, the famed WI lineup comprising Haynes, Richardson, Richards and others had absolutely no answer for him and they fell like nine pins. But Hirwani's purple patch did not last very long. Let us wait and see how Mustafizur evolves from here.
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The issue this logic just refuses to address is the reality that neither 250 nor 210 was going to be anywhere near enough.

In the first place, everyone could have batted differently if Dhoni didn't eat up 70 balls. Secondly, he ate up easy deliveries, it's not like it was unplayable Mustafizur he was blocking. It was NASIR HOSSAIN for heaven's sake.

The difference you just don't get is if Dhoni and Raina threw it around and that came off, we would have 300+. That would be a match-winning score.

I don't care much about WIN-BIGGER and LOSE-SMALLER, the kind of effort that magnifies margins when you're winning and makes a loss respectable when you're losing. I'm interested in efforts that will take some games from the loss or neutral column and put them in the winning column.
 
There you go. Didn't even bat 50 (47) overs. People blaming Dhoni have no concept of pacing in ODI batting when you've lost wickets. You can't go at 100 SR all through the innings you fools. You have to make preserving wickets a priority for some overs like Dhoni did. The fact that he got out before the final acceleration was disappointing, but blaming him for batting "slow" when we haven't even batted the full quota of overs is utterly pointless.

Plus, if we hadn't been bowled out, our total would have been adjusted upwards to a slightly bigger target. Now, because we're allout, BD will chase without any upward adjustment of the target.
 
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sensible-indian-fan said:
He was the best batsman cos conditions make him so.

Dhoni can only play innings like this, perth, etc.

He can't smash so in 95% of ODIs he will be a liability.

He needs to go bro.

So does Rahane, Rayudu, Jaddu, etc.

We ahve to play 7 batsmen with 2 Ars (who are good at batting) and 4 bowlers (and Jaddu, Axar can fight for spots there).
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Dont go over-board. we need to have atleast one quality batsman,who can a play an anchoring role, when required. And we dont have a quality wicket keeper batsman right now, to replace Dhoni.

I am totally miffed with this IPL thing. why this league is there? Can't give us a good mystery bowler, can't give us a hard hitter. What it is for? For entertainment we have international cricket too! Before IPL we used to have a great talent pool of batsman. Now nothing! Terrible league which should be scrapped as soon as possible.
 
CricketAnalyst said:
The issue this logic just refuses to address is the reality that neither 250 nor 210 was going to be anywhere near enough.

In the first place, everyone could have batted differently if Dhoni didn't eat up 70 balls. Secondly, he ate up easy deliveries, it's not like it was unplayable Mustafizur he was blocking. It was NASIR HOSSAIN for heaven's sake.

The difference you just don't get is if Dhoni and Raina threw it around and that came off, we would have 300+. That would be a match-winning score.

I don't care much about WIN-BIGGER and LOSE-SMALLER, the kind of effort that magnifies margins when you're winning and makes a loss respectable when you're losing. I'm interested in efforts that will take some games from the loss or neutral column and put them in the winning column.
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Its all about giving yourself best chance.250 can also be defended.But 150 cant which is what was MORE LIKELY to happen if they threw their bat around.
 
By heart says india can defend 200, my head say bangladesh will smash india and will chase it in 30 overs ....Difficult to decide!
 
indian fans should recite Binny name. It might frightened the bangladeshi batsman.
 
WrexEverything said:
There you go. Didn't even bat 50 (47) overs. People blaming Dhoni have no concept of pacing in ODI batting when you've lost wickets. You can't go at 100 SR all through the innings you fools. You have to make preserving wickets a priority for some overs like Dhoni did. The fact that he got out before the final acceleration was disappointing, but blaming him for batting "slow" when we haven't even batted the full quota of overs is utterly pointless.

Plus, if we hadn't been bowled out, our total would have been adjusted upwards to a slightly bigger target. Now, because we're allout, BD will chase without any upward adjustment of the target.
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Bating 47 overs or 50 isn't a goal. Winning is.

Even 250 would not be close to enough here.

There is no difference if India had got 25 more. What we needed is an approach that could have got a challenging total.

If you are scraping to get a total that has some 25% chance of being defended, we are back in the mentality England had. Shameful that we are reduced to this against the Rank 7 team.
 
WrexEverything said:
I don't get it. The last person who needs to be criticized today is Dhoni. What use is batting quickly if you don't bat the full 50 overs? He, quite rightly was trying to preserve wickets after the poor performance of the top order so that Jadeja, Axar and he himself could have licence to launch for a big surge in last 10 overs.
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GOD.

The determining factor in W/L is how many runs you scored not how many balls you faced! There is no medal for facing 50 overs.
 
Saurav said:
Its all about giving yourself best chance.250 can also be defended.But 150 cant which is what was MORE LIKELY to happen if they threw their bat around.
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250 has a 15% chance of being defended. Rather than pray like that, do something that can get 280-300 and have real chance or being strongly favoured to win.

This logic of aiming for a barely semi-defensible score is loser logic.
 
CricketAnalyst said:
GOD.

The determining factor in W/L is how many runs you scored not how many balls you faced! There is no medal for facing 50 overs.
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Why don't you understand that it was more likely that India got a good total if they batted conservatively for a while and then accelerated at the end? If Dhoni just came in and started attacking even though the top order had batted poorly, there was a likelihood of him getting out as well. What if he'd got out for 15 (10)? Would you take that? With only the useless Jadeja and Axar behind him (not even counting Ashwin as a batsman in ODIs), we would have ended up with 150.

You have no idea of the percentages at play and when to attack.
 
CricketAnalyst said:
Bating 47 overs or 50 isn't a goal. Winning is.

Even 250 would not be close to enough here.

There is no difference if India had got 25 more. What we needed is an approach that could have got a challenging total.

If you are scraping to get a total that has some 25% chance of being defended, we are back in the mentality England had. Shameful that we are reduced to this against the Rank 7 team.
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Shameful is that after playing so much of ipl , we still play like this. And shameful is that, bangladesh having no IPL experience are much better than us, shows how rubbish that league is
 
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