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Bangladesh v India | 2nd ODI | Bangladesh won by 6 wickets

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The issue this logic just refuses to address is the reality that neither 250 nor 210 was going to be anywhere near enough.

In the first place, everyone could have batted differently if Dhoni didn't eat up 70 balls. Secondly, he ate up easy deliveries, it's not like it was unplayable Mustafizur he was blocking. It was NASIR HOSSAIN for heaven's sake.

The difference you just don't get is if Dhoni and Raina threw it around and that came off, we would have 300+. That would be a match-winning score.

I don't care much about WIN-BIGGER and LOSE-SMALLER, the kind of effort that magnifies margins when you're winning and makes a loss respectable when you're losing. I'm interested in efforts that will take some games from the loss or neutral column and put them in the winning column.

You are forgetting that team India is struggling at the moment and 300 is a tall order for them!!

There was about 5% chance of getting to 300 once we went four down - due to the combined effect of the series momentum factor (heavy loss in the first game), the mystery factor of Mustafizur and so on. Even Rohit, Kohli and Dhawan did not appear comfortable while they were at the crease - this wasn't the typical pitch where you can get 300 with eyes closed.

260-270 was a realistic target, which India could have achieved if they did not collapse in a heap towards the end. With that target India had a 50-50 chance to win. If they had lost quick wickets after Rayudu and got bowled out for 150 odd they would lose 10/10.
 
Target 200 instead of 201. Once again the calculations working in India's favor.
 
250 has a 15% chance of being defended. Rather than pray like that, do something that can get 280-300 and have real chance or being strongly favoured to win.

This logic of aiming for a barely semi-defensible score is loser logic.

Getting 300 from that position needs huge luck.There is far greater chance of getting bowled out of 150
 
Come on bangla fans where's your complaining about ICC working in India's favour. THAT WAS OUT!
 
Bating 47 overs or 50 isn't a goal. Winning is.

Even 250 would not be close to enough here.

There is no difference if India had got 25 more. What we needed is an approach that could have got a challenging total.

If you are scraping to get a total that has some 25% chance of being defended, we are back in the mentality England had. Shameful that we are reduced to this against the Rank 7 team.

Exactly. Rohit and Rayudu should have done better than to score ducks, in order for this to happen. The whole team should get the blame, what surprises me here is the calling for the head of Dhoni for not trying to get India to 300 after two top order batsmen got ducks. Once you are four down on a foreign tour where you are against the odds, sometimes you have to adopt conservative tactics to gradually regain control. When there is a high probability for getting bundled out cheaply (much higher than the probability to get 300), aggression is not the best approach.
 
Why don't you understand that it was more likely that India got a good total if they batted conservatively for a while and then accelerated at the end? If Dhoni just came in and started attacking even though the top order had batted poorly, there was a likelihood of him getting out as well. What if he'd got out for 15 (10)? Would you take that? With only the useless Jadeja and Axar behind him (not even counting Ashwin as a batsman in ODIs), we would have ended up with 150.

You have no idea of the percentages at play and when to attack.

They batted super conservatively throughout. You seem not to understand that careful play is no guarantee you won't be out, and as Bangla are showing slogging doesn't mean you will get out either.
 
They batted super conservatively throughout. You seem not to understand that careful play is no guarantee you won't be out, and as Bangla are showing slogging doesn't mean you will get out either.

Comparing it with Bangla's approach is stupid. Bangladesh have licence to go for it because the target is tiny. And it's tiny because we lost wickets. Rayudu and Rohit the culprits, not Dhoni.
 
Whats up with bowlers on both sides bowling around 110 - 115 kmh averages
 
Hilarious how much everyone is enjoying watching India lose. Do you guys seriously hate us that much? :yk
 
It would do India good if BD beat them 3-0, the rock stars will need to reinvent, all these players have been there for a long time and have taken things for granted.... It will be a good dose of reality check
 
Hilarious how much everyone is enjoying watching India lose. Do you guys seriously hate us that much? :yk

Its more the David vs Goliath or underdog syndrome. Although I don't think BD can be called underdogs in ODIs anymore.
 
Guys, you don't understand India's masterplan. If we let BD banglawash us, it makes it tougher for Pakistan to qualify for Champions Trophy. We think long term :yk
 
What an epic thrashing. The confidence and fearlessness of BD team has been awesome to watch. Mashrafe has taught Dhoni a proper lesson in modern day ODI captaincy. And our players could learn a thing or two from BD players about being hungry and motivated.

If Dhoni has any shame, he should quit captaincy after this match. He's a liability for any team that he plays in. If he doesnt resign, BCCI should sack him. Better to start rebuilding now than closer to Champions Trophy.
 
Sarkar > Tamim.

Also got run out thrice when batting with Tamim. Beware.
 
I think India should schedule a series with Zimbabwe to boost their morale. They're reaching minnow status via this series.

Looking at the way Zimbabwe played against Pakistan, I won't be surprised if they defeat us
 
250 has a 15% chance of being defended. Rather than pray like that, do something that can get 280-300 and have real chance or being strongly favoured to win.

This logic of aiming for a barely semi-defensible score is loser logic.

it's not stick cricket where you can slog slog even after 22nd wicket lost :kohli :sanga :mv
 
it's not stick cricket where you can slog slog even after 22nd wicket lost :kohli :sanga :mv

Bangla are doing it right from the beginning and they are winning.

Just see the reality; all around the sides that are slogging are winning and the ones that are trying to play sensibly are losing.
 
I still predict an Indian win. BD will suffer a major batting collapse after the 10th.
 
lol Kulkarni bowling at 69 kmh? I think the speed gun is broken.
 
Tamim Survivor.Was that Out? Can't really figure it out.

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Pathetic to watch our players celebrate, sharam karo yaar! They are equaling Bangladeshi celebrations :facepalm:
 
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