Bangladesh's underrated pace attack

[HitWicket]

Oh, and also not true about having the "best average when it comes to bowling department in the world" since the 2015 world cup. Overall they rock up after the UAE, Ireland, West Indies, Zimbabwe, Afghanistan, Scotland, Sri Lanka, Hong Kong, South Africa, Pakistan and Australia on that list.

 

[Abdullah719]

Oh, and also not true about having the "best average when it comes to bowling department in the world" since the 2015 world cup. Overall they rock up after the UAE, Ireland, West Indies, Zimbabwe, Afghanistan, Scotland, Sri Lanka, Hong Kong, South Africa, Pakistan and Australia on that list.

You might be looking at the wrong stats.

 

[Ian Pont]

The changes in BD pace bowling since 2010 are there for all to see.

It shows what can be done when successive coaches follow on with the promotion of pace. I thank Heath Streak for carrying on the good foundations we built back then.

Before September 2010, BD only wanted to play spin bowlers in their team

 

[HitWicket]

You might be looking at the wrong stats.

Ah crud, well I've made a fool of myself now haven't I .

 

[Abdullah719]

Ah crud, well I've made a fool of myself now haven't I .

Think you might've been confused by looking at batting stats instead.

 

[Ind_Yeah]

Heath Streak is a hell of a coach I hear. Was a quality player himself too. Zim was a competitive side in his times.

Who are the up and coming pacers from Bangladesh apart from Mustafiz?

 

[Anik Sharma]

Heath Streak is a hell of a coach I hear. Was a quality player himself too. Zim was a competitive side in his times.

Who are the up and coming pacers from Bangladesh apart from Mustafiz?

Rabbi - Superb line and length bowler
Saifuddin - Can be a good lower order bowling all-rounder
Ibadat - Recently he was picked from one pacer hunt program. He had the best score of pace. But too raw.

 

[GenericBrand]

Heath Streak is an underrated coach, excited to see how Walsh builds upon his successes

 

[Rayyman]

Last time I saw Rubel he was bowling short and wide. Last time I saw Taskin he was trundling around 80 mph.

 

[Prince_]

At the moment Bangla has easily the best pace attack from Asia followed by India, Afghanistan, Sri Lanka and Pakistan.

I've to say that the performance of their fast bowlers in last couple of years especially after the last odi world Cup is really admirable.


Right now Fizz is easily the best bowler in limited overs Cricket who has all the potentials to go down as one of the greatest fast bowlers in the history of cricket. Bowlers like taskin or rubel aren't that far behind either.

 

[Ellipsism]

At the moment Bangla has easily the best pace attack from Asia followed by India, Afghanistan, Sri Lanka and Pakistan.

I've to say that the performance of their fast bowlers in last couple of years especially after the last odi world Cup is really admirable.


Right now Fizz is easily the best bowler in limited overs Cricket who has all the potentials to go down as one of the greatest fast bowlers in the history of cricket. Bowlers like taskin or rubel aren't that far behind either.

Are you implying that the "Fizz" is better than Starc?

 

[Executioner]

delusions galore.

before you lose your mind and get all emotional please read what I wrote again. Afghanistan pace attack is better than Bangladesh...I did not say Afghanistan's bowling is better. This is a fact and you can get as emotional as you want and write pages on pages but what I said will remain true.

Our spin attack right now isn't special. So if Afg pace attack is better than ours then their bowling attack overall is better which was true in 2013-2014 but with Fizz and Taskin its different.

And every informed bangladesh fan accepts that chucking is a HUGE problem at the domestic cricket level in Bangladesh. Clubs lean heavily on left arm chuckers to win games and umpires look the other way. Why doesn't Imad Wasim get called? or Ravi Ashwin? Or Jadeja? Oh yes, because they are not Bangladesh - the most scary cricket team in the world, whose bowlers have to be feared and stopped by a ICC, else they would win everything in sight. Delusions ki bhi had hoti hai

I didn't complain about our offies being banned. None of our current offies are banned so I am not sure why you are assuming that I was complaining

 

[Executioner]

delusions galore.

before you lose your mind and get all emotional please read what I wrote again. Afghanistan pace attack is better than Bangladesh...I did not say Afghanistan's bowling is better. This is a fact and you can get as emotional as you want and write pages on pages but what I said will remain true.

Think you might've been confused by looking at batting stats instead.

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Pakistan is above SA

Actually, Pakistan's batting though one-dimensional hasn't been the problem. Pakistan don't collapse these days like they used to in the past. Bowling which was their real strength isn't as penetrative as it used to with Gul and JK in form and demolishing batting sides

 

[street cricketer]

I didn't complain about our offies being banned. None of our current offies are banned so I am not sure why you are assuming that I was complaining

Surely this looks like one..

"Unfortunately we are really lacking a quality offie or even a leggie but hard to find either one of them, the former because ICC will ban basically anyone who bowls this way(yet someone like bhajji goes unscathed)".

 

[Prince_]

How does that disprove any of what i said lol?

The New Zealand series was in 2013. South Africa and India both toured during the aforementioned peak months of Bangla cricket in 2015. I will give you the Asian cup but they also finished last in the Asian Cup in 2014 when it was in ODI format.

I've just shown u their gradual improvement in limited overs Cricket in last 4/5 years and still u r confused about how it disproves ur claim, lol.

Anyway, let me try again. What I'm saying is that ur claim about their recent ODI success is based on couple of months of good cricket is absolutely baseless because Bangla have been playing wonderfully well for last 2/3 years in LOIs and that's a fact.


They whitewashed newzealand in 2010, played Asia cup final in 2012, drawn 1-1 against Sri Lanka in 2013, then again whitewashed newzealand in 2013, went to quarter final in 2015 and hammered Pak, India, South Africa and Zimbabwe. Then again went to final of Asia cup in 2016(t20)


Perhaps this time u'll be able to see the trend here and how Bangla have been doing well in limited overs Cricket in last 3/4 years and hopefully u'll accept the fact that ur last post about that couple of months of good cricket was absolutely baseless.

 

[Executioner]

Surely this looks like one..

"Unfortunately we are really lacking a quality offie or even a leggie but hard to find either one of them, the former because ICC will ban basically anyone who bowls this way(yet someone like bhajji goes unscathed)".

Well as a young cricket nation our bowlers try to emulate bowlers from different countries, given our own lack of role models. Ajmal, Narine, Utseya, Senanayake are just a few example of offies being banned and this demotivates players not only in Bangladesh but elsewhere. Some basically become like Nasir hossain who literally rolls his arm over without ever spinning the ball. Ever since ICC has become even more strict, I have heard that a lot of offies have been focusing on other disciplines in domestics. That was my point.

Ind_yeah assumed that like most of my other countrymen I go about complaining about how ICC wishes to bring down our team for reasons like "jealousy" or what else. I still maintain a neutral stance about ICC and I am quite sure that ICC has made the right decision. i.e temporarily ban taskin and arafat sunny(former should be cleared soon and the latter was a blatant chuker anyways). I did complain about both being suspected in the middle of an ICC tournament and banned halfway through it. The blame goes to ICC's process but nothing to do with them singling out Bangladesh.

 

[street cricketer]

Well as a young cricket nation our bowlers try to emulate bowlers from different countries, given our own lack of role models. Ajmal, Narine, Utseya, Senanayake are just a few example of offies being banned and this demotivates players not only in Bangladesh but elsewhere. Some basically become like Nasir hossain who literally rolls his arm over without ever spinning the ball. Ever since ICC has become even more strict, I have heard that a lot of offies have been focusing on other disciplines in domestics. That was my point.

Ind_yeah assumed that like most of my other countrymen I go about complaining about how ICC wishes to bring down our team for reasons like "jealousy" or what else. I still maintain a neutral stance about ICC and I am quite sure that ICC has made the right decision. i.e temporarily ban taskin and arafat sunny(former should be cleared soon and the latter was a blatant chuker anyways). I did complain about both being suspected in the middle of an ICC tournament and banned halfway through it. The blame goes to ICC's process but nothing to do with them singling out Bangladesh.

Surely there are bowlers with legal actions to take as role models instead of the dodgy ones. Senanayke, Utseya lol.. There are bowlers like Ashwin, Lyon, Piedt, Swann and Botha in the past and plenty other offies with clean actions to take as role models. Even someone like Dilruwan Perrera is doing more than good for himself lately.

 

[Executioner]

Surely there are bowlers with legal actions to take as role models instead of the dodgy ones. Senanayke, Utseya lol.. There are bowlers like Ashwin, Lyon, Piedt, Swann and Botha in the past and plenty other offies with clean actions to take as role models.

Ashwin is the only one standing right now.

Not only role model, bowlers these days are discouraged in the fear of being banned. Still hope that we will finally produce a quality offie soon enough

 

[Prince_]

Are you implying that the "Fizz" is better than Starc?

Yes. But Starc too is an excellent bowler. He plays for a much more superior team which works as an added benefit for him. But if u consider Starc as the better one then I'll have no problem with that since both of them r almost equal in LOIs.

 

[street cricketer]

Ashwin is the only one standing right now.

Not only role model, bowlers these days are discouraged in the fear of being banned. Still hope that we will finally produce a quality offie soon enough

Bowlers are discouraged from bowling in dodgy actions. Have you ever seen a dodgy bowler coming from the county circuit or the Shield. It's because they have great monitoring programmes for bowlers and they weed out bowlers with dodgy actions very early.

 

[Executioner]

Bowlers are discouraged from bowling in dodgy actions. Have you ever seen a dodgy bowler coming from the county circuit or the Shield. It's because they have great monitoring programmes for bowlers and they weed out bowlers with dodgy actions very early.

Bangladesh is doing too these days. We are weeding out those with suspect actions these days. India also I believe

However the point you made about Australia is different in the sense that Australians are more severe about chucking than people here in the subcontinent.

India had Ojha banned, and I feel Bhajji chucks. Ashwin is clean though I feel he straightens around 10-12 degree with his carrom ball which is fine.

We had Gazi suspected and Sunny suspected and banned.

SL had senanayake banned and sure that if ICC was as strict as they are now Murali might have been under the radar.

Pakistan perhaps has had the worst of it. Losing Hafeez and Ajmal was a painful blow.

Now I obviously don't endorse chucking, but the sudden change in attitude of the ICC has put in the careers of many players in jeopardy. I wish ICC was always strict to begin with. Just goes to show what a circus ICC is and why Cricket will never be a global game. Someone might have chucked his way to world class but now with different policies someone at an age of 30 might get banned and ask to change his bowling action.

Remember this, some bowlers dont even realize the degree of their chucking

 

[Xeeebon]

Rabbi - Superb line and length bowler
Saifuddin - Can be a good lower order bowling all-rounder
Ibadat - Recently he was picked from one pacer hunt program. He had the best score of pace. But too raw.

Shuvashish Roy is another one...

 

[Anik Sharma]

Shuvashish Roy is another one...

Yeah..but he's already around 28. In Bangladesh cricket circumstance it's like 30. Generally we don't debut such old players..
He may get chance now but dont think he'll be potential pacer in our future plannings.

 

[bashar345]

Underrated?

What have they achieved exactly? Except for two series wins by the slimmest margins at home?

 

[Shutdown Corner]

Underrated?

What have they achieved exactly? Except for two series wins by the slimmest margins at home?

6 wicket, 9 wicket, 8 wicket, 80 run wins with 50-100 balls remaining in the chases aren't exactly "slim".

 

[Ellipsism]

Yes. But Starc too is an excellent bowler. He plays for a much more superior team which works as an added benefit for him. But if u consider Starc as the better one then I'll have no problem with that since both of them r almost equal in LOIs.

Starc is of ATG calibre, yet you're comparing Starc- a modern day great, to a guy whom has just started his career. Give Mustafizur some time, don't jump to conclusions from such a small sample size. Yes, he has started his career with a bang but you're hyping Mustafiz to the next level.

I will reserve my judgement on Mustafiz until after the CT.

 

[Executioner]

Even after Fizz's initial outburst I thought that he would eventually reach a plateau

However, he has impressed us all with his skill with yorkers and increased his pace in a space of a year so if he keeps on improving no reason why he can't become better than Starc.

But Starc right now is a sureshot ATG in terms of fast bowling.

 

[ethan hunt]

Bangladesh must announce themselves in test cricket in this series .
Perfect opportunity for them playing at home with all the talk of an ever improving side .
Time to take the next step . 17 years of test cricket has hardly yielded any results which is terribly dissapointing .
Bangladesh much like India before them have taken surprisingly long to be competitive considering the passion for the game .
I will keep an eye on the pace attack . Dont particularly think its that good though .

 

[Xeeebon]

They're way better than us, I'll tell you that much.

Not really...currently little better than u, u can tell...mustafiz is the difference...individually not so good but as unit they are very good.... but will be good individually in future I hope...

 

[Shutdown Corner]

Bangladesh must announce themselves in test cricket in this series .
Perfect opportunity for them playing at home with all the talk of an ever improving side .
Time to take the next step . 17 years of test cricket has hardly yielded any results which is terribly dissapointing .
Bangladesh much like India before them have taken surprisingly long to be competitive considering the passion for the game .
I will keep an eye on the pace attack . Dont particularly think its that good though .

Mustafiz is out of the Test series...in fact he may not play till the Tests in SL in March 2017. Fingers crossed he can somehow make it for the NZ tests but highly doubtful. But with his accuracy, pace, and reverse swing he will be a good Test bowler. If he can swing the new ball - and we don't yet know for a fact that he cannot - he will be a superb Test bowler.

But with the Fizz out, our bowling in tests will have to be spin centric.

 

[Xeeebon]

Bangladesh must announce themselves in test cricket in this series .
Perfect opportunity for them playing at home with all the talk of an ever improving side .
Time to take the next step . 17 years of test cricket has hardly yielded any results which is terribly dissapointing .
Bangladesh much like India before them have taken surprisingly long to be competitive considering the passion for the game .
I will keep an eye on the pace attack . Dont particularly think its that good though .

We don't have test bowlers though we are getting better in test batting.Once we have proper atleast two/three test bowlers we can compete in test too.till we have to wait...

 

[Slog]

For ODIs in particular they are assembling a very talented and skilled pace bowling attack.
The attack is:

Mashrafe Mortaza - 31 years old and averaged of 31
Rubel Hossain - 25 years old average of 32
Taskin Ahmed - 20 year old with avg of 26
Mustafizur Rehman - 19 yr old with an avg of 9 (ofcourse will go up)

But these are 4 very talented bowlers with Mashrafe a proven performer and a senior statesman of the side and bowling attack.

Rubel had a good WC and seems to be a good option

Taskin I am impressed by and is very young right now so can improve leaps and bound

And Mustafizur has taken intl cricket by storm.

So a very young bowling attack and if they keep on improving they can def go on to become one of the top pace batteries in int'l cricket.

safe to say these guys haven't fulfilled expectations...

 

[sweep_shot]

safe to say these guys haven't fulfilled expectations...

Yup. They flopped big time.

There were some promises but they regressed over the last few years.

Injuries played a factor too.