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I don't consider the US to be an advanced economy. It's very much an economy based upon immigrants and an underclass working huge hours for hourly wages which would be illegal in England, Australia or New Zealand, not to mention getting less than half as much paid annual leave.

Targeting a sporting event at those low paid immigrants who work endless hours seems to me like a terrible idea.

My opinion differs. We have an excellent work culture. It allows anyone to thrive and succeed in what they want to do. It is up to each every individual on what he/she wants to do and how much of their time that they want to dedicate to it. I can say that the results are there to see.

Some of the biggest tech companies (the current "it" thing) are right here - Google, Apple, Microsoft, Facebook, Oracle, Twitter etc, etc. All these companies were founded by individuals who were able create great products and succeed because of the work environment or how things are setup here.

Sure there are people who have more and people with less working flipping burgers and earning minimum wage. But in our set up that minimum wage worker can be successful in other fields. They just have to apply themselves. They just have to realize that burger flipping is not a career.
 
it was a new idea so obviously the initial buzz created records.. In future the ratings will recline when people get used to it..

Secondly the ratings were high in Australia.. But unless anything related to cricket becomes successful in India it is not actually a success.. I'm not sure about current numbers but 7-8 years back there was a report saying 70% money in cricket is in India.. So yea like I said if anything has to be successful in cricket Indian audience needs to accept it coz the real money is there..

And now we disagree.

Most of the money in world cricket comes from Indian TV - although that will change after today's Supreme Court verdict gave free-to-air coverage to Prasar Bharati.

But European football does just fine without money from the USA, as does world rugby.

Yes, there is more money in India.

But an Aussie or Kiwi or white South African kid who is good at sport doesn't weigh up a career in cricket according to the money available in India. He realises that the money available locally is competitive with rugby or rugby league or AFL and that makes cricket a viable option.
 
My opinion differs. We have an excellent work culture. It allows anyone to thrive and succeed in what they want to do. It is up to each every individual on what he/she wants to do and how much of their time that they want to dedicate to it. I can say that the results are there to see.

Some of the biggest tech companies (the current "it" thing) are right here - Google, Apple, Microsoft, Facebook, Oracle, Twitter etc, etc. All these companies were founded by individuals who were able create great products and succeed because of the work environment or how things are setup here.

Sure there are people who have more and people with less working flipping burgers and earning minimum wage. But in our set up that minimum wage worker can be successful in other fields. They just have to apply themselves. They just have to realize that burger flipping is not a career.

But in America unskilled people who work 40 hours per week flipping burgers also work 40 hours at Wal-Mart or cleaning floors. And getting an education costs money, and not everyone is smart enough.

I'm not debating which model is right or wrong. I'm saying that a Samoan immigrant in New Zealand has far more time and money to consume sport than an Indian immigrant in the USA does.

And as such, expanding cricket into the USA is a terrible idea, because the native market already has summer sports and the Indian migrants are too busy working to consume the product.
 
But it is a fact that Americans have a much lower minimum wage, people working multiple jobs and get less annual vacation time than people in other advanced countries. Do you dispute that?

And Major League Soccer has seen that those economic strictures which affect immigrants make it very hard for foreign sports to thrive in the USA.

You are absolutely right on both points. But that is one section of people with minimum wage. We are a country of 300+ million people. There are plenty of successful people with plenty of disposable income. Which is why anyone making a product would want to target the American market.

And yes Cricket, Soccer, Rugby will never catch on here outside of a few exhibition games.
 
And now we disagree.

Most of the money in world cricket comes from Indian TV - although that will change after today's Supreme Court verdict gave free-to-air coverage to Prasar Bharati.

But European football does just fine without money from the USA, as does world rugby.

Yes, there is more money in India.

But an Aussie or Kiwi or white South African kid who is good at sport doesn't weigh up a career in cricket according to the money available in India. He realises that the money available locally is competitive with rugby or rugby league or AFL and that makes cricket a viable option.

Lol! this is unreal

http://www.bdlive.co.za/opinion/col...head-as-he-picks-county-skills-over-ipl-flash
 
And now we disagree.

Most of the money in world cricket comes from Indian TV - although that will change after today's Supreme Court verdict gave free-to-air coverage to Prasar Bharati.

But European football does just fine without money from the USA, as does world rugby.

Yes, there is more money in India.

But an Aussie or Kiwi or white South African kid who is good at sport doesn't weigh up a career in cricket according to the money available in India. He realises that the money available locally is competitive with rugby or rugby league or AFL and that makes cricket a viable option.

That's fine but isn't it like ICC pays the South African board money and CSA pays the first class fees to cricketers.. So indirectly that money has been generated by Indian audiences?? similarly playing India in a series generate more money for Any nation excluding ashes probably?

Anyways I think I'm diverting from the point, you are right as long public is interested in tests in australia/England it will be survive... Not going to argue that but my initial point was about cricket needing to grow tap into other European markets, USA, Canada, Asian market, China etc would need T20s tests won't be able to tap in that market neither ODIs..
 
Anyone with half a brain will prefer Test cricket to Mickey Mouse cricket unless they are 9
 
Anyone with half a life would prefer a sport that doesn't go on and on and on for Five freaking days.

Test Cricket fans are just frustrated because their beloved format is dying with each passing day. Just look at the current ongoing Test Between Sri Lanka and England. Who in his right mind would spend 5 days watching that one sided torture.
 
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This is exactly what is happening in India as well.. People are starting to prefer faster forms of entertainment.. When I started watching premier league in 2000 I was the only kid in my class who used to watch it.. All the other kids watched cricket but now I see live screenings for premier league matches, finals having 1500+ people attending..

And now most of my friends don't even know anything about test series or that India lost 4-0 to England Australia etc.. More people like IPL than tests..

Please don't use India to generalize cricket fans all over the world. A player who is rubbish at test cricket and just knows how to play T20s like Pollard, Dwayne Smith and Bravo will always be considered mediocre. Like [MENTION=137677]Thivagar[/MENTION] once said, your beloved IPL makes these rubbish hacks look like Marvel heroes
 
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Anyone with half a life would prefer a sport that doesn't go on and on and on for Five freaking days.

Test Cricket fans are just frustrated because their beloved format is dying with each passing day. Just look at the current ongoing Test Between Sri Lanka and England. Who in his right mind would spend 5 days watching that one sided torture.

What about all the ex players who are greats and prefer good old Test cricket? I guess they dont even have a life either right? T20 cricket is cheap entertainment. Nothing beats a good Test match
 
Both formats have a place, and T20I can be fairly entertaining as well. Just not the IPL (barring a few exceptional knocks), and certainly not in comparison to a good test match. Not. even. close.
 
Please don't use India to generalize cricket fans all over the world. A player who is rubbish at test cricket and just knows how to play T20s like Pollard, Dwayne Smith and Bravo will always be considered mediocre. Like [MENTION=137677]Thivagar[/MENTION] once said, your beloved IPL makes these rubbish hacks look like Marvel heroes

You are just quoting stupid things without actually knowing what I am talking about.. Useless to argue with you at least with Junaid it was a mature debate/conversation you are just blabbering.. But I'll try one last time with you...

1. IPL is Indian league and I am talking about Indian public when did I generalise it about the whole world??
2. No one said that bravo is best player ever.. He's mediocre batsmen and bowler for tests and maybe ODI's as well.. what are you trying to prove here??

IPL is a league followed by millions of you don't like it don't watch it.. Simple.. your opinion might be tests is real cricket and what not but its your opinion that's it.. Learn to respect others opinions as well..
 
What about all the ex players who are greats and prefer good old Test cricket? I guess they dont even have a life either right? T20 cricket is cheap entertainment. Nothing beats a good Test match

You like test matches fair enough good for you.. Others like T20s then let them.. Why do you have to act like an condescending jerk on a random forum to come across as an elitist??

If you talk in that tone a T20 fan will come and belittle tests.. Do you like having these stupid inflammatory arguments online?? If that's what you want then keep on going with such posts..
 
Both formats have a place, and T20I can be fairly entertaining as well. Just not the IPL (barring a few exceptional knocks), and certainly not in comparison to a good test match. Not. even. close.

But Shahrukh Khan and Ambani (whoever that is) like it more than Test cricket so who are you to say anything? What have you achieved in your life? At least this is the logic of a certain Indian on this forum
 
You can bet your money all this tamasha league nonsense will stop the day the next PSL starts:narine
 
But Shahrukh Khan and Ambani (whoever that is) like it more than Test cricket so who are you to say anything? What have you achieved in your life? At least this is the logic of a certain Indian on this forum

When you call everyone who prefers T20 over test as kids 9 year olds etc then this sort of logic is required to teach you who you are in life.. A useless nobody commenting on people whom he can't even dream to be like..
 
You like test matches fair enough good for you.. Others like T20s then let them.. Why do you have to act like an condescending jerk on a random forum to come across as an elitist??

If you talk in that tone a T20 fan will come and belittle tests.. Do you like having these stupid inflammatory arguments online?? If that's what you want then keep on going with such posts..

Look at the post I quoted. He is the one insulting people who like Test cricket
 
Look at the post I quoted. He is the one insulting people who like Test cricket

And how conveniently you ignored when JunaidS said yesterday that all T20 fans are "Unsophisticated and Ignorant". Infact you went on to say he is a good poster. Do you not sense a hypocrisy here?

You see the problem with test cricket fans are they are extremely intolerant and cannot accept that there are certain section (majority infact) prefers LOI cricket these days. And T20 Tamasha fans (as you guys fondly call them) have no issues with sophisticated test cricket.

Its just that majority of the people prefers shorter format these days.
 
IPL was created for one single reason. Make money. There is a huge appetite for T20 cricket and BCCI is tapping into that. I hate how the BCCI works but there is no denying their ability to mint cash.

Tests are being played in a lot of countries despite the boards not making a single penny. It doesn't matter to those boards. They want to play tests to preserve the format and to cater to intelligent crowd.

Why are people arguing about tests vs T20s? For all we know, T20s can be the sole reason why the tests will survive in the future. Cash earned in T20s can be used to run test cricket. All the purists and test cricket fans should thank T20s for saving their favorite format.
 
And how conveniently you ignored when JunaidS said yesterday that all T20 fans are "Unsophisticated and Ignorant". Infact you went on to say he is a good poster. Do you not sense a hypocrisy here?

You see the problem with test cricket fans are they are extremely intolerant and cannot accept that there are certain section (majority infact) prefers LOI cricket these days. And T20 Tamasha fans (as you guys fondly call them) have no issues with sophisticated test cricket.

Its just that majority of the people prefers shorter format these days.

I didnt agree with what Junaids said about T20 fans. Tell me where I agreed with that. In fact what he said was wrong. But that wont change my opinion that he is a really good poster
 
And now we disagree.

Most of the money in world cricket comes from Indian TV - although that will change after today's Supreme Court verdict gave free-to-air coverage to Prasar Bharati.

But European football does just fine without money from the USA, as does world rugby.

Yes, there is more money in India.

But an Aussie or Kiwi or white South African kid who is good at sport doesn't weigh up a career in cricket according to the money available in India. He realises that the money available locally is competitive with rugby or rugby league or AFL and that makes cricket a viable option.
The Indian Parliament had passed the act long back where events of national importance will have a clean feed(Means no logos or ads of the original rights holder) for Prasar Bharti and Prasar Bharti will then share the revenue generated from that feed(Prasar Bharti can generate revenue by selling its own ad spots etc) with the original rights holder.This law has been in force for sometime and Supreme court only upheld its constitutional validity of a section 3 of the sports act passed in 2007.

Next time please provide complete info.
 
You can bet your money all this tamasha league nonsense will stop the day the next PSL starts:narine

If the PSL was a 2 month long affair that took a toll on many cricketers, took out valuable time from the cricketing calendar both in terms of time frame, and also injuries to the players as well as being a league that discriminates, then it will also get flack.
 
If the PSL was a 2 month long affair that took a toll on many cricketers, took out valuable time from the cricketing calendar both in terms of time frame, and also injuries to the players as well as being a league that discriminates, then it will also get flack.

It's in the off season. It caters to the Indian population, so I don't think why people are moaning here. As for the discrimination bit, if I'm correct, it was Pak players who snubbed the 2009 auction. I'm not sure about this though. [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION]
 
It's in the off season. It caters to the Indian population, so I don't think why people are moaning here. As for the discrimination bit, if I'm correct, it was Pak players who snubbed the 2009 auction. I'm not sure about this though. [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION]

It's still too long, and increases injuries for players, but I suppose it's a risk they're willing to take to earn a paycheck. Also, what happened in 2009 doesn't change the present situation. Pakistani players are banned voluntarily or involuntarily. And then people try to tout the league as that of the premiere league of the cricketing world.
 
It's still too long, and increases injuries for players, but I suppose it's a risk they're willing to take to earn a paycheck. Also, what happened in 2009 doesn't change the present situation. Pakistani players are banned voluntarily or involuntarily. And then people try to tout the league as that of the premiere league of the cricketing world.

It's an unfortunate situation but cricket getting mixed with politics in south asia is nothing new. Pakistan refused to play with India in the 90s as well due to political reasons.
 
It's an unfortunate situation but cricket getting mixed with politics in south asia is nothing new. Pakistan refused to play with India in the 90s as well due to political reasons.

My issue is with the status symbol the IPL has become now despite these practices. The fact that the IPL has become the go-to league for T20 cricket, and the world openly supports and embraces that despite these backhanded politics is sad. But I suppose cricket is after all the most corrupted sport among all major 'blockbuster' sports where money comes before all else. So I guess it makes sense.
 
It's still too long, and increases injuries for players, but I suppose it's a risk they're willing to take to earn a paycheck. Also, what happened in 2009 doesn't change the present situation. Pakistani players are banned voluntarily or involuntarily. And then people try to tout the league as that of the premiere league of the cricketing world.

I appreciate your POV, but if you believe that cricket and politics can be kept apart, then its extremely naive. Cricket has always been more than just a sport. WI vs Eng used to be a bit of black vs white (remember blackwash!), India/Pak vs Eng was about beating the colonial masters etc.

Also, a lot of Pakistanis do not understand the impact that Mumbai 2008 had on an Indian's. TBH, all of the issues have happened after the Mumbai attacks. So expecting things to return to normal, even 8 years down the line, is asking for too much. Both countries have a long way to go, before things become like they were pre 2008.
 
I hate all these test vs t20 discussions, all that happens is the test fans and the t20 fans go head to head with extreme views and nothing is resolved.

I'm convinced the likes of me, people who like the different aspects of ALL forms of cricket while slightly favouring one are in the majority here, yet you wouldnt think it reading these threads.

Way people go on you'd swear you have to be either a 6 year old with the brainspan of a fly or a 76 year old aristocrat from the Austen Estate located in west lancashire to even have an opinion.
 
@DonalC spot on. I do not get this whole T20 or Tests argument. It is very simple really. All about demand and supply. The market tends to take care of this on its own.

No need for both sides to hurl insults at each other. T20 OR Test OR both, the market will determine it. I personally think there is room for both.
 
It's in the off season. It caters to the Indian population, so I don't think why people are moaning here. As for the discrimination bit, if I'm correct, it was Pak players who snubbed the 2009 auction. I'm not sure about this though. [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION]
You are correct.
 
If the PSL was a 2 month long affair that took a toll on many cricketers, took out valuable time from the cricketing calendar both in terms of time frame, and also injuries to the players as well as being a league that discriminates, then it will also get flack.
Its for Indian population.No one is stopping anyone from playing international cricket.Players are free to not play IPL.THIS IS NOT MANDATORY PARTICIPATION.

Which part of Indian in the Indian Premier League is not clear?

The reason is IPL is successful its better than the other leagues ans it has wide participation of players which SLPL PSL BPL doesnt have so the jealousy is obvious.
 
It's still too long, and increases injuries for players, but I suppose it's a risk they're willing to take to earn a paycheck. Also, what happened in 2009 doesn't change the present situation. Pakistani players are banned voluntarily or involuntarily. And then people try to tout the league as that of the premiere league of the cricketing world.

You dont like the league dont watch it.Just because you dont like it doesnt mean its bad.It doesnot survive on the opinions of those who dont watch it.

And when you have no idea about Indo-Pak relations its better not to comment on it and you will not decide about what happened in 2009 and and how that is going to affect.
 
My issue is with the status symbol the IPL has become now despite these practices. The fact that the IPL has become the go-to league for T20 cricket, and the world openly supports and embraces that despite these backhanded politics is sad. But I suppose cricket is after all the most corrupted sport among all major 'blockbuster' sports where money comes before all else. So I guess it makes sense.
Your personal issues.No one can help your personal issues.
 
I appreciate your POV, but if you believe that cricket and politics can be kept apart, then its extremely naive. Cricket has always been more than just a sport. WI vs Eng used to be a bit of black vs white (remember blackwash!), India/Pak vs Eng was about beating the colonial masters etc.

Also, a lot of Pakistanis do not understand the impact that Mumbai 2008 had on an Indian's. TBH, all of the issues have happened after the Mumbai attacks. So expecting things to return to normal, even 8 years down the line, is asking for too much. Both countries have a long way to go, before things become like they were pre 2008.
Pakistan was very happy to tow the US line and boycott Olympics.But IPL boycott is bad.
 
What's all this big fuss about?

Most IPL franchisees are listed companies. Why should it surprise some that they are looking to maximise their profits? Anyway most IPL haters consider it as tamasha or Mickey mouse cricket, so why should it concern them what IPL do. IPL may decide to conduct matches in Sierra Leone or Liberia or Yemen or Syria, but why should it matter?

End of the day it will be the economy that will decide if this is a success. If there is no such market for it in US as claimed by Juniads then it will be just a stillborn
 
You dont like the league dont watch it.Just because you dont like it doesnt mean its bad.It doesnot survive on the opinions of those who dont watch it.

Hard to talk sense to these People.. Only two reasons I can think of people hating IPL like this here 1. Jealousy. 2. They enjoy online fights..
 
The reason is IPL is successful its better than the other leagues ans it has wide participation of players which SLPL PSL BPL doesnt have so the jealousy is obvious.

Simple minded folk will always think like you do. It's your overwhelming jingoism that's clouding your judgement. Always looking for some sort of agenda by any critic. That's called a weak argument when you can't address the points of my complaints. I'd be more than happy to support the IPL if it were shorter and Pakistani players weren't banned from it. And I'm ok with it being 10x bigger a league than other leagues (barring BBL) including the PSL.

As far as my "personal issues" go, my opinion is reflective of what I personally believe so I'm not sure what you're trying to get at here. If it were purely an objective analysis then I wouldn't care for any of it, but unfortunately it has to be a two way street.

Its for Indian population.No one is stopping anyone from playing international cricket.Players are free to not play IPL.THIS IS NOT MANDATORY PARTICIPATION.

Which part of Indian in the Indian Premier League is not clear?

*facepalm* such statements are so naive, it's almost hard to believe someone could buy into that. Money is power; when you have the clout, you can dictate the terms. That whether one likes it or not dictates many of the choices cricketers make. Still, the onus is on them to take care of it, but it's highly unlikely that there will be a series announced during the lucrative IPL season. If you don't think that's having an unfair advantage then you're only fooling yourself.

As far as the "Indian" premiere league goes, just have a look at the English premiere league. The name isn't some pretext to discrimination. Regardless of what the management of 2009 thought, banning Pak players isn't the right way especially not for a practically global league with such a widespread audience that's approved by the ICC. That's just a disgrace.
 
[MENTION=139664]street cricketer[/MENTION] you getting angry bro PP is finally getting you turned to the dark side hopefully you embrace it :P
 
Simple minded folk will always think like you do. It's your overwhelming jingoism that's clouding your judgement. Always looking for some sort of agenda by any critic.

A simple reason doesnt need a complicated reasoning.No matter how you want to twist it the reason is clear.


That's called a weak argument when you can't address the points of my complaints.

Which part of Indian in the Indian Premier League you dont understand sir?Its for Indians and most Indians dont have an issue with it and it has a huge following.IPL wont be run according to your wishes.

I'd be more than happy to support the IPL if it were shorter and Pakistani players weren't banned from it. And I'm ok with it being 10x bigger a league than other leagues (barring BBL) including the PSL.

IPL wont be run according to your wishes.You are free not to like it.Its not compulsory watching.If i dont like BPL or SLPL or CPL i wont watch it simple,i wont ask them to run it according to my wishes and whine about it.How many Indians have you seen whining about how other leagues are run?Its their league and its their wish how they run it just like IPL is Indian league and its none of anyone's businesshow its run,they are free not to watch it.

As far as my "personal issues" go, my opinion is reflective of what I personally believe so I'm not sure what you're trying to get at here. If it were purely an objective analysis then I wouldn't care for any of it, but unfortunately it has to be a two way street.

Your personal opinion doesnt make anything good or bad.


*facepalm* such statements are so naive, it's almost hard to believe someone could buy into that. Money is power; when you have the clout, you can dictate the terms. That whether one likes it or not dictates many of the choices cricketers make. Still, the onus is on them to take care of it, but it's highly unlikely that there will be a series announced during the lucrative IPL season. If you don't think that's having an unfair advantage then you're only fooling yourself.

Unfair advantage?What is unfair here?BCCI didnt steal anyone's money.Its hard earned money and they are free to use it in any legal way.Boards are free to deny their players a NOC.And then they can deal with those players and compensate them or do whatever,BCCI wont be saying anything.

This is what is called whining."Oh you have money,so you can dictate etc etc etc" no one has stopped you from earning money.



As far as the "Indian" premiere league goes, just have a look at the English premiere league. The name isn't some pretext to discrimination. Regardless of what the management of 2009 thought, banning Pak players isn't the right way especially not for a practically global league with such a widespread audience that's approved by the ICC. That's just a disgrace.

What do you mean approved by ICC?All domestic leagues are approved by their home board and in turn by ICC and its nothing exclusive.

Nations have boycotted Olympics for political reason.This is just a league.Every nation is free to decide its policy and the GOI's policy is to suspend all bilateral sporting ties with Pakistan.And to top it Pakistani players have said a lot about India and while they are free to say whatever in their own country,India is free to decide whether they get to earn money in our country.

PCB tried to play a dirty game with BCCI in 2009.This is the result.
 
The Indian Parliament had passed the act long back where events of national importance will have a clean feed(Means no logos or ads of the original rights holder) for Prasar Bharti and Prasar Bharti will then share the revenue generated from that feed(Prasar Bharti can generate revenue by selling its own ad spots etc) with the original rights holder.This law has been in force for sometime and Supreme court only upheld its constitutional validity of a section 3 of the sports act passed in 2007.

Next time please provide complete info.

Correct.

Star India has been obstructing this for years. Because it massively reduces the value of its rights, because viewers can watch those matches without subscribing to their channels.

And now we are going to see the revised value of Indian TV rights. Just like Scottish football tanked when Setanta went bankrupt and the English Championship has taken years to recover from the same event.

Sky UK would not pay billions for EPL rights if BBC1 and ITV were allowed to carry those matches and only had to reimburse Sky a proportion of their advertising revenue rather than a proportion of the cost of rights acquisition.

I am actually a keen student of TV sports rights, and the Indian market is fascinating but very unstable, because it depends totally upon:

1. Whether this ruling is finally going to be implemented, and
2. Which matches are defined as being of national importance.

In the worst case scenario for the rest of the world, only ICC events are classified as of "national importance" and India chooses to depart international cricket and concentrate on private domestic leagues such as the IPL. (Many of us wonder whether that is also the best case scenario for the rest of us).

The Indian market in both football and cricket has one unique characteristic that subsequently got aped by other T20 leagues.

There isn't enough money in the Indian TV rights for a 40 week season at high wages comparable to an international football league. There is only enough money to pay for 8-10 weeks at those wage levels.

And there is uncertainty whether making IPL a 40 week per year enterprise would reduce the value of advertising slots, just as having 40 Superbowls per year would reduce the value of Superbowl ad slots.

I'm happy to give Manohar the benefit of the doubt, because he impresses me as a man of integrity.

But to be honest India has no decent bowlers and I wouldn't miss them if they left international cricket. So I half-hope that India does decide to exit the international cricket structure, as Srinivasan kept threatening to do, and moves to a 40 week IPL structure.

If you take the example of Australia, I think we would lose Smith and Starc in around 5 years from now and Warner when he turns 30 in four months time. But the only players under 30 who would abandon national representative cricket for private leagues would be the ones who weren't assured of a place in the team, like Maxwell or Faulkner.

New Zealand would be just the same. Guptill and McCullum would go, but no other established internationals under the age of 30 would.

I think it could be good for India and good for the rest of us. It saddens me on one level, but seems like an improvement on what we have had in recent years.
 
The PSL doesn't put international cricket on a standstill for two whole months.
IPL has really only damaged the West Indian season.

April/May is too cold to play in Australia and New Zealand and April is too cold in England.

And most of us are more interested in the conclusion of the European football season anyway at that time of year.
 
Correct.

Star India has been obstructing this for years. Because it massively reduces the value of its rights, because viewers can watch those matches without subscribing to their channels.

And now we are going to see the revised value of Indian TV rights. Just like Scottish football tanked when Setanta went bankrupt and the English Championship has taken years to recover from the same event.

Sky UK would not pay billions for EPL rights if BBC1 and ITV were allowed to carry those matches and only had to reimburse Sky a proportion of their advertising revenue rather than a proportion of the cost of rights acquisition.

I am actually a keen student of TV sports rights, and the Indian market is fascinating but very unstable, because it depends totally upon:

1. Whether this ruling is finally going to be implemented, and
2. Which matches are defined as being of national importance.

In the worst case scenario for the rest of the world, only ICC events are classified as of "national importance" and India chooses to depart international cricket and concentrate on private domestic leagues such as the IPL. (Many of us wonder whether that is also the best case scenario for the rest of us).

The Indian market in both football and cricket has one unique characteristic that subsequently got aped by other T20 leagues.

There isn't enough money in the Indian TV rights for a 40 week season at high wages comparable to an international football league. There is only enough money to pay for 8-10 weeks at those wage levels.

And there is uncertainty whether making IPL a 40 week per year enterprise would reduce the value of advertising slots, just as having 40 Superbowls per year would reduce the value of Superbowl ad slots.

I'm happy to give Manohar the benefit of the doubt, because he impresses me as a man of integrity.

But to be honest India has no decent bowlers and I wouldn't miss them if they left international cricket. So I half-hope that India does decide to exit the international cricket structure, as Srinivasan kept threatening to do, and moves to a 40 week IPL structure.

If you take the example of Australia, I think we would lose Smith and Starc in around 5 years from now and Warner when he turns 30 in four months time. But the only players under 30 who would abandon national representative cricket for private leagues would be the ones who weren't assured of a place in the team, like Maxwell or Faulkner.

New Zealand would be just the same. Guptill and McCullum would go, but no other established internationals under the age of 30 would.

I think it could be good for India and good for the rest of us. It saddens me on one level, but seems like an improvement on what we have had in recent years.

In India channels dont make money through subscription but through ADs as in India the digital penetration of is limited to few cities.As Prasar Bharti will have to share the revenue it makes through ads after deducting costs that must not exceed 25% of total revenues made by PB.So Star wont lose money as the AD revenues will come.And they will take away 75% of PBs revenue as well.

This law has been there since 2007 and everyone is following it.And this is only for terrestrial broadcast.No one has opposed it because it doesnt make a dent in the profits.

STAR tried to be to clever couple of years back started giving out feeds which had star branding and ads there by leaving little space for PB to generate revenue through its own ADs and whatever little it generated majority was taken away by STAR.

So you see there isnt much revenue loss.

And this rule has been in force since 2007 and only a few matches are telecasted on DD National that too via terrestrial mode.The legislation describes which matches are to be shared.Mainly the knockout matches and the India matches.

The subscription model in India is a joke.For someone like me who subscribes to the maximum number of channels one can through a digital direct to home platform with the highest service package the cost is £8 per month.The cable Tv provides similar packages at £4 or less.The lowest packages start less than £1.All this in a metro city where there is full digitisation.

Maximum parts of India are not digitised and cable subscription costs are very low and its not the major source of income,ADs are.

And btw IPL Matches are not a part of this legislation.
 
The subscription model in India is a joke.For someone like me who subscribes to the maximum number of channels one can through a digital direct to home platform with the highest service package the cost is £8 per month.The cable Tv provides similar packages at £4 or less.The lowest packages start less than £1.All this in a metro city where there is full digitisation.

Maximum parts of India are not digitised and cable subscription costs are very low and its not the major source of income,ADs are.

And btw IPL Matches are not a part of this legislation.
Thanks for that thoughtful reply!

I think that you have actually summarized the problem though, and the reason why many of us find the Indian TV economic model unsustainable.

If you look at every developed TV market, subscription revenue for Sky / HBO / Foxtel / Canal Satellite / Bein Sport massively outstrips advertising revenue, because by definition ratings for subscription channels are a fraction of the ratings for free-to-air ones.

Sky UK EPL matches have maximum ratings ten times smaller than ITV used to command in the pre-Premier League era. Fox Sports coverage of the Big Bash had viewing figures around 15 times smaller than free-to-air Channel Ten ratings.

But even in developed countries, free-to-air broadcast cannot deliver advertising revenue even close to what a private channel can raise through subscriptions.

We return here to the EPL. Football is massively more popular than cricket in the UK, and if ITV broadcast live EPL football it is reasonable to think that a Monday Night match might attract 10 million viewers, compared with 1 million on Sky.

ITV do the sums every time EPL rights come up for renewal. And they can't earn anywhere close to the revenue from ads for free-to-air broadcast that Sky and BT Sport get from subscriber revenue.

You have said yourself that subscriber revenue in India is pitiful because it is a poor country. But India, with a GDP 30% lower than the UK, is not going to generate more advertising revenue for cheap cricket than ITV in the UK could generate for free EPL football.

As I have written, I think that the market value of televised cricket in India is massively over-estimated because:

1. Bidding in India is for a few short, set-piece events, not a year round multi-billion dollar rights deal.
2. Cricket in England is a minority sport.
3. Australia is a wealthy country but only has 24 million people, and by law only free terrestrial broadcasters can show home international cricket, which keeps the market value of the TV rights extremely low.
4. New Zealand and South Africa each only have 4 million white people, so TV rights for cricket are cheap.

And yes, I understand that IPL is exempt from the Indian Supreme Court decision. Which is why I think that when Indian TV rights are finally understood to be as un-lucrative as I am arguing that they really are, I suspect that eventually the BCCI will abandon international cricket for year-round domestic private competition.
 
A simple reason doesnt need a complicated reasoning.No matter how you want to twist it the reason is clear.

That doesn't even make any sense. You just reiterated what you said in the beginning without addressing my point. Just because you think it's a simple reason, doesn't mean it is. And if we go by past comments here, we all know who's the bigger jingoist.


Which part of Indian in the Indian Premier League you dont understand sir?Its for Indians and most Indians dont have an issue with it and it has a huge following.IPL wont be run according to your wishes.



IPL wont be run according to your wishes.You are free not to like it.Its not compulsory watching.If i dont like BPL or SLPL or CPL i wont watch it simple,i wont ask them to run it according to my wishes and whine about it.How many Indians have you seen whining about how other leagues are run?Its their league and its their wish how they run it just like IPL is Indian league and its none of anyone's businesshow its run,they are free not to watch it.
My contention is that if it's such a massive league with so much influence whereby international cricket has to work around it, then yes it is my concern. On top of that I don't want a league that openly discriminates against a people to be the front cover of the modern cricketing world, and on every cricket news site.

If it weren't, then by all means do as you please. But when people start to associate IPL as the defacto standard for T20 cricket leagues, then I do take an issue with that. But money talks, people don't give a s*** how a league is run, and whether or not it's discriminatory. This is where the ICC should step in. When you have this much clout, there comes with it a certain responsibility. Being a biased fan, you won't and probably don't see that, but that's how it works in the rest of the world. If you want to play by your own rules, especially ones that involve politics then stop using the ICC as an umbrella and declare it as an MCC type league. But like I said, money talks in the cricketing world more so than anything else.


Your personal opinion doesnt make anything good or bad.

It doesn't. But my arguments do, and my personal opinion is reflective of that.


Unfair advantage?What is unfair here?BCCI didnt steal anyone's money.Its hard earned money and they are free to use it in any legal way.Boards are free to deny their players a NOC.And then they can deal with those players and compensate them or do whatever,BCCI wont be saying anything.

This is what is called whining."Oh you have money,so you can dictate etc etc etc" no one has stopped you from earning money.

Read previous paragraph; focus on financial responsibility and the ICC umbrella. If you're going to benefit from the ICC affiliation, not so much in the fact that it's some world tournament or anything, but rather that it can pool from any of today's current players unlike the case with leagues like MCC and such then you have a standard to live up to. It's so convenient when you die hard fans defend IPL as if it's all BCCI's prerogative and they can do as they please yet the league benefits immensely from foreign players and by definition also their countries.


What do you mean approved by ICC?All domestic leagues are approved by their home board and in turn by ICC and its nothing exclusive.

Of course there's an exclusivity. When you're the richest league financed by the richest board in cricket, you have a far bigger hand, leverage and influence on the cricketing world than other 'competing' leagues. But I digress, you're the same lot who thought the Big 3 setup was completely just so of course it comes as no surprise that you'd be perfectly fine with this as well.

Nations have boycotted Olympics for political reason.This is just a league.Every nation is free to decide its policy and the GOI's policy is to suspend all bilateral sporting ties with Pakistan.And to top it Pakistani players have said a lot about India and while they are free to say whatever in their own country,India is free to decide whether they get to earn money in our country.

Yes, let's try to justify these practices by quoting political impact from an event 35+ years ago in a completely different sport. But even if you consider that, there's two things going on here. Firstly, a nation committing war crimes by invasion or what happened with the Saffers and the apartheid fiasco are far more depraved crimes than what's happening between Pakistan and India right now. In fact, all India has are allegations against Pakistan regarding some of the supposed atrocities committed, vice versa for Pak. Secondly, it's one thing to boycott an event, but it's a whole different issue when you as a host with that much clout decide to ban countries from partaking due to your own moral code and rules. You don't have that say. Again, if you're going to benefit from world cricket, then you have to live up to a certain degree of responsibility.


PCB tried to play a dirty game with BCCI in 2009.This is the result.


Maybe so, but what we're just going to keep throwing that card around 10 years from now? That doesn't justify anything. In fact PCB is more than keen to invite Indian players to the PSL, and it's besides the point that the IPL doesn't allow its players to do so (tho that's another issue for a different time) or that the PSL benefits from their participation as well, but at least PCB is open to the negotiation. Same can't be said for BCCI.
 
Its for Indian population.No one is stopping anyone from playing international cricket.Players are free to not play IPL.THIS IS NOT MANDATORY PARTICIPATION.

Which part of Indian in the Indian Premier League is not clear?

The reason is IPL is successful its better than the other leagues ans it has wide participation of players which SLPL PSL BPL doesnt have so the jealousy is obvious.
Are these players free to leave IPL in the middle if their national team is playing International Cricket?

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BCCI looking to organise mini IPL overseas this September

DHARAMSHALA: The Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) is seriously considering launching the 'Mini IPL,' the possibility of which was first reported by TOI on October 22 last year, in September this year, to exploit the overseas market for the popular T20 tournament. The idea was floated at a meeting of the IPL Governing Council on Thursday here at the HPCA Stadium.

"There's a 'window' which has been left vacant in September after the Champions LeagueT20 was discontinued from last year. The Mumbai Indians wanted to play a few games against another franchise. There, which will see the participation of all the top stars this time since its being was turned down, and we're now considering the possibility of playing a short duration (10-15 days) tournament in the UAE or the US, in which all the eight teams can take part," a senior Board official told this paper on Thursday. The proposal will now be discussed in the Board's Working Committee meeting here on Friday.

One big glitch here is that India's home cricket season will begin in September this time, with the Duleep Trophy set to feature all big stars, since it would be played with a pink ball under lights. "We'll find a window," assured the official.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...-abroad-in-September/articleshow/52896417.cms
 
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but but BCCi is doing every possible thing to save test cricket
only thing that matters to bcci is money
 
Wow great news for true cricket fans. I thought 17 continuous test matches was an overkill.
 
Wow great news for true cricket fans. I thought 17 continuous test matches was an overkill.

Agree, the demand for IPL is so much that Fans cannot wait one year for it to begin again hence the proposal to have it twice so that there is smaller interval between the two IPLs.
 
Avoidable tbh a season of it is good but anything above that that too non-seasonal will be boring and not taken seriously.
 
IPL should be played all year round. Some people can never get enough of it, so it should be catered to their needs.
 
What a disgrace. Not only is it hammering the fans with incessant amounts of T20 games, but it's also a league that's cutting well into the international cricket calendar. The only one benefiting from this is the BCCI, whilst other boards take a hit.

Last I checked, leagues like MCL and such were regulated, and as such weren't allowed to take out players from the domestic setup of any of the test playing countries, regardless of the incentive; however, that's not at all the case with the great IPL. Not only does it take players from the domestic teams, but it also discriminates openly. Now that right there folks, is what you call a double standard.

Don't be surprised if the Big 3 proposal stays the same with BCCI continuing to rob other boards of their rightful dues. These are valid criticisms of this tyrannical board. Forget the other conspiracies about illegal actions or biased umpiring.

Inb4 "so what?"
 
Ipl is in demand so not suprised BCCI looking to cash on it. If they are going to have this mini ipl instead of having all the teams involved just have the top 4 involved.
 
Matches b/w a couple of teams was still Ok but a 2 week long tournament is bad.Too much T20 cricket is bad.
 
First two editions in the same year with popular kabaddi and now this.

They want to earn everything in one year.

Reminds me of the story of the goose that laid golden eggs
 
I said this earlier and i repeat it again BCCI now only has 2 focuses.IPL and Test cricket.Bilateral LOIs are lower on the list.To offset the costs for holding tests they will play IPL.

The Lodha committee recommendation of not allowing ADs in between overs in international matches of BCCI is another reason for this.
 
What a disgrace. Not only is it hammering the fans with incessant amounts of T20 games, but it's also a league that's cutting well into the international cricket calendar. The only one benefiting from this is the BCCI, whilst other boards take a hit.

Last I checked, leagues like MCL and such were regulated, and as such weren't allowed to take out players from the domestic setup of any of the test playing countries, regardless of the incentive; however, that's not at all the case with the great IPL. Not only does it take players from the domestic teams, but it also discriminates openly. Now that right there folks, is what you call a double standard.

Don't be surprised if the Big 3 proposal stays the same with BCCI continuing to rob other boards of their rightful dues. These are valid criticisms of this tyrannical board. Forget the other conspiracies about illegal actions or biased umpiring.

Inb4 "so what?"

1.Let fans decide if its incessant or if they are ok.Who are you or me to decide for them?

2.Other boards are free to refuse to release their players.If they dont because the players want the money plus the board gets 10% its their problem.You cant have your cake and eat it.

3.MCL is for retired players and not run by any ICC board.Every league takes out players from domestic leagues so does IPL.Stop whining about it just because you hate IPL.

4.Can you explain the discrimination part?

5.While i dont agree with the administration part of big 3 there is nothing wrong with the revenue sharing part.BCCI brings in 80% of revenues and if they take a larger share of revenue why is it wrong?
 
Perfect as an Indian cricket fan. Between the long test match feast it will act as a good appetiser.

Also one year is a long wait for ipl. I am all for it. Surely some might not like it. Maybe this mini ipl might involve only the Indian players and not foreign ones.
 
1.Let fans decide if its incessant or if they are ok.Who are you or me to decide for them?

2.Other boards are free to refuse to release their players.If they dont because the players want the money plus the board gets 10% its their problem.You cant have your cake and eat it.

3.MCL is for retired players and not run by any ICC board.Every league takes out players from domestic leagues so does IPL.Stop whining about it just because you hate IPL.

4.Can you explain the discrimination part?

5.While i dont agree with the administration part of big 3 there is nothing wrong with the revenue sharing part.BCCI brings in 80% of revenues and if they take a larger share of revenue why is it wrong?

1) Mindless masses don't count. They all hate test cricket. Are we really going to take their verdict on this? Majority of knowledgeable cricket fans yes that's including the enthusiasts as well as the casual enthusiasts are getting tired of such a massive influx of T20 games with hardly any breaks in between. I'm going to let them decide how to run our beloved sport. Unlike you and ur beloved BCCI, money isn't the sole motivator to lay the rules by.

2) Where does it say that the boards get 10%? And don't be so naive, do you really think any board would decline its players from attending a tournament run by the board with the biggest clout in cricket?

3) What league has PSL and BPL taken from? What about Big bash? With the amount of money offered in the IPL, do you really think players would rather play domestic/county instead of making 10x the amount in half the time instead? I dislike IPL for valid reasons. You're biased with anything and everything BCCI so your opinion really means diddly squat.

4) Pakistani players aren't allowed. I don't care about the political tiff between the boards/countries. Nor do I care how it came about. Fact of the matter is, if you're going to be allowed to host a tournament on the international cricket calendar with international players and take in all the media and press hype while you're at it, then you better run it with a basic set of ethical rules and that means non discriminatory practices.

5) Because BCCI alone doesn't make anything. Without the other teams, there would be no 80%. So stop being delusional. I get it if BCCI gets a bigger share, sure. But more than 3x-5x the amount of other boards? Now that's highly unfair.
 
1) Mindless masses don't count. They all hate test cricket. Are we really going to take their verdict on this?

Who are you?What are you?You dont decide anything.You dont like it,dont watch it.

Majority of knowledgeable cricket fans yes that's including the enthusiasts as well as the casual enthusiasts are getting tired of such a massive influx of T20 games with hardly any breaks in between. I'm going to let them decide how to run our beloved sport. Unlike you and ur beloved BCCI, money isn't the sole motivator to lay the rules by.

You dont speak for anyone but yourself.You dont get to decide anything.I can only laugh at these comments.

2) Where does it say that the boards get 10%? And don't be so naive, do you really think any board would decline its players from attending a tournament run by the board with the biggest clout in cricket?

The IPL agreements says so.Whatever the players earn,board gets 10%.If other boards dont have a problem then who exactly are you?You can petition your board not to send players for IPL.
3) What league has PSL and BPL taken from? What about Big bash? With the amount of money offered in the IPL, do you really think players would rather play domestic/county instead of making 10x the amount in half the time instead?

Where did the foreign players in PSL/BPL come from?Mars?Moon?where?Again its the players decision what they want to do.You dont get to decide what they want.The world doesnt run according to your wishes.

I dislike IPL for valid reasons.

You are free to.IPL is still running.
You're biased with anything and everything BCCI so your opinion really means diddly squat.

What makes you think that yours matter any more?

4) Pakistani players aren't allowed. I don't care about the political tiff between the boards/countries. Nor do I care how it came about. Fact of the matter is, if you're going to be allowed to host a tournament on the international cricket calendar with international players and take in all the media and press hype while you're at it, then you better run it with a basic set of ethical rules and that means non discriminatory practices.

You dont decide how IPL is going to be run.Its BCCI's tournament and they can decide who they let in who they dont.Nothing illegal.You dont like it dont watch.You have no stake in it neither any say.All you are doing is whining.

5) Because BCCI alone doesn't make anything. Without the other teams, there would be no 80%. So stop being delusional. I get it if BCCI gets a bigger share, sure. But more than 3x-5x the amount of other boards? Now that's highly unfair.

You dont get it do you?the other boards can keep playing amongst themselves,they wont make 50% of the total revenue.Make any team play India and the money flows.

So you agree that BCCI should get more money.It gets 21% of the revenue.Is that excessive?
 
Who are you?What are you?You dont decide anything.You dont like it,dont watch it.



You dont speak for anyone but yourself.You dont get to decide anything.I can only laugh at these comments.



The IPL agreements says so.Whatever the players earn,board gets 10%.If other boards dont have a problem then who exactly are you?You can petition your board not to send players for IPL.


Where did the foreign players in PSL/BPL come from?Mars?Moon?where?Again its the players decision what they want to do.You dont get to decide what they want.The world doesnt run according to your wishes.



You are free to.IPL is still running.


What makes you think that yours matter any more?



You dont decide how IPL is going to be run.Its BCCI's tournament and they can decide who they let in who they dont.Nothing illegal.You dont like it dont watch.You have no stake in it neither any say.All you are doing is whining.



You dont get it do you?the other boards can keep playing amongst themselves,they wont make 50% of the total revenue.Make any team play India and the money flows.

So you agree that BCCI should get more money.It gets 21% of the revenue.Is that excessive?

Reply of the Year, IMO.
 
Great news :)

Hopefully ODI series are reduced and we have only Test and T20 formats in BCCI's mind.

Exactly. Will be the perfect scenario.

People do not understand that what started Test Cricket's decline was ODIs, not T20s. ODI Cricket being reduced to tournaments will be the best possible thing for Test Cricket.
 
I don't see it happening this September. I mean, only two months in between. Good to see they are thinking about expanding the league's footprint. Ideally, they should scrap bilateral India LoI's (or just minimize the no. of ODIs drastically) , have test cricket, ipl,WC, & Wt20. Sounds pretty good to me.
 
ODI cricket is the most tactical format but hit and giggle fans will obviously not understand how good it is.
 
People are getting what they are asking for.

People love the IPL and they cannot wait a whole year for it. BCCI is catering to their demand and they will make money out of it, which means that people are willing to pay for what they like.

This is simple business.

People who are crying about have been crying about the IPL for nearly a decade now and will continue to cry about it in the future.

Only this time, they will cry twice a year - once during the main IPL and once during the mini IPL.

It is tradition for them to cry, so one can ignore them.

Hope it is successful because people deserve to see what they want to see.

Great job by BCCI which as always, has done a great job in giving the Indian public and the Indian cricket fans overseas what they demand.

It is not BCCI's job to do what is in the best interests of the game globally. It is not a charity or a goodwill organization; its job is to promote Indian cricket and deliver products for Indian cricket fans.

That is all.
 
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