BCCI looking to organise mini IPL overseas

[Hasan123]

USA, UAE, UK and RSA are 4 options where IPL will get decent crowds abroad.

Wouldn't mind it in UK as a UK resident

 

[Zak_Fan]

ODI cricket is the most tactical format but hit and giggle fans will obviously not understand how good it is.

Said like a man who does not understand Test Cricket.

ODIs today are nothing but an extended hit and giggle which is too long for it's own good.

 

[Hasan123]

ODI cricket is the most tactical format but hit and giggle fans will obviously not understand how good it is.

I agree with this. I like t20s but too much is being played these days.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Said like a man who does not understand Test Cricket.

ODIs today are nothing but an extended hit and giggle which is too long for it's own good.

Test cricket is my favourite format

 

[street cricketer]

Hopefully it happens in the US if it does come to fruition..

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

ODI cricket is the most tactical format but hit and giggle fans will obviously not understand how good it is.

If we do not understand it why are we vouching for Test and T20's? We would have liked only ODI's and T20's then!
Even ODI format was called a joke in 70's and 80's

 

[marlonbrowndo]

You absolutely can not blame BCCI. As [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] said they are not a charity. You have to blame the stupid public. Same thing as Pakistani cinemas. You can not blame them for showing too much Bollywood and other rubbish. Its the stupid public.

 

[Zak_Fan]

Test cricket is my favourite format

And you still believe that ODIs are the most tactical format? The nature of pitch stays the same for 100 overs, the rate of scoring stays the same, you can't get creative with your field positions and the list goes on. Compare this to Tests where every session is a different story.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

And you still believe that ODIs are the most tactical format? The nature of pitch stays the same for 100 overs, the rate of scoring stays the same, you can't get creative with your field positions and the list goes on. Compare this to Tests where every session is a different story.

Let me re word what I said. ODI cricket when played in right conditions is an amazing format. Just look back at the 2011 world cup or even the 2014 Asia Cup. When there's something there for bowlers, ODI cricket is a treat to watch. The ICC can take measures to make the format regain its previous greatness

 

[Moh@n]

A 2-week IPL is great news. BCCI surely knows what sells.

I would have liked the main IPL to be cut short though.

 

[Syed1]

They can have 50 IPL seasons a year for all I care, as long as it does not effect the international calendar or FTP..

 

[The_Odd_One]

Too much of anything is not good. Everybody loves WC but you can't have it every year.

I will be more interested in a tri-series. India, Australia, and England will be an awesome contest.

 

[Poshika31]

Count me on as i will definitely attend some matches if it is held in uae.previously i have attended ipl matches in both hyderabad and bangalore

 

[The_Odd_One]

People are getting what they are asking for.

People love the IPL and they cannot wait a whole year for it. BCCI is catering to their demand and they will make money out of it, which means that people are willing to pay for what they like.

This is simple business.

People who are crying about have been crying about the IPL for nearly a decade now and will continue to cry about it in the future.

Only this time, they will cry twice a year - once during the main IPL and once during the mini IPL.

It is tradition for them to cry, so one can ignore them.

Hope it is successful because people deserve to see what they want to see.

Great job by BCCI which as always, has done a great job in giving the Indian public and the Indian cricket fans overseas what they demand.

It is not BCCI's job to do what is in the best interests of the game globally. It is not a charity or a goodwill organization; its job is to promote Indian cricket and deliver products for Indian cricket fans.

That is all.

Then, does not it make more sense to hold IPL in two rounds?

Only the select teams from the first round progress to the second round.

This will make mini IPL more meaningful.

I do agree that BCCI is the best board out there who is truly serving interest of Indian interest.

 

[JattMaula]

Ideally, they should scrap bilateral India LoI's (or just minimize the no. of ODIs drastically) , have test cricket, ipl,WC, & Wt20. Sounds pretty good to me.

Yeah! DEATH to meaningless bilateral ODI's!

 

[navitrk2]

stop whining about things that have not happen Did bcci played a series?did bcci give reveune to pakistan?did bcci have done any favour to pakistan ?why are you taking credit if the series have not happen,we are still going smoothly and that was first and last mistake pcb has done to asked for a series

I am not whining about anything. These clauses are in the agreement between ten sports and pcb and i highlighted that to tell that other boards depend on BCCI to earn good money . Let me ask you something WHY SHOULD BCCI FAVOUR PCB IN ANYTHING? isn't pcb in big4? No body helps someone who Always try to blame him and opposes him.

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[rhony]

Btw UAE is the likely venue for this.

Oh NO. I was hoping for US to host this. Anyway, is UAE a lucrative venue? Most of the PSL barring a couple of games had very poor attendance.

 

[navitrk2]

Oh NO. I was hoping for US to host this. Anyway, is UAE a lucrative venue? Most of the PSL barring a couple of games had very poor attendance.

But IPL got good attendance when it happened there

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[rhony]

People are getting what they are asking for.

People love the IPL and they cannot wait a whole year for it. BCCI is catering to their demand and they will make money out of it, which means that people are willing to pay for what they like.

This is simple business.

People who are crying about have been crying about the IPL for nearly a decade now and will continue to cry about it in the future.

Only this time, they will cry twice a year - once during the main IPL and once during the mini IPL.

It is tradition for them to cry, so one can ignore them.

Hope it is successful because people deserve to see what they want to see.

Great job by BCCI which as always, has done a great job in giving the Indian public and the Indian cricket fans overseas what they demand.

It is not BCCI's job to do what is in the best interests of the game globally. It is not a charity or a goodwill organization; its job is to promote Indian cricket and deliver products for Indian cricket fans.

That is all.

Well said. Say what you will but BCCI knows how to mint money. There is a huge appetite for T20 cricket and IPL in general. They scrapped the CHampions Trophy and with mini IPL, they don't have to share their revenues with anyone.

 

[#GreenRoars]

Good for BCCI.

 

[#GreenRoars]

Btw UAE is the likely venue for this.

Impossible.

 

[rhony]

I posted this a couple of years ago. I met someone that's close to BCCI in chicago and he reiterated that BCCI wants to emulate USA sport structure. They want to hold IPL 6 to 9 months out of a year. The teams will be expanded to 12 and they will play T20, tests. Apparently ODIs in the current format was not part of the plan and they are coming with a plan (2 innings per team with 20 overs in each inning). The number of foreign players will be increased to 5 per team. This is part of BCCI's plan to monopolize the game in the next 10 to 15 years. The other 3 to 6 months in the year will host marquee series like 'Ashes' etc. It was a relative of Shivlal Yadav who is part of BCCI that toild me about BCCI's vision. According to him, cricket is dying in countries like Eng, AUS, SA and the Indian population has the appetite to sustain the extended IPL. This IPL 2 is part of the grand vision of BCCI

 

[navitrk2]

I posted this a couple of years ago. I met someone that's close to BCCI in chicago and he reiterated that BCCI wants to emulate USA sport structure. They want to hold IPL 6 to 9 months out of a year. The teams will be expanded to 12 and they will play T20, tests. Apparently ODIs in the current format was not part of the plan and they are coming with a plan (2 innings per team with 20 overs in each inning). The number of foreign players will be increased to 5 per team. This is part of BCCI's plan to monopolize the game in the next 10 to 15 years. The other 3 to 6 months in the year will host marquee series like 'Ashes' etc. It was a relative of Shivlal Yadav who is part of BCCI that toild me about BCCI's vision. According to him, cricket is dying in countries like Eng, AUS, SA and the Indian population has the appetite to sustain the extended IPL. This IPL 2 is part of the grand vision of BCCI

None of this is feasible ..... Hard to achieve and even hard to believe

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[RamLakhan]

ODI cricket is the most tactical format but hit and giggle fans will obviously not understand how good it is.

ODI cricket is dead and dusted with the new rules... batting friendly, hard balls through out the game (with two new balls), day-night matches (dew advantages/disadvantages), etc.

There is now way ODI is going to remain interesting with constant 300+ runs (and being chased or being suffocated chasing it). The only way ODI will be interesting is by having scores around 200-250 (and being able to defend it & chase it hard) This is not going to be possible unless the rules are restored back (pure day matches), reverse swing, spinning the soft ball, etc.

People/Board don't want to go back. They want entertainment and fast scores. T20 is the best answer instead of boring elongated run-fest (that's why 2015 world cup was a flop! Because toss decided the results. 2011 world cup at least had some 250ish matches because of vibrant pitches. But with new age batsmen and rules I don't think we will ever see such ODI matches). ODIs gave us some good memories (the ones such as us who witnessed those matches in that generation). People don't have such time now (whole day). Test matches will continue it will serve more for the Cricket Purists, Artistic lovers of cricket and players themselves! (Players can enjoy and feel pride of their Test Match achievements! It is good that hard T20 players like ABD, Kohli keen to change their gears to adapt to Test Match demand. Let us not demand too much from them by asking them to play another intermediate or outer-mediate ODI matches!)

ODIs will soon vanish

 

[Xeeebon]

Too much t20 will destroy it's appetite....stop all these t20s

 

[Xeeebon]

Let me re word what I said. ODI cricket when played in right conditions is an amazing format. Just look back at the 2011 world cup or even the 2014 Asia Cup. When there's something there for bowlers, ODI cricket is a treat to watch. The ICC can take measures to make the format regain its previous greatness

Agreed...solely want the death of t20 and revive of sporting ODI....

 

[rhony]

None of this is feasible ..... Hard to achieve and even hard to believe

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That's what people thought about IPL. That's what they thought when European clubs started monopolizing football. They thought Basketball, Baseball will not thrive if USA does not play enough international games. There is absolutely no money generated during a lot of bilateral series. As far as football goes, there are very few international friendlies or tournaments. They have a world cup qualification year long and the number of games played by every team is limited. They play leagues for the most part of the year. Considering that 70% of the revenue is generated in India, and the impending death of the sport in many countries, it's not far fetched to think India will plan to monopolize it.

 

[saeed5646]

I am not whining about anything. These clauses are in the agreement between ten sports and pcb and i highlighted that to tell that other boards depend on BCCI to earn good money . Let me ask you something WHY SHOULD BCCI FAVOUR PCB IN ANYTHING? isn't pcb in big4? No body helps someone who Always try to blame him and opposes him.

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but for your kind info Pcb is not taking single penny from the Bcci .Why are you bringing the old stuff
Before Pcb and Ten sports agreement Big 3 were formed and bcci have agreed with pcb to give atleast 2 home series to pakistan in next 3 years and at that time Pcb were confident that bcci will not cancel the series thats why Pcb have agree a deal with ten sports with a clause of pak indo series
And you are saying as if we are bankrupt or totally dependent on Bcci which is unfortunately not true and we have survived and will in future without any bcci help
bottom line is Pcb is in alot of money crisis but Pcb will not get effective or give a damn if bcci reaches any new hieght or become bankrupt because neither Pcb is dependent on bcci nor they will be in future InshALLAH

 

[silentkiller187]

good initiative to try and secure new viewers however i think the market is already saturated, playing more matches will just make the real cricket fans lose interest

 

[King Kong]

It's okay to have mini IPL. But the question is, what is this for? People watch IPL and support their favourite teams and want them to lift the trophy. It has some GOAL and INTENTION of which is the best IPL team. I wonder what this "mini IPL" is about and what are it's objectives. I am a huge fan of IPL and watch as many games as I can, but these extra matches in USA or whatever country should have some substance.

 

[narayanjan]

This is just the beginning of franchise sports getting larger and bigger. Maybe to such an extent that there is no need to have a clause of x number of players from India and will truly be like the NBA open to all and driven by sheer business reasons.

I fail to understand the arguments made about purity of a sport, friendship between countries, emotion etc in a decision that is based on cold fact rational decision making which is driven by the economics of the sport.

Test cricket is for people who have too much time on their hands and has to die its natural death, a product of the independence day era when the British just had too much time on their hands. The only format that will survive and floruish is T20, and maybe tage along ODI still such a time that it too becomes too long for people to spend.

BCCI is doing the right thing by making cricket a more professional sport rather than let it languish as an amateur sport that laments sports such as field hockey.

 

[navitrk2]

I am not whining about anything. These clauses are in the agreement between ten sports and pcb and i highlighted that to tell that other boards depend on BCCI to earn good money . Let me ask you something WHY SHOULD BCCI FAVOUR PCB IN ANYTHING? isn't pcb in big4? No body helps someone who Always try to blame him and opposes him.

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but for your kind info Pcb is not taking single penny from the Bcci .Why are you bringing the old stuff
Before Pcb and Ten sports agreement Big 3 were formed and bcci have agreed with pcb to give atleast 2 home series to pakistan in next 3 years and at that time Pcb were confident that bcci will not cancel the series thats why Pcb have agree a deal with ten sports with a clause of pak indo series
And you are saying as if we are bankrupt or totally dependent on Bcci which is unfortunately not true and we have survived and will in future without any bcci help
bottom line is Pcb is in alot of money crisis but Pcb will not get effective or give a damn if bcci reaches any new hieght or become bankrupt because neither Pcb is dependent on bcci nor they will be in future InshALLAH

Who says pcb taking money from bcci. Read my post thoroughly. I quoted that clause to show why BCCI said to generate major chunk of icc revenue. It is good that pcb is not bankrupted I don't want that. The clause shouldn't have existed in the first place. I don't hate pcb and i don't care what they do to generate money but i amused that when bcci try something to do something all cricket enthusiast(who call themselves) will be in line to bite BCCI legs and if somebody try to explain the fact they will be called as bcci blind supporters. Oh and i will wish pcb a bedt of luck as they are going to ask icc and it's members to give a piece in icc revenue. Oh i almost forgot to type that bcci is a member in icc.

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[cricketjoshila]

Impossible.

Kyun ji?

 

[saeed5646]

Who says pcb taking money from bcci. Read my post thoroughly. I quoted that clause to show why BCCI said to generate major chunk of icc revenue. It is good that pcb is not bankrupted I don't want that. The clause shouldn't have existed in the first place. I don't hate pcb and i don't care what they do to generate money but i amused that when bcci try something to do something all cricket enthusiast(who call themselves) will be in line to bite BCCI legs and if somebody try to explain the fact they will be called as bcci blind supporters. Oh and i will wish pcb a bedt of luck as they are going to ask icc and it's members to give a piece in icc revenue. Oh i almost forgot to type that bcci is a member in icc.

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so according to you icc= bcci i think it also include aus,england,newzeland,south africa as major members
PCB will never asked for money from bcci so why its bother you i think icc doesn,t belongs to bcci only

 

[rhony]

so according to you icc= bcci i think it also include aus,england,newzeland,south africa as major members
PCB will never asked for money from bcci so why its bother you i think icc doesn,t belongs to bcci only

If PCB can enhance their marketing, they can create new rivalries. Pak vs AUS or Pak vs SA or Pak vs Eng for that matter. Playing against Pakistan is a huge money spinner for India as well but in the recent times, they've been smart by creating a rivalry between Ind vs AUS. The new rivalry can never be as strong as Ind vs Pak due to geo political reasons but atleast it filled the lack of Ind vs Pak game void to a certain extent.

It's another matter that Indian team is a money spinner because of the brand of cricket they play and also the huge following they have due to the huge Indian population everywhere in the world. Pakistan needs to improve their game a lot and produce stars on a regular basis to be able to compete against a great team to create a new rivalry. That along with smart campaigning is the way to go. Until then, PCB will always be on the lookout for money and BCCI is going to thwart that by not playing against them.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Hopefully IPL will be organised thrice per year because that's the only way to kill it.

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

Hopefully IPL will be organised thrice per year because that's the only way to kill it.

One would hope that too much of T20s will kill this format. Or atleast restrict it.

But that's not going to happen. Too wide and too deep a following.

Cricket as we have known it, is dead.

 

[narayanjan]

The dinosaurs are the first to become extinct when there is a change - and I see test cricket and the old guard and rules as the dinosaur. I would urge you to read these two books to get a better understanding

https://play.google.com/store/books...Oxford_Handbook_of_Sports_Eco?id=eHCJAgAAQBAJ

https://play.google.com/store/books/details/Bill_Simmons_The_Book_of_Basketball?id=oLCSBeuStRcC

It should give you a sense for how franchise sports builds and how country based affiliations go to the sideline. The first book has more technical details than a lay man will need. By the by I'm a PhD in in the US (with minors in Economics and Phsychology) and consistently work with data from a few franchise sports (not crickety) on building models.

My quick assessment is that IPL is here to stay and grow. Test cricket will die a slow but sure death. Country based series and games will help build players for franchise cricket. As of now they offer established players. In the future they will offer players for the draft. BOth will exist though one will be more popular and more rewarding professionally and monetarily than the other.

 

[Batman_DB]

USA should be the way to go but they lack infrastructure!! so well might be UAE

 

[Junaids]

BCCI looking to organise mini IPL overseas this September

Franchise sport is for neophytes with no culture or history, like Americans.

Look at the lifelong connection between Fernando Torres and Atletico Madrid to see how real club sport exterminates franchise sport.

Or, for that matter, the passion that the Euros and World Cup engender that no American sport can approach.

 

[Junaids]

I posted this a couple of years ago. I met someone that's close to BCCI in chicago and he reiterated that BCCI wants to emulate USA sport structure. They want to hold IPL 6 to 9 months out of a year. The teams will be expanded to 12 and they will play T20, tests. Apparently ODIs in the current format was not part of the plan and they are coming with a plan (2 innings per team with 20 overs in each inning). The number of foreign players will be increased to 5 per team. This is part of BCCI's plan to monopolize the game in the next 10 to 15 years. The other 3 to 6 months in the year will host marquee series like 'Ashes' etc. It was a relative of Shivlal Yadav who is part of BCCI that toild me about BCCI's vision. According to him, cricket is dying in countries like Eng, AUS, SA and the Indian population has the appetite to sustain the extended IPL. This IPL 2 is part of the grand vision of BCCI

The problem is that the nature of T20 reduces the matches to bowler-less garbage.

You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig.

 

[Hasan123]

USA should be the way to go but they lack infrastructure!! so well might be UAE

UAE pitches are not the best. BCCI should look at playing it in England or South Africa

 

[Mp812]

Pretty amazed many people are surprised at this announcement. BCCI and current generation Indians are becoming smart businessmen. CEOs of some top companies in world are now Indians and many are in queue for top jobs world over. Anyway point is BCCI is obviously trying to promote T20 via IPL to a few other potential markets. These potential countries will never get test status but will surely compete in IPL and players from these countries will get chance to earn millions via cricket in T20 club levels . Even if just USA take a liking to IPL , BCCI will collaborate with USA cricket board and become big 4 instead of big 3 and will make 10 times more than revenue they currently generate. In my opinion test cricket will exist in future but only for purists but revenue will flow from T20s in future and just like soccer club level cricket will be more in fashion with occasional cricket series between countries. If ICC blocks growth of IPL ,I have a strong feeling IPL will become a T20 governing body in itself over next decade . Just my prediction.

 

[sshakir411]

anyone who thinks US is a good option should seriously take a look at the dismal grounds...they're not international level. Not sure why it would be considered a venue for IPL.

 

[Junaids]

This is just the beginning of franchise sports getting larger and bigger. Maybe to such an extent that there is no need to have a clause of x number of players from India and will truly be like the NBA open to all and driven by sheer business reasons.

I fail to understand the arguments made about purity of a sport, friendship between countries, emotion etc in a decision that is based on cold fact rational decision making which is driven by the economics of the sport.

Test cricket is for people who have too much time on their hands and has to die its natural death, a product of the independence day era when the British just had too much time on their hands. The only format that will survive and floruish is T20, and maybe tage along ODI still such a time that it too becomes too long for people to spend.

BCCI is doing the right thing by making cricket a more professional sport rather than let it languish as an amateur sport that laments sports such as field hockey.

I have bought the following tickets for the upcoming Australian season:

Adelaide Test v South Africa
8 tickets for $720
2 air tickets for $570
5 hotel nights for $2800

For Brisbane I have 9 tickets for $810.

For Sydney v Pakistan
8 tickets for $1100
2 air tickets for $400
6 hotel nights for $2400

Don't assume that we all get as little time off as Indians or Americans. I get 5 weeks of holidays per year plus 4 weeks of paid conference leave.

Test Cricket generates millions of dollars in Australia and England.

 

[Poshika31]

[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] just because u have so much free time doest mean anything.it is not the case everywhere except may be eng and aus that too marquee series with sa,india and not with other countries.keep staying in u r kuckoo world believing every thing is alright with test cricket and dont badmouth other fans as purists often do without accepting reality.

 

[Poshika31]

The longer the denial the harder it is to accept when reality strikes

 

[narayanjan]

Sometimes when I see arguments that are not based on cognition (rationality) but on affect (emotion laden responses) I assume that putting forth facts and rational arguments isnt going to help any bit.

Hope test cricket stays as long as you can support it. Right now it requires a few people to cough up $1000 each....pretty soon it will require you to put in $10,000 or more and at some point as people drop off you will find that there is no reason to have a supply since there is no demand.

 

[Poshika31]

[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] it is the tv deals that makes millions and not actual match revenues.apart from lords and oval the other counties bidding for matches are making loses and most counties are surviving on ecb handouts.if u r saying test matches are so succesful then why are they actually loosing money.

 

[Poshika31]

[MENTION=85670]narayanjan[/MENTION] exactly my thoughts.pretty hard to argue with some one who bases his opinions on what he is doing and not considering the bigger picture

 

[Poshika31]

[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] u know what happened in the aus pak series in england.it is an un mitigated disaster in terms of loss to yorkshire county for staging the test match.so much for millions that test cricket make in england right ?

 

[Junaids]

[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] u know what happened in the aus pak series in england.it is an un mitigated disaster in terms of loss to yorkshire county for staging the test match.so much for millions that test cricket make in england right ?

I've posted about this before.

There were three problems:

1. The ECB bidding process was used as if England was playing, and
2. The home team was not playing, and
3. There was (football) World Cup fatigue.

 

[Junaids]

[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] it is the tv deals that makes millions and not actual match revenues.apart from lords and oval the other counties bidding for matches are making loses and most counties are surviving on ecb handouts.if u r saying test matches are so succesful then why are they actually loosing money.

The London grounds are getting two of the four or five summer Tests each year.

Poor Durham and Yorkshire this year were allocated matches against rubbish opposition before summer even started.

And seven is too many Tests - should still be five.

 

[BD-fan]

When are they going to play? I mean at what hour? Say, they play at Houston/Dallas/Chicago/LA/Miami/ or even in NYC.

If they schedule 6pm-11pm game it would be 4am-9am game in India. Who is going to watch? How will the sponsor make money? Local crowd and audience?

 

[Anfield]

Oh NO. I was hoping for US to host this. Anyway, is UAE a lucrative venue? Most of the PSL barring a couple of games had very poor attendance.

Where in US will you hold IPL?

 

[Mp812]

They can have 50 IPL seasons a year for all I care, as long as it does not effect the international calendar or FTP..

The international calendar will eventually be adjusted accordingly by 2019 that it will not get affected at all

 

[Suleiman]

Why though? Isn't this a little too much? Kuch ziyada hogaya.

I don't mind IPL, but this is quite a lot for a year.

 

[Batman_DB]

UAE pitches are not the best. BCCI should look at playing it in England or South Africa

There own T20 is failing to compete with the other franchise t20 leagues why would ECB shoot themselves in the foot by inviting BCCI to stage the IPL?

 

[IcedCoffee]

Who are you?What are you?You dont decide anything.You dont like it,dont watch it.

These mindless T20 loving masses also want Test cricket gone for good. Do you see the ICC abiding by their rules or heck even the BCCI? No. What the public wants from the game isn't always in the best interest of the game.

The IPL agreements says so.Whatever the players earn,board gets 10%.If other boards dont have a problem then who exactly are you?You can petition your board not to send players for IPL.

If this is true then that's a better proposition. I'll have to look more into this claim though. As for the last point, do you really think me or anyone else suggesting anything will have an impact on what decision a board makes be it may due to the clout BCCI has?

Where did the foreign players in PSL/BPL come from?Mars?Moon?where?Again its the players decision what they want to do.You dont get to decide what they want.The world doesnt run according to your wishes.



You are free to.IPL is still running.

The domestic boards and sides can never compete with the paycheck that IPL hands out. I don't need to explain to you how important domestic participation is for the grooming of players both by international stars and also local. If we start handling these matters solely based on a financial standpoint then it will soon become a very selfish and individualistic setup whereby the players will stop bothering with domestic games and spend time with the IPL instead. How are you not getting this? Do you not realize what comes with such a big clout in cricket? Responsibilities. If you're going to benefit from the cricket world (and yes BCCI is big because of other countries AS WELL as their own investments) then the least you can do is give back.

I'm not sure what it is with these subcontinent fans and their delusion of accepting practices by boards and organizations to use and abuse international cricket whilst giving barely anything in return. Not only that but absolving themselves of whatever little they were doing to begin with like the beloved Test Fund and severely reduced funding to the affiliates. That's not how international sport works. I've yet to see such selfish use of capitalistic principles in any other major sport in the world where the self interests come before the game itself.

What makes you think that yours matter any more?

Because unlike you I'm not as blatantly biased towards any particular board or organization. And yea yea I don't need to hear your incessant reply about how ur capitalistic viewpoints are just as dignified. Save it for someone else.

You dont decide how IPL is going to be run.Its BCCI's tournament and they can decide who they let in who they dont.Nothing illegal.You dont like it dont watch.You have no stake in it neither any say.All you are doing is whining.

Then get off the international calendar. The IPL has become the face of T20 franchise cricket, and soon it will form its own system similar to that of the premier league. Do you really think that if England banned say Spanish players from the league that it would go down ok with everyone else? No. Except in cricket nobody really cares except for themselves. The sport and following principles comes 2nd. I suppose that's another reason why having a monopolistic board in power is not such a great idea.

You dont get it do you?the other boards can keep playing amongst themselves,they wont make 50% of the total revenue.Make any team play India and the money flows.

So you agree that BCCI should get more money.It gets 21% of the revenue.Is that excessive?

And...that's exactly what I said; it's a two way street. Don't try to spin my words. I agree that BCCI should get more money, but if that 21% is 5-6x higher than other boards then yes it is excessive. You want to compete on an even keel then do so equally. England contributes far more to soccer than other nations, do you think they get majority share in the profits? No. Because FIFA wants to put the game ahead first unlike cowardly ICC which bows down to the BCCI.

I don't care if there's 1 or 2 or even 3 IPLs around the world as long as there is someone who's managing and setting limits to how much clout the BCCI has over the impact of these events. You are taking international players and are interrupting the international calendar then yes that is an issue (and no you can't expect good will of cricket to be served by individuals wanting to make a quick buck). So far nobody has any balls to say anything to the BCCI in regards to regulations with IPL--certainly not the ICC. What if tomorrow BCCI decides it wants to cut into the event cycle of ICC events that it deems not as worthy (say the Champions trophy for instance), who's going to stop them? I know you'll probably defend it as always, but regardless of what other boards want, when it comes down to it, they won't really have much say on it. PCB or another board or two might boycott it but with BCCI out of the tournament, everyone will be forced to give it up and clear that window instead. I don't get how you fail to see how dangerous this is for the sport.

As long as it's well regulated then I have no issues with it aside ofc from the discrimination issues.

 

[Hasan123]

There own T20 is failing to compete with the other franchise t20 leagues why would ECB shoot themselves in the foot by inviting BCCI to stage the IPL?

IPL can be hosted in September time, English t20 finishes in August

 

[cricketjoshila]

These mindless T20 loving masses also want Test cricket gone for good. Do you see the ICC abiding by their rules or heck even the BCCI? No. What the public wants from the game isn't always in the best interest of the game.

How hard it is for you to get?You are not deciding anything.You are just another fan.Just like millions who like IPL.Get over your complex.

The IPL agreements says so.Whatever the players earn,board gets 10%.If other boards dont have a problem then who exactly are you?You can petition your board not to send players for IPL.

If this is true then that's a better proposition. I'll have to look more into this claim though. As for the last point, do you really think me or anyone else suggesting anything will have an impact on what decision a board makes be it may due to the clout BCCI has?

Then deal with it.And stop whining.

The domestic boards and sides can never compete with the paycheck that IPL hands out. I don't need to explain to you how important domestic participation is for the grooming of players both by international stars and also local. If we start handling these matters solely based on a financial standpoint then it will soon become a very selfish and individualistic setup whereby the players will stop bothering with domestic games and spend time with the IPL instead. How are you not getting this? Do you not realize what comes with such a big clout in cricket? Responsibilities. If you're going to benefit from the cricket world (and yes BCCI is big because of other countries AS WELL as their own investments) then the least you can do is give back.

BCCI's job is to look after Indian cricket and they are doing it.And the money is not yours neither is it being offered to you.You have no stake in deciding what happens.Its between the players their board and IPL.

Secondly which country's domestic season is being disrupted by BCCI and how long?Tell that please.

I'm not sure what it is with these subcontinent fans and their delusion of accepting practices by boards and organizations to use and abuse international cricket whilst giving barely anything in return. Not only that but absolving themselves of whatever little they were doing to begin with like the beloved Test Fund and severely reduced funding to the affiliates. That's not how international sport works. I've yet to see such selfish use of capitalistic principles in any other major sport in the world where the self interests come before the game itself.

I can only laugh at your ideas of superiority and calling other fans delusions or mindless or whatever.This is a free world everyone has their opinions and ideas,deal with it.

Because unlike you I'm not as blatantly biased towards any particular board or organization. And yea yea I don't need to hear your incessant reply about how ur capitalistic viewpoints are just as dignified. Save it for someone else.

Let me tell you again,Your opinions dont matter more than mine or that of any other fan.Come down of whatever high horse you are on.

Then get off the international calendar.

IPL is played just like any other league PSL,BPL BBL CPL etc they are all domestic tournaments they dont have a window in FTP.And even if it did you are no one to decide what stays there what not.

The IPL has become the face of T20 franchise cricket, and soon it will form its own system similar to that of the premier league. Do you really think that if England banned say Spanish players from the league that it would go down ok with everyone else? No. Except in cricket nobody really cares except for themselves. The sport and following principles comes 2nd. I suppose that's another reason why having a monopolistic board in power is not such a great idea.

How hard it is to understand?Which part of Indian in Indian Premier League you dont understand?India's league,India's money,India's decision whom to allow who not to.No laws are broken in this.Any sovereign country has the right to decide how they conduct their ties with others.Your whining wont change that.

And...that's exactly what I said; it's a two way street. Don't try to spin my words. I agree that BCCI should get more money, but if that 21% is 5-6x higher than other boards then yes it is excessive. You want to compete on an even keel then do so equally. England contributes far more to soccer than other nations, do you think they get majority share in the profits? No. Because FIFA wants to put the game ahead first unlike cowardly ICC which bows down to the BCCI.

Does England generate 80% of revenue?NO.In no other sport one country generates this much money alone.BCCI generates FOUR times of the total revenue generated by all other countries put together.So if they take 4-5 times more money that any one board its not unfair.Ask other boards to bring more revenue and break the monopoly.But they wont,they cant all some boards will do is ask for SPECIAL FUNDS.

I don't care if there's 1 or 2 or even 3 IPLs around the world as long as there is someone who's managing and setting limits to how much clout the BCCI has over the impact of these events. You are taking international players and are interrupting the international calendar then yes that is an issue (and no you can't expect good will of cricket to be served by individuals wanting to make a quick buck). So far nobody has any balls to say anything to the BCCI in regards to regulations with IPL--certainly not the ICC.

AGain which series have been interrupted by IPL?Which players were forced to play IPL againist their will?Which international series was abandoned?IPL doesnt have a window,its played just like PSL or CPl or BPL or BBL,just that BCCI was clever enough to start it before any other league and hence its played during a time when except England no other team has their home season.Even this IPL mini is being played in a window when there is no international games scheduled.STOP WHINING AND CRYING ABOUT IPL THIS IPL THAT JUST BECAUSE YOU HATE INDIA.

What if tomorrow BCCI decides it wants to cut into the event cycle of ICC events that it deems not as worthy (say the Champions trophy for instance), who's going to stop them? I know you'll probably defend it as always, but regardless of what other boards want, when it comes down to it, they won't really have much say on it. PCB or another board or two might boycott it but with BCCI out of the tournament, everyone will be forced to give it up and clear that window instead. I don't get how you fail to see how dangerous this is for the sport.

I dont comment on silly speculations.

As long as it's well regulated then I have no issues with it aside ofc from the discrimination issues.

You can have issues,IPL isnt bothered.You are no regulatory authority nor your opinion on alleged discrimination matters.you can whine though.

 

[Zak_Fan]

Slightly fixed

Our C grade tamasha teams are stronger than some international sides. Must be a high-quality tamasha.

 

[Sachin136]

Why is everyone making a big fuss over a 2 week league? You aren't going to miss many tests in that time.

 

[Batman_DB]

IPL can be hosted in September time, English t20 finishes in August

If the English public get hooked to the razzmatazz of the IPL who gonna watch Natwest t20 blast?

 

[Hasan123]

If the English public get hooked to the razzmatazz of the IPL who gonna watch Natwest t20 blast?

T20 has been selling well in England. If people can see world stars they won't turn down that opportunity as long as prices are fair. That said English counties won't want this for the reasons you are saying.

 

[IcedCoffee]

How hard it is for you to get?You are not deciding anything.You are just another fan.Just like millions who like IPL.Get over your complex.

I'd like to say the majority here want Test cricket to stay, and many of the people in the T20 loving masses want it to be gone. Who has the best interests for the game, i'll let you decide.


Then deal with it.And stop whining.


That's all you can come up with. My argument is invalid because it's my personal opinion.


BCCI's job is to look after Indian cricket and they are doing it.And the money is not yours neither is it being offered to you.You have no stake in deciding what happens.Its between the players their board and IPL.

Secondly which country's domestic season is being disrupted by BCCI and how long?Tell that please.

Any argument you make where you involve me personally i'm going to throw right out. Your attempt to ridicule my argument based on the pretext that my opinion as a single lone fan is of little significance is just futile. It matters very little how much stake I personally have. I know you're not used to this because you always look for some agenda since you're a biased man yourself, and/or you like to see the world in black and white. But guess what? People can still make arguments without being directly involved in them from all angles.
Also, IPL disrupts the England county season. The mini IPL will disrupt the South African domestic T20 competition in September.


I can only laugh at your ideas of superiority and calling other fans delusions or mindless or whatever.This is a free world everyone has their opinions and ideas,deal with it.

Sure it's a free world, and hence I can only state my opinions against your viewpoints and/or delusions.






Let me tell you again,Your opinions dont matter more than mine or that of any other fan.Come down of whatever high horse you are on.

Sure not in the sense of being opinions, but what you say does have an influence. I'm not on any high horse, but from a moral standpoint, my arguments carry more weight than yours, and I have no personal stake in this unlike yourself. Hence, the bias.




IPL is played just like any other league PSL,BPL BBL CPL etc they are all domestic tournaments they dont have a window in FTP.And even if it did you are no one to decide what stays there what not.

Again with the lone person arguments.

How hard it is to understand?Which part of Indian in Indian Premier League you dont understand?India's league,India's money,India's decision whom to allow who not to.No laws are broken in this.Any sovereign country has the right to decide how they conduct their ties with others.Your whining wont change that.

It seems my previous argument went over your head or you simply ignored it. All you can come up with is that since I have no position of power hence my opinion means very little. And that since India runs all this setup, they get to set the rules regardless of how much influence and benefit they get from international cricket stars or the media. All I can suggest is to set ur bias aside and re-read what I posted, and then try to reflect on that.





Does England generate 80% of revenue?NO.In no other sport one country generates this much money alone.BCCI generates FOUR times of the total revenue generated by all other countries put together.So if they take 4-5 times more money that any one board its not unfair.Ask other boards to bring more revenue and break the monopoly.But they wont,they cant all some boards will do is ask for SPECIAL FUNDS.

What's the relevance of this? Do you really think Ghana contributes even 1/20th of what England contributes to the soccer world revenue wise? Yet all 200+ members of FIFA get $1.3 million each after each FIFA event. Surely England should get a larger piece as they undoubtedly contribute far more than many of these smaller nations, no? But they don't. Try to think about that for a second.

As far as the monopoly goes, no matter what other countries do, they will not raise as much money or even close to as India can mostly due to how large India's economy is thanks to its population. So that's really an illogical request.

AGain which series have been interrupted by IPL?Which players were forced to play IPL againist their will?Which international series was abandoned?IPL doesnt have a window,its played just like PSL or CPl or BPL or BBL,just that BCCI was clever enough to start it before any other league and hence its played during a time when except England no other team has their home season.Even this IPL mini is being played in a window when there is no international games scheduled.STOP WHINING AND CRYING ABOUT IPL THIS IPL THAT JUST BECAUSE YOU HATE INDIA.

Actually yes, there's Aus/SL and Pak ENG series going on in September. As far as series go, do you really think the West Indian players would play for their teams if allowed if IPL was happening at the same time? I highly doubt it. You might blame them for it, but clearly the power of clout and financial strength is something you're not too aware of it seems.

I don't hate india, and it's sad that that is the only argument you can come up with. I have issue with any monopolistic power whether that's corporations or cricket boards or the govt that has no one to regulate or control them--especially those that are as greedy as the BCCI. Inb4 "SJW".



I dont comment on silly speculations.
It seems you only throw around meaningless half trackers that try to deflect my argument simply because it's an "opinion".

You can have issues,IPL isnt bothered.You are no regulatory authority nor your opinion on alleged discrimination matters.you can whine though.

Again with the same crap about lack of authority. There's nothing alleged. Pakistani players aren't allowed, and that's clear cut. You can put a political spin on it if you'd like, but that's the bottom line.

Anyway, it seems I won't convince you, and you won't be convincing me so let's leave it at that.

 

[navitrk2]

so according to you icc= bcci i think it also include aus,england,newzeland,south africa as major members
PCB will never asked for money from bcci so why its bother you i think icc doesn,t belongs to bcci only

Oh my friend if you can't read English please use your friends who cab translate it to you . I told you that pcb is going to ask money from members of ICC where BCCI is also one of the members.[emoji3] [emoji3] [emoji3] [emoji3] [emoji3]

 

[rhony]

Where in US will you hold IPL?

Lot of Indians in NJ/NY, VA/DC, Chicago, anywhere is Texas, Florida etc. There are decent cricket grounds as well.

 

[rhony]

The problem is that the nature of T20 reduces the matches to bowler-less garbage.

You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig.

When the majority are pork fans, there is nothing wrong in serving a pig. The game is played for the fans. In this case, an average Indian who has spare time for a T20 only. Tests and reformatted ODIs are for the rest of us.

Also, The Asia cup in BD showed that T20s can be competitive and enjoyable on bowler friendly surfaces. Spinners ruled in some of the games in T20 WC.

 

[rhony]

There own T20 is failing to compete with the other franchise t20 leagues why would ECB shoot themselves in the foot by inviting BCCI to stage the IPL?

That's because there are no major foreign stars in the ENglish T20 league. Indians, Australians and SOuth Africans pull the crowds to the stadiums and none of them play in the English league.

 

[msb314]

When the majority are pork fans, there is nothing wrong in serving a pig. The game is played for the fans. In this case, an average Indian who has spare time for a T20 only. Tests and reformatted ODIs are for the rest of us.

Also, The Asia cup in BD showed that T20s can be competitive and enjoyable on bowler friendly surfaces. Spinners ruled in some of the games in T20 WC.

Sorry but no.

That Asia Cup was horrifically poor - no enjoyable games whatsoever and the "bowler friendly surfaces" made for some very poor showing by most players.

 

[rhony]

Sorry but no.

That Asia Cup was horrifically poor - no enjoyable games whatsoever and the "bowler friendly surfaces" made for some very poor showing by most players.

As a Pakistan fan, you probably were disheartened with the 80+ all out vs India. But the AMir vs Kohli battle was riveting to say the least. They way UAE performed was inspiring. You need a variety of pitches. Not just a slog fest

 

[rhony]

How hard it is for you to get?You are not deciding anything.You are just another fan.Just like millions who like IPL.Get over your complex.

Again with the same crap about lack of authority. There's nothing alleged. Pakistani players aren't allowed, and that's clear cut. You can put a political spin on it if you'd like, but that's the bottom line.

Anyway, it seems I won't convince you, and you won't be convincing me so let's leave it at that.

You seem to clinging on to the notion that BCCI is depriving the rest of the boards of their fair share of revenue. You also think it's unfair and are afraid that BCCI might officially take over ICC. Your fears are not unfounded. That's exactly what BCCI is trying to do. They are cornering the cricket market like Americans did with Baseball, Basketball. The way Europeans cornered the football market. South AMerican countries have amazing teams but the revenue they generate is pittance when compared to Europe. Most of the SOuth American stars play in Europe. Heck, Neymar wasn't allowed by Barca to play in the Copa America Centenario because they thought Copa along with Olympics will be too much for him. That's the level of control the clubs have on their players in football. Brazilian fans were upset but their board was happy that he could atleast play in the olympics. Now wake up and smell the coffee. BCCI is going to do exactly the same thing with cricket. We have Big 3 now. If England or Australia don't generate enough cash, there will be a BIG 1 or Big 2. BCCI is ruthless and they are right to do so in their best interests. As a general cricket fan, you might be disappointed but will get used to it. Now a days, no one cares about international football friendlies and the fans got used to club football.

 

[big_gamer007]

[MENTION=139843]IcedCoffee[/MENTION]


I'll try and refrain from being rude so in simple terms everyone has their own preferences if majority people like T20s at this moment then it's their choice you don't have to call them names.. If you like tests it does not make you superior try and respect everyone's choice without using such words.. Others can use the same for you and trust me compared to T20 fans tests fans have achieved absolutely nothing in their lives..!!

 

[#GreenRoars]

Kyun ji?

Don't they have some security issues in UAE?

 

[#GreenRoars]

Good for BCCI and Indian cricket.

 

[#GreenRoars]

Our C grade tamasha teams are stronger than some international sides. Must be a high-quality tamasha.

And i think some of the IPL teams are better than your International T20I team. Hope next time India will send his IPL team to Zimbabwe

 

[Zak_Fan]

And i think some of the IPL teams are better than your International T20I team. Hope next time India will send his IPL team to Zimbabwe

Exactly. So IPL is definitely a high-quality Tamasha.. isn't it?

 

[RamLakhan]

The future of Cricket is T20
("All People" on the globe today are behind money today except few saints! And it is not just BCCI or any other board). Hence Saints (maybe Pakistan Board and its fans) will continue to watch & support Test Cricket as they don't have any other options. Actually instead of hating this, they can also work their way out to compete in the business network and be a part of it. For instance England and Australia as countries are so forward compared to India, but still in the Cricket Business they are behind India and they have accepted it and working their way out, instead of cribbing like Pakistan.

Pakistan can do their own business or remain as saints (playing Test Cricket) instead of blaming and criticizing BCCI for everything. Why would BCCI worry to play with Pakistan in bilaterals with political risks (they did this in 80s, 90s as there were no other options to make money) when they are easily making much much money with their own clubs. If BCCI works out cricket in Sharjah that is also considered as anti-Pakistani agenda, this is just laughable! When one entity is working & thinking in terms of money, the other is remaining backward & thinking so emotionally as always! How the hell is BCCI is anti-Pakistani? If they were so, they would not have allowed Pakistani commentators, coaches and even umpires in IPL? Just that they don't want controversies and unnecessary headaches! (Some players & umpires from Pakistan are so succumb to match/spot fixing! That doesn't mean Indian players/umpires are clean! But it is our nation, we will find the mistakes & penalize & sort out ourselves!)

I am afraid the future of Cricket is "Clubs" (If T20 continues its success and attracts masses). Bilaterals might get totally scrapped or become occasional. Only world cups will be nation vs. nation events like Soccer! To combat this and to restore the interest in Cricket (rather than being anti-Indian) Pakistan can take a bold initiative to retain the "Cricket Culture" (as they believe) by working out with boards of similar interest (England) and become a rebel to India in this way (instead of just cribbing & criticizing)

 

[HitWicket]

That's because there are no major foreign stars in the ENglish T20 league. Indians, Australians and SOuth Africans pull the crowds to the stadiums and none of them play in the English league.

Someone like a Chris Gayle would attract a lot more casual attention than more or less any Australian or South African over here in reality.