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Pakistan was given the hosting rights for the six-nation tournament at an Asian Cricket Council (ACC) meeting in Lahore on October 29 which BCCI did not attend. But sources say BCCI has taken strong objection to the decision and communicated the same at the recently-held ACC meeting in Dubai. The BCCI's main grouse is that it was not consulted before announcing the venue for the event in which India are also supposed to take part.

With India not ready to send a team to Pakistan, it will be interesting to see how ACC handles this issue. With Sri Lanka committing to send it's team to Pakistan and committed to even sending the national team and under-19 sides, it is unlikely that Pakistan would eventually stage the event.

International cricket is almost non-existent in Pakistan after the terror attack on the Sri Lankan team bus in Lahore during the 2009 tour. It was eight years after that attack earlier this year that Sri Lanka sent a team to Pakistan to signal the revival of international cricket in the troubled nation.
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BCCI is completely against PCB and Pakistan. For good reason though, their Govt. wants to avoid and "isolate" Pakistan at all costs and it would be ironic if they continued to play Pakistan or support Pakistani cricket after issuing such statements.
 
LOL. Yeah! How dare Pakistan get a tournament and an opportunity to make money! All tournaments should be held in India for the benefit of India!
 
BCCI is a bully and all bullies suffer the same fate in the end - they get put in their place.
 
If the BCCI withdraws, let alone profits, can the tournament make enough $$ to make ends meet? I am sure there will be a huge $$ hole to fill without the BCCI.
 
BCCI is a bully and all bullies suffer the same fate in the end - they get put in their place.

I have been hearing this (or something similar) on this forum for a decade. Nothing has changed. The people who should be forcing the change are just doing nothing. In fact they seem to be perfectly happy toeing the line to line their pockets with $$.
 
If the BCCI withdraws, let alone profits, can the tournament make enough $$ to make ends meet? I am sure there will be a huge $$ hole to fill without the BCCI.

Pakistanis filled the stadium when Zimbabwe came so we can expect full stadiums with Afg/BD/SL.
 
Pakistanis filled the stadium when Zimbabwe came so we can expect full stadiums with Afg/BD/SL.

Thats great, but what about the TV deal? That is where the real money is made. The broadcasting and digital rights is what pays the bills and makes profits. The gate receipts are just a very small % of total revenue.

I think the TV deal will be worth a lot less, if BCCI is not there. Which in turn will have an effect on the bottom line.
 
Why would they not consult a member about something, though?
 
Backstabbers.

Anyways hopefully our boys will smack 'em around next time as well.

It does not work that way. The question is how to get money to survive. Let's say Pak wins against Ind next 10 important tournament matches consecutively but if PCB do not make much money, it will become difficult to survive.
 
Backstabbers.

Anyways hopefully our boys will smack 'em around next time as well.

Just like we did on Eid day on June the 18th:

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Some posters are really getting frustrated.
Due to indian government's policy bcci is unable to visit pak or even organize a bilateral. BCCI is not a bully, the problem is politics hope u understand.
 
Some posters are really getting frustrated.
Due to indian government's policy bcci is unable to visit pak or even organize a bilateral. BCCI is not a bully, the problem is politics hope u understand.

Not visiting is your problem.... but BCCI wants to move it away from Pakistan.

Either attend the event or shut up about it.
 
Some posters are really getting frustrated.
Due to indian government's policy bcci is unable to visit pak or even organize a bilateral. BCCI is not a bully, the problem is politics hope u understand.

No we don't because India plays Pak in ICC tournaments so this is a conscious decision to undermine Pakistan at every opportunity.

Anyways we have had the last laugh we are champions trophy winners. Keep up the hate.
 
They don't want to attend it is thier problem.

Disagree. When the BCCI has a problem, it becomes everyone's problem. Because all the boards want $$, and BCCI is the way to get it. So when BCCI does not attend an event it becomes the other boards problem as the revenues they are looking for by staging an event will not come to fruition.

So unfortunately, unless and until the other boards learn to become self sufficient, it will be status quo.
 
Disagree. When the BCCI has a problem, it becomes everyone's problem. Because all the boards want $$, and BCCI is the way to get it. So when BCCI does not attend an event it becomes the other boards problem as the revenues they are looking for by staging an event will not come to fruition.

So unfortunately, unless and until the other boards learn to become self sufficient, it will be status quo.

We shall see
 
No we don't because India plays Pak in ICC tournaments so this is a conscious decision to undermine Pakistan at every opportunity.

Anyways we have had the last laugh we are champions trophy winners. Keep up the hate.

Maybe...maybe not. But unless the PCB shows willingness to change things, it will remain status quo. This goes not just for the PCB but other boards as well.

The boards need to show a willingness to stand on their own without BCCI $$ dependency. But this is not happening anytime soon.
 
BCCI proving why the compensation claim needs to go ahead ruthlessly
 
Some posters are really getting frustrated.
Due to indian government's policy bcci is unable to visit pak or even organize a bilateral. BCCI is not a bully, the problem is politics hope u understand.

Nah, it sounds more like BCCI policy than Indian govt policy. Even if there is no Indian govt policy, the BCCI behind the scenes lobbies for an no Cricket with Pakistan policy with the Indian govt. BCCI needs to be sued to be kept in check.
 
It's a futile exercise. Nothing gonna come out of it.

Nothing would ever happen on this planet and great people would never have accomplished anything had they kept believing that "it is a futile exercise, nothing is going to come out of it"
 
Maybe...maybe not. But unless the PCB shows willingness to change things, it will remain status quo. This goes not just for the PCB but other boards as well.

The boards need to show a willingness to stand on their own without BCCI $$ dependency. But this is not happening anytime soon.

Dont fool yourself with the dependency argument. You know very well that Pak cricket is doing great without any Indian money. Recognize that your board is consciously trying to undermine us..too bad it's not working though
 
Not visiting is your problem.... but BCCI wants to move it away from Pakistan.

Either attend the event or shut up about it.


BCCI is a ACC member and it will voice its concerns to ACC.ACC is free to go ahead with the event without Indian participation.
 
Nothing would ever happen on this planet and great people would never have accomplished anything had they kept believing that "it is a futile exercise, nothing is going to come out of it"

We can only presume the outcome? It's even more futile to discuss what has been nailed to death!
 
Nothing would ever happen on this planet and great people would never have accomplished anything had they kept believing that "it is a futile exercise, nothing is going to come out of it"

Bro before we even saw the MoU their argument was 'Oh where is the Mou? We didn't sign anything. Show us the signed agreement' and now that it's out in the public they are denying it's legality. Some Indian posters here are a bunch of hypocrites and will say anything to defend their board. Don't take them seriously,
 
Dont fool yourself with the dependency argument. You know very well that Pak cricket is doing great without any Indian money. Recognize that your board is consciously trying to undermine us..too bad it's not working though

We can see that, that's why PCB is dying to play with India.
 
Dont fool yourself with the dependency argument. You know very well that Pak cricket is doing great without any Indian money. Recognize that your board is consciously trying to undermine us..too bad it's not working though

If pcb is doing so well, why the constant begging for a series?When that is refused then you threaten ICC to award you compensation.
 
We can see that, that's why PCB is dying to play with India.

Lol yeh we're dying to play you, keep telling yourself that. The only thing we're dying to see is to whoop your boys in international tournaments. Now your board has a problem with those as well
 
Dont fool yourself with the dependency argument. You know very well that Pak cricket is doing great without any Indian money. Recognize that your board is consciously trying to undermine us..too bad it's not working though

I guess the only way to test would be if the Asian cup is conducted without BCCI.
 
Bro before we even saw the MoU their argument was 'Oh where is the Mou? We didn't sign anything. Show us the signed agreement' and now that it's out in the public they are denying it's legality. Some Indian posters here are a bunch of hypocrites and will say anything to defend their board. Don't take them seriously,

Indian posters dont matter, they are drunk with the fact that Indian Cricket is a financial super power vis a vis the rest of the world and having a Virat Kohli and the best Indian talent in history at their disposal. Hopefully the PCB under Najam Sethi will no longer let the BCCI get away with things like the PCB under Zaka Ashraf, Nasim Ashraf, Ijaz Butt did
 
Dont fool yourself with the dependency argument. You know very well that Pak cricket is doing great without any Indian money. Recognize that your board is consciously trying to undermine us..too bad it's not working though

They why beg BCCI for a tour every second day? it just puts down whole Pakistan when they have to beg their enemies to survive..
 
If pcb is doing so well, why the constant begging for a series?When that is refused then you threaten ICC to award you compensation.

Buddy you've been commenting on this saga for much longer than I have. You know your board promised series in return for our support. There is no begging we are just trying to get you to honour your words. PCB has been very TRANSPARENT throughout this dispute. We gave you a chance first to honour your words and even went to India for this. Your guys shrugged it off. So now obviously we're gonna take it further in the ICC, what else do they have a dispute resolution committee for?
In the end if you don't honour your words it doesn't impact our cricket in anyway but we are in the right here and we won't let your bully board dictate terms to us. Wake up we are your check and balance BCCI!
 
Dont fool yourself with the dependency argument. You know very well that Pak cricket is doing great without any Indian money. Recognize that your board is consciously trying to undermine us..too bad it's not working though

Still begging to play with India???
 
They why beg BCCI for a tour every second day? it just puts down whole Pakistan when they have to beg their enemies to survive..

So when your BCCI doesn't honour it's written words it puts whole of of India down as hypocrites..
 
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Indian posters dont matter, they are drunk with the fact that Indian Cricket is a financial super power vis a vis the rest of the world and having a Virat Kohli and the best Indian talent in history at their disposal. Hopefully the PCB under Najam Sethi will no longer let the BCCI get away with things like the PCB under Zaka Ashraf, Nasim Ashraf, Ijaz Butt did

Actually Mr. Sethi is committing the same mistake that the others before him have. Being BCCI dependent for PCB's revenues rather than the Pakistani fans.

I think he needs to focus more on marketing the product at hand, negotiating better TV deals, harnessing the revenue potential of digital content and tapping new markets to increase revenues. These will lead the PCB to be not only self sufficient but also grow and prosper. But sadly he is focusing on and arbitrary $70 million and wasting precious resources that could be better spent elsewhere.
 
They why beg BCCI for a tour every second day? it just puts down whole Pakistan when they have to beg their enemies to survive..

We gave you a chance to amicably honour your words. But laaton me bhoot, baaton se nahi maante
 
So when your BCCI doesn't honour it's written words should we consider all of India hypocrites?

learn the difference between a MOU and a contract.. 100s of MOUs are signed and very few of them actually go to the contract stage and even fewer gets executed. Chances of an MOUs getting executed is less than 10% from my personal experience, having been part of numerous proposals and MOUs. In our organization we don't even allocate a shared resource until a formal contract is signed.. only naive businessman go around waving MOUs when MOUs mean absolutely nothing most of the time
 
We gave you a chance to amicably honour your words. But laaton me bhoot, baaton se nahi maante

you are talking as if PCB won a court case and BCCI top brass is about to go to prison for breaking their words.. again learn the difference between a MOU and a contract. even with a contract in place there are exit clauses and Force majeure clauses.
 
learn the difference between a MOU and a contract.. 100s of MOUs are signed and very few of them actually go to the contract stage and even fewer gets executed. Chances of an MOUs getting executed is less than 10% from my personal experience, having been part of numerous proposals and MOUs. In our organization we don't even allocate a shared resource until a formal contract is signed.. only naive businessman go around waving MOUs when MOUs mean absolutely nothing most of the time

Oh great, here's another Indian who is an expert in contract law. What's your experience like?? Do you have 22 MoUs under your belt like the other guy
 
you are talking as if PCB won a court case and BCCI top brass is about to go to prison for breaking their words.. again learn the difference between a MOU and a contract. even with a contract in place there are exit clauses and Force majeure clauses.

Please Mr. Expert show us these clauses in the concerned MoU
 
Buddy you've been commenting on this saga for much longer than I have. You know your board promised series in return for our support. There is no begging we are just trying to get you to honour your words. PCB has been very TRANSPARENT throughout this dispute. We gave you a chance first to honour your words and even went to India for this. Your guys shrugged it off. So now obviously we're gonna take it further in the ICC, what else do they have a dispute resolution committee for?
In the end if you don't honour your words it doesn't impact our cricket in anyway but we are in the right here and we won't let your bully board dictate terms to us. Wake up we are your check and balance BCCI!

I have tell you that an MOU is not binding in any shape of form. There is nothing there to be honored. In fact it is usually not worth the paper it's printed on. At least that is the case in here (United States).

There has to specific language in the MOU for it to be binding. Which in majority of cases aren't. A contract is what is binding. But regardless, we will have to wait for the resolution committee verdict. I do not see this going PCB's way though.
 
Oh great, here's another Indian who is an expert in contract law. What's your experience like?? Do you have 22 MoUs under your belt like the other guy

yes, and i do have more than a decade and half experience. any problems with that? you don't have to take my or any other person word. go to a lawyer and consult yourself. if you don't want to pay for consultation go ahead and research online.. research how many MOUs your govt/local govt/etc signed and find out how many of them have been executed. it happens all the time.. if you think every MOU results in a executed project then you are really naive and don't have any real world experience.
 
Please Mr. Expert show us these clauses in the concerned MoU

first lesson. BCCI have to do nothing. It is PCB which is accusing BCCI of having broken some mythical MOU. It is PCB's job to provide evidence for their accusation.. they can go to wherever they agreed their jurisdiction...
 
Guys this reaction is understandable considering the phainti we dished out to their sorry behinds last time.
 
you are talking as if PCB won a court case and BCCI top brass is about to go to prison for breaking their words.. again learn the difference between a MOU and a contract. even with a contract in place there are exit clauses and Force majeure clauses.
It's about the premise of the MOU. The PCB was stupid enough to sign an MOU without either a letter-head or a formal stamp. But at the end of the day the BCCI did go back on it's word knowing full well that the Indian government would never have allowed bilateral cricket with Pakistan. It's bad faith, no matter how stupid and gullible the PCB has been in this whole matter.
 
I have tell you that an MOU is not binding in any shape of form. There is nothing there to be honored. In fact it is usually not worth the paper it's printed on. At least that is the case in here (United States).

There has to specific language in the MOU for it to be binding. Which in majority of cases aren't. A contract is what is binding. But regardless, we will have to wait for the resolution committee verdict. I do not see this going PCB's way though.


any well written contract has an exit clause and Force majeure clause.. as long as you keep to what is there in the contract then there is very little that can be done

I am not supporting BCCI or PCB here. none of us have seen full MOU, only that letter that is supposed to be written by BCCI. that letter has absolutely nothing apart from an intent to play multiple series.. My point is if you are claiming that letter/MOU constitutes a legally binding document you are mistaken. Also, if it is GOI policy not to let any bilateral series between India/Pak then there is nothing anyone can do about it. GOP can work with GOI to change the policy but none of the International courts will have a jurisdiction on a sovereign government's foreign policy. When international courts will have no jurisdiction, then expecting that ICC will have it is laughable

Go ahead and sue BCCI if
- BCCI has signed a legally binding contract
- if none of the exit clauses/ Force majeure clauses apply to current scenario
- BCCI is wriggling out of its contractual obligations..

otherwise it is just hot air and venting their frustration for lost opportunity
 
any well written contract has an exit clause and Force majeure clause.. as long as you keep to what is there in the contract then there is very little that can be done

I am not supporting BCCI or PCB here. none of us have seen full MOU, only that letter that is supposed to be written by BCCI. that letter has absolutely nothing apart from an intent to play multiple series.. My point is if you are claiming that letter/MOU constitutes a legally binding document you are mistaken. Also, if it is GOI policy not to let any bilateral series between India/Pak then there is nothing anyone can do about it. GOP can work with GOI to change the policy but none of the International courts will have a jurisdiction on a sovereign government's foreign policy. When international courts will have no jurisdiction, then expecting that ICC will have it is laughable

Go ahead and sue BCCI if
- BCCI has signed a legally binding contract
- if none of the exit clauses/ Force majeure clauses apply to current scenario
- BCCI is wriggling out of its contractual obligations..

otherwise it is just hot air and venting their frustration for lost opportunity
As far as the MOU is concerned, it is a worthless piece of paper with absolutely no value. The PCB is just trying to cover it's tracks for the massive blunder they made at that point. All this hoopla is just a show, when any half-decent lawyer could have a look at that 'MOU' and dismiss the case at that very moment.

That does not detract from the fact that BCCI did deal in bad faith just to get a vote. BCCI had full knowledge of the fact that Modi's government will never allow for any sporting relations with Pakistan (which only applied to cricket for quite a while).
 
any well written contract has an exit clause and Force majeure clause.. as long as you keep to what is there in the contract then there is very little that can be done

I am not supporting BCCI or PCB here. none of us have seen full MOU, only that letter that is supposed to be written by BCCI. that letter has absolutely nothing apart from an intent to play multiple series.. My point is if you are claiming that letter/MOU constitutes a legally binding document you are mistaken. Also, if it is GOI policy not to let any bilateral series between India/Pak then there is nothing anyone can do about it. GOP can work with GOI to change the policy but none of the International courts will have a jurisdiction on a sovereign government's foreign policy. When international courts will have no jurisdiction, then expecting that ICC will have it is laughable

Go ahead and sue BCCI if
- BCCI has signed a legally binding contract
- if none of the exit clauses/ Force majeure clauses apply to current scenario
- BCCI is wriggling out of its contractual obligations..

otherwise it is just hot air and venting their frustration for lost opportunity

What I meant to say was enforceable.

Spot on with rest of your points.
 
As far as the MOU is concerned, it is a worthless piece of paper with absolutely no value. The PCB is just trying to cover it's tracks for the massive blunder they made at that point. All this hoopla is just a show, when any half-decent lawyer could have a look at that 'MOU' and dismiss the case at that very moment.

That does not detract from the fact that BCCI did deal in bad faith just to get a vote. BCCI had full knowledge of the fact that Modi's government will never allow for any sporting relations with Pakistan (which only applied to cricket for quite a while).

Actually I don't think Modi was even elected when this was signed. Perhaps someone with knowledge on Indian politics can clarify.
 
It's about the premise of the MOU. The PCB was stupid enough to sign an MOU without either a letter-head or a formal stamp. But at the end of the day the BCCI did go back on it's word knowing full well that the Indian government would never have allowed bilateral cricket with Pakistan. It's bad faith, no matter how stupid and gullible the PCB has been in this whole matter.

PCB wasn't stupid, they had no choice because big 3 changes would have gone through with or without PCB's support. Signing the MOU was just a face saving exercise for them.
 
As far as the MOU is concerned, it is a worthless piece of paper with absolutely no value. The PCB is just trying to cover it's tracks for the massive blunder they made at that point. All this hoopla is just a show, when any half-decent lawyer could have a look at that 'MOU' and dismiss the case at that very moment.

That does not detract from the fact that BCCI did deal in bad faith just to get a vote. BCCI had full knowledge of the fact that Modi's government will never allow for any sporting relations with Pakistan (which only applied to cricket for quite a while).

I don't think they even got that vote. if I remember correctly Pakistan and Srilanka abstained and the big three went through with 8-0 or something like that
 
PCB wasn't stupid, they had no choice because big 3 changes would have gone through with or without PCB's support. Signing the MOU was just a face saving exercise for them.
I did watch cricket at that time so please don't try to tell me what happened. If I remember correctly, ICC had made it clear that it needed all full members' vote for the Big Three proposal to go ahead. Pakistan and South Africa were the last two countries to sign the agreement. Whether the proposal had gotten through without the aforementioned countries' support, we don't know. But at the time there was a massive stand-off, with Zaka Ashraf (the then PCB chairman) not agreeing at all to the demands. Don't really remember South Africa's concerns.
 
I don't think they even got that vote. if I remember correctly Pakistan and Srilanka abstained and the big three went through with 8-0 or something like that
Think it was South Africa. Sri Lanka initially made a bit of noise but did eventually vote. Pakistan and South Africa had the biggest gripe with this proposal.
 
As far as the MOU is concerned, it is a worthless piece of paper with absolutely no value. The PCB is just trying to cover it's tracks for the massive blunder they made at that point. All this hoopla is just a show, when any half-decent lawyer could have a look at that 'MOU' and dismiss the case at that very moment.

That does not detract from the fact that BCCI did deal in bad faith just to get a vote. BCCI had full knowledge of the fact that Modi's government will never allow for any sporting relations with Pakistan (which only applied to cricket for quite a while).

https://www.dawn.com/news/1085696 the vote happened before Modi even came to power.
 
I did watch cricket at that time so please don't try to tell me what happened. If I remember correctly, ICC had made it clear that it needed all full members' vote for the Big Three proposal to go ahead. Pakistan and South Africa were the last two countries to sign the agreement. Whether the proposal had gotten through without the aforementioned countries' support, we don't know. But at the time there was a massive stand-off, with Zaka Ashraf (the then PCB chairman) not agreeing at all to the demands. Don't really remember South Africa's concerns.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1085696

Pakistan, Sri lanka and SA all had issues with that proposal. Big three needed 8 out of 10 permanent boards votes to go through. Pakistan and Sri Lanka abstained and SA voted in favor. So PCB vote was not required..
 
Guys this reaction is understandable considering the phainti we dished out to their sorry behinds last time.

Do you think BCCI even care for one loss? Its all about money bro. If loses were bothersome to BCCI, they wont frequently visit AUS/SA/ENG.
 
We need to beat their useless team like the CT Final. These guys are just pathetic and like to blame all their problems on us.
 
Buddy you've been commenting on this saga for much longer than I have. You know your board promised series in return for our support. There is no begging we are just trying to get you to honour your words. PCB has been very TRANSPARENT throughout this dispute. We gave you a chance first to honour your words and even went to India for this. Your guys shrugged it off. So now obviously we're gonna take it further in the ICC, what else do they have a dispute resolution committee for?
In the end if you don't honour your words it doesn't impact our cricket in anyway but we are in the right here and we won't let your bully board dictate terms to us. Wake up we are your check and balance BCCI!

Well said, PCB are not begging, they are asking for their right. What are they supposed to do, just roll over and shut shop? the BCCI would love that.
 
I love how BCCI defenders keep harping that if India doesn't participate there will be no revenue. Reality check princess. Pakistan itself has a pop of 200+ million and BAD has 150+ million plus Lanka and Afghanistan. We don't need to have India to have a financially viable tournament.

You guys can sit and sulk at home.
 
I love how BCCI defenders keep harping that if India doesn't participate there will be no revenue. Reality check princess. Pakistan itself has a pop of 200+ million and BAD has 150+ million plus Lanka and Afghanistan. We don't need to have India to have a financially viable tournament.

You guys can sit and sulk at home.

Great thoughts, try to tell the people at PCB please.
 
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