BCCI opposes Pakistan hosting Asian Cricket Council event

[Gubol123]

Well said, PCB are not begging, they are asking for their right. What are they supposed to do, just roll over and shut shop? the BCCI would love that.

when you sign a contract you have specific rights that the contract provides for you. No other piece of paper will give you any rights.. Playing with India (your proclaimed enemy) is not your fundamental right. Show a valid and executable contract then insist on your rights. Better yet, take your valid contract to any court having jurisdiction over both the parties and sue BCCI. anything else is just hot air

 

[Gubol123]

I love how BCCI defenders keep harping that if India doesn't participate there will be no revenue. Reality check princess. Pakistan itself has a pop of 200+ million and BAD has 150+ million plus Lanka and Afghanistan. We don't need to have India to have a financially viable tournament.

You guys can sit and sulk at home.

Which is true and what i have been saying all along. PAK/BD(especially) don't need BCCI. Go ahead and organize tournament and mint money. I am all for more boards having financial stability and not living under BCCI reign.

Talking about sulking, only board which has been sulking, because they have not played India, is PCB. Whether India wins or loses they have their calendar packed and their cricketers don't have to run to Uganda to make money and get a game. BCCI also doesn't have to contract out its players to all and sundry for pitiful amount of money to stay afloat. And Indian fans don't have to sulk because if they lose something today there is something else coming tomorrow/next week.

 

[Rana]

learn the difference between a MOU and a contract.. 100s of MOUs are signed and very few of them actually go to the contract stage and even fewer gets executed. Chances of an MOUs getting executed is less than 10% from my personal experience, having been part of numerous proposals and MOUs. In our organization we don't even allocate a shared resource until a formal contract is signed.. only naive businessman go around waving MOUs when MOUs mean absolutely nothing most of the time

So BCCI are basically snakes who lie? No one can trust their word until they are legally bound through a contract? Says a lot about this honourable board

 

[Gubol123]

So BCCI are basically snakes who lie? No one can trust their word until they are legally bound through a contract? Says a lot about this honourable board

you are naive if you think any two commercial entities will do any business together without a contract. That is true about every one of them. And if your stance is that those entities who don't honor MOU's are "Snakes who lie" then more or less every successful entity is a "snake who lies".. I have worked with vendors and other organizations for one and half decade and there is not a single organization/instance where every single MOU ever signed has been executed.. Not a single one...

By the way the "snakes who lie" definition would apply to PCB first as they did not vote for the big three.. they abstained and reneged from whatever agreement they had

 

[Rana]

you are naive if you think any two commercial entities will do any business together without a contract. That is true about every one of them. And if your stance is that those entities who don't honor MOU's are "Snakes who lie" then more or less every successful entity is a "snake who lies".. I have worked with vendors and other organizations for one and half decade and there is not a single organization/instance where every single MOU ever signed has been executed.. Not a single one...

By the way the "snakes who lie" definition would apply to PCB first as they did not vote for the big three.. they abstained and reneged from whatever agreement they had

Amazing. The defenders of such a board. You won't admit that this board is lying but you have a viable justification only suitable to yourself and Indian fans. Bravo!

 

[Gubol123]

no one is lying.. only people who are dancing around is PCB and their fans.. as i said your definition of snakes who lie applies to PCB first as they abstained from voting even after getting the requested bribe..

 

[Rana]

Defininition of Freedom of speech in my life these days,

Reading posts on PP defending a tyrannical board such as the BCCI

 

[NoBallZombie]

A few points to summarize the whole discussion:

1. BCCI has done nothing wrong. They verbally (and in an MOU) said they will play Pakistan and now they are saying they won’t. It is ok to lie.
2. It is ok to involve politics in sports (and no it doesnt go against the spirit of the game) and boycott countries because they are “enemies” off the field.
3. In today’s world, people who take others to court for any grievances is equal to begging.

I am sure there are a lot of well educated Indians posting on this forum and i am honestly shocked and surprised at the hate metted out towards Pakistan where all we are after is a good, competitive game of cricket. People who keep talking about the bcci financial power, what are you guys going to do when there is no other country playing cricket due to your board’s atrocious policies? There are already a limited number of teams, so not sure how bccis policy benefits cricket.

 

[Gubol123]

A few points to summarize the whole discussion:

1. BCCI has done nothing wrong. They verbally (and in an MOU) said they will play Pakistan and now they are saying they won’t. It is ok to lie.

Ofcourse BCCI has done nothing wrong. They agreed to play and prevailing circumstances have not made it possible for them to do so. It is not like PCB held on to their end of the bargain. they reneged from their promise to vote, So if you want to highlight someone's failure to stick to what they promised remember to bring PCB first.

2. It is ok to involve politics in sports (and no it doesnt go against the spirit of the game) and boycott countries because they are “enemies” off the field.

don't forget all the decades when Pakistan/PCB did the same to India. Remember whole world boycotted RSA due to politics and England still does not tour Zimbabwe. So yes, politics is interwoven in sports and PCB as much to blame for it as others PCB was doing it couple of decades earlier

3. In today’s world, people who take others to court for any grievances is equal to begging.

People who go to court and fight it out know their rights and have my respect. Those who talk to press once a week are called whiners. Yes it is begging when you have been told multiple times BCCI/India won't play. You have your option to go to courts, which PCB should exercise. Any board with ounce of self respect would have dragged BCCI to court by this time. But you cannot expect anything from a board which will contract its best players to all and sundry for a pitiful amount of money

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am sure there are a lot of well educated Indians posting on this forum and i am honestly shocked and surprised at the hate metted out towards Pakistan where all we are after is a good, competitive game of cricket. People who keep talking about the bcci financial power, what are you guys going to do when there is no other country playing cricket due to your board’s atrocious policies? There are already a limited number of teams, so not sure how bccis policy benefits cricket.

Only country/board which has shown hate is Pakistan/PCB. PCB worked hard again IPL, than to move world cup, world t20 from India. On one hand you want to hate and decimate your enemies and another hand you want to profit from them. Hypocrisy at its best.

Regarding the BCCI financial power it has none as proclaimed multiple times on this forum. as one of the poster mentioned above Pakistan is a country of 200 Million people. there is nothing stopping you from becoming a financial powerhouse and dictate your own terms. If there is no other country playing cricket, Indian cricket fans will move on to IPL and if that fails some other sport. There are multiple options for a sports lover in India. World won't come to an end because there are no international cricket matches.

 

[USofA]

I love how BCCI defenders keep harping that if India doesn't participate there will be no revenue. Reality check princess. Pakistan itself has a pop of 200+ million and BAD has 150+ million plus Lanka and Afghanistan. We don't need to have India to have a financially viable tournament.

You guys can sit and sulk at home.

You are absolutely right. PCB, BCB, SLC et all should go ahead without BCCI. They should be more independent in their approach and thinking. This will make them more self reliant.

But unfortunately the people in power and the ones in control do not have the bold thinking that you do. They keep circling back to BCCI $$.

 

[Rana]

A few points to summarize the whole discussion:

1. BCCI has done nothing wrong. They verbally (and in an MOU) said they will play Pakistan and now they are saying they won’t. It is ok to lie.
2. It is ok to involve politics in sports (and no it doesnt go against the spirit of the game) and boycott countries because they are “enemies” off the field.
3. In today’s world, people who take others to court for any grievances is equal to begging.

I am sure there are a lot of well educated Indians posting on this forum and i am honestly shocked and surprised at the hate metted out towards Pakistan where all we are after is a good, competitive game of cricket. People who keep talking about the bcci financial power, what are you guys going to do when there is no other country playing cricket due to your board’s atrocious policies? There are already a limited number of teams, so not sure how bccis policy benefits cricket.

They have done nothing wrong because according to a guy that works in some firm sees hundreds of Mou's never materialise. Its a common thing in India apparently to sign an MOU and not go ahead with an agreement

 

[Allblacks2019]

They have done nothing wrong because according to a guy that works in some firm sees hundreds of Mou's never materialise. Its a common thing in India apparently to sign an MOU and not go ahead with an agreement

Its a common thing in the business world for a vast majority of MOU's to just shrivel and die. I'm surprised that this is news to many PP posters.

 

[Gubol123]

They have done nothing wrong because according to a guy that works in some firm sees hundreds of Mou's never materialise. Its a common thing in India apparently to sign an MOU and not go ahead with an agreement

No they have done wrong because a guy who doesn't seem to have seen a MOU in his life says they have done wrong. BCCI is also wrong because all MOUs materialize according to the same guy who doesn't seem to have seen a MOU in his life. at the same time the same person ignores that their own board reneged and did not vote in favor of something they were asking that bribe
#LogicDiedANaturalDeath

 

[Gubol123]

Its a common thing in the business world for a vast majority of MOU's to just shrivel and die. I'm surprised that this is news to many PP posters.

MOU's are singed and torn off every day. even if it goes to a contracting stage there are exit clauses and other way out.. Sometimes i doubt if some of these posters have even signed a rental agreement. Even that has all kinds of exit clauses for both parties... May be they are typing this from their parent's basement and don't have to worry about real world.

Let me repeat for your sake, In business world vast majority of MOUs go to back shelf to die. they are not worth the paper it is printed on. Some of them do get into to contract and become legally valid and enforceable. There are many instances where we even given up legally enforceable contracts as it is not worth it to pursue. You don't have to trust some guy typing on the internet on a public forum. Do your own research in your company. if you don't have a real job ask your elders. they will tell you

If PCB has an enforceable contract they should take it to the court. They should do whatever it takes to enforce it. They are absolutely within their right to do it

 

[Rana]

No they have done wrong because a guy who doesn't seem to have seen a MOU in his life says they have done wrong. BCCI is also wrong because all MOUs materialize according to the same guy who doesn't seem to have seen a MOU in his life. at the same time the same person ignores that their own board reneged and did not vote in favor of something they were asking that bribe
#LogicDiedANaturalDeath

Youve seen plenty of MOUs, plenty of liars right?

 

[Gubol123]

Youve seen plenty of MOUs, plenty of liars right?

i have seen plenty of MOUs and plenty of businessmen. Calling someone a liar because their MOUs did not pan out is childish. May be it is over your head, but that is not how the real world works. Moreover as i have said multiple times your board already reneged from their end of the bargain. So yes i have seen a liar, PCB.

Catch you later, got to attend a meeting. Real world one.. Fun as it is to argue about a non existing contract, i prefer to working on a real one myself. Good day to you

 

[Rana]

i have seen plenty of MOUs and plenty of businessmen. Calling someone a liar because their MOUs did not pan out is childish. May be it is over your head, but that is not how the real world works. Moreover as i have said multiple times your board already reneged from their end of the bargain. So yes i have seen a liar, PCB.

Catch you later, got to attend a meeting. Real world one.. Fun as it is to argue about a non existing contract, i prefer to working on a real one myself. Good day to you

Cocky like your board.

You have only seen one liar here and that is PCB. That says it all about you. Are you off to attend a meeting where you will con someone as it is normal? Or get conned as it may be normal for you to experience this on a routine basis?

The world I have seen, a Gentleman's world is final and respected. If BCCI conned the PCB and the PCB trusted their word for it, it really shows how low the BCCI has stooped in terms of business as well.

Yeah con the lower party as it wont come back to bite you, and keep it cool with the big sharks as we need them to maintain our financial superiority.

 

[Rana]

According to Chulbul's logic here...

BCCI signed an agreement which was not legally binding and chose to retract for no valid reason, but they are not liars as this is common

PCB are liars on the other hand....








Ive seen it all!

 

[Allblacks2019]

According to Chulbul's logic here...

BCCI signed an agreement which was not legally binding and chose to retract for no valid reason, but they are not liars as this is common

PCB are liars on the other hand....

Ive seen it all!

When in Rome and all that good stuff. Probably more like when dealing with Romans.

Besides, if PCB stood true to its words, it should have voted with BCCI in the 2017 vote. you know the one where rest of ICC got together to try and screw BCCI?

 

[Rana]

When in Rome and all that good stuff. Probably more like when dealing with Romans.

Besides, if PCB stood true to its words, it should have voted with BCCI in the 2017 vote. you know the one where rest of ICC got together to try and screw BCCI?

Oh so if we failed to hunt down the lion, it will come back to hunt us? Is that what the BCCI is?

They have done more to be detrimental to PCB's cause than what PCB has ever done. It sickens me to think that BCCI genuinely holds PCB accountable for the Taj attacks.

 

[BaankeJi]

BCCI don't have any evil intentions towards Pakistan cricket. They are acting under political influence. I hope Pakistani friends understand that.

 

[giri26]

BCCI should just boycott. They are unlikely to get govt approval anyways. Why bother, if other members want to play in Pakistan let them go ahead with the tournament.

 

[Rishikesh]

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...uncil-event/articleshow/62188254.cms?from=mdr

Pakistan was given the hosting rights for the six-nation tournament at an Asian Cricket Council (ACC) meeting in Lahore on October 29 which BCCI did not attend. But sources say BCCI has taken strong objection to the decision and communicated the same at the recently-held ACC meeting in Dubai. The BCCI's main grouse is that it was not consulted before announcing the venue for the event in which India are also supposed to take part.

With India not ready to send a team to Pakistan, it will be interesting to see how ACC handles this issue. With Sri Lanka committing to send it's team to Pakistan and committed to even sending the national team and under-19 sides, it is unlikely that Pakistan would eventually stage the event.

International cricket is almost non-existent in Pakistan after the terror attack on the Sri Lankan team bus in Lahore during the 2009 tour. It was eight years after that attack earlier this year that Sri Lanka sent a team to Pakistan to signal the revival of international cricket in the troubled nation.
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You need to consult every participant before taking such important decisions. India and Bangladesh are not members for developmental committee.What about bangladesh are they going to participate@MMHS [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION]

 

[Rishikesh]

Pakistan will host the six nation Emerging Asia Cup in April next year, the Asian cricket Council development committee decided in a meeting in Lahore on Sunday (October 29).

“The ACC has graciously decided to give us the hosting of Emerging Asia Cup in April next year which is a good sign for Pakistan,” said Najam sethi, Pakistan Cricket Board chairman.

Sethi said a three-match Twenty20 International series against Windies will also be finalised in the next two or three days.

Pakistan attended the meeting on the basis of being the president of the ACC, while India and Bangladesh are not the members of the Development Committee.

ACC expects India to send their team for the event.

http://www.wisdenindia.com/full-story.php?category=News&id=275977&

So they took the decision without consulting two major asian members ?

 

[Hitman]

Do people remember how the PCB tried it's best to move the 2011 WC away from the subcontinent when it was clear that they themselves would not get to host any of the games in that tournament? Of course it was laughable on their part to try to do so, and as expected fell flat on their face.

 

[MMHS]

Lagta hai, lagatar chouthi baar, hame hi Asia Cup arrange karna hoga ....

I don't think, in current state, apart from BD or SRL, there is any other venue. SRL actually deserves more than us, but they are hosting their own tournament at the start of the year with IND & BD, therefore don't think they would mind playing at Mirpur. Only issue is the weather in Jul-Sep period.

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

Which Asia cup?

sorry I meant we did..

Pakistan pulled out of Asia Cup 1990 due to strained political relations with India.

India is welcome to do the same.

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

Do people remember how the PCB tried it's best to move the 2011 WC away from the subcontinent when it was clear that they themselves would not get to host any of the games in that tournament? Of course it was laughable on their part to try to do so, and as expected fell flat on their face.

PCB asked to host it later in 2015..

PCB also got money for not hosting matches...so that point of yours falling flat on face has no substance.

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

You need to consult every participant before taking such important decisions. India and Bangladesh are not members for developmental committee.What about bangladesh are they going to participate@MMHS [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION]

BD send their women team recently so I do not think sending their U23 team would be an issue.

India and Afghanistan are welcome to pull out and be replaced by other asian teams like Nepal,UAE etc.

 

[MMHS]

You need to consult every participant before taking such important decisions. India and Bangladesh are not members for developmental committee.What about bangladesh are they going to participate@MMHS [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION]

I wish BD does participate. But, I am afraid people at BCB would try to settle scores here - PAK shouldn’t have boycotted that July series in a haste, when BCB was ready to send U19 & Development squad to PAK, and play a return series in any suitable/acceptable venue.

Besides, if not PAK, probably not India either, therefore there is a good chance for BCB to be host ....

 

[Nil Dhumrojal]

ACC should give acc tournament hosting right to only BCB. Problem solved.

 

[cricketjoshila]

A few points to summarize the whole discussion:

1. BCCI has done nothing wrong. They verbally (and in an MOU) said they will play Pakistan and now they are saying they won’t. It is ok to lie.
2. It is ok to involve politics in sports (and no it doesnt go against the spirit of the game) and boycott countries because they are “enemies” off the field.
3. In today’s world, people who take others to court for any grievances is equal to begging.

I am sure there are a lot of well educated Indians posting on this forum and i am honestly shocked and surprised at the hate metted out towards Pakistan where all we are after is a good, competitive game of cricket. People who keep talking about the bcci financial power, what are you guys going to do when there is no other country playing cricket due to your board’s atrocious policies? There are already a limited number of teams, so not sure how bccis policy benefits cricket.

1.Lets assume Bcci did sign a MoU, though all that we have seen is a letter, Bcci has no intention of not playing.The Govt of India has banned playing bilateral series with Pakistan and hence the matter is beyond BCCIs control.This is called a Force Majeure a fact that every contract in the world has to take into consideration, let alone a MoU or a simple letter of intent.

2.It was Ok for Pakistan to boycott Asia cup in India in 1990?It was ok for Pakistan to cancel tours in 1993?It was ok for Pakistan to boycott Moscow Olympics?First follow what you preach.India is within its rights to boycott Pakistan.

3.Which court?PCB has gone to the ICC to get compensation and have threatened to not sign the FTP or play in ICC leagues if India doesnt tour.This sir is begging of the highest order.

All PCB wants is money from the Indian market.Thats all.The BCCI is simply following the policies of the Indian govt and those policies seem to have support of vast majority of Indians.

 

[cricketjoshila]

PCB asked to host it later in 2015..

PCB also got money for not hosting matches...so that point of yours falling flat on face has no substance.

Why should 3 other nations lose their hosting rights or delay it because of PCB?

You know what has been the net result?India now hosts the 2023 WC alone as it doesnot want any repeat of the 2011 scenario.

 

[Rishikesh]

BD send their women team recently so I do not think sending their U23 team would be an issue.

India and Afghanistan are welcome to pull out and be replaced by other asian teams like Nepal,UAE etc.

First we need to know whether BCB were consulted before scheduling the tournament. BCCI and BCB are not members of development committee which decided to host tournament in Pakistan.

 

[MenInG]

http://indianexpress.com/article/sp...te-to-host-asia-emerging-nations-cup-4993931/

Pakistan is in no mood to give up its right to host the Asia Emerging Nations Cup in April despite strong resistance from the the Indian Cricket Board (BCCI). Besides India, the Bangladesh Cricket Board (BCB) has also objected to Pakistan hosting the tournament citing security concerns.

“Pakistan was given hosting rights when the ACC meeting was held in Lahore on October 29 and India and Bangladesh representatives were not present in that meeting,” a Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) official said. He said when the recent ACC board meeting was held last week in Dubai the Indian and Bangladesh boards made it clear that Pakistan couldn’t host the event since many teams had raised security concerns.

They asked for a new venue to be finalised for the event. “We will do everything in our power to ensure that we do host the Asian Emerging Nations Cup,” the official said. The PCB official said for the time being the matter had been put on hold and it was wrong to say that the tournament had been moved out of Pakistan. “The main objection raised by India is that in current political scenario India can’t send its team to play anywhere in Pakistan and it should have been consulted before deciding the venue,” he said.

PCB chief Najam Sethi had made the announcement about Pakistan hosting the Asia Emerging Nations Cup in April when Sri Lanka came to Lahore to play the lone T20 match on October 29. BCCI and PCB are already at loggerheads over the latter’s decision to file a compensation claim with the ICC’s Dispute Resolution Committee.

PCB is seeking around USD 60 million compensation from the BCCI for not honouring a MoU signed between the two boards in 2014 under which both countries were to play six bilateral series between 2015 and 2023.

 

[Balthazar]

First we need to know whether BCB were consulted before scheduling the tournament. BCCI and BCB are not members of development committee which decided to host tournament in Pakistan.

So PCB knew India wouldn't participate and they still wanted to host the tournament anyway. So that means the begging is finally over? BCCI should just let these teams play then. Asia cup is pointless anyways at least for Indian fans.

 

[NoBallZombie]

1.Lets assume Bcci did sign a MoU, though all that we have seen is a letter, Bcci has no intention of not playing.The Govt of India has banned playing bilateral series with Pakistan and hence the matter is beyond BCCIs control.This is called a Force Majeure a fact that every contract in the world has to take into consideration, let alone a MoU or a simple letter of intent.

2.It was Ok for Pakistan to boycott Asia cup in India in 1990?It was ok for Pakistan to cancel tours in 1993?It was ok for Pakistan to boycott Moscow Olympics?First follow what you preach.India is within its rights to boycott Pakistan.

3.Which court?PCB has gone to the ICC to get compensation and have threatened to not sign the FTP or play in ICC leagues if India doesnt tour.This sir is begging of the highest order.

All PCB wants is money from the Indian market.Thats all.The BCCI is simply following the policies of the Indian govt and those policies seem to have support of vast majority of Indians.

1. Dont want to get into the technical details. The bcci said they would play pakistan (whether verbally, on a letter, in an mou or a contract) and they went back on their word, that is a lie to me.

2. Two things here: so if i do wrong, you would do wrong as well? Plus what happened to our last visit where it was understood india would reciprocate and we sent our players despite security risks? Or the one before that?

3. Not begging. If you know icc has a process in place. Pcb cant approach the court of arbitration for justice without first approaching icc and exhausting that option. That, sir, is the icc constitution. And pcb (with all its unprofessionalism) is actually following the proper process to get a favorable outcome. Once bcci threatens icc, next step would be the international court. That doesn’t sound begging to me at all, merely a case of David against the Goliath.

 

[NoBallZombie]

http://indianexpress.com/article/sp...te-to-host-asia-emerging-nations-cup-4993931/

Pakistan is in no mood to give up its right to host the Asia Emerging Nations Cup in April despite strong resistance from the the Indian Cricket Board (BCCI). Besides India, the Bangladesh Cricket Board (BCB) has also objected to Pakistan hosting the tournament citing security concerns.

“Pakistan was given hosting rights when the ACC meeting was held in Lahore on October 29 and India and Bangladesh representatives were not present in that meeting,” a Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) official said. He said when the recent ACC board meeting was held last week in Dubai the Indian and Bangladesh boards made it clear that Pakistan couldn’t host the event since many teams had raised security concerns.

They asked for a new venue to be finalised for the event. “We will do everything in our power to ensure that we do host the Asian Emerging Nations Cup,” the official said. The PCB official said for the time being the matter had been put on hold and it was wrong to say that the tournament had been moved out of Pakistan. “The main objection raised by India is that in current political scenario India can’t send its team to play anywhere in Pakistan and it should have been consulted before deciding the venue,” he said.

PCB chief Najam Sethi had made the announcement about Pakistan hosting the Asia Emerging Nations Cup in April when Sri Lanka came to Lahore to play the lone T20 match on October 29. BCCI and PCB are already at loggerheads over the latter’s decision to file a compensation claim with the ICC’s Dispute Resolution Committee.

PCB is seeking around USD 60 million compensation from the BCCI for not honouring a MoU signed between the two boards in 2014 under which both countries were to play six bilateral series between 2015 and 2023.

PCB shouldn’t back down. Even if the end result is failure, its about time someone stood up against bcci.

 

[Titan24]

While MOU is not a legal document, anybody defending BCCI ever thought then why MOU exists in the world?

Its an understanding and commitment which I guess only applies to someone with honour to keep it, which unfortunately isnt expected from BCCI.

 

[Titan24]

If BCCI is so against playing Pakistan why they neve stood up against ICC to chnage their groups when Pakistan was in it, bycot the matches against Pakistan or best boycot the tournument bcz they dont wanna play Pakistan.

Its next level hypocrisy we cant play in bilateral against Pakistan but yeah we can play against them in tournuments. If not playing against Pakistan is so important then dont play at all even in ICC tournuments.

 

[Rishikesh]

So PCB knew India wouldn't participate and they still wanted to host the tournament anyway. So that means the begging is finally over? BCCI should just let these teams play then. Asia cup is pointless anyways at least for Indian fans.

They should have consulted two major asian boards before taking such an important decision don't know what they were thinking.

 

[cricketjoshila]

1. Dont want to get into the technical details. The bcci said they would play pakistan (whether verbally, on a letter, in an mou or a contract) and they went back on their word, that is a lie to me.

2. Two things here: so if i do wrong, you would do wrong as well? Plus what happened to our last visit where it was understood india would reciprocate and we sent our players despite security risks? Or the one before that?

3. Not begging. If you know icc has a process in place. Pcb cant approach the court of arbitration for justice without first approaching icc and exhausting that option. That, sir, is the icc constitution. And pcb (with all its unprofessionalism) is actually following the proper process to get a favorable outcome. Once bcci threatens icc, next step would be the international court. That doesn’t sound begging to me at all, merely a case of David against the Goliath.

1.BCCI has not lied or has not gone back on its word.It has been compelled by reasons beyond its control.Ofcourse you dont want to go into details as it makes your claims look very poor.

2.We will do what precedent has been set.We will not simply handover millions of dollars to you.India toured Pakistan in 1989 and Pakistan then refused to come to India, yet it was India that went to Pakistan first in 1997.

3.Pcb cant approach CAS or court of arbitration for sports as BCCI is not a signatory to it hence CAS has no jurisdiction.No other court except an Indian court can enforce a judgement on BCCI.PCB has gone to icc and is threatening them as there is no court that pcb can approach.

 

[cricketjoshila]

If BCCI is so against playing Pakistan why they neve stood up against ICC to chnage their groups when Pakistan was in it, bycot the matches against Pakistan or best boycot the tournument bcz they dont wanna play Pakistan.

Its next level hypocrisy we cant play in bilateral against Pakistan but yeah we can play against them in tournuments. If not playing against Pakistan is so important then dont play at all even in ICC tournuments.

Where and how we boycott Pakistan is our decision sir.

 

[Titan24]

Where and how we boycott Pakistan is our decision sir.

Sir that is why I used word "Hypocrisy".

 

[proud_pakistani]

I wonder if BCCI will also have an objection if Pakistan decides to host the games in UAE,

 

[cricketjoshila]

Sir that is why I used word "Hypocrisy".

That is your opinion sir. For us its our perogative.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I wonder if BCCI will also have an objection if Pakistan decides to host the games in UAE,

Then UAE will be the host nation.

 

[Hermoine Green]

Then UAE will be the host nation.

India won't have any objection if Pakistan host this series at UAE??

 

[cricketjoshila]

India won't have any objection if Pakistan host this series at UAE??

If matches are played in UAE then UAE is the host nation not Pakistan.

 

[KevinFern]

India is only reciprocating what PCB and Najam Sethi did with getting U19 Asia Cup moved out of India. They got it moved out of India on the ground of security to Malaysia. Now that a precedent was set by Najam Sethi, the BCCI is very much within its right to exercise it and ACC cant take a completely different stand within a few months time of that decision.

 

[UN talkz]

India is only reciprocating what PCB and Najam Sethi did with getting U19 Asia Cup moved out of India. They got it moved out of India on the ground of security to Malaysia. Now that a precedent was set by Najam Sethi, the BCCI is very much within its right to exercise it and ACC cant take a completely different stand within a few months time of that decision.

BCCI wrote to GOI for security of Pakistani players and didn't get a reply for 6 months and that resulted in U19 Asia Cup being held Outside India and will happen will Asia Cup which is scheduled in September as GOI don't even care about replying to BCCI

 

[www787]

India should go American way, isolate themselves, play all the sports within India with themselves and start calling themselves world champion whenever Mumbai wins a tournament.

 

[CanadianG00se]

India should go American way, isolate themselves, play all the sports within India with themselves and start calling themselves world champion whenever Mumbai wins a tournament.

This sounds far better options than bailing out some of the other countries who are not self reliant.

 

[Savak]

While MOU is not a legal document, anybody defending BCCI ever thought then why MOU exists in the world?

Its an understanding and commitment which I guess only applies to someone with honour to keep it, which unfortunately isnt expected from BCCI.

If BCCI is so against playing Pakistan why they neve stood up against ICC to chnage their groups when Pakistan was in it, bycot the matches against Pakistan or best boycot the tournument bcz they dont wanna play Pakistan.

Its next level hypocrisy we cant play in bilateral against Pakistan but yeah we can play against them in tournuments. If not playing against Pakistan is so important then dont play at all even in ICC tournuments.

Don't worry, the PCB will get the BCCI to pay up the $60-70 million and will give a lesson to the entire world that one sports body cannot just blatantly decide to enter into an agreement and then treat it like toilet paper

 

[Savak]

BCCI wrote to GOI for security of Pakistani players and didn't get a reply for 6 months and that resulted in U19 Asia Cup being held Outside India and will happen will Asia Cup which is scheduled in September as GOI don't even care about replying to BCCI

The problem is not and has never been the govt of India, the problem is the BCCI which does wants to make sure that anything which will financially prosper Pakistan Cricket is unacceptable

 

[CanadianG00se]

The problem is not and has never been the govt of India, the problem is the BCCI which does wants to make sure that anything which will financially prosper Pakistan Cricket is unacceptable

So you agree PCB's finance depends on India tour?

 

[Savak]

So you agree PCB's finance depends on India tour?

Not depends but Pakistan Cricket needs money to catch up with the world and they have every right to ask for compensation if losses have occurred due to BCCI not honouring their commitments, making false dishonest promises and acting in bad faith.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Not depends but Pakistan Cricket needs money to catch up with the world and they have every right to ask for compensation if losses have occurred due to BCCI not honouring their commitments, making false dishonest promises and acting in bad faith.

So basically you're saying Pakistan or PCB is incompetent to tap into their own market and relies on external forces to drive their finances.
As for your last part about false promises, well some promises are meant to be broken.

A girl and guy makes promises to marry each other, few years later girl decides to marry a rich guy and breaks her promise. Guy keeps chasing girl to fulfill her promise, he even threats her with lawsuit but girl completely ignores him and continue living her life. Guy is in disbelief and doesnt know what to do.

Replace guy with PCB and Girl with BCCI.

As you know in everyday life promises are made and some are broken. PCB needs to move on and be self reliant and find ways to tap into their market. They have potential to be second richest board, and join Big 3. This constant moaning and whining will get them nowhere. Remember in 90s PCB were rich and powerful and BCCI were not so rich. Now, tables have turned; BCCI is rich and powerful while PCB on the other hand asking for handouts from ICC.

 

[Savak]

So basically you're saying Pakistan or PCB is incompetent to tap into their own market and relies on external forces to drive their finances.
As for your last part about false promises, well some promises are meant to be broken.

A girl and guy makes promises to marry each other, few years later girl decides to marry a rich guy and breaks her promise. Guy keeps chasing girl to fulfill her promise, he even threats her with lawsuit but girl completely ignores him and continue living her life. Guy is in disbelief and doesnt know what to do.

Replace guy with PCB and Girl with BCCI.

As you know in everyday life promises are made and some are broken. PCB needs to move on and be self reliant and find ways to tap into their market. They have potential to be second richest board, and join Big 3. This constant moaning and whining will get them nowhere. Remember in 90s PCB were rich and powerful and BCCI were not so rich. Now, tables have turned; BCCI is rich and powerful while PCB on the other hand asking for handouts from ICC.

You cannot equate a business and formal arrangement with a simple guy and girl analogy. Playing with the BCCI is like the difference between making $100 million and $1 million, the PCB cannot keep chasing "chillars" forever

 

[CanadianG00se]

You cannot equate a business and formal arrangement with a simple guy and girl analogy. Playing with the BCCI is like the difference between making $100 million and $1 million, the PCB cannot keep chasing "chillars" forever

That is how business environment works. If two parties made an agreement and later they decided to write it off, then there is absolute nothing the other party can do specially when there is not even an binding contract in place. Anyways i wont go in much details in regards to what the actual agreed between BCCI and PCB. All im saying is PCB is over reliant on external forces, which is sad considering they could easily be self reliant and perhaps be a driving force in Cricket World.

 

[www787]

Don't worry, the PCB will get the BCCI to pay up the $60-70 million and will give a lesson to the entire world that one sports body cannot just blatantly decide to enter into an agreement and then treat it like toilet paper

I hope this won’t happen, not because I care or respect for BCCI, BCCI is similar to a desi Aunty who just got rich and now on a mission to show off and ruin the game of cricket all together but, I’d like to see Pakistan tapping on its own market, which is huge market to tap.

 

[English August]

Remember in 90s PCB were rich and powerful and BCCI were not so rich.

What's the basis for this statement? PCB (back then it was called BCCP) was never rich and powerful. Said another way, it was as rich and powerful as the BCCI, which wasn't much to be honest.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I hope this won’t happen, not because I care or respect for BCCI, BCCI is similar to a desi Aunty who just got rich and now on a mission to show off and ruin the game of cricket all together but, I’d like to see Pakistan tapping on its own market, which is huge market to tap.

Bcci is the richest board since 2000s.

 

[CanadianG00se]

What's the basis for this statement? PCB (back then it was called BCCP) was never rich and powerful. Said another way, it was as rich and powerful as the BCCI, which wasn't much to be honest.

BCCI in 90s weren’t rich nor powerful. They had to pay DD to broadcast Indian games, plus werent really strong team on field as well. Pakistan even boycotted India tour in 1993 due to political reasons. Back then they had Champion team so they could pick and chose their opponents, whereas we werent even invited much in Australia.
However this all changed when Tendulkar and Dalmiya combo happened, and rest is history. Now every nation(s) wants to host us and milk from Indian market. The same Australia who didnt wanted to invite us, now will lineup at every opportunity to please BCCI and invite them frequently.

 

[Savak]

If the PCB Lawyer is smart, he will talk about the specific home series of Pakistan which the Indians refused to honor and highlight at the time there was no official Indian govt policy of no sporting ties with Pakistan and instead it was the BCCI which didn't want to tour Pakistan. The lawyer should highlight the various discrepancies where the Indian govt becomes okay with Cricketing ties with Pakistan as long as they are held under an Indian home series, or the Champions Trophy, Asia Cup, T-20 World Cup, World Cup but as soon as a Pakistani home series comes up then the Indian Govt automatically has a policy of no sporting ties with Pakistan. The Lawyer should also highlight how other Pakistani sporting teams are playing in India, how Pakistani film and music artists are performing and doing their jobs in India but out of the blue the BCCI comes out with the "No Indian govt approval for sporting ties with Pakistan" whenever it is Pakistan's turn to have a home series against India in Pakistan or on neutral territory.

 

[Savak]

I hope this won’t happen, not because I care or respect for BCCI, BCCI is similar to a desi Aunty who just got rich and now on a mission to show off and ruin the game of cricket all together but, I’d like to see Pakistan tapping on its own market, which is huge market to tap.

The compensation claim is justified which is why the PCB must not relent.

 

[cricketjoshila]

If the PCB Lawyer is smart, he will talk about the specific home series of Pakistan which the Indians refused to honor and highlight at the time there was no official Indian govt policy of no sporting ties with Pakistan and instead it was the BCCI which didn't want to tour Pakistan. The lawyer should highlight the various discrepancies where the Indian govt becomes okay with Cricketing ties with Pakistan as long as they are held under an Indian home series, or the Champions Trophy, Asia Cup, T-20 World Cup, World Cup but as soon as a Pakistani home series comes up then the Indian Govt automatically has a policy of no sporting ties with Pakistan. The Lawyer should also highlight how other Pakistani sporting teams are playing in India, how Pakistani film and music artists are performing and doing their jobs in India but out of the blue the BCCI comes out with the "No Indian govt approval for sporting ties with Pakistan" whenever it is Pakistan's turn to have a home series against India in Pakistan or on neutral territory.

Since 2008 Indian govt has refused to allow BCCI to play bilateral series with Pakistan.The govt allowed a short series in 2012 and got a pasting from the opposition and media.They got thrown out of power.

Which other pakistani sporting team is playing a bilateral series in India

Pakistani artists are no more welcome in India.Look up the controversy regarding last Fawad Khan starrer film.

Indian govt as a sovereign govt can have any foreign policy and no lawyer or court or icc can do a thing about it.

 

[cricketjoshila]

What's the basis for this statement? PCB (back then it was called BCCP) was never rich and powerful. Said another way, it was as rich and powerful as the BCCI, which wasn't much to be honest.

Yes Pcb or bccp was not very rich or powerful.Neither was bcci.But bcci still had the pull to get reliance sponsor the 1987 WC and ITC to sponsor the 1996 WC.

BCCI had started to turn the tide in 1993 when Supreme Court allowed them to sell their Tv rights.Doordarshan lost its monopoly and BCCI coffers started bulging.

 

[Shafi]

BCCI and BCB have objected to Pakistan hosting Emerging Nations Cup in April

KARACHI: Pakistan is in no mood to give up its right to host the Asia Emerging Nations Cup in April despite strong resistance from the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI).

Besides India, the Bangladesh Cricket Board (BCB) has also objected to Pakistan hosting the tournament citing security concerns.

“Pakistan was given hosting rights when ACC meeting was held in Lahore on Oct 29 and India and Bangla*desh representatives were not present in that meeting,” a PCB official said according to a report by Press Trust of India.

The official said when the recent ACC board meeting was held last week in Dubai the Indian and Bangladesh boards made it clear that Pakistan couldn’t host the event since many teams had raised security concerns.

They asked for a new venue to be finalised for the event.

“We will do everything in our power to ensure that we do host the Asian Emerging Nations Cup,” the official said.

The PCB official said for the time being the matter had been put on hold and it was wrong to say that the tournament had been moved out of Pakistan.

“The main objection raised by India is that in current political scenario India can’t send its team to play anywhere in Pakistan and it should have been consulted before deciding the venue.”

PCB chief Najam Sethi had made the announcement about Pakistan hosting the Asia Emerging Nations Cup in April when Sri Lanka came to Lahore to play the lone T20 match on Oct 29.

The BCCI and the PCB are already at loggerheads over the latter’s decision to file a compensation claim with the ICC.

The PCB is seeking around $60 million compensation from the BCCI for not honouring a MoU signed between the two boards in 2014 under which both countries were to play six bilateral series between 2015 and 2023.

Published in Dawn, December 23rd, 2017

 

[Shafi]

BCB acting really difficult and showing their true colour in our bad time. If World XI, Zimbabwe, Sri Lanka and possibly WI can travel Pakistan why can't BCB send its players. Really really poor from BCB.

 

[Pakpak]

KARACHI: Pakistan is in no mood to give up its right to host the Asia Emerging Nations Cup in April despite strong resistance from the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI).

Besides India, the Bangladesh Cricket Board (BCB) has also objected to Pakistan hosting the tournament citing security concerns.

“Pakistan was given hosting rights when ACC meeting was held in Lahore on Oct 29 and India and Bangla*desh representatives were not present in that meeting,” a PCB official said according to a report by Press Trust of India.

The official said when the recent ACC board meeting was held last week in Dubai the Indian and Bangladesh boards made it clear that Pakistan couldn’t host the event since many teams had raised security concerns.

They asked for a new venue to be finalised for the event.

“We will do everything in our power to ensure that we do host the Asian Emerging Nations Cup,” the official said.

The PCB official said for the time being the matter had been put on hold and it was wrong to say that the tournament had been moved out of Pakistan.

“The main objection raised by India is that in current political scenario India can’t send its team to play anywhere in Pakistan and it should have been consulted before deciding the venue.”

PCB chief Najam Sethi had made the announcement about Pakistan hosting the Asia Emerging Nations Cup in April when Sri Lanka came to Lahore to play the lone T20 match on Oct 29.

The BCCI and the PCB are already at loggerheads over the latter’s decision to file a compensation claim with the ICC.

The PCB is seeking around $60 million compensation from the BCCI for not honouring a MoU signed between the two boards in 2014 under which both countries were to play six bilateral series between 2015 and 2023.

Published in Dawn, December 23rd, 2017

BCB is a lacky board of BCCI, why are you surprised

 

[Azzurri]

These things will happen when a sporting bodies like ICC is ay to weak to influence respective boards

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

BCB will send their team most prob..

They send their women's team recently.
Afghanistan is the board I think that wont send their team.

India and Afg are welcome to pull out like Australia did in U19 WC 2016 and Pakistan did in 1990 Asia Cup

 

[cricketjoshila]

BCB acting really difficult and showing their true colour in our bad time. If World XI, Zimbabwe, Sri Lanka and possibly WI can travel Pakistan why can't BCB send its players. Really really poor from BCB.

Did CA or ECB or NZC or CSA send their team?Why should any body send their team if they think Pakistan isnt safe.

 

[cricketjoshila]

BCB is a lacky board of BCCI, why are you surprised

These things will happen when a sporting bodies like ICC is ay to weak to influence respective boards

Are BCCI and BCB only boards who have refused to send their teams to Pakistan?

Majority of boards havent sent their teams to Pakistan because its not safe according to them.There isnt anything ICC or anyone else can do about it.

 

[90MPH]

If the Asian council decision has been made then what is exactly their problem ??

Oh now I remember - everyone without their bias glasses on known that the BCCI was never a sports board but a Mafia type board that doesn't give two hoots about the game and especially Pakistan cricket whom they will never miss an opportunity to swipe at.

 

[cricketjoshila]

If the Asian council decision has been made then what is exactly their problem ??

Oh now I remember - everyone without their bias glasses on known that the BCCI was never a sports board but a Mafia type board that doesn't give two hoots about the game and especially Pakistan cricket whom they will never miss an opportunity to swipe at.

ACC made the decision without consulting two test playing boards BCCI and BCB.A number of boards have issues sending players to Pakistan and as members of ACC both BCCI and BCB can raise objections with the ACC.

Can you tell me how many boards have sent their teams to Pakistan in last 10 years?All of them must be mafia organisations who dont care about the game and take swipes at PCB.

 

[AlizeeFan]

If the Asian council decision has been made then what is exactly their problem ??

Oh now I remember - everyone without their bias glasses on known that the BCCI was never a sports board but a Mafia type board that doesn't give two hoots about the game and especially Pakistan cricket whom they will never miss an opportunity to swipe at.

Yes, the board which tried to get players killed and constantly tries to bully other boards is really the one caring about cricket, while the boards which try to protect players are mafia.

Not surprising though.

 

[daytrader]

ACC made the decision without consulting two test playing boards BCCI and BCB.A number of boards have issues sending players to Pakistan and as members of ACC both BCCI and BCB can raise objections with the ACC.

Can you tell me how many boards have sent their teams to Pakistan in last 10 years?All of them must be mafia organisations who dont care about the game and take swipes at PCB.

two boards that decided not to participate in a meeting and now are complaining about consultation. delaying tactics by these two

 

[CanadianG00se]

I think BCCI should just not send the team to Pakistan if GoI permission doesnt come. Pakistan should be allowed to host the tournament with other teams( teams who are participating) and help getting back international matches in Pakistan. India in no way is obligated to tour Pakistan and/or play this tournament. They should just sit out and let other teams play. This way its win-win for both parties.

We should try to start age group (U19/23)tournament with CSA, CA, ECB like we do annual A team tournaments with South Africa and Australia.