BCCI's dominance: How long will the PCB and other boards allow this to continue?

[shockbound]

This is a discussion thread, a long term one, not one for conspiracies, not directly relevant to few world-cup accidents.

We all know the situation of ICC, how they're being controlled by powerful boards actually ruining the game

PCB tried a dumb move of dragging BCCI to court assuming Utopian outcomes. Was never going to happen. What happened in return was deserving for such a stupid move.

Whenever people ask the question, they're often shut down with things like BCCI's too powerful and they're generating the most revenue these days and cricket wont last without them. Well, lets clear few things.

• BCCI cannot sustain cricket on its own, they do need handful of dumb/competitive nation to make it look like a world-sports even to keep their own nation interested.
  
• In any case, this Indian Cricket boom is not going to last much long. Just like Movies and Dramas, people will get bored of same stuff over and over again.
  
• BCCI is halting the growth of the game, primarily out of fear that more nations would cut them out someday.
  
• Cricket existed long before BCCI or any of these boards.

My question is, why PCB other members are silently trying to fit in? I can understand that teams like Afghanistan and Bangladesh who are supported by BCCI would love this, but its bad for rest.

What would be the point where all of the nations would agree to choke the big three upto the point where they be meaningless, or create a little own council (not little in terms of nations, but funds) so that after 5-10-15 years of tough times, they can have an actual world-wide representative body for cricket and game is not left for cows and dogs to tear apart?

I understand that its a hard route, but its the only way from here to save the game. One cant ask thieves for self-accountability.

Someone need to do this? Whats stopping them? PCB can't go half-hearted about things. Our team along with few others are on the verge of being minnows because we are being pushed that way. Why can't our leadership actually hit the root cause instead of seeking little perks here and there?

 

[Sachin136]

Completely agree. The PCB should pull out of international cricket and make the PSL 7-8 months long (like the NHL, NBA, etc).

Countries like Afghanistan wouldn't follow suit for the time being, but they will join Pakistan later on.

 

[MenInG]

Its about economics. When we have the Dollar-clout to challenge them, then we can do the "talk nah" thing.

Until then put-up or shut-up

IMO

 

[geraltofrivia]

Considering the fact that India is still growing at 7-8% and is projected to keep growing for the next 20-30 years BCCI will only grow stronger. I see a US-Basketball like scenario arising.

 

[Abidi110]

Completely agree. The PCB should pull out of international cricket and make the PSL 7-8 months long (like the NHL, NBA, etc).

Countries like Afghanistan wouldn't follow suit for the time being, but they will join Pakistan later on.

Unfortunately it is india who has been talking about boycotting ICC WC tour.Many indians wanted india to boycott if ICC refused to ban Pak from WC, and even now on gloves issue are talking about pulling the team out of WC.
Knowing how frenzy people are there, it will happen oneday and india will end up boycotting ICC events.They can then have a second edition of ipl where are players should be made to wear complete army uniform.

 

[Mr.Q]

Honestly, the big 3 is all cricket needs. No cricket council without the big 3 will survive. The big 3 are not just big in terms of money but in terms of talent too. They’re the best.

Coming to BCCI’s dominance in cricket, I don’t see it coming to an end ever unless Indians lose interest in the sport. That is because India’s population and economy are the reason behind the strength.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Pakistanis tend to be unnecessarily insecure about BCCI. A lot of the troubles they have had, they too had a part in it.

I don’t see overall BCCI is bad for cricket. Things weren’t any better when it was Big 2 - Aussies and English.

If anything BCCI has balanced things and made Asian bloc stronger.

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

Cricket is alive because of India so they deserve to rule the Cricket body.

 

[MenInG]

Pakistanis tend to be unnecessarily insecure about BCCI. A lot of the troubles they have had, they too had a part in it.

I don’t see overall BCCI is bad for cricket. Things weren’t any better when it was Big 2 - Aussies and English.

If anything BCCI has balanced things and made Asian bloc stronger.

Sensible reply.

To my Indian friends.

Try and post sensible responses - this is a debate and not a slanging match.

 

[Kaptan]

Don't know how "BCCI is halting the growth of the game". It has always supported cricket boards of neighbouring countries (except Pakistan). Stood with BCB for test status. Now helping Afgan board, previously also helped Nepal. Always stands with SLC. Any board which is even half serious about cricket and asks for help, BCCI never said NO to them. India also tours Zimbabwe and Ireland more often than Australia or England.

Infact BCCI has done more than any board. It has also made Asian block much stronger than before.

Asian boards should just accept BCCI as a leader and follow it. In this way they will benefit more.

 

[Sultanofswing]

Don't know how "BCCI is halting the growth of the game". It has always supported cricket boards of neighbouring countries (except Pakistan). Stood with BCB for test status. Now helping Afgan board, previously also helped Nepal. Always stands with SLC. Any board which is even half serious about cricket and asks for help, BCCI never said NO to them. India also tours Zimbabwe and Ireland more often than Australia or England.

Infact BCCI has done more than any board. It has also made Asian block much stronger than before.

Asian boards should just accept BCCI as a leader and follow it. In this way they will benefit more.

PCB accepting BCCI as a leader? Then how would they show their bravado? Nah it's better to paint BCCI evil while being bankrupt Atleast PCB can show some Jazba.

 

[Mamoon]

Before our jealousy consumes us, we must make peace with the following facts:

(a) BCCI is the most powerful cricket board in the world

(b) BCCI will remain the most powerful cricket board in the world

(c) BCCI deserve to be where they are

(d) instead of making flop attempts to lessen BCCI’s influence, other boards should seek inspiration

(e) BCCI is not halting the growth of the game

This in particular applies to Pakistan and PCB, because we have the biggest market after India and if we were half as competent as our neighbors, we would have been able to solidify ourselves as the second most powerful board in the game.

BCCI are where they are because of their successful planning and long-term vision. They have simply been two steps ahead of other boards in the last two decades and have thus positioned themselves at the top.

The biggest example of their superior competence is obviously the IPL. Pakistan flirted with the idea of T20 cricket before England established the first T20 league.

However, BCCI was quicker than others in realizing the massive potential of the T20 format and how it had the potential to change the game forever.

They took T20 cricket to the next level by investing huge amounts of money and glamorizing it. After its success, other boards started to panic and ended up with cheap imitations.

Apart from BCCI, ECB is the only board that has some courage to try something new. T20 cricket, four day Tests etc. they are not shy from taking initiative.

The recent example is of course The Hundred that will take place next summer. In my opinion, this could be a game-changer. Similar to how 60 over ODI cricket evolved into 50 overs, T20 cricket can also evolve into The Hundred.

 

[Itachi]

You wrote all the problems (your opinion). But what's the solution?

Which country has bigger market than India (in cricket)? Without bringing money in to the table, how will you sustain the game (forget about spreading it)?

It is easy to point fingers and utter these words, "this is wrong, this is shameful" etc etc.

But can you provide an alternative solution to the problems (again, those are only according to you) which dismisses the role bcci?

 

[shockbound]

Completely agree. The PCB should pull out of international cricket and make the PSL 7-8 months long (like the NHL, NBA, etc).

Countries like Afghanistan wouldn't follow suit for the time being, but they will join Pakistan later on.

League alone is expected to fail as we dont have sponsors right now. Maybe when international cricket gets restored again we can think about leagues and stuff but right now our priority should be going all guns out to restore the game.

Its about economics. When we have the Dollar-clout to challenge them, then we can do the "talk nah" thing.

Until then put-up or shut-up

IMO

Not really! More than dollars (yes some of them will be needed to run the game but its not whay ICC portrays to be), we need support of major cricketing chunk. Funding will come one way or another.

Considering the fact that India is still growing at 7-8% and is projected to keep growing for the next 20-30 years BCCI will only grow stronger. I see a US-Basketball like scenario arising.

No, Indians are not Americans. They got a hype period followed by normalized ending. Unlike US, cricket in India has grown because it gives an illusion that a Brown person can beat their white masters. Having less of them would pull of the interest and would drag IPL cricket back to the level of bollywood movies.

Unfortunately it is india who has been talking about boycotting ICC WC tour.Many indians wanted india to boycott if ICC refused to ban Pak from WC, and even now on gloves issue are talking about pulling the team out of WC.
Knowing how frenzy people are there, it will happen oneday and india will end up boycotting ICC events.They can then have a second edition of ipl where are players should be made to wear complete army uniform.

Yes, this will happen. BCCI has destoryed the game in more than one way. And they wont care about WCs and stuff as long as their leagues are hit. This is why its necessary to form a HUGE group to hit them where it can actually hurt.

Honestly, the big 3 is all cricket needs. No cricket council without the big 3 will survive. The big 3 are not just big in terms of money but in terms of talent too. They’re the best.

Coming to BCCI’s dominance in cricket, I don’t see it coming to an end ever unless Indians lose interest in the sport. That is because India’s population and economy are the reason behind the strength.

They are only good for money, rest game has only gone down after their pacts. They dont need to loose interest in overall cricket, fading IPL out would do it for them.

Pakistanis tend to be unnecessarily insecure about BCCI. A lot of the troubles they have had, they too had a part in it.

I don’t see overall BCCI is bad for cricket. Things weren’t any better when it was Big 2 - Aussies and English.

If anything BCCI has balanced things and made Asian bloc stronger.

Yes, they had their part. But things are going down for past 10 years with or without PCB's part.

They are way worse than Big 2. Big2 never stopped promotion of game, never scripted games, never killed the balance of game, never stopped it from reaching to olympics, never used their betting channels to alter outcomes, never blackmailed other players to quit for saving their league money.

Cricket is alive because of India so they deserve to rule the Cricket body.

Cricket was survivng very well before India came in.

Don't know how "BCCI is halting the growth of the game". It has always supported cricket boards of neighbouring countries (except Pakistan). Stood with BCB for test status. Now helping Afgan board, previously also helped Nepal. Always stands with SLC. Any board which is even half serious about cricket and asks for help, BCCI never said NO to them. India also tours Zimbabwe and Ireland more often than Australia or England.

Infact BCCI has done more than any board. It has also made Asian block much stronger than before.

Asian boards should just accept BCCI as a leader and follow it. In this way they will benefit more.

Correction. It has only favored few of minnows which were placed against Pakistan to trash PCB out among minnows. They never went with major expansion of game. They are trying to avoid olympics so that there be no accountability. Rest everyone can see.

PCB accepting BCCI as a leader? Then how would they show their bravado? Nah it's better to paint BCCI evil while being bankrupt Atleast PCB can show some Jazba.

Its not about PCB's bravado. Its about saving the game.

 

[Technics 1210]

The issue is not BCCI per se, it is the superiority complex which is an issue. It's no big secret BCCI are in the mood to avenge decades of what they believe to be injustices (not just in cricket but from a national perspective too) and there's no better way than to flex the financial muscles.

Unfortunately no cricket board respects the BCCI, just interested in the money, and the resentment towards BCCI is growing. Plus the fact BCCI hide behind the GoI when it suits them, reprimanded by the Indian Supreme Court, embroiled in corruption with respect to the IPL franchises, just goes to show money doesn't hide the truth.

Anyway soon it could change once the big 3 agreement comes to an end.

 

[shockbound]

Before our jealousy consumes us, we must make peace with the following facts:

(a) BCCI is the most powerful cricket board in the world

(b) BCCI will remain the most powerful cricket board in the world

(c) BCCI deserve to be where they are

(d) instead of making flop attempts to lessen BCCI’s influence, other boards should seek inspiration

(e) BCCI is not halting the growth of the game

This in particular applies to Pakistan and PCB, because we have the biggest market after India and if we were half as competent as our neighbors, we would have been able to solidify ourselves as the second most powerful board in the game.

BCCI are where they are because of their successful planning and long-term vision. They have simply been two steps ahead of other boards in the last two decades and have thus positioned themselves at the top.

The biggest example of their superior competence is obviously the IPL. Pakistan flirted with the idea of T20 cricket before England established the first T20 league.

However, BCCI was quicker than others in realizing the massive potential of the T20 format and how it had the potential to change the game forever.

They took T20 cricket to the next level by investing huge amounts of money and glamorizing it. After its success, other boards started to panic and ended up with cheap imitations.

Apart from BCCI, ECB is the only board that has some courage to try something new. T20 cricket, four day Tests etc. they are not shy from taking initiative.

The recent example is of course The Hundred that will take place next summer. In my opinion, this could be a game-changer. Similar to how 60 over ODI cricket evolved into 50 overs, T20 cricket can also evolve into The Hundred.

A. True.

B. No, esp. if rest do anything about it.

C. True, they should be credited with revolutionizing the game (which could have been used positively).

D. Other boards should take inspiration from the innovation part, not the political one. It is going to quick-kill the game them.

E. They are.

We cant tap our potential in this setup. Yes we never wanted to add such innovations, something which bcci cashed over, but it shouldnt be allowed to destory the game.

They are not playing with formats to grow the game, its to bring in more bucks (even if kills the sport later on).

 

[gazza619]

Considering the fact that India is still growing at 7-8% and is projected to keep growing for the next 20-30 years BCCI will only grow stronger. I see a US-Basketball like scenario arising.

True and India’s biggest asset is its fan base. And the fans are going nowhere and will only increase in numbers

 

[shockbound]

You wrote all the problems (your opinion). But what's the solution?

Which country has bigger market than India (in cricket)? Without bringing money in to the table, how will you sustain the game (forget about spreading it)?

It is easy to point fingers and utter these words, "this is wrong, this is shameful" etc etc.

But can you provide an alternative solution to the problems (again, those are only according to you) which dismisses the role bcci?

I did. Gather most of nations, tell ICC to go straight, else form a new fair council with those nation. There will be funds along the way. I am sure many sponsors would want to support fair cricket rather than scripted one. Get 50-60 nations on board if needed. Its a long and struggling road, but its the only visible way to save the game. India cant survive on their giant share alone. They do need dummy nations playing against them to survive for long.

 

[Technics 1210]

Considering the fact that India is still growing at 7-8% and is projected to keep growing for the next 20-30 years BCCI will only grow stronger. I see a US-Basketball like scenario arising.

Considering the fact that India is still growing at 7-8% and is projected to keep growing for the next 20-30 years BCCI will only grow stronger. I see a US-Basketball like scenario arising.

Not a fact but a lie. Not only is india's GDP below 6%, it is also under question.

https://tradingeconomics.com/india/gdp-growth

https://www.ft.com/content/d0a91172-7150-11e9-bf5c-6eeb837566c5

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=149223]shockbound[/MENTION]

Please elaborate on how BCCI are halting the growth of the game and are not playing with formats to grow the game, whatever that means.

 

[jagatk]

Sensible reply.

To my Indian friends.

Try and post sensible responses - this is a debate and not a slanging match.

You say it's a debate not a slanging match while OP say Bcci is fixing matches, deciding who wins via betting, somehow changing balance of the game whatever that means, blackmailing players to save money( again I have no clue what that means).

So which is it? A debate or let's talk conspiracies?

 

[adil79]

As long as they are earning them greatest share of money than other boards. Do you know much money they make from series happening in india than at any other place? Cricket is a religion in that country. Their IPL training sessions have ground full.

 

[BreadPakoda]

PCB tried a dumb move of dragging BCCI to court assuming Utopian outcomes. Was never going to happen. What happened in return was deserving for such a stupid move.

create a little own council (not little in terms of nations, but funds)

One dumb move, better than two? Just saying..

 

[Itachi]

Choke the big three....

You don't kill the hands thats feeding you.

However corrupted BCCI, ECB and ACB is, still they have a system which can self sustain.

Every other boards is even failing to earn revenue and is depend upon series with the big three. Remember how PCB was begging to play with India?

That's what the situation of the other boards are.

.... And these incompetent boards could lead a council? It won't last even a year even if it is formed.

 

[Slim]

I appreciate the OP for making a quality post highlighting BCCI's badmashi in a very proper manner. I agree with the notion that India/BCCI needs other cricketing nation to keep the interest of indian population alive. I mean indians by nature since birth are always in "I am or i have to get better than A" to satisfy their competitive needs which take priority for them. If other nations stop playing, who will they gloat against?

Tbh, its just no with cricket, its with any competitive sport. So when Indian fans say that India is necessary for cricket, i say, each and every nation is equally important.

If all other cricketing nations make a coordinated effort, they can easily bring the BCCI down to their knees but this coordinated effort would never happen. You know why? Because these boards like foresight, and long term vision. They will be happy if they are promised couple of tours, and would selfishly only care about their own interests rather than the interest at large.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Pakistanis tend to be unnecessarily insecure about BCCI. A lot of the troubles they have had, they too had a part in it.

I don’t see overall BCCI is bad for cricket. Things weren’t any better when it was Big 2 - Aussies and English.

If anything BCCI has balanced things and made Asian bloc stronger.

True to some extent. PCB have definitely brought plenty of problems on themselves. I don't think BCCI is necessarily bad for cricket in general, but they are bad for Pakistan cricket. Not necessarily through their own designs, but because they are used as a tool by the Indian govt which is hostile to Pakistan, especially under the Modi regime.

 

[jadaja]

This is a discussion thread, a long term one, not one for conspiracies, not directly relevant to few world-cup accidents.

We all know the situation of ICC, how they're being controlled by powerful boards actually ruining the game

PCB tried a dumb move of dragging BCCI to court assuming Utopian outcomes. Was never going to happen. What happened in return was deserving for such a stupid move.

Whenever people ask the question, they're often shut down with things like BCCI's too powerful and they're generating the most revenue these days and cricket wont last without them. Well, lets clear few things.

• BCCI cannot sustain cricket on its own, they do need handful of dumb/competitive nation to make it look like a world-sports even to keep their own nation interested.
  
• In any case, this Indian Cricket boom is not going to last much long. Just like Movies and Dramas, people will get bored of same stuff over and over again.
  
• BCCI is halting the growth of the game, primarily out of fear that more nations would cut them out someday.
  
• Cricket existed long before BCCI or any of these boards.

My question is, why PCB other members are silently trying to fit in? I can understand that teams like Afghanistan and Bangladesh who are supported by BCCI would love this, but its bad for rest.

What would be the point where all of the nations would agree to choke the big three upto the point where they be meaningless, or create a little own council (not little in terms of nations, but funds) so that after 5-10-15 years of tough times, they can have an actual world-wide representative body for cricket and game is not left for cows and dogs to tear apart?

I understand that its a hard route, but its the only way from here to save the game. One cant ask thieves for self-accountability.

Someone need to do this? Whats stopping them? PCB can't go half-hearted about things. Our team along with few others are on the verge of being minnows because we are being pushed that way. Why can't our leadership actually hit the root cause instead of seeking little perks here and there?

How exactly did you come to conclusion that PCB is trying to fit in.PCB always thinks they are on par with BCCI which is far from truth.

What exactly has BCCI done to harm PCB or any other board for that matter.

What do you mean by hit the root cause???

 

[jadaja]

This is another OP by someone who think he knows everything about BCCI's so called wrongdoings and yet has not given any reasons in his rant.

 

[SensiblePakFan]

Bcci is halting the game from being in the olympics.
Some ppl in this thread call that growth

 

[Mkumar825]

Sensible reply.

To my Indian friends.

Try and post sensible responses - this is a debate and not a slanging match.

But in this forum Pak posters blame India for everything.
What about that ??

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

But in this forum Pak posters blame India for everything.
What about that ??

India has anti-Pakistan policy, that much is surely evident to even the most blinkered fan surely? Even if BCCI doesn't expressly pursue them, they are often given that directive from their govt.

 

[jadaja]

I appreciate the OP for making a quality post highlighting BCCI's badmashi in a very proper manner. I agree with the notion that India/BCCI needs other cricketing nation to keep the interest of indian population alive. I mean indians by nature since birth are always in "I am or i have to get better than A" to satisfy their competitive needs which take priority for them. If other nations stop playing, who will they gloat against?

Tbh, its just no with cricket, its with any competitive sport. So when Indian fans say that India is necessary for cricket, i say, each and every nation is equally important.

If all other cricketing nations make a coordinated effort, they can easily bring the BCCI down to their knees but this coordinated effort would never happen. You know why? Because these boards like foresight, and long term vision. They will be happy if they are promised couple of tours, and would selfishly only care about their own interests rather than the interest at large.

Care to explain what BCCI's Badmashi did OP highlight in proper manner.I did not find any such thing in his post.

You are saying Indian fans BCCI is most important thing in worlc cricket.Your point is true to some extent but BCCI never said anything like that, I am trying to understand what are wrong doings by BCCI in your point of view.

 

[Mkumar825]

India has anti-Pakistan policy, that much is surely evident to even the most blinkered fan surely? Even if BCCI doesn't expressly pursue them, they are often given that directive from their govt.

You can't blame India for everything like yesterday match abandoned due to rain/ wet outfield but ppl blame India .

 

[jadaja]

India has anti-Pakistan policy, that much is surely evident to even the most blinkered fan surely? Even if BCCI doesn't expressly pursue them, they are often given that directive from their govt.

So Pakistan has pro India policy? What point are you trying to make.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

You can't blame India for everything like yesterday match abandoned due to rain/ wet outfield but ppl blame India .

You can't debate the point so now deflecting onto some other rubbish about weather in your desperation. Very weak.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

So Pakistan has pro India policy? What point are you trying to make.

Pakistan doesn't allow political events outside of the game to affect sporting ties with India. That is the difference. Even the much hated military dictator Gen Zia spoke of using cricket to build ties rather than as a weapon.

 

[jadaja]

Pakistan doesn't allow political events outside of the game to affect sporting ties with India. That is the difference. Even the much hated military dictator Gen Zia spoke of using cricket to build ties rather than as a weapon.

But it did boycott 1980 Olympics to side with one USA. India does not want to play Pakistan in cricket in bilateral series and there is nobody in world who can make them play. It is India's decision , why is everyone in Pakistan so bothered by India not playing Pakistan.

Did India or BCCI stop Pakistan from playing anyone or anywhere.Pakistan is free to play anyone anywhere.

 

[Abu_Hamza]

Cricket is also played when there is peace at political level. Is it that difficult to understand??? It can only act as a facilitator. Its not like as if two countries ar at war then we talk of sporting ties to change the situation. It has to start on the political level then sports or anything.

 

[jadaja]

How is BCCI/India evil for refusing to play Pakistan in bilateral series.

 

[ExpressPacer]

You wrote all the problems (your opinion). But what's the solution?

Which country has bigger market than India (in cricket)? Without bringing money in to the table, how will you sustain the game (forget about spreading it)?

It is easy to point fingers and utter these words, "this is wrong, this is shameful" etc etc.

But can you provide an alternative solution to the problems (again, those are only according to you) which dismisses the role bcci?

Agree with this. In spite of a whopping 22 hundred million people living in Pakistan with little recreation or entertainment, we see domestic matches between decent teams with famous players go along in empty stands.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

But it did boycott 1980 Olympics to side with one USA. India does not want to play Pakistan in cricket in bilateral series and there is nobody in world who can make them play. It is India's decision , why is everyone in Pakistan so bothered by India not playing Pakistan.

Did India or BCCI stop Pakistan from playing anyone or anywhere.Pakistan is free to play anyone anywhere.

Was expecting someone to go digging back in history to try to prove Pakistan used sport as a political football, but going back 40 years doesn't do it that well, even then it wasn't cricket so not even relevant to cricket boards which was topic related.

No one is saying BCCI has to plat bilateral series with Pakistan, that is their choice and their right. Just as it is the choice of Pakistan fans to point out that BCCI is pawn of small minded govt of India.

 

[jadaja]

Was expecting someone to go digging back in history to try to prove Pakistan used sport as a political football, but going back 40 years doesn't do it that well, even then it wasn't cricket so not even relevant to cricket boards which was topic related.

No one is saying BCCI has to plat bilateral series with Pakistan, that is their choice and their right. Just as it is the choice of Pakistan fans to point out that BCCI is pawn of small minded govt of India.

You said Zen Zia in your post, so I mentioned 1980 olympics as it happened under his watch.

How is Indian govt small minded, you said Indian govt is anti Pakistan.Is Pakistan govt pro India.Giving out statements without any logic.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Was expecting someone to go digging back in history to try to prove Pakistan used sport as a political football, but going back 40 years doesn't do it that well, even then it wasn't cricket so not even relevant to cricket boards which was topic related.

No one is saying BCCI has to plat bilateral series with Pakistan, that is their choice and their right. Just as it is the choice of Pakistan fans to point out that BCCI is pawn of small minded govt of India.

PCB tried to move the WC’11 out of India. Failed. Sued BCCI. Failed.

More importantly, PCB doesn’t have any real power to use sports as a political tool. What would they do? Ask teams to boycott games against India? Good luck with that

 

[BreadPakoda]

Most organisations will use power the way they want to.

PCB has historically been led by low lifes who don’t spare their own when it comes to power games or to earn an extra buck. Only a fool will think PCB is an exception.

 

[Technics 1210]

PCB tried to move the WC’11 out of India. Failed. Sued BCCI. Failed.

More importantly, PCB doesn’t have any real power to use sports as a political tool. What would they do? Ask teams to boycott games against India? Good luck with that

Didn't PCB successfully move the Asia Cup out of india? India's VISA fiasco towards Pak players also resulted orgs outside of India to ban hosting tournaments, such as the IOC. Success on another level.

 

[Savak]

PCB is better of focusing on getting its own house in order and just be patient to let Pakistan India relations get better politically.

The PCB should be focusing on its relationships with the other Big 5 boards and the PSL and carrying out Wasim Khan's agenda in the next 2-3 years.

 

[Itachi]

Didn't PCB successfully move the Asia Cup out of india? India's VISA fiasco towards Pak players also resulted orgs outside of India to ban hosting tournaments, such as the IOC. Success on another level.

IOC is outside the jurisdiction of BCCI and don't have any relationship with cricket. Stop detailing the thread.

 

[Technics 1210]

IOC is outside the jurisdiction of BCCI and don't have any relationship with cricket. Stop detailing the thread.

The point was BCCIs bully boy tactics is affecting India, even outside of cricket. The world is waking up to the nature of the BCCI, in that, trying to teach the BCCI that politics shouldn't play a role in sport.

 

[Itachi]

The point was BCCIs bully boy tactics is affecting India, even outside of cricket. The world is waking up to the nature of the BCCI, in that, trying to teach the BCCI that politics shouldn't play a role in sport.

It's all relative pal, no need to weep.

Does BCCI have jurisdiction over visa?

 

[Technics 1210]

Does BCCI have jurisdiction over visa?

Yes. Because a VISA applicant requires a reason/sponsership, and in the case of cricket in India, it would be the BCCI that provides the sponsor. Of course GOI is responsible to GRANT the visa, but without BCCI endorsement, the application doesn't see the light of day.

When was the last time you applied for an international visa? Just asking because I bet many people are not aware of the process.

 

[Itachi]

Yes. Because a VISA applicant requires a reason/sponsership, and in the case of cricket in India, it would be the BCCI that provides the sponsor. Of course GOI is responsible to GRANT the visa, but without BCCI endorsement, the application doesn't see the light of day.

When was the last time you applied for an international visa? Just asking because I bet many people are not aware of the process.

In case you missed, the reference was does BCCI have jurisdiction over visa over IOC tournament as you've been mentioning it.

As far my visa concerned, old ppers already know my history. So let's cut the chase and in simple words, yes I have applied for visa time to time.

 

[Technics 1210]

In case you missed, the reference was does BCCI have jurisdiction over visa over IOC tournament as you've been mentioning it.

As far my international visa concerned, old ppers already know my history. So let's cut the chase and in simple words, yes I have applied for international visa time to time.

Bcci refusing to provide sponsor for pakistan players made news around the world and IOC reacted. Now stop pretended IOCs reaction had nothing to do with BCCI actions.

You miss a lot of things. Yes I'm new, maybe you can tell me about your history. I won't miss it in the future.

 

[Technics 1210]

You’re only proving my point. PCB has tried to do badmaashi with BCCI. Don’t come crying when PCB gets screwed by BCCI.

So you agree PCB forced BCCI to shift the Asia Cup outside of india.

PCB didn't just try, seems like they succeeded and you are the one crying.

Hey you win some you lose some.

 

[PakLFC]

PCB need to sort themselves out before they take on the BCCI. As India provides the most money to the BCCI we need to accept the current scenario. There is no reason wwhy the PCB should still not be much more influential then what they are.

 

[Abu_Hamza]

PCB must make its cricket attractive inspite of whining about BCCI not playing them. Indian cricket team future tour programme doesnt have PAK playing them till 2023. It shows how much do they care about playing Pak. Why doesnt PCB show such attitude ? Even Indian fans dont give a damn about it. Why cant Pak fans do the same ? Its like chasing a girlfriend who doesnt give a damn about you as she is having a lot of options but u r still running for her as u have no option other than her. One can easily understand that where Indian cricket team has reached in last 10-12 years without playing PAK and where Pak team has reached without playing INDIA. PCB should have moved on and made peace with it but instead of doing this, they kept on cribbing about it and went to ICC courts and paid BCCI for it. They could have used that money for cricket related things. The thing is that the top brass of the PCB was never interested in improving its brand of cricket and all. They were busy in filling their own pockets and putting all the blame on BCCI for their own incompetency.

 

[Itachi]

Bcci refusing to provide sponsor for pakistan players made news around the world and IOC reacted. Now stop pretended IOCs reaction had nothing to do with BCCI actions.

You miss a lot of things. Yes I'm new, maybe you can tell me about your history. I won't miss it in the future.

If I use logics in that way, then me going to toilet for morning routine will end up in BCCI choosing some X player over Y. Thats what Jacobs chain is (remember the movie ink)? All you have to do is bring correlation out of thin air and then present them as facts. What you've presented is just a hypothesis. And you can't make conclusion based upon a hypothesis.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

PCB need to sort themselves out before they take on the BCCI. As India provides the most money to the BCCI we need to accept the current scenario. There is no reason wwhy the PCB should still not be much more influential then what they are.

Agreed, PCB has a responsibility to sort out it's own cricket infrastructure, many fans have been calling for that for decades now, and to give them credit, it seems like they are finally trying to do this.

PCB didn't open this thread here either, it is done by a fan. Perhaps Pakistan fans should concentrate on their own cricket and Indian fans should concentrate on theirs. Is that fair enough?

 

[Technics 1210]

If I use logics in that way, then me going to toilet for morning routine will end up in BCCI choosing some X player over Y. Thats what Jacobs chain is (remember the movie ink)? All you have to do is bring correlation out of thin air and then present them as facts. What you've presented is just a hypothesis. And you can't make conclusion based upon a hypothesis.

Citing movies now? You have not countered the facts, just trying to deflect the realities cos you learned something new. It's not a hypothesis; BCCI denied Visas, then india denied visas for 2 Pakistani shooters preventing them from participating in indian shooting comp, hey presto India is banned by the IOC. This is a conclusion based on a series of empirical verifiable facts.

Alas! I cannot complete with your long term PP wisdom!

 

[oneindia]

I did. Gather most of nations, tell ICC to go straight, else form a new fair council with those nation. There will be funds along the way. I am sure many sponsors would want to support fair cricket rather than scripted one. Get 50-60 nations on board if needed. Its a long and struggling road, but its the only visible way to save the game. India cant survive on their giant share alone. They do need dummy nations playing against them to survive for long.

its wishful thinking but do you think other boards have that much problem with BCCI as much as PCB? come on We have this thread here because all too powerful is BCCI not ECB or ACB. But for rest of the world it was ECB before BCCI now, Strong BCCI gives a voice to other Asian countries, So your think is just wishful on paper.

 

[BaankeJi]

Citing movies now? You have not countered the facts, just trying to deflect the realities cos you learned something new. It's not a hypothesis; BCCI denied Visas, then india denied visas for 2 Pakistani shooters preventing them from participating in indian shooting comp, hey presto India is banned by the IOC. This is a conclusion based on a series of empirical verifiable facts.

Alas! I cannot complete with your long term PP wisdom!

Dude, BCCI doesn't have any part in visa refusal. Stop blaming BCCI for something that it can't do.

 

[PakLFC]

Agreed, PCB has a responsibility to sort out it's own cricket infrastructure, many fans have been calling for that for decades now, and to give them credit, it seems like they are finally trying to do this.

PCB didn't open this thread here either, it is done by a fan. Perhaps Pakistan fans should concentrate on their own cricket and Indian fans should concentrate on theirs. Is that fair enough?

BCCI is powerful and the PCB is not due to it's own inefficiency. This is sadly a fact for us Pakistanis that we need to accept. Had the PCB been a mature organisation we would be much more powerful. I will believe the PCB is sorting themselves out when I see the results.

 

[Itachi]

Citing movies now? You have not countered the facts, just trying to deflect the realities cos you learned something new. It's not a hypothesis; BCCI denied Visas, then india denied visas for 2 Pakistani shooters preventing them from participating in indian shooting comp, hey presto India is banned by the IOC. This is a conclusion based on a series of empirical verifiable facts.

Alas! I cannot complete with your long term PP wisdom!

"BCCI denied visas". Based upon this claim, I'll say that other than GOI, no institution can exercise visa deniable process in India. Hence anything you will conclude after this assumption, will be far from the truth as the assumption is itself is wrong.

 

[Technics 1210]

Dude, BCCI doesn't have any part in visa refusal. Stop blaming BCCI for something that it can't do.

Yes they do. BCCI can refuse to sponsor cricketers for tournaments hence cricketers cannot apply for a VISA. BCCI provide sponsor / GoI approve. It is a 2 stage process. This 2 stage process is applicable to every VISA application in ANY country in the world.

Go to the indian immigration website and download a visa form and look at the Visa requirements for submission. Players must provide a reason to play cricket in India, and proof, this proof comes from the BCCI in the form of an invite - or known as a sponsor.

You and most users are not privy to the process let alone the difference between jurisdiction and influence. Do BCCI have jurisdiction over the ICC? No. Do BCCI have influence over the ICC? Yes. Same applies for VISA process for cricket players.

Learn the difference, learn the process, and accept the facts instead of trying to wriggle out of hole based on ignorance.

 

[Technics 1210]

"BCCI denied visas". Based upon this claim, I'll say that other than GOI, no institution can exercise visa deniable process in India. Hence anything you will conclude after this assumption, will be far from the truth as the assumption is itself is wrong.

Another technical argument?

In simple English: BCCi denied the sponsors which is result in the effect of denying a visa submission. Facts remain, BCCI is the first step of approval in visa submission related to all thing cricket in India.

I do not believe for a minute you have travelled the world. To question a visa process smacks in the face of your claims.

 

[nextover666666]

Pakistanis tend to be unnecessarily insecure about BCCI. A lot of the troubles they have had, they too had a part in it.

I don’t see overall BCCI is bad for cricket. Things weren’t any better when it was Big 2 - Aussies and English.

If anything BCCI has balanced things and made Asian bloc stronger.

BCCI didn't balance any thing they made things worst in fact Indian Hasan minhaj on his show patriotic act explained how BCCI ruined the games of create and also damaged its growth to spread across the world. Instead of having ten team world cups we should be looking to have more and more teams

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

I have learnt one very important lessons in life.

When someone appears all powerful, everyone's afraid to take them on. Most extoll their virtues and point to all the facts that person or entity is powerful.

However, a small few, usually powerless one's see the injustice in the omnipotence of the oppressors and take them on - to the derision of many and the fear of all. And many a time, make all the difference.

They may not always take the powerful down, but they make their voices count - and these are the one's who bring balance and harmony. Not the easily impressed or the easily scared.

In the case of India, I feel by and large PCB's grievances are sour grapes However, on an overall world cricket governance level, BCCI gets away with many small but eventually meaningful injustices due to majority being unable to speak up or being too busy counting BCCI's virtues. Those are the small wrongs that some in cricket world are mentioning in small voices - and which I believe, over time will be the reason cricket will become more egalitarian.

PCB should focus on getting their own house in order. They are embarrassing for what they have done to their own cricket and how shambolic their handling of global relationships is. They have done no legwork on forming alliances, having a voice on the global stage or even put up a united, competent front from within. They are poor representatives of their country.

BCCI on the other hand, has every right to cash in on what they have built. But with great power comes great responsibility. They have been largely good - but in some areas they can really do to have the greater good of the game in sight - or they will end up killing the goose with the golden eggs.

Or the small voices may become big enough to matter.

 

[Hornbill]

Pakistan doesn't allow political events outside of the game to affect sporting ties with India. That is the difference. Even the much hated military dictator Gen Zia spoke of using cricket to build ties rather than as a weapon.

Pakistan pulled out of 1991 Asia cup held in india due to political tensions with india

 

[Sidilicious]

I have learnt one very important lessons in life.

When someone appears all powerful, everyone's afraid to take them on. Most extoll their virtues and point to all the facts that person or entity is powerful.

However, a small few, usually powerless one's see the injustice in the omnipotence of the oppressors and take them on - to the derision of many and the fear of all. And many a time, make all the difference.

They may not always take the powerful down, but they make their voices count - and these are the one's who bring balance and harmony. Not the easily impressed or the easily scared.

In the case of India, I feel by and large PCB's grievances are sour grapes However, on an overall world cricket governance level, BCCI gets away with many small but eventually meaningful injustices due to majority being unable to speak up or being too busy counting BCCI's virtues. Those are the small wrongs that some in cricket world are mentioning in small voices - and which I believe, over time will be the reason cricket will become more egalitarian.

PCB should focus on getting their own house in order. They are embarrassing for what they have done to their own cricket and how shambolic their handling of global relationships is. They have done no legwork on forming alliances, having a voice on the global stage or even put up a united, competent front from within. They are poor representatives of their country.

BCCI on the other hand, has every right to cash in on what they have built. But with great power comes great responsibility. They have been largely good - but in some areas they can really do to have the greater good of the game in sight - or they will end up killing the goose with the golden eggs.

Or the small voices may become big enough to matter.

Very well put. A very balanced post.

 

[Stewie]

There is a huge market for cricket in Pakistan just like India. People want to see cricket. We have all the ingredients India has and there is no reason why Pakistan cannot be as financially successful, we just need to bring cricket back our country and build a better system of franchise cricket once it does come back home. We can also generate if not not as much as India’s
but competitive revenue for our cricket.

Our board needs a proper strategy and business plan. We need to keep people like jahaz butt, away from our cricket, and need professional business minded folks who can make us profitable.

 

[Knight_Rider]

Cricket is alive because of India so they deserve to rule the Cricket body.

In this case, they shouldn’t waste time on playing with other international teams and only have a year long ipl.

Reality is that without diversity and broadening appeal of the game, its bound to become boring and obsolete. If one team/country dominates for too long, others will start losing interest and that will kill the Sport.

India and BCCI are bad for the sport. You don’t really need that much investment to play a game of cricket and televise it. So all this money from India/BCCI isnt really needed. People should play the game for love of it and not just for $$$ (ofcourse all within reason).

 

[Knight_Rider]

How is BCCI/India evil for refusing to play Pakistan in bilateral series.

Sheer arrogance of BCCI and Indian fans is off putting for many. Trying too hard to imitate White Saab!

 

[The Yorker]

You know why because too many apologists for the BCCI even amongst all other nations including Pakistan allowing the BCCI to rule over international cricket. India more than ever resembles Nazi Germany. Yet the propaganda will continue and the apologists willContinue the right of the Indian fascists to rule and exploit international cricket.

 

[Itachi]

You know why because too many apologists for the BCCI even amongst all other nations including Pakistan allowing the BCCI to rule over international cricket. India more than ever resembles Nazi Germany. Yet the propaganda will continue and the apologists willContinue the right of the Indian fascists to rule and exploit international cricket.

Who's the savior (or atleast has the potential to do so)?

 

[Balthazar]

How is BCCI ruining the game? They just made changes to the revenue model. And BCCI is now helping Afghanistan cricket and not to mention other Asian boards. PCB need to introspect and start contributing to the world cricket.

 

[Knight_Rider]

How is BCCI ruining the game? They just made changes to the revenue model. And BCCI is now helping Afghanistan cricket and not to mention other Asian boards. PCB need to introspect and start contributing to the world cricket.

Everyone knows that India (Bcci) has ulterior motives to support Afghanistan. They aren’t doing it for the good of Humanity. Just looking at all the recent thrashings of Afghanistan team, i dont really think that it will be getting anywhere anytime soon.

 

[Itachi]

Everyone knows that India (Bcci) has ulterior motives to support Afghanistan. They aren’t doing it for the good of Humanity. Just looking at all the recent thrashings of Afghanistan team, i dont really think that it will be getting anywhere anytime soon.

What's the motive?

 

[Knight_Rider]

Ain’t gonna feed the troll. Happy hunting!

 

[Itachi]

Ain’t gonna feed the troll. Happy hunting!

I am not trolling. You stated BCCI has ulterior motive. Hypothetically speaking, let's say it has it.

I just asked what is this motive?

Every now and then any Tom Dick Harry comes in and states those same words. But when asked what's the motive, no one seems to have an answer.

 

[DRsohail]

Pakistanis tend to be unnecessarily insecure about BCCI. A lot of the troubles they have had, they too had a part in it.

I don’t see overall BCCI is bad for cricket. Things weren’t any better when it was Big 2 - Aussies and English.

If anything BCCI has balanced things and made Asian bloc stronger.

Looks like side effects of out bad performances, BCCI has mot done worst than big 2

 

[Revolution]

There is a huge market for cricket in Pakistan just like India. People want to see cricket. We have all the ingredients India has and there is no reason why Pakistan cannot be as financially successful, we just need to bring cricket back our country and build a better system of franchise cricket once it does come back home. We can also generate if not not as much as India’s
but competitive revenue for our cricket.

Our board needs a proper strategy and business plan. We need to keep people like jahaz butt, away from our cricket, and need professional business minded folks who can make us profitable.

This is solution. NOT crying for every thing and bring BCCI.
Your board need strict rules on match fixing and corruption should stop at PCB.
Show the revenue to ICC and govt should support to bring down the dollar value.