BCCI's dominance: How long will the PCB and other boards allow this to continue?

[satheesh]

on a surface level Pakistan has a huge fan base, Pakistan has some factors that can be used to positively influence ' some other countries with huge fan base of the game' etc etc. Yet if Pakistan has no influence , then they themselves have to blame. International Cricket has been rejected in Pakistan for the last 10 years.Who is responsible for this???? BCCI????? So look into the mirror instead of blaming BCCI for each and every thing.

 

[Revolution]

on a surface level Pakistan has a huge fan base, Pakistan has some factors that can be used to positively influence ' some other countries with huge fan base of the game' etc etc. Yet if Pakistan has no influence , then they themselves have to blame. International Cricket has been rejected in Pakistan for the last 10 years.Who is responsible for this???? BCCI????? So look into the mirror instead of blaming BCCI for each and every thing.

+1. And also few things not in PCB hand here

World image on Pakistan also plays vital role.

Incidents in Pakistan in 2019
1.February 2019 Balochistan attacks
2.2019 Lahore bombing
3.January 2019 Loralai attack
4.2019 Makran massacre
5.2019 Pearl Continental Hotel attack
6.2019 Quetta bombing

How nations will come forward for bilateral series.

 

[Balthazar]

Everyone knows that India (Bcci) has ulterior motives to support Afghanistan. They aren’t doing it for the good of Humanity. Just looking at all the recent thrashings of Afghanistan team, i dont really think that it will be getting anywhere anytime soon.

So what is their motive to support Sri Lanka then? SLC is in a good ties with Pakistan cricket board. Or Zimbabwe or even Ireland. Can you name few positive things that Pakistan has contributed to World Cricket?

 

[Joseph Gomes]

How is BCCI ruining anything? Them not playing Pakistan is their choice. Cricket was previously dominated by England and Australia for 100 years, then India joined the party. If Pakistan has any issue with Big 3, they should join and make Big 4.

BCCI has money and a huge audience, they will do whatever it takes to maximize profit. Pakistan should focus on that as well. I don't see Bangladesh or SL talking about BCCI.

 

[shockbound]

[MENTION=149223]shockbound[/MENTION]

Please elaborate on how BCCI are halting the growth of the game and are not playing with formats to grow the game, whatever that means.

Some of the obvious ones are mentioned in Hasan Minhaj's cricket corruption video. There are more which were generalized in betting/fixing and bullying lines.

 

[The_Odd_One]

India’s dominance is actually good for other Asian teams. Now, teams do care about winning in the subcontinent. There was a time when some elite players wouldn’t even play a full series in Asia.

India’s dominance also means that certain roles like spinners also receive the respect which they never had in the past. It is no coincidence that most teams have started taking spin bowling more seriously.

I just do not understand the jealousy of Pakistani fans. None but Pakistan has a problem with big 2 becoming big 3. India’s evolution is only good for cricket. Players can make more money now and teams like Afghanistan have all the opportunities to one day become an elite team. India’s dominance also means end of racism against colored cricketers. No racist umpire can survive anymore unlike the past.

Similarly, England and Australia can not impose any changes in Cricket which are against the strengths of Asian teams.

 

[The Yorker]

PCB can not compete with BCCI at a commercial level. Let’s not play games. We know the Indian govt and groups with allegiances to right wing groups is targeting Pakistan Cricket and wishing to isolate Pakistanis from the rest of the cricketing world, but there are only a handful of top cricketing nations and Pakistan cricket is here to stay and will only get stronger. If Pakistan is able to bring the PSL back to Pakistan and build a strong domestic product then Pakistan can develop it product and market it more effectively and have PSL Pakistan Cup matches in the UK, UAE THE USA and other parts of the world. The PCB and Pak govt needs to thing big and develop Pakistan cricket to a greater thereby challenging IPL and the other big nations and becoming a bigger and more serious player in world cricket. However considering the biggest payers of TV rights are our arch enemy there is only so far Pak cricket can develop. I don’t see Sky Sports in the UK making a big offer to show PSL games.

 

[Mamoon]

Some of the obvious ones are mentioned in Hasan Minhaj's cricket corruption video. There are more which were generalized in betting/fixing and bullying lines.

If you can provide an in-depth analysis of why you think BCCI is halting the progress of the game, I will be more than happy to debate the merits of the argument.

 

[jadaja]

Sheer arrogance of BCCI and Indian fans is off putting for many. Trying too hard to imitate White Saab!

How is it arrogance, they don't want to play Pakistan in bilateral series.You are trying hard to create a point when there is none.

 

[aqeelPK]

Don't know how "BCCI is halting the growth of the game". It has always supported cricket boards of neighbouring countries (except Pakistan). Stood with BCB for test status. Now helping Afgan board, previously also helped Nepal. Always stands with SLC. Any board which is even half serious about cricket and asks for help, BCCI never said NO to them. India also tours Zimbabwe and Ireland more often than Australia or England.

Infact BCCI has done more than any board. It has also made Asian block much stronger than before.

Asian boards should just accept BCCI as a leader and follow it. In this way they will benefit more.

They even helped Pakistan in 1996 & 2004 when we needed the most. BCCI has done remarkably well so far for the game of cricket. Everything improved drastically ever since they took the leadership (finances, quality of cricket, global expansion, franchise cricket, players earning, broadcasting quality & range etc). The only concern with BCCI is they take dictation from govt when it comes to playing with Pakistan. It is not just PCB which is suffering financial losses due to this, BCCI's earnings also suffer & more importantly cricket fans around the world are missing out on the most fierce rivalry in sport. A whole generation has grown up without watching IndPak test match. This must end at some point sooner the better. Both the Govts & boards must work on it at top priority. Once this political issue is sorted out then I am sure Pakistanis will also accept BCCI as the leader of cricket.

 

[jadaja]

Some people need just to vent.Show me which board is done more for any other boards.WI players walked out of a tour leaving India in cold due to their internal problems.If BCCI sued and dragged WICB to court, West Indies cricket would have been setback for a decade.

Even WI players were offered to paid by BCCI .Whenever India travels that particular board's cash registers become full.

BCCI is bound by Govt who don't want ties with Pakistan till their political issues are sorted out.Indian public has accepted Govt decision and they are not craving for India Pakistan series.

How does this show BCCI is arrogant or bad for the game.If BCCI stopped Pakistan or PCB from doing anything then you all might have a complaint.It has not done anything of that sort.

 

[jonny darko]

If you can provide an in-depth analysis of why you think BCCI is halting the progress of the game, I will be more than happy to debate the merits of the argument.

A 10 team ipl-esque circus-show hosted in the rotten, old blighty is being bandied around as "tHe wOrLd cUp"!

 

[Mp812]

An ideal scenario for some would be for PCB, BCB, SLC, ZCB , CSA to form a new ICC and boycott BCCI and ICC because of the so called "Unfair bullying".
But has anyone thought then what ?
The rebellion will last 1 year.
Then slowly BCB or SLC or both will crumble after a juicy carrot is offered. CSA will also follow.
Then PCB and ZCB remain... and Pakistan will be undisputed no 1 in tests, ODI and have a few double centurions in ODIs and consecutive series wins.
Be practical guys

 

[the Great Khan]

Some people need just to vent.Show me which board is done more for any other boards.WI players walked out of a tour leaving India in cold due to their internal problems.If BCCI sued and dragged WICB to court, West Indies cricket would have been setback for a decade.

Even WI players were offered to paid by BCCI .Whenever India travels that particular board's cash registers become full.

BCCI is bound by Govt who don't want ties with Pakistan till their political issues are sorted out.Indian public has accepted Govt decision and they are not craving for India Pakistan series.

How does this show BCCI is arrogant or bad for the game.If BCCI stopped Pakistan or PCB from doing anything then you all might have a complaint.It has not done anything of that sort.

The PCB has. You need to read peter Obournes book wounded tiger to understand that. We helped found the ACC and helped countries like bangladesh, and sri lanka. We also went up against the old colonial power England and the aussies on issues like neutral umpires (which we were instrumental in initiating). there are other issues around tours and unfairness that the PCB has championed for decades.

The BCCI is now a tool to be used by Right wing fascist extremists just like other Indian institutions. The Indian govt has a stated policy to isolate Pakistan culturally and diplomatically. Isolating Pakistan by preventing cricket in teh country through the sponsoring of the TTP and then making sure the cricket boycott against the country is maintained is part of the project. other ways in which the BCCI has been used is around actions e.g. hafeez and ajmal where the law was changed knowing it would impact Pakistan the most. granted the law wasnt Pakistan specific but teh fact that Pakistan would be most affected ensured it passed quicker without many obstacles.

Another way in which the BCCI has proven a detrement to the game is its successful lobbying and pursuit of rule changes that ultimatley benefit the batsman. England and the aussies have gone along with it because of the monetary awards but the BCCI has ensured that ODI playing conditions have simply become similar to their own home country. Thus allowing their team the ability to remain relevant for far longer than one could have envisioned. Ultimatley the cricket market in england and australia is dominated by a certain clique that can pay for the game behind a pay wall. They have thus outsourced the sustenance of the game to India.

 

[jadaja]

The PCB has. You need to read peter Obournes book wounded tiger to understand that. We helped found the ACC and helped countries like bangladesh, and sri lanka. We also went up against the old colonial power England and the aussies on issues like neutral umpires (which we were instrumental in initiating). there are other issues around tours and unfairness that the PCB has championed for decades.

The BCCI is now a tool to be used by Right wing fascist extremists just like other Indian institutions. The Indian govt has a stated policy to isolate Pakistan culturally and diplomatically. Isolating Pakistan by preventing cricket in teh country through the sponsoring of the TTP and then making sure the cricket boycott against the country is maintained is part of the project. other ways in which the BCCI has been used is around actions e.g. hafeez and ajmal where the law was changed knowing it would impact Pakistan the most. granted the law wasnt Pakistan specific but teh fact that Pakistan would be most affected ensured it passed quicker without many obstacles.

Another way in which the BCCI has proven a detrement to the game is its successful lobbying and pursuit of rule changes that ultimatley benefit the batsman. England and the aussies have gone along with it because of the monetary awards but the BCCI has ensured that ODI playing conditions have simply become similar to their own home country. Thus allowing their team the ability to remain relevant for far longer than one could have envisioned. Ultimatley the cricket market in england and australia is dominated by a certain clique that can pay for the game behind a pay wall. They have thus outsourced the sustenance of the game to India.

Good for PCB if it did something good.So how does that prove BCCI is bad for the game.

Indian govt does not want to play Pakistan in bilateral series.There is no right wing conspiracy there, I being Indian fan agree with that , I don't want any bilateral series against Pakistan until political issues are sorted out.

Hafeez and Ajmal were chucking and were kicked out rightfully so, chuckers don't deserve to be in the game .Nobody stopped them from bowling with right actions.How is BCCI responsbile for Hafeez or Ajmal not able to chuck their way to glory.

PCB influence was never bigger than BCCI's at any point in their existence.1987 world cup was grand success but it did not fetch any money to eith PCB or BCCI.It was Dalmia who brought the money for Asian block and ICC.Once Dalmia stepped in BCCI went so far ahead that it is not even close now.

What rule changes have BCCI lobbied show me the proof , stop with your convulted theories.What I observed is PCB still likes to be subserviant to colonial powers and their thinking has permeated to its fans.

PCB feels it is still equal to BCCI, I have news flash for you, it is not equal to BCCI.BCCI wanted big three that is the only time they flexed their muscle to get larger share of the pie.Why should other countries get equal share when revenue is being generated mainly due to India.

PCB or Pakistan does not have any right to tell where and with whom India should play its cricket.India and Indian public have moved on about bilateral series issue, it is high time PCB and its fans do the same.

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[loves_cricket]

If any thing BCCI love to have India Pakistan matches at every available opportunity.
Two biggest cricket loving nations and their great rivalries are big money spinning opportunities.
Both nations have huge burden of historical issues and till that is solved fans of both countries will not see any bi-literal series soon.
Also why blame BCCI for any problems PCB have?
Did BCCI stopped any other board playing cricket with PCB.
Only thing BCCI have done is not allowing Pak players to play in IPL.

 

[Savak]

Actually PCB can easily rival India upon achieving its potential in South Asia.

 

[shockbound]

If any thing BCCI love to have India Pakistan matches at every available opportunity.
Two biggest cricket loving nations and their great rivalries are big money spinning opportunities.
Both nations have huge burden of historical issues and till that is solved fans of both countries will not see any bi-literal series soon.
Also why blame BCCI for any problems PCB have?
Did BCCI stopped any other board playing cricket with PCB.
Only thing BCCI have done is not allowing Pak players to play in IPL.

Yes, through IPL money.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Actually PCB can easily rival India upon achieving its potential in South Asia.

The diff in size of economy matters. A lot.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Yes, through IPL money.

What?

 

[shockbound]

What?

They are able to push other nations to pick up security excuse to not tour here in return of their IPL bag of goodies.

 

[cricketjoshila]

They are able to push other nations to pick up security excuse to not tour here in return of their IPL bag of goodies.

Lolfer. Look up the travel advisories on pakistan by govts. A team got attacked and its players injured in Pakistan.

Its not an excuse, its the reality of Pakistan.

 

[madwolf]

They are able to push other nations to pick up security excuse to not tour here in return of their IPL bag of goodies.

IPL is 11 years old.

Aus hasn't toured in 20 years

Eng hasn't toured in 14 years

NZ in 17 years

SA in 16 years

 

[CricketIsAwesome]

$$ talks and as long as BCCI has it, they will. Self preservation always comes first. Folks can talk all politics etc but PCB's fateful decision, almost decade ago, in preventing Pak players from participating in IPL when it was in its infancy sealed their fate.
If PCB had a crystal ball and could see how big IPL would become filling in BCCI coffers, I am sure they would have decided otherwise.
There was a time in history when cricket players around the globe strived to participate in UK's annual county cricket bonanza. IPL is exactly at that level now and until it continues to rake in money, BCCI will be on a roll

 

[Revolution]

Logically speaking, even if Pak players are listed in IPL, i don't think IPL owners will invest money on pak batsman baring afridi and few bowlers.
Even if it is purchased how many will be in playing 11.

Just see none of the bangla or Lanka players are played in Final 11.

Dominate Foreign players will be from SA, England and Australia.

 

[MenInG]

Not sure why but seems some kind of a message for all of us when I go to ICC's Twitter via browser

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Not sure why but seems some kind of a message for all of us when I go to ICC's Twitter via browser

View attachment 106211

Pure data science and statistical machine learning at play.
Most of the accounts following ICC also follow these other accounts.

So, this shows twitters algorithm is running without any bias.
It's just providing suggestion based on data available.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

$$ talks and as long as BCCI has it, they will. Self preservation always comes first. Folks can talk all politics etc but PCB's fateful decision, almost decade ago, in preventing Pak players from participating in IPL when it was in its infancy sealed their fate.
If PCB had a crystal ball and could see how big IPL would become filling in BCCI coffers, I am sure they would have decided otherwise.
There was a time in history when cricket players around the globe strived to participate in UK's annual county cricket bonanza. IPL is exactly at that level now and until it continues to rake in money, BCCI will be on a roll

This is one of the reasons. PCB, at that point of time due to political pressure tried to hurt IPL.
In the long run now, It has hurt Pakistan players the most.
I don't think we will see Pakistan players like ever, In IPL. Unless both countries change their stance completely and hold some peace event.

 

[Majestic_Inzi]

The war in Afghanistan hindered pakistans progress, its been ridiculous amounts of years since the top 3 have come to play in pak.

Add to that india not playin pakistan which was a calculated long term move to hinder pakistan cricket long term. This has somewhat been successful but i think the tide can turn.