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Ben Stokes WHO? Move out of the way, Shakib Al Hasan has always been THE GREATEST all-rounder

Both are rubbish to be honest, especially Shakib; we shouldn't celebrate his mediocrity. Stokes was very impactful but is a bit out of form now, I'd always pick him ahead of Shakib
 
Shakib is the best all-rounder in the world today thanks to the mediocrity that inflicts the world of cricket right now. He goes missing in a lot of games, so much so that he is not even noticeable in some games. The best always have a presence, Shakib doesn't.
 
Shakib is ok vs top teams and is world class vs weaker ones. At best he may end as a Shaun Pollock level allrounder...nowhere near the 80s allrounders however.

He's better than Stokes as of now, will moretime remain better too.
 
shaz619 said:
Both are rubbish to be honest, especially Shakib; we shouldn't celebrate his mediocrity. Stokes was very impactful but is a bit out of form now, I'd always pick him ahead of Shakib
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this

why are you so right always :smith
 
shakib is way
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ahead of stokes.... stokes iz nowhere near ABDUL RAZZAQ, JACQUES KALLIS or ANDREW FLINTOFF... he is actually not even in the bottom of that league...
 
Usman Chadda said:
Shakib is the best all-rounder in the world today thanks to the mediocrity that inflicts the world of cricket right now. He goes missing in a lot of games, so much so that he is not even noticeable in some games. The best always have a presence, Shakib doesn't.
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Now this is absolutely true.
 
shaz619 said:
Both are rubbish to be honest, especially Shakib; we shouldn't celebrate his mediocrity. Stokes was very impactful but is a bit out of form now, I'd always pick him ahead of Shakib
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Wait weren't you the one who opened this thread and said Shakib is the best allrounder in the world and truly exceptional player.
 
Usman Chadda said:
Shakib is the best all-rounder in the world today thanks to the mediocrity that inflicts the world of cricket right now. He goes missing in a lot of games, so much so that he is not even noticeable in some games. The best always have a presence, Shakib doesn't.
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Where did he go missing? He has been averaging 50+ with bat in Tests for the past 3 years or so. Or maybe you have no idea about it because you don't care to look into facts.
 
Executioner said:
Wait weren't you the one who opened this thread and said Shakib is the best allrounder in the world and truly exceptional player.
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Many posters have enlightened me in this thread so being an individual with no ego I accept my inital mistake
 
Executioner said:
Where did he go missing? He has been averaging 50+ with bat in Tests for the past 3 years or so. Or maybe you have no idea about it because you don't care to look into facts.
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so does hafeez have 50 average from (2013 t0 2016)he have not played a test in 2017

and bowling average of 33 in that time frame

the point is you cannot take selective performance and justify as a reason

SHakib lacks impact and he is bangladesh legend but never be in the league of legends he is just decent
 
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saeed5646 said:
so does hafeez have 50 average from (2013 t0 2016)he have not played a test in 2017

and bowling average of 33 in that time frame

the point is you cannot take selective performance and justify as a reason

SHakib lacks impact and he is bangladesh legend but never be in the league of legends he is just decent
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Correction it is from 2014 to 2016
 
shaz619 said:
Many posters have enlightened me in this thread so being an individual with no ego I accept my inital mistake
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hafeez and shakib performance are similar in last 3 years of test it just shows the quality of allrounders these days


hafeez from 2014 to 2016 .he have not the any test in 2017

batting
Mats
15
Runs
1300
Ave
50.00
HS
224
100s
4
50s
3
Bowling

Mats
15
Wkts
18
Ave
33.66
Eco
3.01

Shakib (2014 to 2017)

Batting
Mats
12
Runs
950
Ave
50.00
HS
217
100s
2
50s
4
bowling

Mats
12
Wkts
36
Ave
39.25
Eco
3.42
SR
68.77
5Ws
1
 
saeed5646 said:
hafeez and shakib performance are similar in last 3 years of test it just shows the quality of allrounders these days
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Shakib has made a double hundred in NZ in one of the only two matches he's played outside Asia in this time period while we know Hafeez's exploits outside Asia. Also, Hafeez has bowled very little in this period and has picked up very few number of wickets. Shakib is practically a front-line bowler for BD in Tests.
 
saeed5646 said:
so does hafeez have 50 average from (2013 t0 2016)he have not played a test in 2017

and bowling average of 33 in that time frame

the point is you cannot take selective performance and justify as a reason

SHakib lacks impact and he is bangladesh legend but never be in the league of legends he is just decent
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Two things here.

1) Hafeez is actually a decent batsman

2) Hafeez as a bowler doesn't bowl regularly and infact was banned for chucking too. It's completely different for a player who bowls regularly and also bats in the top 5.
 
shaz619 said:
Many posters have enlightened me in this thread so being an individual with no ego I accept my inital mistake
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No one has come up with a convincing post just yet to make you tilt to the other side.
 
I think ICC knows more about this than arm chairs analyst at Pakpassion.

Test Ranking for Allrounders

1 Shakib Al Hasan BAN 431
6 B.A. Stokes ENG 318

ODI Ranking for Allrounders

1 Shakib Al Hasan BAN 353
6 B.A. Stokes ENG 278

Shakib has been the #1 allrounders for like the last decade or so. The only person who was better than Shakib was Shane Watson at his peak.
 
shaz619 said:
Both are rubbish to be honest, especially Shakib; we shouldn't celebrate his mediocrity. Stokes was very impactful but is a bit out of form now, I'd always pick him ahead of Shakib
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What?

You started this thread you jobber:)))
 
shaz619 said:
I have, stokes is better
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Funny coming from someone who claimed Shakib is much better but then you have different opinion.

Usually people have different opinions after something happening to suggest the contrary. Stokes has struggled a bit after this thread was opened. Shakib didn't play anything
 
Executioner said:
Funny coming from someone who claimed Shakib is much better but then you have different opinion.

Usually people have different opinions after something happening to suggest the contrary. Stokes has struggled a bit after this thread was opened. Shakib didn't play anything
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Well I've changed my mind now, there are some who will never be willing to change their thoughts but in light of what many have said in this thread and neutral fans alike I can't accept that Shakib is better now, I thought he was better in the past but now I believe he is rubbish.
 
Executioner said:
You need to ask for views from neutral people. Particularly those who has seen both play for a substantial period of time
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Dude, he is a troll. You don't need to ask anybody. You need to check what cricinfo analysts thinks. Shakib is #1, whereas Stokes is like #6.

However, Stokes is a phenomenal player no doubt and has more potential than Shakib.
 
shaz619 said:
Well I've changed my mind now, there are some who will never be willing to change their thoughts but in light of what many have said in this thread and neutral fans alike I can't accept that Shakib is better now, I thought he was better in the past but now I believe he is rubbish.
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Wait how come Shakib is rubbish NOW?

Right now he is ranked number one allrounder in not one but across all formats. And don't give me excuse of playing against minnows. We have played a fair number of matches against top teams and have won plenty lately. We even won a couple of tests for the first time in our history against quality sides in the past 8 months. And yes Shakib played a crucial roles in both wins
 
humble pie for some fans .what a kock against one of the best bowling side on difficult pitch
 
Stokes is every bit as good with the bat as Botham was. Nowhere near the same bowler at present, sadly.
 
Let's be honest, Sakhib could never play a knock like this. This performance is likely to result in a win for England as well.
 
Maybe Shakib cant play those flamboyant innings like Stokes but can Stokes be as good a bowler as Shakib is? Shakib is a quality spinner. Between 2007-2014 he was arguably among the best spinners in the world all formats combined. His bowling has regressed a bit these days.

And might want to add that Shakib has been averaging 50+ with the bat, including a double hundred in NZ, in tests so he is no mug with the bat.
 
Executioner said:
Maybe Shakib cant play those flamboyant innings like Stokes but can Stokes be as good a bowler as Shakib is? Shakib is a quality spinner. Between 2007-2014 he was arguably among the best spinners in the world all formats combined. His bowling has regressed a bit these days.
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pardon me but is it Stokes fault that he did not debut from 2007 to 2014?? i think it is irrelevant what shakib

was in those years and stokes are early in career compare to shakib so give him the same time shakib

played than watch how he will much better than with stats

Executioner said:
And might want to add that Shakib has been averaging 50+ with the bat, including a double hundred in NZ, in tests so he is no mug with the bat.
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so does stokes have 258 against SA in SA and in NZ stokes have not played single test
 
Stokes is already 25. And Shakib debuted at the age of 18. That means a good part of his career he played as a developing cricketer and in all that time he had massive success. He was the number 1 ranked all-rounder in ODIs and 2nd in tests by his 22nd birthday.
 
saeed5646 said:
pardon me but is it Stokes fault that he did not debut from 2007 to 2014?? i think it is irrelevant what shakib

was in those years and stokes are early in career compare to shakib so give him the same time shakib

played than watch how he will much better than with stats



so does stokes have 258 against SA in SA and in NZ stokes have not played single test
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I think you misunderstood my point. I mentioned that Shakib as a bowler was really exceptional for a long period of time. His bowling is still decent. The point is can Stokes replicate what Shakib did as a bowler?
 
Executioner said:
I think you misunderstood my point. I mentioned that Shakib as a bowler was really exceptional for a long period of time. His bowling is still decent. The point is can Stokes replicate what Shakib did as a bowler?
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shakib is spinner and stokes is fast bowler if stokes maintain his fitness than surpassing shakib in test won,t

be problem for him as a bowler
 
What was I thinking, incredible performance from Stokes once again proves he is levels above Shakib; fantastic performance against a high calibre opponent; Shakib is too timid for me, he'd have been eaten alive by the likes of Morkel, Rabada and Big Vern; I do value his soft runs though, very valuable for minnow cricket.
 
shaz619 said:
What was I thinking, incredible performance from Stokes once again proves he is levels above Shakib; fantastic performance against a high calibre opponent; Shakib is too timid for me, he'd have been eaten alive by the likes of Morkel, Rabada and Big Vern; I do value his soft runs though, very valuable for minnow cricket.
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The timid runs he scored against Bolt southee Milne in a crunch match = timid.
 
[MENTION=130260]Executioner[/MENTION], why do you need to reply to proven trolls? Shakib is a #1 allrounder whereas Stokes is #6. Shakib already took like mad wickets against RSA. Scoring centuries in Test cricket is no big deal at all, even Ashwin can do that against quality opponents.

Why do you care about these armchair analyst:))
 
The quality of the Stokes innings is being put firmly into perspective by the struggles of most other players on this pitch. Only Stokes, Cook, Bairstow and Bavuma have looked anything near comfortable on either team so far, and even they all needed some luck.
 
James said:
The quality of the Stokes innings is being put firmly into perspective by the struggles of most other players on this pitch. Only Stokes, Cook, Bairstow and Bavuma have looked anything near comfortable on either team so far, and even they all needed some luck.
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Stokes is a hell of player, def test quality bat and getting better, a solid bowler, not quite 3rd seamer in most conditions but not far off and a brilliant fielder. Overall what a player.
 
Lol this is like comparing Imran khan with hardik pandya, stokes is not fit enough to shine shakib's jewelry.
 
Shakib is a personified all time great, there is no doubt about that at all; his status is being elevated even further after a fantastic WC tournament, what a player; he is only 32! feels like he has been around forever!
 
Stokes legacy will be getting whacked for four sixes in an over when his country was couple of steps away from winning an ICC tournament trophy. He can only change it if he is able to take his team over line in this World Cup.

Shakib has been a phenomenal cricketer and has been one of BD's first great cricketer who has impacted BD cricket's legacy and is inspiring kids with his all-round multi-performance.
 
Ab Fan said:
Stokes legacy will be getting whacked for four sixes in an over when his country was couple of steps away from winning an ICC tournament trophy. He can only change it if he is able to take his team over line in this World Cup.

Shakib has been a phenomenal cricketer and has been one of BD's first great cricketer who has impacted BD cricket's legacy and is inspiring kids with his all-round multi-performance.
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The two are different types of A/R's but it's worth pointing out that Shakib had to carry BD all by himself with little support for years and years, much tougher under those circumstances to perform well but he did that.
 
Shakib is a phenomenal cricketer, but Stokes has a fear factor and presence that Shakib doesn’t. It is largely down to two factors (a) Shakib is a finger spinner not a fast bowler and (b) Stokes has a more brash persona. In addition, Stokes brilliant fielding puts him ahead as well.
 
What an outstanding world cup. This guy has a few competition for MOS as they have more matches. But this is nothing short of phenomenal. 606 runs 11 wickets !! Showed up on the big stage.
 
Great World Cup for both. Shakib fired in all matches. Stokes did great both in leagues and knockouts. Some of the league matches of England were virtual knockouts. Now who stands tall??
 
You'd reckon Shakib was the real MVP of the league based on performance alone. Not denying Stokes was amazing especially with bat.

Stokes as a batsman is pretty amazing but if you are talking about true allround ability Shakib is definitely the best. Shakib has smashed several allrounder records. Only player to ever score 500+ and take 10+ wickets in a world cup. He is very good in all formats in all departments. He is only average in T20I batting.
 
Ab Fan said:
Stokes legacy will be getting whacked for four sixes in an over when his country was couple of steps away from winning an ICC tournament trophy. <b>He can only change it if he is able to take his team over line in this World Cup. </b>

Shakib has been a phenomenal cricketer and has been one of BD's first great cricketer who has impacted BD cricket's legacy and is inspiring kids with his all-round multi-performance.
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Seems like he heard you!
 
Stokes won his team a WC by hook or by crook, he is ahead of Shakib now and could become one of the best ever in ODIs.
 
Stokes is a pathetic bowler who can do well only in very favorable conditions.

When comparing allrounders, I always give more importance to bowling.

Maybe because I grew up in the era of Imran, Botham, Kapil and Hadlee.

Shakib is a better bowler and at least as good as Stokes in the batting.

On current form Shakib is better than Stokes who happens to play for a stronger team.
 
Joseph Gomes said:
Stokea is a better batsman but he's a very average bowler in LOIs. Shakib is a better allrounder.
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In this world cup, we cant even say that Stokes was better than Shakib as a batsman alone. Shakib broke records with the bat.
 
Madplayer said:
In this world cup, we cant even say that Stokes was better than Shakib as a batsman alone. Shakib broke records with the bat.
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Also in tests Shakib averages close to 40 with the bat while Stokes averages close to 34. Shakib also has better number in T20Is. Stokes overall has better batting stats in ODIs with 40 Average and 90 SR a lot of which is because of flat tracks.

Shakib is actually phenomenal at no. 3. Statistically, he has the 2nd best average at no.3. Was the 3rd highest run scorer in the current world cup(played 1/2 matches fewer than Rohit and Warner).
 
Stokes and Shakib are equal in terms of batting prowess but in bowling, Stokes has been disappointing. Shakib as a bowler in white ball cricket is better.
 
Executioner said:
Also in tests Shakib averages close to 40 with the bat while Stokes averages close to 34. Shakib also has better number in T20Is. Stokes overall has better batting stats in ODIs with 40 Average and 90 SR a lot of which is because of flat tracks.

Shakib is actually phenomenal at no. 3. Statistically, he has the 2nd best average at no.3. Was the 3rd highest run scorer in the current world cup(played 1/2 matches fewer than Rohit and Warner).
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True. Look I am not saying Stokes is bad or anything but Shakib came from a different planet in this world cup. Also, Shakib would have been hailed as the greatest allrounder ever if he was from England or Australia.
 
Both are phenomenal all-rounders and they have proved that post the 80s quartet, Jacques kallis and to some extent maybe Shaun Pollock, these two have established themselves as legends of the game..
 
Madplayer said:
True. Look I am not saying Stokes is bad or anything but Shakib came from a different planet in this world cup. Also, Shakib would have been hailed as the greatest allrounder ever if he was from England or Australia.
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And would have won a few trophies by now
 
Both were very good in the world cup albeit STokes was not much of a bowler in the world cup. He was more a batsman.
 
I still say SHakib is a much better all rounder. Stokes as a bowler can be targetted. And also Stokes has a role that is less burdensome than Shakib's role who had to build and also accelerate. Stokes is surrounded by so many big hitters. Jason Roy, Bairstow, Root, Butler, Morgan.
 
Napa said:
Seems like he heard you!
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Yes, he is an all-time great of the game for me. Always found him fantastic in tests and proved his worth in ODI format as well now. He was the man for England in this tournament.

Shakib was phenomenal as well. Both will go down as all-time greats IMO. Different kind of all-rounders but they were effective in their way.
 
Shakib was easily the best all-round performer of the WC, but because of his final heroics, Stokes will be toasted more.

Pretty unfair, tbh.
 
Stokes' bowling in LOI is not that great tbh. Shakib is a better allround package eventhough his bowling has not been that great also.
 
Stokes is a superior Test all-rounder while Shakib is a superior LOI all-rounder. Both are very talented and are very vital to England and Bangladesh respectively.
 
Suleiman said:
Stokes won his team a WC by hook or by crook, he is ahead of Shakib now and could become one of the best ever in ODIs.
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Sorry, I have to disagree. Stokes doesn't have the bowling factor to be the best ever in ODI. There have been other superior ODI allrounders, stokes won't reach that level. Also, one would have to say that England's XI carried england to the final, stokes did his part in the final match. Without other batsmen firing, england would have been long gone and out just like 2015 in the roundrobin stage.

Shakib on the other hand was a lone warrior in a team full of crappy players. Still managed to get games won solely due to his brilliant performance. The only reason BD was in the game in all their matches (beside the one v pakistan) is due to shakib.
 
shaz619 said:
Shakib is a personified all time great, there is no doubt about that at all; his status is being elevated even further after a fantastic WC tournament, what a player; he is only 32! feels like he has been around forever!
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Damn bro, when you do a multiple choice exam, do you pass it properly? You see-saw as if a coin was flipped each time you post ... Heads, Stokes. Tails, Shakib ... LOL!!!
 
Stokes has Bowling average of 41 with economy of more than 6 in ODIs. I am not sure if low standards of all rounders now a days have forced people to hail everybody as ATG.

No doubt Stokes is still an excellent cricketer but not the all rounder in ODIs people think he is. An impactful batsman, excellent fielder and average bowler at max in LOIs.

Overall he is a pace bowling all rounder any team would love to have but not due to his greatness but the mediocrity around him in Pandya, Parera, Stoinis, Morris, De Grandhomme etc

Atleast Stokes is a solid batsmen, Pandya with bowling average of above 40 and batting average of below 30 was being mentioned by few like the next coming of Sobers.

In tests Stokes is in the league of Flintoff at the moment and still miles behind the great all rounders.

In my opinion Shakib is an ATG spin bowling all rounder and his stats represent that.
 
In tests I consider stokes as an all rounder . He is a superior batsman then Quartert of 80's while all of them were superior bowlers. In Odis I consider him a batsman who can bowl.
 
This WC tournament has cemented both players as all time greats! Sir Shakib and Sir Stokes!
 
anoop said:
In tests I consider stokes as an all rounder . He is a superior batsman then Quartert of 80's while all of them were superior bowlers. In Odis I consider him a batsman who can bowl.
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I think Botham was a better batsman than Stokes who does not play spin so well.
 
Shakib had a great tournament. However, I am always iffy on Shakib.

He can do much more than what he does with all his ability - especially in dragging his team over the line against all odds. His recent focus on fitness may help him leave cricket with some memorable wins.

Stokes, on the other hand, has proven his never say die attitude over and over again. It helps to be surrounded by an all star cast though. I was skeptical on him but he has had many performances now and therefore is my pick over Shakib.
 
i think Sakib is a much more genuine all-rounder than Stokes.. i love stokes as a player , his aggression and presence is massive but sakib is much better.... as a batsman, as a bowler, sakib tops stokes in all formats... stokes takes the limelight bcz he is an Englishman, a fast bowler and has much stronget presence. but these 2 are a league above everyone else... its a shame that they are compared to the quartert of the Khan/Headlee/Botham/Dev as these 2 are no where close to those 4..

also some1 mentioned pandya in this too... just made me laugh ... pandya is .... well nothing compared to sakib/stokes..
for seamer allrounders its

Stokes
Woakes
Russlel (LOI only)
Sam Curran
Tom Curran
Neesham(LOI)
Stoinis(LOI)
Pandya
Phuwlakayo
 
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