Berlin market attack suspect killed in shootout [update #91]

Ah no

I was hoping some old thread was bumped

RIP
 
Not gonna lie when I heard of this I got a bit anxious

Literally just home from the Aachen Market, and have visited Dortmund,Bochum,Koln,Leverkusen,Essen markets etc over the last few weeks.

Sad to see a nation which has treated people so well become a victim of terrorism, especially when these markets are such fantastic peaceful places.
 
Rest in peace. Another refugee? These lunatics are only making things harder for other Syrians. Germany is one of the friendliest country that helped you in your tough time and you repay them this way? Refugees need to report if they see anything suspicious.
 
Islamic terrorism accounts for over 90% of all terrorist attack/deaths every year.
 
RIP. Been a tragic night. Suspect has been arrested so thankfully he cannot avoid justice.
 
Rest in peace. Another refugee? These lunatics are only making things harder for other Syrians. Germany is one of the friendliest country that helped you in your tough time and you repay them this way? Refugees need to report if they see anything suspicious.

Islamic terrorism accounts for over 90% of all terrorist attack/deaths every year.

Wait till the official release of the perpetrator.
 
UPDATE ... German newspaper reports that suspect in #Berlin #Christmas market attack is a Pakistani - go.shr.lc/2h4FW0Z @washtimes
 
The initial reports in such incidents are always a bit hazy - best to wait a while before jumping to any conclusions.

But yeah Germany so doesn't deserve this - of course no country does but given what the Germans have done in recent times it's sad that they are having to suffer like this.
 
Die Welt now claiming that the suspect arrested over the Berlin crash came from Pakistan and arrived in Germany as a refugee on 16.02.16.
 
I just have no words, is this how you pay back to people who gave you everything?

Certain mentally unstable and brainwashed idiots ruin it for sane majority :(
 
A refugee from Pakistan? Deport all so called refugees from Pakistan. They are not real refugees. Germany should block all kind of immigration from Pakistan.
 
A refugee from Pakistan? Deport all so called refugees from Pakistan. They are not real refugees. Germany should block all kind of immigration from Pakistan.

Problem is while this makes perfect sense (unless the applicants are actual minorities from Pakistan) saying such things gets you slammed a racist xenophobe nowadays.

Shocking whats going on in Germany. Just last night a friend of mine I'm here in college with had to call the police and get assistance from germans on a late night train due to the actions of a group of people who, while not confirmed, it appeared were recent migrants.
 
Trump is already making out the attacks today into a "clash of civilizations." So, I think the world is heading toward a collision course.

Unfortunately, we expats will end up facing the unintended consequences from this.
 
Last edited:
Problem is while this makes perfect sense (unless the applicants are actual minorities from Pakistan) saying such things gets you slammed a racist xenophobe nowadays.

Well some people are xenophobes but others may have genuine concerns. In this case it makes perfect sense to put a ban. This lunatic only made things worse for real refugees.
 
Daily Mail is quoting a German police source that the "refugee" was Afghan or Pakistani origin.

It has all the hallmarks of either a Isis directed or inspired attack.

RIP to the victims on such a cowardly attack.
 
Problem is while this makes perfect sense (unless the applicants are actual minorities from Pakistan) saying such things gets you slammed a racist xenophobe nowadays.

Shocking whats going on in Germany. Just last night a friend of mine I'm here in college with had to call the police and get assistance from germans on a late night train due to the actions of a group of people who, while not confirmed, it appeared were recent migrants.

I think you should be careful with the rhetoric.

I am old enough to remember when the IRA were planting bombs in England and the hatred some of the Irish community used to receive (including the wrongful arrests and detentions) because people became suspicious of them.

It's easy to paint a picture of "all these immigrants" are causing the problems but this is exactly what these ISIS radicals and zealots want you to behave.

They have been pounded and smashed lately in Syria/Iraq in the air so they are going to try to direct or Inspire as many attacks as they can as they really coming towards the end of their so called caliphate.
 
Well some people are xenophobes but others may have genuine concerns. In this case it makes perfect sense to put a ban. This lunatic only made things worse for real refugees.

There is no magic wand to ban them. Most of these migrants are not legal in any case. EU recently negotiated an agreement with Turkey to stem the flow of migrants but it has its own issues.
 
I think you should be careful with the rhetoric.

I am old enough to remember when the IRA were planting bombs in England and the hatred some of the Irish community used to receive (including the wrongful arrests and detentions) because people became suspicious of them.

It's easy to paint a picture of "all these immigrants" are causing the problems but this is exactly what these ISIS radicals and zealots want you to behave.

They have been pounded and smashed lately in Syria/Iraq in the air so they are going to try to direct or Inspire as many attacks as they can as they really coming towards the end of their so called caliphate.

Not saying they're all to blame at all, just that they should be accepted from nations in legitimate need of help and that they should be properly screened first.
 
There is no magic wand to ban them. Most of these migrants are not legal in any case. EU recently negotiated an agreement with Turkey to stem the flow of migrants but it has its own issues.

Why not simply ask them to bring prorf if they are actually from war torn countries. Actual Syrians must have IDs or pictures in Syria. If Pakistan can find illegal Afghan refugees then it shouldn't be hard for Germany to find illegal "refugees".
 
Why not simply ask them to bring prorf if they are actually from war torn countries. Actual Syrians must have IDs or pictures in Syria. If Pakistan can find illegal Afghan refugees then it shouldn't be hard for Germany to find illegal "refugees".

I believe they do that. Maybe they need to do it aggressively. But let's not misdiagnose this issue. Most of the past terrorist acts were carried out by native-born, not refugees.
 
Last edited:
This is only going to flame the anti muslim rhetoric in the west. What have we muslims become it is so sickening :(

Work place becomes very uncomfortable after a news like this...
 
I believe they do that. Maybe they need to do it aggressively. But let's not misdiagnose this issue. Most of the past terrorist acts were carried out by native-born, not refugees.

Pakistanis in Germany are not refugees.
 
Pakistanis in Germany are not refugees.

This rhetoric of refugees committing terrorist acts is absolute nonsense as you have pointed out...

It's been citizens of the country in most cases...France and Britain were no different...
 
I've always wondered what economic benefit a country like Germany gets by inviting refugees over. It's not like they're packed with a special skill that the rest of the populace don't have...

I hope they haven't been lured merely with the prospect of cheap labour.
 
Please stop refugees from coming over and limit/stop immigration from Muslim countries otherwise these attacks will become even more common.
 
Why attack the country you emigrated to... I don't get it. If you hate them so much, why go there in the first place?
 
Pakistanis in Germany are not refugees.

Oh, you meant ban Pakistani migrants.

One thing Pakistan can do is to shame them once they get deported back in Pakistan. We also need a severe crackdown on human smuggling networks in Punjab. They operate under PML-N's patronage.

These Pakistanis who try to move there at the expense of actual refugees are leeches.
 
Last edited:
I've always wondered what economic benefit a country like Germany gets by inviting refugees over. It's not like they're packed with a special skill that the rest of the populace don't have...

I hope they haven't been lured merely with the prospect of cheap labour.

There have been exhaustive amount of studies showing that immigrants (unskilled or skilled) are a net benefit to society. Their marginal product of labor tends to be a lot higher. In other words, they are a lot more efficient than native-born.
 
Please stop refugees from coming over and limit/stop immigration from Muslim countries otherwise these attacks will become even more common.

Why don't you pack your bags and move back? Most terrorists attacks have been carried out by native-born, not foreign-born immigrants or refugees. The data is very unequivocal on this.
 
.
Berlin truck driver reportedly a Pakistani refugee
.

germany-truck_.jpg

The driver of the big rig that barreled into a crowded Christmas market in Berlin on Monday — killing at least 12 people and injuring scores more — is a Pakistani refugee who arrived in Germany earlier this year, local reports say.

Sources told the German newspaper “Die Welt” that the suspected terror suspect came into the country on February 16, according to the Telegraph.

The man has been arrested in the past for minor criminal offences unrelated to terrorism, the sources said.

Another Berlin paper, Der Tagesspiegel, reported earlier that he was believed to be either Pakistani or Afghan.

Two senior German officials later confirmed to The Washington Post that the man was, in fact, believed to be a Pakistani national who arrived as an asylum seeker.


German authorities have yet confirm the identity of the driver or his nationality.

The fact that he is an alleged asylum seeker from Pakistan will surely spark widespread outrage in Germany following Chancellor Angela Merkel’s decision last year to allow nearly 1 million migrants from the Middle East enter the country.

“When will German rule of law strike back? When will this accursed hypocrisy end? These are Merkel’s deaths!” tweeted Marcus Pretzell, European parliament member from the right-wing Alternative for Germany, according to the Washington Times.

Germany has been a popular target for terrorists in 2016.

The Islamic State has already claimed responsibility for at least two attacks in the country — both of which were committed by asylum seekers.

Just last week, German prosecutors revealed that they were probing an incident involving a 12-year-old boy who allegedly planned to use a nail-bomb attack to slaughter people at a Christmas market in the southern city of Ludwigshafen.

According to the Washington Post, investigators told local media that they believed the youngster — who holds dual German and Iraqi citizenship — was being directed by a member of ISIS.

http://nypost.com/2016/12/19/berlin-truck-driver-reportedly-a-pakistani-refugee/

-----------
 
There have been exhaustive amount of studies showing that immigrants (unskilled or skilled) are a net benefit to society. Their marginal product of labor tends to be a lot higher. In other words, they are a lot more efficient than native-born.

Please link me over to these studies, I'm interested to see what data they have collated.

Anyway, trucks driving through crowds in France and Germany (among other incidents and places) are a steep price to pay for any supposed benefit to society.
 
Please link me over to these studies, I'm interested to see what data they have collated.

Anyway, trucks driving through crowds in France and Germany (among other incidents and places) are a steep price to pay for any supposed benefit to society.

Kerr & Kerr (2011) do a great job summarizing the recent empirical evidence. http://www.hbs.edu/faculty/Publication Files/09-013_15702a45-fbc3-44d7-be52-477123ee58d0.pdf

For more details, refer to the citations. I'm sure they have either used a cross-section or panel data structure.

Um, do you know what the probability of dying from a terrorist attack is? It is negligible. So, no, the price is extremely not steep at all. They produce more, at much lower wages.
 
Last edited:
Um, do you know what the probability of dying from a terrorist attack is? It is negligible.

Seems to be happening at least 4 times a year off the top of my head. Negligible in a mathematical sense when compared to world population? Sure. But I can hear some Frenchmen and Germans disagreeing heartily.
 
Seems to be happening at least 4 times a year off the top of my head. Negligible in a mathematical sense when compared to world population? Sure. But I can hear some Frenchmen and Germans disagreeing heartily.

They're welcome to. But while they are at it, they should quit driving too. I do agree that these are high impact events that arouse a very emotional response.
 
They're welcome to. But while they are at it, they should quit driving too. I do agree that these are high impact events that arouse a very emotional response.

Difference being when they take out their car they do accept the probability of getting into an accident in a distant corner of their minds. When they attend a Christmas Party, they don't fathom the prospect of having a truck gatecrash the event, sadly, in a literal sense.
 
Difference being when they take out their car they do accept the probability of getting into an accident in a distant corner of their minds. When they attend a Christmas Party, they don't fathom the prospect of having a truck gatecrash the event, sadly, in a literal sense.

The event in all the circumstances is death. They don't drive or fly to end up in the cemetary.
 
So very very sad clearly problem is with mainstream Islamic mindset...people are brainwashed by mullahs in mosques of Pakistan,Afghanistan etc and come to west to kill innocent civilians whom are wonderful enough to pay for their bills.

I think Germany should deport all of these refugees from Afghanistan Pakistan etc whom are doing nothing, but living on social help from tax citizens are paying. Once when Germany will do so to kick out all these lying refugees Pakistanis will cry because they will be constitutional Muslims of Pakistan.

I am absolutely disgusted by this attack and I cant imagine how angry a local German would be when me someone from Pakistan is so disgusted by this attack.
 
RIP, no INTL media is reporting it as "Pakistani" refugee yet so lets just wait for the investigation to be over.
 
Muslims in general and Muslims with extremist tendencies in particular need a father figure (or a group of such men) right now who they can look upto and Who can influence their POV in a good way.
 
It has all the hallmarks of either a Isis directed or inspired attack.

RIP to the victims on such a cowardly attack.
Why would Daesh attack Germany? They have not bombed anyone since 1945.

This will just fuel the rise of the populist right even further.
 
RIP. There are a group of girls in my school year who are friends with someone currently in Berlin but she survived luckily
 
There have been exhaustive amount of studies showing that immigrants (unskilled or skilled) are a net benefit to society. Their marginal product of labor tends to be a lot higher. In other words, they are a lot more efficient than native-born.
Due to low birth rates and people living longer, the populations of western European countries is aging, and the influx of migrants (including refugees) who are mainly much younger, will produce a long term benefit to the economy as a whole. As a gentleman on Question Time put it "who's going to be working, paying taxes and even 'wiping my bottom' when I end up in an old peoples home?"
 
RIP. This is just scary any nutcase with a vehicle can do something like this. When is this going to end.
 
Why attack the country you emigrated to... I don't get it. If you hate them so much, why go there in the first place?

You would have to assume these are dedicated terrorists/Isis recruits rather than immigrants looking for a new life in the west. The fear was always there that once you deprived them of their caliphate in the middle east they would find ways back to our shores and resort to terrorism over here.
 
Why would Daesh attack Germany? They have not bombed anyone since 1945.

This will just fuel the rise of the populist right even further.

If it was them, rather some mentally deranged attention seeker, which the majority of these murderers are, then it is a deliberate plan to fuel the rise of the right and claim that they are the defenders of muslims.
 
Berlin attack: Lorry driver suspect 'denies involvement'

The suspect in the Berlin lorry attack that killed 12 people and injured 48 others has denied any involvement, Germany's interior minister said.

Thomas De Maiziere said he "probably came from Pakistan" but his asylum application had not been completed.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel said it would be "particularly sickening" if he were proven to be a refugee.

The suspect had been captured in a park 2km away after fleeing the popular Christmas market in west Berlin.

Mrs Merkel has vowed to punish those responsible for the Berlin attack "as harshly as the law allows".

Her open-door policy on migration, which saw 890,000 asylum seekers arrive in Germany last year, has divided the country, with critics calling it a security threat.

Three separate terrorist attacks in July carried out by refugees have heightened tensions.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38379157
 
So very very sad clearly problem is with mainstream Islamic mindset...people are brainwashed by mullahs in mosques of Pakistan,Afghanistan etc and come to west to kill innocent civilians whom are wonderful enough to pay for their bills.

I think Germany should deport all of these refugees from Afghanistan Pakistan etc whom are doing nothing, but living on social help from tax citizens are paying. Once when Germany will do so to kick out all these lying refugees Pakistanis will cry because they will be constitutional Muslims of Pakistan.

I am absolutely disgusted by this attack and I cant imagine how angry a local German would be when me someone from Pakistan is so disgusted by this attack.


Inna lillah e Wa inna eleh e rajeoon.

So Sad.

" Mainstream Islamic Mindset based on bundles of Lies "


This is a huggggeeeeeeee issue. Let me put a simple example. In Pakistan there are millions of followers of Jamaat e Islami. The founder Maulana Abul Atta Moudoodi has lied about Prophet Muhammad Pbuh in his book and he has contradicted his own statements. At one point he says Mohammad Pbuh fought wars in defence which is true and than in later part he says that Islam spread due to the power of Sword. This is a lie and a disgrace for Islam that this faith system is so weak that it converts people because of fear of sword and death rather than rationality and evidence and people converted because of death fear not because of attraction of the religion.


This is the Extremist ideology which has been taken further by Terrorist organisations to carry out barbarism and evil terrible acts. They have been waiting for somebody to come and implement there interpretations of Holy sayings like killing pigs, killinh jews christians and destroying churches crosses etc. The weight has been too long and now they themselves have taken the mission of this destruction.


If you look at AlQaida it recruited many JI workers and followers. If you look at Taliban thousands of them were students of Maulana Sami ul Haq who calls taliban his children. Same is the case with ISIS, Boko Haram getting initial recruitments from JI JUI reciprocal extremist organisations of those countries. Now even within Islam they have made some sects and communities as their target labelling them anti islam.


Who has the courage to burn this literature and these books ? ? Who.


This is a massive issue.



How difficult it will be for you people who are peaceful muslim residents. You will face huge brunt of the society because of constitutional muslims acts. You will have to defend Islam while these inhumane activities take place. So tough.


And imagine genuine peaceful muslim or non muslim assylum seekers from say places like Pakistan Indonesia who are persecuted in their countries, whose life isn't secure in their own land amid the extremists, sectarian vandalism. They will suffer. While previously they were given shelter by the same Merkel regime and previous regimes.


Until you destroy those ideologies based on absolute lies this issue will never be resolved.


May Allah keep you safe and guide these Muslims to the right path. Aameen.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING: German paper reports police arrested wrong man re <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/berlin?src=hash">#berlin</a> attack. If true, real killer still at large & may not be a refugee.</p>— Piers Morgan (@piersmorgan) <a href="https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/811189813260984320">20 December 2016</a></blockquote>
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Lovely how the Indians were quick to jump on ONE, I repeat ONE, news source that was implicating a Pakistani.

Turns out the person who was arrested wasn't even the right guy. The racist Germans probably arrested him just because he wasn't white.
 
RIP to the victims......

On the other hand how can, in such a developed country like Germany, they arrest someone incorrectly :facepalm: Is the police department in Berlin run by local Saddar thana ??? #smh
 
Go to expresstribune.pk

Open the news article about this story (pay attention to the title of the story)

Scroll down to the comments section

See the comments and the amount of likes the filthiest comments have.


Express just like Jung seems to be working on someone else's agenda
#Azaad Media
 
Lovely how the Indians were quick to jump on ONE, I repeat ONE, news source that was implicating a Pakistani.

Turns out the person who was arrested wasn't even the right guy. The racist Germans probably arrested him just because he wasn't white.

Well, the German Interior Minister even said that it was probably the 'Pakistani' guy earlier in the press conference.

It's only over the past couple of hours that doubts have been raised.

They shouldn't have implicated him without being sure of it.
 
First generation immigrants or refugees of South Asian (Indian, Pakistani or Bangladeshi) origin usually keep their head down, are hard-working and just focused on feeding their families back home at least when they are relatively new in the country. That is why I was surprised to read reports implicating a Pakistani. I feel sorry for the poor guy who got arrested if he is in no way involved in this.
 
RIP whoever is involved should be punished strictly..

Attacks like these are only helping the right wingers and are more damaging to Muslims than anyone else..
 
Why would Daesh attack Germany? They have not bombed anyone since 1945.

This will just fuel the rise of the populist right even further.

Daesh or IS have been killing so many Muslims so targeting Germans would be even more legitimate to them.

Remember they attacked a Belgium airport so same question what has Belgium done to anger them ??

Nothing, it's just that they are on their last legs so they want to create fear and as much division as they can especially outside Middle East.
 
Case Against Berlin Suspect Crumbles

Source

There are other indications to support the growing skepticism about Naved B.'s involvement in the attack. SPIEGEL learned from a senior investigator that investigators were unable to find any gunshot residue on the suspect's body of the kind typically found on those who have fired a weapon. Nor did he exhibit any indications of having been involved in a struggle. Furthermore, investigators say that blood-stained clothes were found in the cab of the truck, but that the clothes worn by Naved B. did not show any blood stains at all.
 
I've always wondered what economic benefit a country like Germany gets by inviting refugees over. It's not like they're packed with a special skill that the rest of the populace don't have...

I hope they haven't been lured merely with the prospect of cheap labour.

There are 2 types of refugees.

1. refugees that migrate across shorter distance to neighbouring countries and 2. refugees that migrate across longer distance to well developed countries. The first kind only do so because that is all what they can afford. The second kind has money and it costs $40,000 + illegally obtain passport, set up agents, that work with higher official and so on. The second kind have that much money because either they are either educated, had a good job and are looking to get out of the country faster or they did some kind of business, have family money and so on. So generally when the second kinds arrive, their genetics play a part and the either become "successful " professional or they start their own businesses and make a good living through that.

During the Vietnamese war, all the Vietnamese Refugees to the US were doctors, lawyers, engineers and millionaires. During the Cuban revolution, you had all kinds of people show up to US because it was much cheaper to get on a boat so practically everyone was able to afford to get to US. Even here in Canada, the Afghan refugees are generally much more "progressive" than Afghan refugees in Pakistan.

One of the problem that is causing an issue here is that Canadian government willing went and recruited families to bring across here LOL. Basically they set up a standing booth in a refugee camp and yelled "if you are interested in migrating to Canada, and have a family, please come up here and sign up". The government paid for all their expense and basically shipped them here. Due to lack of government housing, they put them in hotels, which cost tax payers money and there were few incidents regarding refugees behaving like paindoos and it ticked lot of people off.
 
Lovely how the Indians were quick to jump on ONE, I repeat ONE, news source that was implicating a Pakistani.

Turns out the person who was arrested wasn't even the right guy. The racist Germans probably arrested him just because he wasn't white.

Yeah could you point out those IndianS and Pakistanis to get an exact count?
 
So many issues have been highlighted during this time. Racism, terrorism, extremism, migrants, and our very new word alt-right.
 
Sky news: Pakistani suspect has been released.

So clearly he was the wrong guy. I hope they catch the real lunatic quickly.
 
Sky news: Pakistani suspect has been released.

So clearly he was the wrong guy. I hope they catch the real lunatic quickly.

A moment of silence for all who didn't even take a minute to blame Pakistan and all Pakistanis.
 
Berlin attack: So-called Islamic State claims responsibility

So-called Islamic State (IS) has said it was behind Monday's lorry attack on a Berlin Christmas market, which left 12 people dead and 49 injured.

The group claimed the attack through its self-styled news agency.

Earlier, German prosecutors released the only suspect who had been held, citing insufficient evidence. He had been identified by media only as Pakistani national Naved B.

Officials suggested that a perpetrator or perpetrators might be on the run.

Before the man was released late on Tuesday, German officials said they could not be be sure if he was involved in the attack.

"We have to entertain the theory that the detainee might possibly not have been the perpetrator," federal prosecutor Peter Frank told reporters.

The style of attack and the target suggested Islamic extremism, he said.

The man, 23, was captured in a park after reportedly fleeing the scene.

He is believed to have been known to police for minor crimes, but had no links to militant organisations.
He arrived in Germany on 31 December last year and his asylum application was still in progress.

The usual driver of the lorry, Polish citizen Lukasz Urban, was found dead on the passenger seat of the lorry, reportedly with gunshot and stab wounds to his body. No gun was recovered.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel has vowed to punish those responsible for the attack "as harshly as the law requires".

Her open-door policy on migration, which saw 890,000 asylum seekers arrive in Germany last year, has divided the country, with critics calling it a security threat.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38385961
 
Why don't you pack your bags and move back? Most terrorists attacks have been carried out by native-born, not foreign-born immigrants or refugees. The data is very unequivocal on this.

Typical response. Nothing wrong with what I said.
 
I hope no Photos were released or given to media. It would ruin this guy's life.
 
Saeed bhai, jumped the ship a bit prematurely.

What is wrong with what I said? Pakistanis shouldn't pretend to be refugees and go to another country. These guys are still illegal and need to be deported.
 
Honestly though what purpose does it serve to reveal the nationality of the attacker? All it does is makes the local against other people who are peaceful but belong from the same nation.

Unless the said attackers nation is implicit in helping out the attacker in carrying out the attack, it shouldn't even matter if he's from Pakistan or Timbuktu.
 
“Naveed Baloch came to Germany to seek asylum due to the ongoing insurgency in different areas of Balochistan,” Abdul Waheed Baloch told Dawn by telephone from Berlin late on Tuesday.

http://www.dawn.com/news/1303599/naveed-from-balochistan-relative

He could have moved to different area within the country unless he was threatened by Pakistani military. If true at least this guy was legal and had a legit reason. But there are so many others from safe areas.

Btw now the suspect is Tunisian so probably not a refugee.
 
I just cannot fathom the incompetence being displayed by the German law enforcement. Its 2 days now and they have no clue where this guy is. Germany and France will undoubtedly see the right-wing gain more traction in the coming elections.
 
Why would a terrorist leaves his identity documents in the truck? Doesn't make sense

He left his wallet apparently. Maybe he thought he was going to die so had no further use of money. These guys always leave behind something which certainly makes the police job easier.
 
Mmm, another incident and another so called terrorist leaving behind a form of ID
 
Back
Top