Blind Loyalty: Why Is India Backing Israel Despite Global Condemnation?

[Justcrazy]

Definitely has a better world view than some bearded guy living on welfare in Bradford and dreaming of Islamic Uk

People who live on welfare are not only Muslims , there are others as well.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

They're actually a pretty fun group. I don't do backpack travel any more but in 2004, I had a spaced out weedy weekend in Rishikesh with a bunch of Israelis twenty somethings who'd just finished their mandatory military service and were taking a gap year working their way through India.

They're not monsters like you would imagine. They were all pretty honest about disliking the Israeli occupation of Palestine but saw it as a matter of life and death for themselves and their families.

Kind of backs up my point. Even the civilians are staunch zionists and if they see the occupation of Palestine as life and death, you can imagine they will justify genocide on a massive scale with no questions asked. A big proportion of them will be offspring of European invaders who forced the indigenous people off the land in the first place.

 

[Justcrazy]

Are you Mughal/Uzbek origin?

How does that matter ?

 

[Local.Dada]

How does that matter ?

Curious because Mughals seem like a touchy subject for you.

 

[Kriketer]

Their caste system goes hand in hand with the Zionist doctrine of Jews being a higher class than the rest of mankind. An additional class to rule the other classes below when you merge the caste system with their belief. Brahmins who love Israel don’t mind them putting em over either. They will happily carry Zio’s on their shoulders. After the Mughals and Brit’s they have finally found another master to say yessarr nosarr to

Haha well summairzed. Sanghi mind is forever to be inflicted with ghulami, it's funny how they pick and choose which Saar-Masters to love and which Saar-Masters to hate, its all down to skin color

They love bowing down to white colonziers, the gora foreign Masters who ruined their ancestral land, but they hate their Muslim Masters who helped developed the region and who were the people of the same region.

They made Trump their new God, during HowdiModi tour.... And now Sanghis are struggling to make peace with facts when Trump is kicking them down to the ground with tariff and yet they still sing songs of their Saar-Masters. B*****i ke intehaa hai with these sanghi fools

 

[Justcrazy]

Curious because Mughals seem like a touchy subject for you.

No , it's not. You need to take my whole argument into perspective . The Mughals were like other worldly kings , but they were better for India than British , this is a fact. But in India the atrocities done by British are diluted . You need to speak up for that.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Most countries hate them so India is will always be their refuge.

Just dont forget they believe idol worshippers must be stoned to death and cows are not holy.

Muslim majority countries are not most countries, non Muslim majority countries have no issue with israel,

Just don’t forget that neither do they believe in your religion nor your version of human rights

 

[KingKhanWC]

Muslim majority countries are not most countries, non Muslim majority countries have no issue with israel,

Just don’t forget that neither do they believe in your religion nor your version of human rights

Majority in UK do not like Israel. If you ever have left Calcutta you'd know.

 

[finalfantasy7]

Pakistanis judging Israeli weapons quality it’s like a street dweller judging quality of a Mercedes, neither will get near one to judge in real life

how your israel made radar on the tejas - its junk

 

[HalBass9]

Muslim majority countries are not most countries, non Muslim majority countries have no issue with israel,

Just don’t forget that neither do they believe in your religion nor your version of human rights

Every country in global south with non-majority Muslim country have issue with the genocide.

Even the country that supplying with all the wealth transfer and free health care to the country committing genocide had issue with the genocide and ethnic cleansing.

Stop lying.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Muslim majority countries are not most countries, non Muslim majority countries have no issue with israel,

Just don’t forget that neither do they believe in your religion nor your version of human rights

Regardless of whether a country is Muslim or non Muslim they should have basic human standards. They should oppose genocide of a local population to make space for a foreign invasion of colonisers.

 

[Suleiman]

Muslim majority countries are not most countries, non Muslim majority countries have no issue with israel,

Just don’t forget that neither do they believe in your religion nor your version of human rights

Plenty of non Muslim majority countries do have an issue with Israel. Stop consuming Godi media and step into the real world once in a while.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Plenty of non Muslim majority countries do have an issue with Israel. Stop consuming Godi media and step into the real world once in a while.

Which countries?

 

[sweep_shot]

Plenty of non Muslim majority countries do have an issue with Israel. Stop consuming Godi media and step into the real world once in a while.

I am not sure if @cricketjoshila has ever set foot outside of his west Bengal village. It shows in his posts.

 

[Suleiman]

Which countries?

Spain, Belgium, South Africa, Ireland..

Do you want me to continue?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Every country in global south with non-majority Muslim country have issue with the genocide.

Even the country that supplying with all the wealth transfer and free health care to the country committing genocide had issue with the genocide and ethnic cleansing.

Stop lying.

So all those countries put sanctions on Israel? Broke diplomatic ties? What?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Spain, Belgium, South Africa, Ireland..

Do you want me to continue?

What have they said or done?

 

[Kriketer]

What have they said or done?

Taken them to international court which has charged terrorist Israeli leaders with genocide and war crimes. They are actually wanted by international Criminal Court, but no surprise Hindudva blindly support genocidal criminals who kill Muslims. You have a criminal butcher PM who did the same so your support makes sense

 

[cricketjoshila]

Taken them to international court which has charged terrorist Israeli leaders with genocide and war crimes. They are actually wanted by international Criminal Court, but no surprise Hindudva blindly support genocidal criminals who kill Muslims. You have a criminal butcher PM who did the same so your support makes sense

Go check which country took Israel to international court and what is the jurisdiction of that international criminal court and how many countries actually are its members

 

[Suleiman]

What have they said or done?

Have you been sleeping under a rock before you bravely came out and said no non Muslim majority country has opposed Israel or what?

I gave you the names of the countries. Paste them into google search and you’ll see within the first page what each one said to answer your question.

Maybe don’t make blanket statements about a topic blinded by Hindutva extremism without knowing even the basics such as this lol… anyone who has even remotely followed this conflict knows this or knows where to look…

ICC is a start, and since you may confuse that with the International Cricket Council, that’s not what I’m referring to.

 

[HalBass9]

So all those countries put sanctions on Israel? Broke diplomatic ties? What?

Majority of the people in the US are/were against the genocide and ethnic cleansing and yet no sanctions on the Israel.

Majority, if not all Hindutva, are supporter of the genocide and ethnic cleansing, hence no sanction on Israel.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Majority of the people in the US are/were against the genocide and ethnic cleansing and yet no sanctions on the Israel.

Majority, if not all Hindutva, are supporter of the genocide and ethnic cleansing, hence no sanction on Israel.

So basically no one did anything, but since you hate india, you’re singling out India

 

[HalBass9]

So basically no one did anything, but since you hate india, you’re singling out India

I hate Hindutva because it’s a regressive religiously driven extremist group, not India.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I hate Hindutva because it’s a regressive religiously driven extremist group, not India.

Basically you hate Hindus but cover it with hating hindutva veil like you hate jews but try to hide it behind hating zionist veil, doesn’t work

 

[HalBass9]

Basically you hate Hindus but cover it with hating hindutva veil like you hate jews but try to hide it behind hating zionist veil, doesn’t work

No, you’re trying to launder bigotry through religion, the same way ISIS hides behind Islam. The difference is simple and decisive, ISIS is rejected by virtually all Muslims, while Hindutva enjoys mainstream support in India. That support is visible at the ballot box, where leaders who justify violence over a cow, and openly dehumanize Muslims, are not fringe figures but elected and celebrated.

That contrast is the point. One ideology is overwhelmingly condemned by its own community, the other is normalized, defended, and politically rewarded.

Leave out the Hindus of India and Jew of the world alone, they are not trying to part of your bigotry and hatred.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Basically you hate Hindus but cover it with hating hindutva veil like you hate jews but try to hide it behind hating zionist veil, doesn’t work

Hindutva teaches that a Muslim cannot live as a Muslim without submitting to Hinduism from what I have read. So any Muslim who believes in their own civil laws as prescribed by their religion is going to hate hindutva.

Hindu religion itself does not really hold such narrow parameters and there is less emphasis on politics and legalities. So there is no reason for Muslims to hate Hinduism itself.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Hindutva teaches that a Muslim cannot live as a Muslim without submitting to Hinduism from what I have read. So any Muslim who believes in their own civil laws as prescribed by their religion is going to hate hindutva.

Hindu religion itself does not really hold such narrow parameters and there is less emphasis on politics and legalities. So there is no reason for Muslims to hate Hinduism itself.

Hindutva doesn’t teach that, but it does say that Muslims or any other religion isn’t special and cannot have separate laws for themselves in a secular country, and politicians who provide such separate services need to to be voted out

 

[finalfantasy7]

India and Israel: A secret alliance​

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[Cpt. Rishwat]

Hindutva doesn’t teach that, but it does say that Muslims or any other religion isn’t special and cannot have separate laws for themselves in a secular country, and politicians who provide such separate services need to to be voted out

And yet you yourself just recently that killing cows is illegal, but killing other animals is acceptable. This is because the cow is a sacred animal in Hindu religion so where has your secularism gone now?

 

[cricketjoshila]

And yet you yourself just recently that killing cows is illegal, but killing other animals is acceptable. This is because the cow is a sacred animal in Hindu religion so where has your secularism gone now?

It is illegal to insult any religion in India

You can’t draw cartoons of prophet(pbuh) either but europeans can do that and you can’t do anything

 

[rballer]

I think some of us are misunderstanding our Indian guests.

You see in their religion anything can become a God. If someone brings you luck they become a God. If something doesn’t hurt you then that is a God. Someday Jews are God, sometimes a tree, sometimes a snake- they would give it milk.

It’s in their nature that anything that benefits them personally is a God for them. They start worshipping it. Most of the Indians worship money. You can see in thread here that they are in awe of Economy- they have a God for that and they break coconut on it or what else..

Our teachings are different when we see life as temporary and value other things such as human dignity, moral and ethical values.

Indians in general cannot even comprehend these things. It’s their parents and teachings. They talk about what benefit can person X give me so I can worship it. Now days it’s Jews- despite knowing that it’s in their nature as well to hate Indians.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

It is illegal to insult any religion in India

You can’t draw cartoons of prophet(pbuh) either but europeans can do that and you can’t do anything

So then you need to drop this claim that India is run according to secular law.

 

[cricketjoshila]

So then you need to drop this claim that India is run according to secular


It is secular law.thats why you can’t insult any religion,

 

[sweep_shot]

I think some of us are misunderstanding our Indian guests.

You see in their religion anything can become a God. If someone brings you luck they become a God. If something doesn’t hurt you then that is a God. Someday Jews are God, sometimes a tree, sometimes a snake- they would give it milk.

It’s in their nature that anything that benefits them personally is a God for them. They start worshipping it. Most of the Indians worship money. You can see in thread here that they are in awe of Economy- they have a God for that and they break coconut on it or what else..

Our teachings are different when we see life as temporary and value other things such as human dignity, moral and ethical values.

Indians in general cannot even comprehend these things. It’s their parents and teachings. They talk about what benefit can person X give me so I can worship it. Now days it’s Jews- despite knowing that it’s in their nature as well to hate Indians.

Post of the week.

You have nailed it beautifully.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Arab world is also backing Israel except Qatar. India needs Israel's tech to tackle cross border terrorism from its wonderful neighbors. Israel is an expert in that.
Between, we only saw protests in the woke western nations for Palestine. It went on for months under Biden. Where are the protests in Arab nations? No rallies, blockades, vandalism in any of the Arab countries. I wonder why....
All Arab countries did was condemn Israel from time to time.

India is under no obligation to appease Momins of the world and support Hamas and Palestine. They will support the one that benefits them the most.

 

[Champ_Pal]

I think some of us are misunderstanding our Indian guests.

You see in their religion anything can become a God. If someone brings you luck they become a God. If something doesn’t hurt you then that is a God. Someday Jews are God, sometimes a tree, sometimes a snake- they would give it milk.

It’s in their nature that anything that benefits them personally is a God for them. They start worshipping it. Most of the Indians worship money. You can see in thread here that they are in awe of Economy- they have a God for that and they break coconut on it or what else..

Our teachings are different when we see life as temporary and value other things such as human dignity, moral and ethical values.

Indians in general cannot even comprehend these things. It’s their parents and teachings. They talk about what benefit can person X give me so I can worship it. Now days it’s Jews- despite knowing that it’s in their nature as well to hate Indians.

And what has your mythical invisible sky man has done for Palestine? is that entity watching the devastation like a cricket match?

Yes. In Indian culture, a mother is God. Father is God, Guru/Teacher is God. Even Doctors are considered God. A cow is beneficial and it is revered. A snake that kills pests and protects the hard labor of farmers is considered a God. A tree that sustains life for all animals including Hoomans is also deified.

But but, my God is invisible in the sky. He made everything. But cannot protect its own believers

 

[sweep_shot]

I think some of us are misunderstanding our Indian guests.

You see in their religion anything can become a God. If someone brings you luck they become a God. If something doesn’t hurt you then that is a God. Someday Jews are God, sometimes a tree, sometimes a snake- they would give it milk.

It’s in their nature that anything that benefits them personally is a God for them. They start worshipping it. Most of the Indians worship money. You can see in thread here that they are in awe of Economy- they have a God for that and they break coconut on it or what else..

Our teachings are different when we see life as temporary and value other things such as human dignity, moral and ethical values.

Indians in general cannot even comprehend these things. It’s their parents and teachings. They talk about what benefit can person X give me so I can worship it. Now days it’s Jews- despite knowing that it’s in their nature as well to hate Indians.

Post of the week.

You have nailed it beautifully.

One example would be how they turned cow into a mother figure just because cow gives milk.

Why not consider goat a mother too? Goat also gives milk. Why only Gau Mata? Why not Bakaree Mata?

BTW, goat milk is more nutritious than cow milk.

 

[rballer]

And what has your mythical invisible sky man has done for Palestine? is that entity watching the devastation like a cricket match?

Yes. In Indian culture, a mother is God. Father is God, Guru/Teacher is God. Even Doctors are considered God. A cow is beneficial and it is revered. A snake that kills pests and protects the hard labor of farmers is considered a God. A tree that sustains life for all animals including Hoomans is also deified.

But but, my God is invisible in the sky. He made everything. But cannot protect its own believers

My friend you don’t know how to wipe your a** how will I discuss what God is. To understand God at most basic level you need to understand Justice and accountability. Something you have no idea about. Based on your criteria, I am considered one of your god- so be nice or else next reincarnation you r gona become a monkey.

Stick to Kohli and Khans, drink some daru and urine, worship tree and live the 60 years of life. That’s the extent of it for you!

 

[Champ_Pal]

One example would be how they turned cow into a mother figure just because cow gives milk.

Why not consider goat a mother too? Goat also gives milk. Why only Gau Mata? Why not Bakaree Mata?

BTW, goat milk is more nutritious than cow milk.

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Again acting like a moron.

India is an agrarian country and farming is still the most done job in India. Cows are not only used for milk. They can also help in farming. Their dung is used as fuel for cooking and to stay warm in winters. You cannot do all these things with a Bakree. A couple of hundred years ago, almost every Indian household used to have a cow or two at their home. It was part of their family. Like how a dog is to westerners.
If you eat a dog in western nations, you will get your behind handed over to you. The same for cows in India.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

@Champ_Pal the wannabe atheist getting all sensitive about holy cows again. Just drop the act man, why do you care so much?

 

[Champ_Pal]

My friend you don’t know how to wipe your a** how will I discuss what God is. To understand God at most basic level you need to understand Justice and accountability. Something you have no idea about. Based on your criteria, I am considered one of your god- so be nice or else next reincarnation you r gona become a monkey.

Stick to Kohli and Khans, drink some daru and urine, worship tree and live the 60 years of life. That’s the extent of it for you!

Yes yes. I have no idea about Islamic God, but you know everything about Dharmic philosophy

Talking about drinking urine, it is sunnah bro. You seem constipated. Perhaps some camel cola will help arty

 

[Champ_Pal]

@Champ_Pal the wannabe atheist getting all sensitive about holy cows again. Just drop the act man, why do you care so much?

Because it is part of my culture Mr.Bribe.

When someone takes potshots at my culture, I have to show them the mirror

 

[rballer]

Yes yes. I have no idea about Islamic God, but you know everything about Dharmic philosophy

Talking about drinking urine, it is sunnah bro. You seem constipated. Perhaps some camel cola will help arty

Tut tut. Waste of oxygen.

You know a fellow Indian was working at 7/11. Just coz of your words right now, I left a mess in bathroom for him to clean up. It’s your fault.

 

[finalfantasy7]

Again acting like a moron.

India is an agrarian country and farming is still the most done job in India. Cows are not only used for milk. They can also help in farming. Their dung is used as fuel for cooking and to stay warm in winters. You cannot do all these things with a Bakree. A couple of hundred years ago, almost every Indian household used to have a cow or two at their home. It was part of their family. Like how a dog is to westerners.
If you eat a dog in western nations, you will get your behind handed over to you. The same for cows in India.

ofcourse you can do the same with a bakree

bet you cant prove that so called stat you mentioned about everyone in india owned 1/2 cows

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Yes yes. I have no idea about Islamic God, but you know everything about Dharmic philosophy

Talking about drinking urine, it is sunnah bro. You seem constipated. Perhaps some camel cola will help arty

Ha ha, seems like my reference to desi cola stuck in your brain since you have now reinvented it as camel cola. Just own it man, if you want to claim Hindu culture then holy cows and their holy excrement should not be an issue.

 

[Varun]

Spain, Belgium, South Africa, Ireland..

Do you want me to continue?

You couldn't have picked 4 worse countries: any Israeli can walk in and out of them without any paperwork and even set-up businesses and the like.

Like I said earlier, the only countries that can make a difference and thwart Israel happen to be pushovers. Until that changes, nothing will happen positively to Palestine on the ground.

 

[finalfantasy7]

You couldn't have picked 4 worse countries: any Israeli can walk in and out of them without any paperwork and even set-up businesses and the like.

Like I said earlier, the only countries that can make a difference and thwart Israel happen to be pushovers. Until that changes, nothing will happen positively to Palestine on the ground.

you really know a lot dont you

can you prove any of that so called statement

 

[Varun]

you really know a lot dont you

can you prove any of that so called statement

Start by looking in the mirror: so much rona-dhona about Israel/Palestine over the course of generations by you and your family, and the border hasn't moved an inch in favour of Palestine.

 

[finalfantasy7]

Start by looking in the mirror: so much rona-dhona about Israel/Palestine over the course of generations by you and your family, and the border hasn't moved an inch in favour of Palestine.

so why is everyone coming to the table to create the state palestine


maybe you should try to read Francesca Albanese work, bet you dont even know who she is.

 

[finalfantasy7]

 

[finalfantasy7]

Why India Loves Israel​

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

It's bizarre coming from other platforms where the average Brit is mostly pretty disgusted with israeli war-mongering these days, yet on PP the majority of Indian posters seem to vehemently back the zionists.

So the question is: why do Indians back israel unreservedly in just about every dispute?

 

[ads101]

They're actually a pretty fun group. I don't do backpack travel any more but in 2004, I had a spaced out weedy weekend in Rishikesh with a bunch of Israelis twenty somethings who'd just finished their mandatory military service and were taking a gap year working their way through India.

They're not monsters like you would imagine. They were all pretty honest about disliking the Israeli occupation of Palestine but saw it as a matter of life and death for themselves and their families.

This is interesting, and honestly not surprising. I think there’s fault on both sides when it comes to Israel and Palestine (and the surrounding Arab countries). It’s not a situation where one side is entirely right.

My view is that the UN made a poor decision in overwhelmingly voting to partition the land in favor of creating a Jewish state. It was always likely to create conflict in a region where neighboring Muslim countries would strongly oppose it. At the same time, I understand why they came to that decision, as it came right after ww2 and the holocaust which heavily influenced global opinion. In hindsight the Jewish people didn’t know they were going to be relatively safe from future persecution in western countries.

The 1948 war was problematic. The idea of going to war with the goal of effectively eliminating the Jewish population was extreme and turned the situation into one of survival for them. The Jewish state was small and included a lot of desert, especially compared to the number and size of surrounding Arab countries. You could argue it would have been better to tolerate that small state rather than to destroy them.

It’s also worth noting that many of these Arab countries had only recently gained independence themselves after the fall of the Ottoman Empire and British involvement. There’s also evidence that some, particularly Jordan, were more interested in adding land to their country rather than creating an independent Palestinian state.

After the war, even though Israel won, there was no lasting peace settlement. Many Arab countries refused to recognise Israel and continued to oppose its existence. And thus Israel has pretty much acted in the manner of a country still in war. While many of its actions are framed as retaliatory, they are often far greater in scale than the initial attacks. Israel has been of the opinion to prioritise a few Israeli lives over the cost of tens of thousands of Palestinian lives. Which I disagree with. Over the past few decades, I’ve felt Israel has more often been in the wrong. But I’m also not surprised by its mindset given they were fighting for their survival in 1948.

I think the solution to this has to be around recognising Israel. The alternative is unrealistic, I don’t think Israel will be eventually overcome. And the terrorist groups that fly their flag around this banner of overcoming Israel tend to harm their own people more, causing destabilisation in these countries. On the other hand, Israel uses these existence of these terrorist groups to justify continued settlement expansion and occupation. Without these groups, think it would be much harder for Israel to resist international pressure and not reach a deal with the Palestinians.

It’s also worth noting that many surrounding Arab countries today are finding the problems they have from these terrorist groups creating instability in their country a far bigger problem than Israel these days. This has led to these countries changing stance towards Israel such as Egypt even willing to work together in some instances in order to fight a bigger problem in their eyes.

The sooner this Israeli Palestine situation can be resolved, the sooner all these countries in the Middle East can work together to stamp out these terrorist groups creating problems in the region. And then you can have peace in the region.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

This is interesting, and honestly not surprising. I think there’s fault on both sides when it comes to Israel and Palestine (and the surrounding Arab countries). It’s not a situation where one side is entirely right.

My view is that the UN made a poor decision in overwhelmingly voting to partition the land in favor of creating a Jewish state. It was always likely to create conflict in a region where neighboring Muslim countries would strongly oppose it. At the same time, I understand why they came to that decision, as it came right after ww2 and the holocaust which heavily influenced global opinion. In hindsight the Jewish people didn’t know they were going to be relatively safe from future persecution in western countries.

The 1948 war was problematic. The idea of going to war with the goal of effectively eliminating the Jewish population was extreme and turned the situation into one of survival for them. The Jewish state was small and included a lot of desert, especially compared to the number and size of surrounding Arab countries. You could argue it would have been better to tolerate that small state rather than to destroy them.

It’s also worth noting that many of these Arab countries had only recently gained independence themselves after the fall of the Ottoman Empire and British involvement. There’s also evidence that some, particularly Jordan, were more interested in adding land to their country rather than creating an independent Palestinian state.

After the war, even though Israel won, there was no lasting peace settlement. Many Arab countries refused to recognise Israel and continued to oppose its existence. And thus Israel has pretty much acted in the manner of a country still in war. While many of its actions are framed as retaliatory, they are often far greater in scale than the initial attacks. Israel has been of the opinion to prioritise a few Israeli lives over the cost of tens of thousands of Palestinian lives. Which I disagree with. Over the past few decades, I’ve felt Israel has more often been in the wrong. But I’m also not surprised by its mindset given they were fighting for their survival in 1948.

I think the solution to this has to be around recognising Israel. The alternative is unrealistic, I don’t think Israel will be eventually overcome. And the terrorist groups that fly their flag around this banner of overcoming Israel tend to harm their own people more, causing destabilisation in these countries. On the other hand, Israel uses these existence of these terrorist groups to justify continued settlement expansion and occupation. Without these groups, think it would be much harder for Israel to resist international pressure and not reach a deal with the Palestinians.

It’s also worth noting that many surrounding Arab countries today are finding the problems they have from these terrorist groups creating instability in their country a far bigger problem than Israel these days. This has led to these countries changing stance towards Israel such as Egypt even willing to work together in some instances in order to fight a bigger problem in their eyes.

The sooner this Israeli Palestine situation can be resolved, the sooner all these countries in the Middle East can work together to stamp out these terrorist groups creating problems in the region. And then you can have peace in the region.

Is it not possible to normalise relations with israel without recognising them as a legitimate country? I am assuming that recognising israel also means agreeing that Palestine no longer exists.

 

[ads101]

Is it not possible to normalise relations with israel without recognising them as a legitimate country? I am assuming that recognising israel also means agreeing that Palestine no longer exists.

I don’t think so. If you don’t recognise israel, you’re not saying they have a right to exist. Recognising Israel doesn’t mean you can’t recognise Palestine too, it’s just about confirming borders. Israel won’t want to formally give land away to Palestine and recognise Palestine only for countries/organisations to then continue with their objective of removing Israel. Both israel and Palestine need to be legitimate countries for a permanent ceasefire to occur. Then neither side will have an excuse to break the peace.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Answer to thread question: Anti Muslim venom

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I don’t think so. If you don’t recognise israel, you’re not saying they have a right to exist. Recognising Israel doesn’t mean you can’t recognise Palestine too, it’s just about confirming borders. Israel won’t want to formally give land away to Palestine and recognise Palestine only for countries/organisations to then continue with their objective of removing Israel. Both israel and Palestine need to be legitimate countries for a permanent ceasefire to occur. Then neither side will have an excuse to break the peace.

Actually that is an interesting point about confirming borders. Many of the Arab countries as they now exist had their borders drawn up in the early 20th century by the Sykes Picot agreement which was a carve up following the fall of the Ottoman empire. That is a debate in itself, anyway probably a topic for another thread.

 

[topspin]

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[finalfantasy7]

Gaurav Arya Supporting Genocide on Indian National Television​

 

[Bhaijaan]

Major Gaurav Arya has exposed the true war mongering genocidal face of Indians to the whole muslim world yesterday.

They just cannoit be trusted and every muslim nation ensure they do not contribute directly or indirectly to Indian progress.

 

[Rafale Nidhal Fan]

I believe only indian establishment and their puppet supporters back this

majority of the sensible public are against this since beginning

unfortunately some puppets are on this forum as well

 

[Bhaijaan]

I believe only indian establishment and their puppet supporters back this

majority of the sensible public are against this since beginning

unfortunately some puppets are on this forum as well

Its very simple.
90% of Hindus are Overwhelmingly Pro Israel i.e., Anti Palestine, Anti Iran, Anti everythign muslim.
100% of muslims in India are Pro Iran, Pro Palestine and everything muslim.

There's a Hindu India.
and there's a Muslim India (Dar al khilafa al hindiyah)
They are both two different nations with opposing worldviews.

 

[Rafale Nidhal Fan]

Its very simple.
90% of Hindus are Overwhelmingly Pro Israel i.e., Anti Palestine, Anti Iran, Anti everythign muslim.
100% of muslims in India are Pro Iran, Pro Palestine and everything muslim.

There's a Hindu India.
and there's a Muslim India (Dar al khilafa al hindiyah)
They are both two different nations with opposing worldviews.

not true. Its a group and a blind herd of sheep that obeys and follow whatever their party tells them to.

Most who we see blindly supporting the evil are on their paycheck

 

[Rajdeep]

Its very simple.
90% of Hindus are Overwhelmingly Pro Israel i.e., Anti Palestine, Anti Iran, Anti everythign muslim.
100% of muslims in India are Pro Iran, Pro Palestine and everything muslim.

There's a Hindu India.
and there's a Muslim India (Dar al khilafa al hindiyah)
They are both two different nations with opposing worldviews.

This is a very accurate post. Pakistanis and Indian Abdools only shed tears for Palestine or Lebaon due to common religion.

However, Hindus simply dont feel the same allegiance for Palestine. On top of that, the fact that Israel is facing similar extremism from neighbouring Islamist nations, Indian Hindus can somehow relate to it and hence a touch of empathy for Israel if anything.

Now dont take me wrong....I personally dont support what Israel is doing. At a humanitarian level I have sympathy towards people of Palestine, like I have for people of Ukraine, Iran or South Sudan or North Koreans or Ebola striken villages in Africa etc etc.

But expecting us to have the same level of concerns for Palestine as Pakistanis will never happen. Just like Pakistanis would have never cared for Palestine if instead of jews another muslim nations taken over their land. Just like they dont care bombing fellow Afghans.

#FACTS

 

[Bhaijaan]

This is a very accurate post. Pakistanis and Indian Abdools only shed tears for Palestine or Lebaon due to common religion.

However, Hindus simply dont feel the same allegiance for Palestine. On top of that, the fact that Israel is facing similar extremism from neighbouring Islamist nations, Indian Hindus can somehow relate to it and hence a touch of empathy for Israel if anything.

Now dont take me wrong....I personally dont support what Israel is doing. At a humanitarian level I have sympathy towards people of Palestine, like I have for people of Ukraine, Iran or South Sudan or North Koreans or Ebola striken villages in Africa etc etc.

But expecting us to have the same level of concerns for Palestine as Pakistanis will never happen. Just like Pakistanis would have never cared for Palestine if instead of jews another muslim nations taken over their land. Just like they dont care bombing fellow Afghans.

#FACTS

You Hindus have no reason to support Palestine.
If tomorrow Islamic forces get their way in the subcontinent and go on butchering hindus, taking their women, razing hindu temples to the ground or desecrating them, the Palestinians and to a lesser extent probably even the Iranians will be doing Bhangra

I laugh at some of your Anti National hindu people who try to be woke and support causes of communities which hold no respect or empathy for your religion/country. This is why i always question the intelligence of Indians. They're actually very thick people who are good at mugging, clearing entrance tests because their parents trained them like a stage monkey with a whip in their hand from childhood, otherwise Indians generally show no real genuine intelligence, innovation or art.

 

[globetrotter]

India always maintained friendly relations with developed and developing countries… Israel meets that criteria… a tiny nation with a population of half of Mumbai’s is progressive, master in technology and quick response country when it comes to dealing with Jihadi Countries.

India isn’t friend of jihadi and communal countries

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

You Hindus have no reason to support Palestine.
If tomorrow Islamic forces get their way in the subcontinent and go on butchering hindus, taking their women, razing hindu temples to the ground or desecrating them, the Palestinians and to a lesser extent probably even the Iranians will be doing Bhangra

I laugh at some of your Anti National hindu people who try to be woke and support causes of communities which hold no respect or empathy for your religion/country. This is why i always question the intelligence of Indians. They're actually very thick people who are good at mugging, clearing entrance tests because their parents trained them like a stage monkey with a whip in their hand from childhood, otherwise Indians generally show no real genuine intelligence, innovation or art.

I wouldn't concern yourself about that, when Rajdeep says he personally doesn't support what israel is doing, he's telling fibs. This is the real essence of taqqiya which was actually perfected by hindutvas. No surprise really since it is ingrained in their very culture. No shame in it either, Hinduism embraces all, and deception is valued rather than looked at suspiciously.

 

[Bhaijaan]

I wouldn't concern yourself about that, when Rajdeep says he personally doesn't support what israel is doing, he's telling fibs. This is the real essence of taqqiya which was actually perfected by hindutvas. No surprise really since it is ingrained in their very culture. No shame in it either, Hinduism embraces all, and deception is valued rather than looked at suspiciously.

Every community practices Taqqiyah. Its just that we muslims formalized this practice but they all hide their true intentions for example Indians in America try to show that they value American culture but the truth is they can level leave their filthy Indian habbits and their aim is to take over foreign lands. India is silently taking over nations without firing a bullet, but we cannot complain because we are also doing it, not as a nationality in case of Indians, but as a religion.

 

[emranabbas]

This is a very accurate post. Pakistanis and Indian Abdools only shed tears for Palestine or Lebaon due to common religion.

However, Hindus simply dont feel the same allegiance for Palestine. On top of that, the fact that Israel is facing similar extremism from neighbouring Islamist nations, Indian Hindus can somehow relate to it and hence a touch of empathy for Israel if anything.

Now dont take me wrong....I personally dont support what Israel is doing. At a humanitarian level I have sympathy towards people of Palestine, like I have for people of Ukraine, Iran or South Sudan or North Koreans or Ebola striken villages in Africa etc etc.

But expecting us to have the same level of concerns for Palestine as Pakistanis will never happen. Just like Pakistanis would have never cared for Palestine if instead of jews another muslim nations taken over their land. Just like they dont care bombing fellow Afghans.

#FACTS

Nobody is expecting you to have concern or sympathy for Palestinians or Muslims, so I genuinely do not know where you got that idea from.

You do not see people going onto Indian forums or Indian spaces telling Indians that they must support Palestinians or Muslims. People are not going out of their way to enter your spaces and lecture you. Tum khud hi idhar aate ho.

What people have a problem with is that you deliberately come onto Muslim and Pakistani forums, pages and discussions, not because you care about the topic, but simply to support every anti-Palestinian and anti-Muslim organisation or narrative you can find. Then when people respond negatively, you try to act as if you are somehow being attacked for your views.

If you want to openly support Israel or anti-Muslim organisations, that is your choice, but there are countless platforms, pages and communities that already agree with you. Those are the places where you should be having those discussions. Instead, you specifically choose to enter Muslim and Pakistani spaces just to provoke people, mock them and push anti-Muslim talking points. That is why people react.

The issue is not that you have a different opinion. The issue is that you seem obsessed with constantly inserting yourself into Muslim and Pakistani discussions when nobody asked you to be there. You are not changing anyone’s mind by doing this. Nobody is reading your comments and suddenly abandoning everything they believe because you showed up in a Muslim or Pakistani space repeating the same anti-Muslim or anti-Palestinian talking points, In reality, all you are doing is making yourself look more and more obsessed. The more time you spend going into Muslim and Pakistani discussions to talk about Muslims and Pakistanis, the more obvious it becomes that this has become a fixation for you. People begin to see you not as someone with a strong argument, but as someone who spends an unhealthy amount of time thinking about communities they claim not to care about. you are simply going out of your way to create arguments and hostility towards yourself and your country and religion

At some point you need to ask yourself why you are so fixated on Muslims and Pakistanis. Nobody is forcing you to follow these pages, enter these discussions or involve yourself in these communities. The fact that you keep coming back again and again says far more about your insecurity and obsession than it does about the people you are arguing with.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Every community practices Taqqiyah. Its just that we muslims formalized this practice but they all hide their true intentions for example Indians in America try to show that they value American culture but the truth is they can level leave their filthy Indian habbits and their aim is to take over foreign lands. India is silently taking over nations without firing a bullet, but we cannot complain because we are also doing it, not as a nationality in case of Indians, but as a religion.

I don't think there is anything wrong in emigrating and trying to improve your new place of residence. This is what the Mughals did with India. They encouraged the populace to discard old and evil practices like widow burning and caste discrimination, and they enriched and united the subcontinent at the same time.

I used to believe as a Brit, we should do the same, but obviously we Brits looted India and stole it's wealth. Even now I would like to spread western freedom in many eastern countries, but sadly as I have matured, I have realised that we are rich only because the east is poor. Britain cannot compete on a global scale without forceful colonialism where we could extract the resources of other nations to our benefit, not theirs.

 

[Rajdeep]

Nobody is expecting you to have concern or sympathy for Palestinians or Muslims, so I genuinely do not know where you got that idea from.

You do not see people going onto Indian forums or Indian spaces telling Indians that they must support Palestinians or Muslims. People are not going out of their way to enter your spaces and lecture you. Tum khud hi idhar aate ho.

What people have a problem with is that you deliberately come onto Muslim and Pakistani forums, pages and discussions, not because you care about the topic, but simply to support every anti-Palestinian and anti-Muslim organisation or narrative you can find. Then when people respond negatively, you try to act as if you are somehow being attacked for your views.

If you want to openly support Israel or anti-Muslim organisations, that is your choice, but there are countless platforms, pages and communities that already agree with you. Those are the places where you should be having those discussions. Instead, you specifically choose to enter Muslim and Pakistani spaces just to provoke people, mock them and push anti-Muslim talking points. That is why people react.

The issue is not that you have a different opinion. The issue is that you seem obsessed with constantly inserting yourself into Muslim and Pakistani discussions when nobody asked you to be there. You are not changing anyone’s mind by doing this. Nobody is reading your comments and suddenly abandoning everything they believe because you showed up in a Muslim or Pakistani space repeating the same anti-Muslim or anti-Palestinian talking points, In reality, all you are doing is making yourself look more and more obsessed. The more time you spend going into Muslim and Pakistani discussions to talk about Muslims and Pakistanis, the more obvious it becomes that this has become a fixation for you. People begin to see you not as someone with a strong argument, but as someone who spends an unhealthy amount of time thinking about communities they claim not to care about. you are simply going out of your way to create arguments and hostility towards yourself and your country and religion

At some point you need to ask yourself why you are so fixated on Muslims and Pakistanis. Nobody is forcing you to follow these pages, enter these discussions or involve yourself in these communities. The fact that you keep coming back again and again says far more about your insecurity and obsession than it does about the people you are arguing with.

Loads of BS. Your entire arguement is - "I know you are speaking the truth. But why do you want to do it in Pakistani forum? Go and do it somewhere else...let us live in social media propaganda and feel good"

Well, I have no issues. However, this OP was specific question directed towards Indians. So I have to give Indian prespective.

When you open thread and mock Indian ranking in hunger index, when in the very same index Pakistan rank eveb higher...you expect what exactly from us? Close eyes and move on?

Pls show me one Pakistani related thread where I poke my nose. I have no interest. However, if you accuse/mock India...being an Indian, I will respond. Simple

 

[HalBass9]

India always maintained friendly relations with developed and developing countries… Israel meets that criteria… a tiny nation with a population of half of Mumbai’s is progressive, master in technology and quick response country when it comes to dealing with Jihadi Countries.

India isn’t friend of jihadi and communal countries

India is a developing country, so maybe it should focus on maintaining friendly relations with its own minorities first, including Christians and Muslims, before trying to venture further out

Having PM dancing for phaaadarland is not to maintain friendly relationship, it is the same relationship as you pay to see the 'Mujra', the Indian PM obliged to do Mujra.

 

[globetrotter]

India is a developing country, so maybe it should focus on maintaining friendly relations with its own minorities first, including Christians and Muslims, before trying to venture further out

Having PM dancing for phaaadarland is not to maintain friendly relationship, it is the same relationship as you pay to see the 'Mujra', the Indian PM obliged to do Mujra.

What Minorities man? You know what happened in TCS conversion case, it’s too much freedom for minorities in India

If India not treated their minorities well, then Abdul Kalam Azad never been a President of India and SRK, Aamir Salman would be Bollywood star.

Tell me now why not any Hindu becoming President or PM in Pakistan? This is how Pakistan treating minorities.

 

[Rajdeep]

What Minorities man? You know what happened in TCS conversion case, it’s too much freedom for minorities in India

If India not treated their minorities well, then Abdul Kalam Azad never been a President of India and SRK, Aamir Salman would be Bollywood star.

Tell me now why not any Hindu becoming President or PM in Pakistan? This is how Pakistan treating minorities.

These guys lives in parallel world. Just because they have no minority rights in Pakistan, they assume that to be the case in India.

TCS example you already gave. None of these guys will talk about it as its exposes the dirty laundry of their bhai bandhus. Also, check the comment Prakash Raj made today about Lord Ram whom millions of hindus have faith on. Imagine likes of Prakash Raj saying these kind of things about Islam in Pakistan...they will be immidiately killed.

Wonder what extra rights so called minorities wants in India? Ditto same case here in UK too and reason why people are frustrated. Here they just play Raycist card as jail escape.

 

[HalBass9]

What Minorities man? You know what happened in TCS conversion case, it’s too much freedom for minorities in India

If India not treated their minorities well, then Abdul Kalam Azad never been a President of India and SRK, Aamir Salman would be Bollywood star.

Tell me now why not any Hindu becoming President or PM in Pakistan? This is how Pakistan treating minorities.

Barack Obama became President, and yet racism in the US didn’t magically disappear. Even he has acknowledged that systemic issues still exist.

Denzel Washington and Dave Chappelle have also pointed out that racial disparities and unequal treatment are still part of American society.

And y'all defending Indian RSS bigotry by electing the same politician who can't stop talking about slaughtering human over a cow.

Y'all overplayed 90's narrative. Time to upgrade.

 

[Rajdeep]

You Hindus have no reason to support Palestine.
If tomorrow Islamic forces get their way in the subcontinent and go on butchering hindus, taking their women, razing hindu temples to the ground or desecrating them, the Palestinians and to a lesser extent probably even the Iranians will be doing Bhangra

I laugh at some of your Anti National hindu people who try to be woke and support causes of communities which hold no respect or empathy for your religion/country. This is why i always question the intelligence of Indians. They're actually very thick people who are good at mugging, clearing entrance tests because their parents trained them like a stage monkey with a whip in their hand from childhood, otherwise Indians generally show no real genuine intelligence, innovation or art.

Oh sorry...I missed this gem of a post. Agree Bhaijaan

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

These guys lives in parallel world. Just because they have no minority rights in Pakistan, they assume that to be the case in India.

TCS example you already gave. None of these guys will talk about it as its exposes the dirty laundry of their bhai bandhus. Also, check the comment Prakash Raj made today about Lord Ram whom millions of hindus have faith on. Imagine likes of Prakash Raj saying these kind of things about Islam in Pakistan...they will be immidiately killed.

Wonder what extra rights so called minorities wants in India? Ditto same case here in UK too and reason why people are frustrated. Here they just play Raycist card as jail escape.

Why do you guys always compare your religion with Islam? If you guys want to mock your religious figures please feel free to do so, that is part of your belief system...fine. But why do you expect Muslims to follow your beliefs? That would make them Hindus.

 

[emranabbas]

Loads of BS. Your entire arguement is - "I know you are speaking the truth. But why do you want to do it in Pakistani forum? Go and do it somewhere else...let us live in social media propaganda and feel good"

Well, I have no issues. However, this OP was specific question directed towards Indians. So I have to give Indian prespective.

When you open thread and mock Indian ranking in hunger index, when in the very same index Pakistan rank eveb higher...you expect what exactly from us? Close eyes and move on?

Pls show me one Pakistani related thread where I poke my nose. I have no interest. However, if you accuse/mock India...being an Indian, I will respond. Simple

no my whole argument is your obsession over Pakistan and your insecurity that you have to go out of your way to a Pakistani form to seek validation from Pakistanis

and yes I will open a thread to show you and your fellow Indians the mirror when you mock Pakistan for being poor, if that puts a pain in your backside not my issue. but hey reality is India is suffering a lot more than Pakistan so look at your self first
before joining Pakistani forums to mock Pakistan and covering it up with the fake 4th largest economy mask when people in your own country don't have food, toilets and sleeping on streets.

your mocking would only make sense if you were USA UK or any other developed country but your a shitty country yourself.

 

[Rajdeep]

no my whole argument is your obsession over Pakistan and your insecurity that you have to go out of your way to a Pakistani form to seek validation from Pakistanis

and yes I will open a thread to show you and your fellow Indians the mirror when you mock Pakistan for being poor, if that puts a pain in your backside not my issue. but hey reality is India is suffering a lot more than Pakistan so look at your self first
before joining Pakistani forums to mock Pakistan and covering it up with the fake 4th largest economy mask when people in your own country don't have food, toilets and sleeping on streets.

your mocking would only make sense if you were USA UK or any other developed country but your a shitty country yourself.

I never mock. I simply respond and speak the truth. Show me one single thread I have opened mocking Pakistan like you have done - Hunger index, Indian hygiene, Chattisgarh blast where 15 people died with a smiley etc etc.

I find it bizzare that you lay a charge and dont want to hear response. You want us to disappear from this forum? Stop opening India centric thread and we will never post here (atleast not in TP section).

The other day in peace deal thread, everything was going good until you dragged India and Devadwal and mocking us arrogantly. Then when peace deal failed, should we not have given back? Ofcourse we did and then you started crying.

A person who is obsessed to an extent to quote Kerala Youth congress tweet to defame India is asking others why are you obsessed with Pakistan.

Hahahaha

 

[emranabbas]

I never mock. I simply respond and speak the truth. Show me one single thread I have opened mocking Pakistan like you have done - Hunger index, Indian hygiene, Chattisgarh blast where 15 people died with a smiley etc etc.

I find it bizzare that you lay a charge and dont want to hear response. You want us to disappear from this forum? Stop opening India centric thread and we will never post here (atleast not in TP section).

The other day in peace deal thread, everything was going good until you dragged India and Devadwal and mocking us arrogantly. Then when peace deal failed, should we not have given back? Ofcourse we did and then you started crying.

A person who is obsessed to an extent to quote Kerala Youth congress tweet to defame India is asking others why are you obsessed with Pakistan.

Hahahaha

your fellow Indians have been and if we are responding to them and its hurting your backside maybe you should have word with your fellow Indians. and yes I will post Indian deaths with a smiley because I get a pleasure out of it lets not forget your fellow tag team Indians have been doing it too so stop crying when your getting the same response.

if you Indians disappear there will be 90% reduction on Indian related threads

what's me mocking you and your tag team buddy on a forum got to do with an actual deal going on Islamabad? yeh kesi technology hai

The deal hasn’t ‘failed’. Unlike you lot, people actually understand mediation is not the same thing as some quick business transaction where you expect instant results. Real mediation can take two, three, or more rounds before anything meaningful happens. You’re the ones acting like clowns doing bhangra one and then being told round 2 of talks in Islamabad soon to spoil your party.