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@mithun, this is a true incident..a muslim organization in UP went to a dalit community and told them that if you convert you will get respect as equals..then a dalit youth asked that will you marry your daughters with us after we convert? the person who narrated this incident wrote that it was a valid question..but the evangelists said that these are mischievious people, they dont want to convert therefore want to raise such questions..

no one knows this better than me, i was refused as a son in law even when i was ready to convert, only because of caste issues..and then they say only hindus have casteism.
 
@mithun, this is a true incident..a muslim organization in UP went to a dalit community and told them that if you convert you will get respect as equals..then a dalit youth asked that will you marry your daughters with us after we convert? the person who narrated this incident wrote that it was a valid question..but the evangelists said that these are mischievious people, they dont want to convert therefore want to raise such questions..

no one knows this better than me, i was refused as a son in law even when i was ready to convert, only because of caste issues..and then they say only hindus have casteism.

All these equality and stuff sounds good on paper.

When the time comes to implement it, it will be impossible for many.

How many people would give their daughter to a Dalit man?

I have seen people take dalit women as wife. But not the other way around. Never seen a upper caste Hindu/Muslim/Christian giving their daughter to a Dalit man with open arms. I am sure some might have done it. But it is as rare as finding a 150km/h Phast bowler in India :akhtar
 
two excuses i have seen in muslim community when this casteism question is raised.. first that there is no caste in Islam. yes, Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w) was an egalitarian person..he said none is greater or smaller based on caste race etc..but then he also said many good things..and Quran says many other good things, but the social ills are present..they only remember the teachings of Islam when they want to hide their evils..

second excuse is that it is Hindu influence.. just see the clever use of the word "influence".. if Arabs and Turks came here, and after interacting with hindus, they adopted caste, then it can be called influence.. but it was the opposite..those who converted only changed their religion, not their caste..this is not influence, but something that was already a part of you which you carried forward in your new religion..

so after all said and done, the casteists will proudly call themselves syeds and mirzas..and wont marry a non syed.. the litmus test for egalitarianism if if you are willing to inter marry and ont use caste based insults like marasis..

just goes to show, that religion can show you a good path, but human nature will find ways to corrupt it..

to anyone feeling bad after reading it..i am only talking about the casteist mentality in the SC, and not saying anything bad about any religion.
 
I think there is a lot of "influence" on Hindu society that Arabs brought over.
For example,
1. using water to clean yourself after using restroom (both for no 1 and 2).
2. The notion in Hindus to disapprove Pre-marital sex.
3. The sense of veil. Female covering their head or the use of dupatta to cover their front (this is sorta left in Sikhs mostly) and now mostly done by some Hindu females when they visit a temple or attend someone's death ceremony.
4. The use of Alcohol to be looked a non-encouraged act. Etc
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I think if you look at some of those Kama Sutra and Koke shaaster type statues from the Pre-Muslim era in India u will feel like it was a totally different world. It seems like Islam did bring quite a siginificantinfluence on the Hindu social set up. I think influence was subtle and gradual to take effect over a few centuries.
 
I think there is a lot of "influence" on Hindu society that Arabs brought over.
For example,
1. using water to clean yourself after using restroom (both for no 1 and 2).
2. The notion in Hindus to disapprove Pre-marital sex.
3. The sense of veil. Female covering their head or the use of dupatta to cover their front (this is sorta left in Sikhs mostly) and now mostly done by some Hindu females when they visit a temple or attend someone's death ceremony.
4. The use of Alcohol to be looked a non-encouraged act. Etc
----
I think if you look at some of those Kama Sutra and Koke shaaster type statues from the Pre-Muslim era in India u will feel like it was a totally different world. It seems like Islam did bring quite a siginificantinfluence on the Hindu social set up. I think influence was subtle and gradual to take effect over a few centuries.


***?? :asif

So subcontinental people never cleaned their tushies until Arabs came??? :yk So were they using toilet rolls or they just left it for the nature to clean them :))

Arabs surely influenced Hindus a lot. But the above statement is laughworthy. Please post any links if you have it :nehra
 
When the promiscuous Hindus were working on complex philosophy which would influence early Greek philosophers or, in Taxila (modern day Rawalpindi), compiling the most difficult grammar in the world (of Sanskrit by Panini), the chivalrous Arab bedouins were probably getting cheesy with their goats so I guess indeed we had to learn a lot of them.
When an Arab(-Berber), Ibn Khaldun, says that without the Persian administration the Arab "civilization" wouldn't have lasted more than one day I think it also says a lot on what we could have learned of them - Muhammad bin Qasim and his brigade of thieves, for instance, burned all the Sanskrit book written in Sindh (which still remained an intellectual centre thanks to its peoples), that's why Sindhis hate him and prefer Raja Dahir, but there's one particular ethnic group in Pakistan which will never stop its historical masochism.
 
***?? :asif

So subcontinental people never cleaned their tushies until Arabs came??? :yk So were they using toilet rolls or they just left it for the nature to clean them :))

Arabs surely influenced Hindus a lot. But the above statement is laughworthy. Please post any links if you have it :nehra

Yes, this is actually interesting.
If you do a little research you will find out how Hindu Rajas would get themselves clean after no 2, and it would give you some clues.
About 100 yard long or so piece of silk cloth was held from the two opposite corners by two servants in a way that the middle would touch the ground. (Like a loosely held Jump rope). The raja after taking off the load would sit in the middle of silk cloth and the two servants will then pull and push the corners to create resistence under raja's rear end and hence wipe off the crap. The idea was not to touch that area with hand and there was no concept of using water.
Regular folks would use mud stones. (You only wish if they had toilet papers 1000 years ago).

The entire idea of "Tahaarut" (getting cleanliness with the use of abundance of water) was brought to India by Muslim Arabs since its mandatory for Muslims to get Tahaarut after using rest room and before making wadhu (ablution) for prayers (some people also call it Istanjah).

It slowly got popular in Hindus and became part of their routine.

Here in the western world (supposedly more advance in every aspect) don't use water after using the rest room. The focus only stays on washing the hands.
One of my friend's daughter has an Ameican female friend (white) who visited my friends home once and had to use the restroom. She saw a "Lota" in there and asked about it. My friends daughter explained the purpose of Lota and how is it used.
That American girl went home and talked about it to her mother who got so impressed and interested that she requested us to get her some new Lotas and believe it or not they have started using it as just we do.
 
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Yes, this is actually interesting.
If you do a little research you will find out how Hindu Rajas would get themselves clean after no 2, and it would give you some clues.
About 100 yard long or so piece of silk cloth was held from the two opposite corners by two servants in a way that the middle would touch the ground. (Like a loosely held Jump rope). The raja after taking off the load would sit in the middle of silk cloth and the two servants will then pull and push the corners to create resistence under raja's rear end and hence wipe off the crap. The idea was not to touch that area with hand and there was no concept of using water.
Regular folks would use mud stones. (You only wish if they had toilet papers 1000 years ago).


The entire idea of "Tahaarut" (getting cleanliness with the use of abundance of water) was brought to India by Muslim Arabs since its mandatory for Muslims to get Tahaarut after using rest room and before making wadhu (ablution) for prayers (some people also call it Istanjah).

It slowly got popular in Hindus and became part of their routine.

Here in the western world (supposedly more advance in every aspect) don't use water after using the rest room. The focus only stays on washing the hands.
One of my friend's daughter has an Ameican female friend (white) who visited my friends home once and had to use the restroom. She saw a "Lota" in there and asked about it. My friends daughter explained the purpose of Lota and how is it used.
That American girl went home and talked about it to her mother who got so impressed and interested that she requested us to get her some new Lotas and believe it or not they have started using it as just we do.

Surely someone should use it as a movie joke or Stand up comedy routine. That stuff sounds hilarious.

Surely India where Water is available in abundance everywhere would have been using it to clean themselves after answering Number-2.

Ordinary folks using mud stones?? Surely you must be trolling. Hahahahahahaaa. Please post any links you have. Otherwise I will not believe it.

The funniest thing is, Arabs who live in Deserts taught subcontinent people how to use water to clean their behind?

I am sure water is precious in Arabia and not everyone will have access to it.
I would be inclined to believe that Arabs would just slide on sand after they finish taking dump. It would at least sound believable. :asif
 
i would have loved to be the silk roll holding servant for the kings and queens..sounds like a great job to have.
 
When the promiscuous Hindus were working on complex philosophy which would influence early Greek philosophers or, in Taxila (modern day Rawalpindi), compiling the most difficult grammar in the world (of Sanskrit by Panini), the chivalrous Arab bedouins were probably getting cheesy with their goats so I guess indeed we had to learn a lot of them.
When an Arab(-Berber), Ibn Khaldun, says that without the Persian administration the Arab "civilization" wouldn't have lasted more than one day I think it also says a lot on what we could have learned of them - Muhammad bin Qasim and his brigade of thieves, for instance, burned all the Sanskrit book written in Sindh (which still remained an intellectual centre thanks to its peoples), that's why Sindhis hate him and prefer Raja Dahir, but there's one particular ethnic group in Pakistan which will never stop its historical masochism.

You failed to answer the earlier question put to you. Were the Balochis and Afghans raped by the Arabs as well because their men lacked something between their legs as you so eloquently put it? How else can we explain their conversion to Islam?
 
Surely someone should use it as a movie joke or Stand up comedy routine. That stuff sounds hilarious.

Surely India where Water is available in abundance everywhere would have been using it to clean themselves after answering Number-2.

Ordinary folks using mud stones?? Surely you must be trolling. Hahahahahahaaa. Please post any links you have. Otherwise I will not believe it.

The funniest thing is, Arabs who live in Deserts taught subcontinent people how to use water to clean their behind?

I am sure water is precious in Arabia and not everyone will have access to it.
I would be inclined to believe that Arabs would just slide on sand after they finish taking dump. It would at least sound believable. :asif

Truly beggars belief that Indians with abundant water everywhere had to learn water use from desert nomads.
 
You failed to answer the earlier question put to you. Were the Balochis and Afghans raped by the Arabs as well because their men lacked something between their legs as you so eloquently put it? How else can we explain their conversion to Islam?

His ancestors are hindu, perhaps he should enlighten us how and why they converted. He seems to know a lot about everyone else's history.
 
You failed to answer the earlier question put to you. Were the Balochis and Afghans raped by the Arabs as well because their men lacked something between their legs as you so eloquently put it? How else can we explain their conversion to Islam?

Ouch !!!


Truly beggars belief that Indians with abundant water everywhere had to learn water use from desert nomads.

I think what Khaleefa tried to say is that it's not about abundance or shortage of water. It's about the concept of using water for a certain task. And hence I think he gave the example of a case in USA where I think, there is more availability of water to be used in the rest rooms compare to India where god knows how many gazillions don't even have access to rest room in the first place.

Check for example here. The water is in abundance, YES,,,.... but ... the concept is not there.

 
Ouch !!!




I think what Khaleefa tried to say is that it's not about abundance or shortage of water. It's about the concept of using water for a certain task. And hence I think he gave the example of a case in USA where I think, there is more availability of water to be used in the rest rooms compare to India where god knows how many gazillions don't even have access to rest room in the first place.

Check for example here. The water is in abundance, YES,,,.... but ... the concept is not there.


The American family was just following their European traditions where cold weather makes water use unpleasant. Europeans probably heated water once a week for bath and the whole family bathed in the same tub taking turns. Indians on the other hand have a tradition of bathing in rivers, ponds and lakes. Even the Indus valley ruins show evidence of public baths and other water use management.
 
So many sick posters! Are you guys jealous of our talent? Pukhtana zindabad :P

always the case
mung de na spin um yo, oh khkulay um


and simba please, alot of people even claim irfan and yusuf to be pashtun. you may read what you want on them sites but the fact is that people like shan, khaleefa and pakprince are no different. the ones who claim that imran khan is not a pakhtun are the same people who will call srk, salman etc a damaa

every community has its bad seeds, full of hatred, who spread this hatred quite freely
 
You failed to answer the earlier question put to you. Were the Balochis and Afghans raped by the Arabs as well because their men lacked something between their legs as you so eloquently put it? How else can we explain their conversion to Islam?

I think there will be a few more extra steps. As Pathans are highly probable to be decendents of some lost Jewish tribe. (I read about this research findings a few years ago).
 
I think it translates as,
We (Pathans) are lighter skin and more good looking from them (Punjabis and all the rest).

:)))

gorey rang ka zamana

i will be a racist if my people are undermined so openly in a thread that did not need any of that stuff to begin with. but if you and shan are going to act like bigots so will I.
i dont believe in being the bigger man, its a sign of weakness. i treat somebody how they treat me. simples
 
yes, this is actually interesting.
If you do a little research you will find out how hindu rajas would get themselves clean after no 2, and it would give you some clues.
About 100 yard long or so piece of silk cloth was held from the two opposite corners by two servants in a way that the middle would touch the ground. (like a loosely held jump rope). The raja after taking off the load would sit in the middle of silk cloth and the two servants will then pull and push the corners to create resistence under raja's rear end and hence wipe off the crap. The idea was not to touch that area with hand and there was no concept of using water.
Regular folks would use mud stones. (you only wish if they had toilet papers 1000 years ago).

The entire idea of "tahaarut" (getting cleanliness with the use of abundance of water) was brought to india by muslim arabs since its mandatory for muslims to get tahaarut after using rest room and before making wadhu (ablution) for prayers (some people also call it istanjah).

It slowly got popular in hindus and became part of their routine.

Here in the western world (supposedly more advance in every aspect) don't use water after using the rest room. The focus only stays on washing the hands.
One of my friend's daughter has an ameican female friend (white) who visited my friends home once and had to use the restroom. She saw a "lota" in there and asked about it. My friends daughter explained the purpose of lota and how is it used.
That american girl went home and talked about it to her mother who got so impressed and interested that she requested us to get her some new lotas and believe it or not they have started using it as just we do.

:))):))):))) potw
 
Yes, this is actually interesting.
If you do a little research you will find out how Hindu Rajas would get themselves clean after no 2, and it would give you some clues.
About 100 yard long or so piece of silk cloth was held from the two opposite corners by two servants in a way that the middle would touch the ground. (Like a loosely held Jump rope). The raja after taking off the load would sit in the middle of silk cloth and the two servants will then pull and push the corners to create resistence under raja's rear end and hence wipe off the crap. The idea was not to touch that area with hand and there was no concept of using water.

Regular folks would use mud stones. (You only wish if they had toilet papers 1000 years ago).

The entire idea of "Tahaarut" (getting cleanliness with the use of abundance of water) was brought to India by Muslim Arabs since its mandatory for Muslims to get Tahaarut after using rest room and before making wadhu (ablution) for prayers (some people also call it Istanjah).

It slowly got popular in Hindus and became part of their routine.

Here in the western world (supposedly more advance in every aspect) don't use water after using the rest room. The focus only stays on washing the hands.
One of my friend's daughter has an Ameican female friend (white) who visited my friends home once and had to use the restroom. She saw a "Lota" in there and asked about it. My friends daughter explained the purpose of Lota and how is it used.
That American girl went home and talked about it to her mother who got so impressed and interested that she requested us to get her some new Lotas and believe it or not they have started using it as just we do.

:)):))):O:O
what was that?
 
I think there is a lot of "influence" on Hindu society that Arabs brought over.
For example,
1. using water to clean yourself after using restroom (both for no 1 and 2).
2. The notion in Hindus to disapprove Pre-marital sex.
3. The sense of veil. Female covering their head or the use of dupatta to cover their front (this is sorta left in Sikhs mostly) and now mostly done by some Hindu females when they visit a temple or attend someone's death ceremony.
4. The use of Alcohol to be looked a non-encouraged act. Etc
----
I think if you look at some of those Kama Sutra and Koke shaaster type statues from the Pre-Muslim era in India u will feel like it was a totally different world. It seems like Islam did bring quite a siginificantinfluence on the Hindu social set up. I think influence was subtle and gradual to take effect over a few centuries.

dude arab culture is one of the backward culture of the world.even most of the muslims agree on that.yes intermixing does happen.but you are showing as if before islam india was something out of planet.yes i agree that veil concept was not original to india.but that water story of raja was something out of the world:14::14:
 
I think it translates as,
We (Pathans) are lighter skin and more good looking from them (Punjabis and all the rest).

Just watched couple of clips from Pashto films. Its amazing how good looking and fit they are, i mean hahaha. I hope more people watch these films, so myth of good looking can die off.
 
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:)))

gorey rang ka zamana

i will be a racist if my people are undermined so openly in a thread that did not need any of that stuff to begin with. but if you and shan are going to act like bigots so will I.
i dont believe in being the bigger man, its a sign of weakness. i treat somebody how they treat me. simples

Unlike you Afghans we Punjabis dont need to claim anyone in bollywood to be from Punjab. You know why? Because 90% of bollywood is from Punjab and rest is mixed anyway.

If you want to watch 100% pathans movie then pashto films are your only source.
 
If you do a little research you will find out how Hindu Rajas would get themselves clean after no 2, and it would give you some clues.
About 100 yard long or so piece of silk cloth was held from the two opposite corners by two servants in a way that the middle would touch the ground. (Like a loosely held Jump rope)......

i tried to do some research..went to scholar.google.com to look for journal papers, did random googling, and even download al baruni's book on india..still couldnt find anything..

please share your sources..
 
i tried to do some research..went to scholar.google.com to look for journal papers, did random googling, and even download al baruni's book on india..still couldnt find anything..

please share your sources..

Its way too much research...he said 'little research':jf
 
i tried to do some research..went to scholar.google.com to look for journal papers, did random googling, and even download al baruni's book on india..still couldnt find anything..

please share your sources..

Read Qudrat ullah Shahab's "Shahaab Nama". You will find references, witness accounts, and historical events. It's out there and you can get to the bottom of it if you really want to dig it and are brave enough to stand with the truth.
 
Just watched couple of clips from Pashto films. Its amazing how good looking and fit they are, i mean hahaha. I hope more people watch these films, so myth of good looking can die off.

And then you know, that famous "Peetal" stuff about them. :)
 
i tried to do some research..went to scholar.google.com to look for journal papers, did random googling, and even download al baruni's book on india..still couldnt find anything..

please share your sources..

I don't have the time for it right now, but if you do, Manusmriti and I one of the Vedas (I forget which one), tells how to wash oneself up after answering nature's call. You could try looking it up. Unless, the Arabs came to India before the Vedas.
 
Okay found it. Manusmriti Chapter 4:

In order to cleans the organs by which urine and faeces are ejected, earth and water must be used, as they may be required, likewise in removing the remaining ones among twelve impurities of the body.

Oily exudations, semen, blood, the fatty substance of the brain, urine, faeces, the mucus of the nose, ear-wax, phlegm, tears, the rheum of the eyes, and sweat are the twelve impurities of human bodies.

He who desires to be pure must clean the penis by one application of earth and then water, the anus by applying earth and then water three times, the left hand alone by applying it ten times, and both hands by applying it seven times.
 
Okay found it. Manusmriti Chapter 4:

In order to cleans the organs by which urine and faeces are ejected, earth and water must be used, as they may be required, likewise in removing the remaining ones among twelve impurities of the body.

Oily exudations, semen, blood, the fatty substance of the brain, urine, faeces, the mucus of the nose, ear-wax, phlegm, tears, the rheum of the eyes, and sweat are the twelve impurities of human bodies.

He who desires to be pure must clean the penis by one application of earth and then water, the anus by applying earth and then water three times, the left hand alone by applying it ten times, and both hands by applying it seven times.

I still prefer the king on a string version. Imagine if the servants start catapulting the royal family for a game of angry birds.
 
It's amazing to hear the lengths that some will go to to try and, for some reason, justify the Islamic invasions of the sub-continent. The muslims taught the hindus how to clean their rear ends?

Why are we so insecure about our origins? We were hindus - whether by religion or culture or race, however you want to define it. For a number of differing reasons, we converted. 1000 years later, we still are struggling to come to terms with it?
 
Unlike you Afghans we Punjabis dont need to claim anyone in bollywood to be from Punjab. You know why? Because 90% of bollywood is from Punjab and rest is mixed anyway.

If you want to watch 100% pathans movie then pashto films are your only source.

What I found :

Is Punjab the only state in north India? Nope. Do all Indians speak fluent Punjabi? Well, thanks to Raj and his ilk, we've come to learn what 'praah', 'soniye' and 'makhna' mean. What is with Bollywood's obsession with the state, considering that so many of its actors don't even come from there?
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"The Indian family shown in movies is generally a north Indian one. What has changed in the last few years is that this family has become specifically Punjabi Hindu (not Sikh)," says Nandini Ramnath, film correspondent, Time Out magazine.

Ramnath adds that since Hindi has been the language of most Mumbai movies, whatever the background of the actor, he or she is made into a generic north Indian character. "Even the very Tamilian Vyjayanthimala or the very Bengali Meena Kumari had to pass off as a north Indian. In recent times, my favourite non-Punjabi pretending to be one is the very Bengali-looking Rani Mukherji," she says.
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Film critic Deepa Gahlot agrees. "After Partition, several of the Punjabi filmmakers moved to India from Lahore. The Chopras, the Sippys, the Kapoors, are all Punjabis. It's obvious that they will make movies about what they know. It's just that earlier, the hero-heroine never had a last name. It was only a Vijay, which vaguely suggested of North Indian roots." Gahlot also feels that the huge NRI market, which thrives on bhangra and Punjabi-infused dialogue, is a factor.
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Trade analyst Vinod Mirani feels that Punjabi is quite close to Hindi. "Also, other states don't have as much of a creative contribution to the industry as much as Punjab does. The Gujarati influence extends to the money and the ownership of studios," he explains. Mirani adds that it is an ongoing trend that will change. "Back in the 1970s and '80s, Bambaiyya Hindi was huge. Now more than Punjabi, Hinglish is the rage."

http://www.mid-day.com/specials/200...Jodi-Dev-D-Singh-is-Kinng-Jab-We-Met-Play.htm

I have observed that these Bollywood folks sell their **** to the foriegn audiences as movies that are Indian and that represent Indian people, their traditions and Culture. But the fact is, most Bollywood movies have been only glorifying North Indian, that too mostly Punjabi culture. But we can’t help it can we, after all, more than 80% of people involved in Bollywood since the past 5 decades are Punjabis.

http://believedhype.wordpress.com/2009/03/26/bollywood-truly-not-for-all-indians/
 
Was the notion of bride burning and castes brought to India by the Arabs too?

Nothing wrong with what Delhi_Dude said. Subcontinent had its own bad things like every other civilization that came and went before.

Sati was popular in the state of Rajasthan and Punjab which often faced the brunt of invasions. Especially among Rajputs.
 
you are talking about jauhar? the case of mass suicide by females to avoid the brutality of the invaders.. that was because of invaders.. sati, on the other hand was not because of arabs..it was economic reasons..women were encouraged to die with their husband because then there was less resource to share
 
there is a theory about the timing of hindu marriages.. in northern india it is done at night..in southern india, it is done in the daytime.. some say because northern india was most affected by invaders so to save their women folk they did the marriages at night..
 
Poor Dilip Kumar isn't looking very well at the moment. Don't know why his team feel the need to make such photos public.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/iamsrk?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@iamsrk</a> came to visit Saab at home today. -FF <a href="https://t.co/GLrnqu1Ln2">pic.twitter.com/GLrnqu1Ln2</a></p>— Dilip Kumar (@TheDilipKumar) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheDilipKumar/status/963077727149535234?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">12 February 2018</a></blockquote>
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I personally have found the Hindu emigrant actors such as Rajendra Kumar , Dev Anand , Manoj Kumar , Sunit Dutt and Vinod Khanna to be far better looking than their Muslim counterparts such as Yusuf and Shah Rukh Khan.
 
Unlike you Afghans we Punjabis dont need to claim anyone in bollywood to be from Punjab. You know why? Because 90% of bollywood is from Punjab and rest is mixed anyway.

If you want to watch 100% pathans movie then pashto films are your only source.

Man I miss Shan. The only ancient Pakistani I genuinely admired.
 
I personally have found the Hindu emigrant actors such as Rajendra Kumar , Dev Anand , Manoj Kumar , Sunit Dutt and Vinod Khanna to be far better looking than their Muslim counterparts such as Yusuf and Shah Rukh Khan.

they are mostly from Punjabi Khatri background like Prithviraj Kapoor. Among current Pak actors veteran actor Javed Sheikh is from that background.
 
they are mostly from Punjabi Khatri background like Prithviraj Kapoor. Among current Pak actors veteran actor Javed Sheikh is from that background.

I think Dutt was a Mohyal Brahmin ? But yes most of them had a Punjabi Khatri background. Pretty dashing looking lads.
 
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