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The UK has voted by 52% to 48% to leave the European Union after 43 years in an historic referendum.

London and Scotland voted strongly to stay in the EU but the remain vote has been undermined by poor results in the north of England.

UKIP leader Nigel Farage hailed the result as the UK's "independence day".

The pound fell to its lowest level against the dollar since 1985 as the markets reacted to the results.

The referendum turnout was 71.8% - with more than 30 million people voting - the highest turnout at a UK election since 1992.

Wales and the majority of England outside London voted in large numbers for Brexit.

Labour's Shadow chancellor John McDonnell said the Bank of England may have to intervene to shore up the pound, which lost 3% within moments of the first result showing a strong result for Leave in Sunderland and fell as much as 6.5% against the euro.
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http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36615028
 
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Financial impact already started. All Asian Stock market indexes have fallen. Hang Sen, Nikkei, S&P all crashed.

Sad sad day for investors :(
 
is it definite yet? i must admit i really was not expecting this at all.
 
Its a very poor decision by Brits:

A) It will not improve border control and immigration as local people are thinking. Most of the immigrants in UK are from war ridden states of Syria/Iraq and not from other european states. Not sure how moving out of European Union will help the matter.

B) It will have massive financial impacts...not only in UK but globally. Most of UK's FDI s are tied with Germany and Belgium. Moving out fr Europe will make those companies suffer.

C) Pound value will go down due to less foreign investment now. Infact it already hit 31 year low.

D) JP Morgan already announced they will do 40% Job cut due to Brexit. Get ready for other big banks from US to follow suit as they do not want 2008 kinda situation again.

Its probably the biggest mistake Britain made since 2nd World War.

I call it as vote of death.

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Will we see another referendum in Scotland, now that they've voted to Remain? I bet Sturgeon and Co. are secretly happy at the results.
 
The latest results from BBC are neck and neck... give or take exactly a million votes.

Leave: 14,861,576, Remain: 13,861,537
 
i think this is an excellent opportunity for corbyn. its clearly the working class low income economy agnostic demographic that has made the statement. thats the traditional labour support slab. if they can configure an amenable immigration strategy, it looks like this election is theirs for the taking.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">God help our country.</p>— Paddy Ashdown (@paddyashdown) <a href="https://twitter.com/paddyashdown/status/746189332885581826">24 June 2016</a></blockquote>
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The EU and UK are in absolute shambles. Expect Scotland to leave UK soon. I wouldn't be surprised if far right populist parties start gaining a lot of traction in the UK.
 
Scotland is like a nagging Girlfriend........when she gets an opportunity to leave she decides to stay.....only to continue whining non-stop.....and thats despite negotiating a super deal for scots compared to the rest of the UK.

Perhaps us English should vote on Scotland, put an end to it once and for all.
 
Spookiewookie said:
Scotland is like a nagging Girlfriend........when she gets an opportunity to leave she decides to stay.....only to continue whining non-stop.....and thats despite negotiating a super deal for scots compared to the rest of the UK.

Perhaps us English should vote on Scotland, put an end to it once and for all.
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Why shouldn't they ?

Staying in EU was one of the cornerstones of the pro UK argument during the Scottish referendum.
No that England have decided to leave EU and Scotland have decided to vote to in overwhelmingly, they are completely justified in asking for a new referendum as this is a significant shift .
 
BeautifulGame said:
Why shouldn't they ?

Staying in EU was one of the cornerstones of the pro UK argument during the Scottish referendum.
No that England have decided to leave EU and Scotland have decided to vote to in overwhelmingly, they are completely justified in asking for a new referendum as this is a significant shift .
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So they want to stay in the union as long as we do what they say - else they will throw their toys out of the pram.....its a very fickle union if this is how its going to be - I say no thankyou.

The EU referendum was part of the electoral mandate of the tories - wasn't even a small print.

poor excuses.....suck it up.
 
Spookiewookie said:
So they want to stay in the union as long as we do what they say - else they will throw their toys out of the pram.....its a very fickle union if this is how its going to be - I say no thankyou.

The EU referendum was part of the electoral mandate of the tories - wasn't even a small print.
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Staying in EU or not is arguably the most important political/ economical decision in our life times .So yes when such a significant shift occurs they are well within their rights to ask for a new referendum .
Why should their nation suffer for the decision of England and Wales when they overwhelmingly have rejected it.Every county in Scotland has voted remain majority .
 
BeautifulGame said:
Staying in EU or not is arguably the most important political/ economical decision in our life times .So yes when such a significant shift occurs they are well within their rights to ask for a new referendum .
Why should their nation suffer for the decision of England and Wales when they overwhelmingly have rejected it.Every county in Scotland has voted remain majority .
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cause its a UNION.
 
BeautifulGame said:
Staying in EU or not is arguably the most important political/ economical decision in our life times .So yes when such a significant shift occurs they are well within their rights to ask for a new referendum .
Why should their nation suffer for the decision of England and Wales when they overwhelmingly have rejected it.Every county in Scotland has voted remain majority .
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Hey when did you shift to England?:boycott
 
[MENTION=130268]BeautifulGame[/MENTION]

quick fact check

Scotland has voted in favour of the UK staying in the EU by 62% to 38% - with all 32 council areas backing Remain.

Majority for sure agree - what about the voices of the 38% - how far does the rabbit hole go?
 
Spookiewookie said:
[MENTION=130268]BeautifulGame[/MENTION]

quick fact check

Scotland has voted in favour of the UK staying in the EU by 62% to 38% - with all 32 council areas backing Remain.

Majority for sure agree - what about the voices of the 38% - how far does the rabbit hole go?
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Then UK shouldnt leave EU either nearly 48% have voted to stay in EU.Far more percentage than that have voted to leave EU in Scotland
 
Spookiewookie said:
thnk you need to brush up on how the democratic system works. :)

Google is your friend here.
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Spookiewookie said:
[MENTION=130268]BeautifulGame[/MENTION]

quick fact check

Scotland has voted in favour of the UK staying in the EU by 62% to 38% - with all 32 council areas backing Remain.

Majority for sure agree - what about the voices of the 38% - how far does the rabbit hole go?
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Confused arent u ?
 
HOW AGES VOTED
(YouGov poll)
18-24: 75% Remain
25-49: 56% Remain
50-64: 44% Remain
65+: 39% Remain


Sums up the absurdness of this referendum .

Basically older generation have made a decision (that is irreversible as well)against the wishes younger generation who are the ones actually that will be affected long term .
 
street cricketer said:
So is the referendum legally binding?
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Woe betide any Government that ignores this Referendum result.

Article 50 will be invoked and we will have two years to work out a new trade deal with the EU.

This is absolutely seismic. Now there will be a possible Danexit and Nethexit and the EU will shrink. I doubt it will implode altogether.

Putin must be rubbing his hands in glee.
 
BeautifulGame said:
HOW AGES VOTED
(YouGov poll)
18-24: 75% Remain
25-49: 56% Remain
50-64: 44% Remain
65+: 39% Remain


Sums up the absurdness of this referendum .

Basically older generation have made a decision (that is irreversible as well)against the wishes younger generation who are the ones actually that will be affected long term .
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Can you share the link where this data can be viewed?
 
godzilla said:
i think this is an excellent opportunity for corbyn. its clearly the working class low income economy agnostic demographic that has made the statement. thats the traditional labour support slab. if they can configure an amenable immigration strategy, it looks like this election is theirs for the taking.
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I doubt it. The SNP will get even stronger and LAB will lose even more Scottish MPs, while UKIP have bitten big chunks out of their English white working class support.

Then again - what's the point of UKIP now?
 
Britain will regret this in years to come. The folks who've voted for the ‪#‎Brexit‬ appear to be 6-year olds driving a lorry.
 
Nicola Sturgeon,*Scotland’s first minister, will now be gauging how strongly the party’s most senior figures, particularly her predecessor Alex Salmond, feel on whether the Scottish National party should call clearly now for a second independence referendum or simply demand that this option is put on the table.

Salmond is by far the next most influential SNP figure after Sturgeon and he made clear a month ago he believes there is a powerful case for a quick second referendum within two years of an EU exit vote.*He told the Victoria Derbyshire BBC referendum debate in late May a new referendum “would have to be [held] within the two year period of UK negotiating withdrawal; it would have to be.”

A lot of SNP activists will take heed of Salmond’s views. The question now is whether Salmond takes that position given the UK has voted to leave despite Scotland giving the largest pro-EU vote of any part of the UK.

The latest SNP manifesto on which it won a third successive Holyrood election said a Brexit vote would be the “material change” which could justify a second vote on Scotland’s constitutional future.

Sturgeon’s instinct will be to tread carefully since few recent Scottish opinion polls show a majority of voters want a second referendum even if there was a Brexit vote, and she also knows the Scottish economy is very fragile, making her government’s spending heavily reliant on UK support.

Some senior SNP figures believe they need polls showing consistent 60% support for independence before calling for one

From <a href="http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2016/jun/23/eu-referendum-result-live-counting-leave-remain-brain-in-europe"> Guardian </a>
 
Good news is that Cameron will leave and hopefully a demise of the tories - thanks Brexit
 
Far right populism is spreading throughout the West and looks to be the future. Imagine Boris leading UK, Trump in USA and Le Pen in France. Scary times ahead.
 
Indian_Supporter said:
Its a very poor decision by Brits:

A) It will not improve border control and immigration as local people are thinking. Most of the immigrants in UK are from war ridden states of Syria/Iraq and not from other european states. Not sure how moving out of European Union will help the matter.

B) It will have massive financial impacts...not only in UK but globally. Most of UK's FDI s are tied with Germany and Belgium. Moving out fr Europe will make those companies suffer.

C) Pound value will go down due to less foreign investment now. Infact it already hit 31 year low.

D) JP Morgan already announced they will do 40% Job cut due to Brexit. Get ready for other big banks from US to follow suit as they do not want 2008 kinda situation again.

Its probably the biggest mistake Britain made since 2nd World War.

I call it as vote of death.

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You just don't understand the issues. I'm proud that I voted Leave.

Firstly, the EU has a powerless parliament but is actually run by an unelected Commission.

Secondly, the Remain camp was basically the Middle Class who had kept their living standards up during a period of Austerity and low wage rises by using cheap Polish and Lithuanian labour in business and for building/plumbing etc.

But those cheap cash-in-hand Poles ensured that our own tradesmen either had to endure never-ending wage cuts or accept long-term unemployment.

This election was lost in England and Wales because the new British underclass had nothing to lose financially, because the combination of austerity and mass Polish immigration had destroyed them financially.

We are not the USA or India. We don't want to live well by having our compatriots trapped in low wage penury.
 
Gosha said:
Far right populism is spreading throughout the West and looks to be the future. Imagine Boris leading UK, Trump in USA and Le Pen in France. Scary times ahead.
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The European countries were facing similar economic situation before Hitler came to the fore in those days he used Jews as the bogey man. Many of the far right leaders will be using other races as the bogey man Muslims or Asians. The comment about history repeating itself is so apt.
 
Gosha said:
Far right populism is spreading throughout the West and looks to be the future. Imagine Boris leading UK, Trump in USA and Le Pen in France. Scary times ahead.
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Far right? Really?

This referendum was decided by working class Labour supporters who had seen their economic lives destroyed while low wage Eastern Europeans flooded in.

Marine Le Pen has a similar constituency. She is not a racist thug like her dad. She is a politician who speaks to the residents of the post-industrial rust belt.

The EU of twelve rich nations made sense. An EU of 28 is simply a transfer of wealth from west to east and from north to south. Why would the residents of the north and west do that?

Don't forget, a decade ago the citizens of France and the Netherlands voted against the EU Constitution in referenda. Yet their governments signed it anyway.
 
People are stupid and should not be trusted on such big issues Britan what a sad state you guys are.


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Gosha said:
Far right populism is spreading throughout the West and looks to be the future. Imagine Boris leading UK, Trump in USA and Le Pen in France. Scary times ahead.
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Indeed, this is why Pakistani infrastructure should be developed so we can go back just in case a lunatic gets elected.
 
Junaids said:
Secondly, the Remain camp was basically the Middle Class who had kept their living standards up during a period of Austerity and low wage rises by using cheap Polish and Lithuanian labour in business and for building/plumbing etc.
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some of us also voted to Leave - for me it was simple - protect democracy and our right to decide our own affairs.
 
Brexit: UK votes to leave EU in historic referendum

dhump said:
People are stupid and should not be trusted on such big issues Britan what a sad state you guys are.


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This is a large part of why we voted out.

The entire EU edifice is built upon a Sham European Parliament with zero powers, while an Unelected European Commission decides and implements what is going to happen.

We have seen through the sham, and so have our Dutch and Danish friends. I wouldn't be surprised if Nexit and Dexit are completed before Brexit.
 
Junaids said:
This is a large part of why we voted out.

The entire EU edifice is built upon a Sham European Parliament with zero powers, while an Unelected European Commission decides and implements what is going to happen.

We have seen through the sham, and so have our Dutch and Danish friends. I wouldn't be surprised if Nexit and Dexit are completed before Brexit.
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Whatever make you guys feel better....I dont know why you votes for it, but I know why majority of people did and this is not the reason.




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Junaids said:
We have seen through the sham, and so have our Dutch and Danish friends. I wouldn't be surprised if Nexit and Dexit are completed before Brexit.
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Plus French & Germans - they are already asking for their voices to be heard - and with elections looming next spring it will be interesting to see how their public votes....

The Domino effect....

Cameron - the saviour of European democracy..... :)
 
Indian_Supporter said:
Its a very poor decision by Brits:

A) It will not improve border control and immigration as local people are thinking. Most of the immigrants in UK are from war ridden states of Syria/Iraq and not from other european states. Not sure how moving out of European Union will help the matter.

B) It will have massive financial impacts...not only in UK but globally. Most of UK's FDI s are tied with Germany and Belgium. Moving out fr Europe will make those companies suffer.

C) Pound value will go down due to less foreign investment now. Infact it already hit 31 year low.

D) JP Morgan already announced they will do 40% Job cut due to Brexit. Get ready for other big banks from US to follow suit as they do not want 2008 kinda situation again.

Its probably the biggest mistake Britain made since 2nd World War.

I call it as vote of death.
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The highlighted points above were what the public knew already. Yet the public have voted. The vast majority of the voters are your average 9-5 workers like me. We can see the benefits of Europe, however it's now at a point where the disadvantages outweigh the benefits.

Immigration will be down, people won't be waltzing into the country as freely. Surely it impacts us as well (visas to visit more countries) but that's not going to affect the majority of the population. Those refugees are coming through Europe and not directly to us.

Of course it's going to have financial implications, only an idiot wouldn't think it would, but again we've done pretty well since 2008. Better than most countries, so the people are confident we'll do ok on our own.

Pound value will drop for sure, but it'll rise again over time, that 31% low is just a dramatic drop post result, but it'll settle over time.

You call it a vote of death, that's the kind of negativity that the remain campaigners used. It's a vote for liberation and control but funny how you and the remain campaign use so much negativity.

The people have spoken, millions have.
 
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dhump said:
Whatever make you guys feel better....I dont know why you votes for it, but I know why majority of people did and this is not the reason.




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I really hope you're not implying bigotry and prejudice. The future Australian-style immigration points system will increase Commonwealth - including non-White - immigration.

But it will match immigration to required shortage skills, like in Australia.

It won't let a million Eastern Europeans in to displace existing British workers from jobs unless they accept falling incomes.
 
Interesting times ahead, 5 years on we will know if it was the right or the wrong decision- but the folks have spoken.

Exit campaigners should now be supporting Scotexit as well- be hypocritical if they dont.
 
Junaids said:
I really hope you're not implying bigotry and prejudice. The future Australian-style immigration points system will increase Commonwealth - including non-White - immigration.

But it will match immigration to required shortage skills, like in Australia.

It won't let a million Eastern Europeans in to displace existing British workers from jobs unless they accept falling incomes.
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UK had a points based system in the noughties and the browns abused it like no tomorrow. what makes folks think the system will work this time around.
 
nish_mate said:
Interesting times ahead, 5 years on we will know if it was the right or the wrong decision- but the folks have spoken.

Exit campaigners should now be supporting Scotexit as well- be hypocritical if they dont.
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I do. I've said for months that Scotland should be in the EU, not the UK.

And Northern Ireland should never have been split off from the rest of Ireland.

...Cameron just announced he's going....
 
Have fun with this cock up England.

Scotland's out :P


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bones said:
Immigration will be down, people won't be waltzing into the country as freely. Surely it impacts us as well (visas to visit more countries) but that's not going to affect the majority of the population. Those refugees are coming through Europe and not directly to us. .
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As a Brit - didn't need a Visa to VISIT many European countries before dont see why one would need one now....

I see you are using haram technology again - hard to resist isn't it.... ;)
 
Junaids said:
I really hope you're not implying bigotry and prejudice. The future Australian-style immigration points system will increase Commonwealth - including non-White - immigration.

But it will match immigration to required shortage skills, like in Australia.

It won't let a million Eastern Europeans in to displace existing British workers from jobs unless they accept falling incomes.
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Existing Europeans won't go back most will apply for British citizenship over the next few years.
 
speed said:
Existing Europeans won't go back most will apply for British citizenship over the next few years.
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I agree.

But the Poles are settled now. This will at least stop a next wave of Bulgarians, Croats and Romanians from having the effect that they did.
 
Junaids said:
I agree.

But the Poles are settled now. This will at least stop a next wave of Bulgarians, Croats and Romanians from having the effect that they did.
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Does the 5 year residency rule apply for EU's as well? or it just for non EU's? ANyways will see a big spike in citizenship applications.

From a selfish perspective my only concern be the European travel- as got Private Medical so NHS is not a big concern for me, and same with schooling for the lil one.
 
Just seen on Sky News Boris's car get attacked as he left his house by the public shouting "****". That was unexpected, Interesting times ahead.
 
Junaids said:
I really hope you're not implying bigotry and prejudice. The future Australian-style immigration points system will increase Commonwealth - including non-White - immigration.

But it will match immigration to required shortage skills, like in Australia.

It won't let a million Eastern Europeans in to displace existing British workers from jobs unless they accept falling incomes.
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I am actually not even debating when number of experts from all respective field were not able to put any sense in half of Britain why should I even try.

I am more interested to see reaction of your children and what they think of your generation in next years to come.
 
dhump said:
I am actually not even debating when number of experts from all respective field were not able to put any sense in half of Britain why should I even try.

I am more interested to see reaction of your children and what they think of your generation in next years to come.
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Depends on how much of a leg up they would have got from their parents- always did and always will.

If came from a well earning family- then not a concern, more of a concern for the working class tbh
 
Brexit: UK votes to leave EU in historic referendum

dhump said:
I am actually not even debating when number of experts from all respective field were not able to put any sense in half of Britain why should I even try.

I am more interested to see reaction of your children and what they think of your generation in next years to come.
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We live in Australia but are currently in the USA watching the Copa America, and my 14 year old - who will probably attend university in England (one of my classmates was in the Bullingdon Club with George Osborne) - seems to share my views.

Remain and Leave are not parties and were campaigning on one issue - they aren't supposed to have wider policies.

But ultimately, the EU is dying, and we have dodged a bullet in getting out in time.

My parents were right to vote to enter the European Economic Community four decades ago. But successive European politicians have tried to build a United States Of Europe without a mandate.
 
Nigel Farage, the Ukip leader, has told ITV’s Good Morning Britain that he thought it was a mistake for the Vote Leave campaign to say that it could save £350m a week by leaving the EU and that the money could go to the NHS.

Bit late now pal.
 
I'm shocked tbh, knew it would be close but didn't think Remain would lose it by more than a million votes.

There will be too much uncertainty now for years to come. I really think this is disastrous but let's see what happens.
 
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