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just goes to show how unnatural it is for him to hit out. put all the effort in but it still didn't travel all the way
 
We should bat for 30 overs more and look to score around 150, target score of 580-600.
 
Off topic, but how good will be a Messi-equivalent batsman be in today's cricket?

I'm thinking an average of 60 in Tests and ODIs and 50 in T20s, will probably be closing in on Tendulkar's hundred records in his mid 20s while breaking several other records like most runs in a year, most consecutive hundreds, fastest to X number of runs etc etc. well before he is 27/28.
 
Mamoon said:
Off topic, but how good will be a Messi-equivalent batsman be in today's cricket?

I'm thinking an average of 60 in Tests and ODIs and 50 in T20s, will probably be closing in on Tendulkar's hundred records in his mid 20s while breaking several other records like most runs in a year, most consecutive hundreds, fastest to X number of runs etc etc. well before he is 27/28.
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don't expect such hypothetical posts from u. Atleast it shows u r human
 
Mamoon said:
Off topic, but how good will be a Messi-equivalent batsman be in today's cricket?

I'm thinking an average of 60 in Tests and ODIs and 50 in T20s, will probably be closing in on Tendulkar's hundred records in his mid 20s while breaking several other records like most runs in a year, most consecutive hundreds, fastest to X number of runs etc etc. well before he is 27/28.
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I'm sorry. I didn't realize we were in video game mode.

lol. Average of 50 in T20's and 60 in ODI's and Tests. I'd like some of what you're smoking mate.
 
Mamoon said:
Off topic, but how good will be a Messi-equivalent batsman be in today's cricket?

I'm thinking an average of 60 in Tests and ODIs and 50 in T20s, will probably be closing in on Tendulkar's hundred records in his mid 20s while breaking several other records like most runs in a year, most consecutive hundreds, fastest to X number of runs etc etc. well before he is 27/28.
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Hundred centuries while in the mid 20s? That's pretty steep.

Messi scores a LOT of goals as he is a brilliant striker, but also has the support of some good quality midfielders feeding him assists. In cricket it's different where a batsman only has the support of the guy at the other end and that's only moral support, no runs.
 
iHammad said:
Hundred centuries while in the mid 20s? That's pretty steep.

Messi scores a LOT of goals as he is a brilliant striker, but also has the support of some good quality midfielders feeding him assists. In cricket it's different where a batsman only has the support of the guy at the other end and that's only moral support, no runs.
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Not hundred centuries in mid 20s, but probably around 70.

Let's say 30 hundreds in around 60 Tests, and 40 hundreds in 120 ODIs and maybe two/three T20 hundreds as well.
 
Azhar is such an unnatural batsman, just has no stroke making ability. A gu like shafiq who isn't any good himself looks like richards in front of him
 
uberkoen said:
I'm sorry. I didn't realize we were in video game mode.

lol. Average of 50 in T20's and 60 in ODI's and Tests. I'd like some of what you're smoking mate.
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Players like de Villiers, Amla and Kohli average 50+ in two formats, while Sangakkara is closing in on an average of 60 in Tests. Neither of them are as good as Messi at what they do, which is why I'm thinking something above their level.

Maybe Bradman would have achieved that in this era.
 
SO happy for Asad and Azhar. Two great guys who deserve this success. Keep it up !!!
 
Mamoon said:
Not hundred centuries in mid 20s, but probably around 70.

Let's say 30 hundreds in around 60 Tests, and 40 hundreds in 120 ODIs and maybe two/three T20 hundreds as well.
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Kohli has 22 hundreds in 153 ODIs I believe, this Messi-esque would have to be a crazy fit athlete as well as have amazing hand eye coordination. And the ability to score in all situations, against all oppositions, on all types of pitches.
 
Mamoon said:
Not hundred centuries in mid 20s, but probably around 70.

Let's say 30 hundreds in around 60 Tests, and 40 hundreds in 120 ODIs and maybe two/three T20 hundreds as well.
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MashAllah! humaara bhai khush hai, hence no pessimistic posts:najam (even though I agree with most of em)

is it bcoz ur favourites :shafiq :azhar are doing well?
 
iHammad said:
Kohli has 22 hundreds in 153 ODIs I believe, this Messi-esque would have to be a crazy fit athlete as well as have amazing hand eye coordination. And the ability to score in all situations, against all oppositions, on all types of pitches.
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So I guess Messi equivalent would be Bradman, he could have achieved this.
 
It was not consistent with ur posting style. Rarely do I see u delving away from realism. Has to be coz u r relatively less depressed :razzaq
 
axl100mph said:
MashAllah! humaara bhai khush hai, hence no pessimistic posts:najam (even though I agree with most of em)

is it bcoz ur favourites :shafiq :azhar are doing well?
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I'm truly happy for Azhar and Asad, both are becoming top class Test batsman and Azhar is developing as an ODI batsman as well, but I'm truly disappointed that Asad is not doing well in ODIs, because I believe he has the potential to replicate his Test success in ODIs.
 
Mamoon said:
Players like de Villiers, Amla and Kohli average 50+ in two formats, while Sangakkara is closing in on an average of 60 in Tests. Neither of them are as good as Messi at what they do, which is why I'm thinking something above their level.

Maybe Bradman would have achieved that in this era.
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Bradman is probably the greatest sportsman ever across sports if you see it purely from a stastical point of view.
I mean an average of 99.96 is probably equivalent to a footballer having a 3 goal average per match.
Almost impossible to achieve.
 
axl100mph said:
It was not consistent with ur posting style. Rarely do I see u delving away from realism. Has to be coz u r relatively less depressed :razzaq
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I like to read and write fiction, so I'm not always up for realism, but I don't like people rejecting reality because they don't like it. :najam
 
Mamoon said:
So I guess Messi equivalent would be Bradman, he could have achieved this.
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But but but...Messi does not have any goals against Chelsea. #Mourinho

Tendulkar was the closest from this era I guess, or maybe AB.
 
battler said:
Bradman is probably the greatest sportsman ever across sports if you see it purely from a stastical point of view.
I mean an average of 99.96 is probably equivalent to a footballer having a 3 goal average per match.
Almost impossible to achieve.
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True, and in this era with three formats and a lot more cricket, that average would have dropped to around 60 in Tests and ODIs and maybe 50 in T20s.

I truly think he would have achieved/come close to the hypothetical Messi-esque cricketer, which makes sense. Greatest batsman and greatest forward of all time.
 
iHammad said:
But but but...Messi does not have any goals against Chelsea. #Mourinho

Tendulkar was the closest from this era I guess, or maybe AB.
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Close, but not at that level. They are equivalent to CR7 perhaps.
 
Neferpitou said:
We're still lacking quality openers. I expect Babar to take one of the spots but don't expect much from Sami right now. I hope he can fix his defensive flaws soon because he has the offensive game.
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Hafeez is good enough in the subcon so we're pretty much set, especially if Shehzad makes a comeback. We'll need Babar next year though.
 
Wicket is very placid so pakistan need to bat for another 20 overs here and declare, we need to get bangladesh in tonight and start trying to find a way to take 20 wickets which on this awful surface will be very hard.
 
Mamoon said:
I'm truly happy for Azhar and Asad, both are becoming top class Test batsman and Azhar is developing as an ODI batsman as well, but I'm truly disappointed that Asad is not doing well in ODIs, because I believe he has the potential to replicate his Test success in ODIs.
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shafiq has the same issues of strike rotation that somebody like shehzad has, but he doesn't have the big shots against the pacers, hence he always gets out during the batting powerplays. Yes he isnt a tool like the Shehzbut he we already r very one dimensional in odis' with :haris and now :azhar so shafiq's inclusion wont help
 
Mamoon said:
Close, but not at that level. They are equivalent to CR7 perhaps.
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You are underrating Ronaldo big time. I'm not a big fan of him but his goals have always been either just behind, or even sometimes ahead of Messi. From a statistical point of view, he is right up there. But from a qualitative point of view, Messi obviously wayyy ahead.
 
Mamoon said:
True, and in this era with three formats and a lot more cricket, that average would have dropped to around 60 in Tests and ODIs and maybe 50 in T20s.

I truly think he would have achieved/come close to the hypothetical Messi-esque cricketer, which makes sense. Greatest batsman and greatest forward of all time.
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Look if you start adjusting statistics with other criteria then greatness becomes very subjective and will change from person to person, many people say Ronaldo is better than Messi even if his stats may not be better but buy just watching him play.
Stastically Bradman could never be matched by anyone IMO, not even Messi.
Subjective Greatness is a different question altogether then.
 
battler said:
Look if you start adjusting statistics with other criteria then greatness becomes very subjective and will change from person to person, many people say Ronaldo is better than Messi even if his stats may not be better but buy just watching him play.
Stastically Bradman could never be matched by anyone IMO, not even Messi.
Subjective Greatness is a different question altogether then.
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Anyone who says Ronaldo is better than Messi needs therapy. :inti
 
iHammad said:
You are underrating Ronaldo big time. I'm not a big fan of him but his goals have always been either just behind, or even sometimes ahead of Messi. From a statistical point of view, he is right up there. But from a qualitative point of view, Messi obviously wayyy ahead.
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Messi is miles ahead of Ronaldo. Ronaldo will be remembered a a great goal scorer and is one of the best of all time, but Leo is something else.
 
Hoping for Sarfaraz to come out swinging today. Lets see if we can get close to 700 and grind the Bangladeshis into dust.
 
Bilal7 said:
So Sir Alex Ferguson? Okay then.
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Ferguson developed Ronaldo and coached him at Man United for 6 years, have you not considered that he clearly has big bias and a huge soft corner for him? Just like every Madrid player thinks Ronaldo is better, unless they have also played with Messi, such as ex-players like Higuain and di Maria.

Messi v Ronaldo is not a debate any more.
 
Mamoon said:
Anyone who says Ronaldo is better than Messi needs therapy. :inti
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I personally think Messi is better but don't really have too many issues with people claiming that Ronaldo is better.
Anyway I think what we all can agree is that Bradman is statistically the greatest sportsman of all time and even Messi is not equivalent to him in this regard.
Floyd Mayweather might also be very close statistically to Bradman, 48 matches 48 wins 0 losses.
 
Mamoon said:
I like to read and write fiction, so I'm not always up for realism, but I don't like people rejecting reality because they don't like it. :najam
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U seem to be more of an artist and I like the perspective u hv on life as a whole. Should hv done a creative degree. If not, then a social arts degree could have also helped u fulfill ur potential. I can imagine that u could hv written impressive texts on Sociology, politics n stuff.
 
Bilal7 said:
Hoping for Sarfaraz to come out swinging today. Lets see if we can get close to 700 and grind the Bangladeshis into dust.
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The way they both are playing i dont think they will get out soon and we have no chance for 600 let alone 700
 
Mamoon said:
Ferguson developed Ronaldo and coached him at Man United for 6 years, have you not considered that he clearly has big bias and a huge soft corner for him? Just like every Madrid player thinks Ronaldo is better, unless they have also played with Messi, such as ex-players like Higuain and di Maria.

Messi v Ronaldo is not a debate any more.
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He made a good argument of Ronaldo walking into any team and being world-class. Messi has yet to prove that he can effectively fit into the Chelsea style of play or the one employed by Stoke City.

It definitely is a debate and they are quite close.
 
azhar never seems to be settled doesnt matter he is on 0 or 200
 
razabbas said:
The way they both are playing i dont think they will get out soon and we have no chance for 600 let alone 700
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They should start scoring quickly after reaching their milestones. I would be disappointed if they don't.
 
Two cakes are already waiting for Azhar during the tea-break.
 
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