Brendan Taylor: Nottinghamshire batsman returning to Zimbabwe for 'family reasons' [Update Post #44]

[Pak_lover6]

Well I read on social media that Kyle Jarvis and Brendon Taylor will return in Zimbabwe colours. I think that would be going to boost Zimbabwe team. Kyle Jarvis I remember was very good seamer and Brendon Taylor is a really good player.
Thoughts !

 

[Shafi]

How old are they? If they are over 32 then no use

 

[Sam99]

i don't see anywhere do you have sources?

 

[Pak_lover6]

How old are they? If they are over 32 then no use

I think age does not matter as long as they can play for 3 to 4 more years.

 

[shaz619]

How old are they? If they are over 32 then no use

Kyle Jarvis is 28 so that's fine and he is more seasoned as well and Taylor is 31; there is age is no issue to me, their experience playing county cricket will account for them as well; this would be a huge boost for Zimbabwe if true!

Talk Nah [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] ! Talk Nah!!!!

 

[Abdul]

Zimbabwe didn't exactly win a lot of games in the first place when both of them were playing. Not sure if this will make any difference.

 

[MMHS]

Unless Kolpak rule changes, they can't keep County spots as overseas (not good enough as 1st choice foreigner, as only one spot is available), and I don't think they'll risk their County spot for uncertain career in ZCB. One is just 28 & other 31 - they have just entered best 4/5 years of their career, age isn't any issue.

But yes, massive, massive improvement for ZIM with these 2 - I would say it makes their pace attack at par or better than SRL right now.

 

[Pak_lover6]

http://www.newzimbabwe.com/SPORTS-38273-Zim+cricket+Taylor+return+talks+on/SPORTS.aspx

Here is the link.

 

[Markhor]

I've seen that article the OP is mentioning - its from Tristan Holme who is a reliable Zimbabwe cricket journalist.

I have a soft spot for both West Indies and Zimbabwe so the recent news about the T20 rebels returning and now this (if it happens) has put a smile on my face. This is what happens when sensible administrators make sensible choices.

In the case of West Indies - it was new CEO Johnny Grave and new Director of Cricket Jimmy Adams who pushed for the amnesty for rebel players. With Zimbabwe - there's a new Chairman in Tavengwa Mukuhlani and new Managing Director in Faisal Hasnain (former ICC chief financial officer) who are trying to get their house in order.

Kyle Jarvis would give them a new ball threat which they SORELY need whilst Brendan Taylor is class and can easily slot into the middle order.

PLEASE let this happen. Not saying Zimbabwe would be worldbeaters - but they'd establish themselves amongst the lower tier of international cricket. I could see them surpass a rapidly declining Sri Lanka, West Indies, Ireland and Afghanistan with Taylor and Jarvis returning. They'd also give themselves a REAL chance of qualifying for the 2019 WC.

THIS is why it was so important for ICC's financial model to pass. ZCB will receive $20m more than it would have under the Big Three model. ZCB wouldn't have been able to afford Taylor and Jarvis's contracts had they not received the additional revenue ! This is good for international cricket.

 

[Convict]

This would be great.

Jarvis is actually a first class standard quick and Taylor is a first class standard batsman.

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

Always love hearing good news about ZIM and WI cricket. These two teams have a rich history in cricket and I hope the cricketing culture prevails for them the future.

Pakistan should give them a full proper tour (3 Test, 5 ODI, 3 T20s) this year as they previously came and visited us in our time of need. Hope they sort out whatever administrative problems they might be facing currently.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

I hope they do return,it would strengthen Zimbabwe Cricket a lot.However it seems unlikely with the financial situation and lack of games.

 

[kaifmazhar]

Taylor is a fantastic player. Remember 2015 WC. He did remarkably well in that. He had to leave Zimbabwe because of not being able to earn enough for his family. I pity them on how meagre they earn. They play just for the love of the game. Such disparity when you look at the Indian players after IPL, the Aussies and the English.
Jarvis was fairly too. Should give them more strength to cause regular upsets.

 

[mmkextreme_1]

These players coming back would be great for their team, Jarvis would be a good combination with Chatara. Whatever happened to Vittori, was he banned for illegal action?

Zimbabwe's cricket system definitely does produce talented players. Sadly they end up leaving, they need a proper administration and guidance. With this happening I can see within 5-10 years a strong Zimbabwe cricket team.

 

[Executioner]

Back to topic.

It would be great for Zimbabwe cricket but would it make a big difference? Unfortunately no. While both are quality, Zimbabwe are still well behind their glory days.

Their recent performance against Lanka had more to do with a sinking Lanka side than their ability. They have been ordinary against Afghanistan. They havent done well in world cups or world T20s in the last 10 years. Their only good performance in world cup was the win against Australia in the inaugural world T20.

This has to do with their poor structure. It's hard for the players if they are constantly worried about finances and not getting enough facilities. A pro athlete has a lot of expenditures.

 

[Energetic]

It's good news for Zimbabwe Cricket. They would go somewhere provided their board behaves. I was impressed how well they have done in all the matches in Sri Lanka – will be tough at home for all the Asian sides for sure. True, Sri Lanka have gotten a lot weaker, but that isn't an excuse. I hope they can reclaim back their 10th position in the ODI table.

 

[DRsohail]

Back to topic.

It would be great for Zimbabwe cricket but would it make a big difference? Unfortunately no. While both are quality, Zimbabwe are still well behind their glory days.

Their recent performance against Lanka had more to do with a sinking Lanka side than their ability. They have been ordinary against Afghanistan. They havent done well in world cups or world T20s in the last 10 years. Their only good performance in world cup was the win against Australia in the inaugural world T20.

This has to do with their poor structure. It's hard for the players if they are constantly worried about finances and not getting enough facilities. A pro athlete has a lot of expenditures.

dont mind but i sriously think bangladesh and zimbabway 5 mathce odi series will be interesting......

 

[hadi123]

I really hope they do return but I highly doubt it tbh. Zimbabwe very rarely get games anyway so I don't see why they would return to Zimbabwe

 

[Pak_lover6]

Zimbabwe lost quite a brilliant players due to the politics and bad management. I still remember in early 2000's they were quite a strong team and we're very competitive. They had two brilliant young all rounders in Sean Ervine and Andy Blignaut back then.
I think they would have been fantastic for the team and world cricket had they not been affected by the circumstances.

 

[jonny darko]

I would Really like to see ICC putting a Firm end to all the player poaching done by England, then see how they compete Internationally.

 

[Shutdown Corner]

Excellent news!

 

[HitWicket]

I would Really like to see ICC putting a Firm end to all the player poaching done by England, then see how they compete Internationally.

And how do they intend to do that. For the record no played who initially qualified through the kolpak ruling has ever represented England and England have the strictest qualification criteria of any cricketing nation.

 

[Hasan123]

Good news. Will certainly strengthen Zimbabwe.

 

[Major]

How old are they? If they are over 32 then no use

Cant believe people post such stuff even after misbah and younis's career

 

[MMHS]

Only solution is to revise International qualification for Kolpaks. ECB is not responsible for this situation, as long as Counties can pay more than WICB, NZCB or ZCB & CSAF keeps messing around with their racial quota.

I think, ICC has to come to a FIFA like solution - as long as a Kolpak player isn't representing ENG (Or Scotland), he should be allowed to represent this Country of origin/birth at Internationals. If a Kolpak player once plays for his Kolpak host, he should need proper TAT (turn around time) to return back.

FIFA allows up to U21 players to swap between country of birth & country of residence/grooming. There are thousands of African kids raised in French, English or German clubs and later they represented their country of origin - but, when it comes to "Home Grown" quota, these players are actually considered duel citizen. It actually protects talent drain from financially constraint countries.

 

[HitWicket]

Only solution is to revise International qualification for Kolpaks. ECB is not responsible for this situation, as long as Counties can pay more than WICB, NZCB or ZCB & CSAF keeps messing around with their racial quota.

I think, ICC has to come to a FIFA like solution - as long as a Kolpak player isn't representing ENG (Or Scotland), he should be allowed to represent this Country of origin/birth at Internationals. If a Kolpak player once plays for his Kolpak host, he should need proper TAT (turn around time) to return back.

FIFA allows up to U21 players to swap between country of birth & country of residence/grooming. There are thousands of African kids raised in French, English or German clubs and later they represented their country of origin - but, when it comes to "Home Grown" quota, these players are actually considered duel citizen. It actually protects talent drain from financially constraint countries.

The international block is actually put in place by the ECB to discourage people going down the kolpak route. The last thing they want is overseas players who are not qualified for England and aren't good enough to take one of the official overseas spots clogging up the teams.

 

[Square Drive]

Hope this happens.

 

[aloo paratha]

Really hope they can make a return. I really want to see a strong Zimbabwe and in general strong cricketing nations in the next 5-10 years.

 

[TeymurBlake]

I think if this is in fact true, it would be excellent to have these two players back with the Zim's, they to me are still useful enough to be consider integral parts of the future of Zimbabwe cricket.

 

[kaifmazhar]

Zimbabwe lost quite a brilliant players due to the politics and bad management. I still remember in early 2000's they were quite a strong team and we're very competitive. They had two brilliant young all rounders in Sean Ervine and Andy Blignaut back then.
I think they would have been fantastic for the team and world cricket had they not been affected by the circumstances.

And that brilliant talent Travis Friend. Neil Johnson was fabulous too.

 

[msb314]

Zimbabwe didn't exactly win a lot of games in the first place when both of them were playing. Not sure if this will make any difference.

This.

Agree they are mediocre to the core - from top down...

 

[Shafi]

Cant believe people post such stuff even after misbah and younis's career

Not everybody has same fitness. Even though both Misbah and Younis were only good on flat track for last 5+ years

 

[Markhor]

Zimbabwe didn't exactly win a lot of games in the first place when both of them were playing. Not sure if this will make any difference.

Difference is both Sri Lanka and West Indies are much worse now than a few years ago. These returns represent a big chance for Zimbabwe to leapfrog them in the rankings.

They should also be able to leapfrog Afghanistan. If they do, they'll automatically qualify for the 2019 WC and receive the revenues from that event - which in turn can be invested into infrastructure and domestic cricket.

Even if they don't qualify automatically, they still have a good opportunity to do so through the WC qualifiers as Zimbabwe are favourites to host the event.

 

[ammar_merry]

Difference is both Sri Lanka and West Indies are much worse now than a few years ago. These returns represent a big chance for Zimbabwe to leapfrog them in the rankings.

They should also be able to leapfrog Afghanistan. If they do, they'll automatically qualify for the 2019 WC and receive the revenues from that event - which in turn can be invested into infrastructure and domestic cricket.

Even if they don't qualify automatically, they still have a good opportunity to do so through the WC qualifiers as Zimbabwe are favourites to host the event.

Only 8 teams to directly qualify for wc19.
Zim will have to play qualifiers even if they leapfrog afghanistan

 

[Markhor]

Only 8 teams to directly qualify for wc19.
Zim will have to play qualifiers even if they leapfrog afghanistan

You misunderstood. I meant if they leapfrog Afghanistan ADDITION to Sri Lanka and West Indies - they'll secure the eighth automatic qualifying place.

Given how SL and WI are rapidly declining, they've a real chance of doing so.

 

[ammar_merry]

Difference is both Sri Lanka and West Indies are much worse now than a few years ago. These returns represent a big chance for Zimbabwe to leapfrog them in the rankings.

They should also be able to leapfrog Afghanistan. If they do, they'll automatically qualify for the 2019 WC and receive the revenues from that event - which in turn can be invested into infrastructure and domestic cricket.

Even if they don't qualify automatically, they still have a good opportunity to do so through the WC qualifiers as Zimbabwe are favourites to host the event.

You misunderstood. I meant if they leapfrog Afghanistan ADDITION to Sri Lanka and West Indies - they'll secure the eighth automatic qualifying place.

Given how SL and WI are rapidly declining, they've a real chance of doing so.

only 2 months left for direct qualification.
its actually impossible.

 

[Markhor]

only 2 months left for direct qualification.
its actually impossible.

Damn. Well they'll just have to do it via the Qualifiers which may be hosted in Zimbabwe. Manohar is going to meet with ZCB soon.

 

[Shutdown Corner]

You misunderstood. I meant if they leapfrog Afghanistan ADDITION to Sri Lanka and West Indies - they'll secure the eighth automatic qualifying place.

Given how SL and WI are rapidly declining, they've a real chance of doing so.

As far behind as ZIM are in the rankings, it would take 2-3 years at the very least for Zimbabwe to pass SL in the rankings. Unless SL and WI loses 95% of their next 20 games and ZIM wins 95% of theirs which is highly unlikely to say the least.

 

[MMHS]

The international block is actually put in place by the ECB to discourage people going down the kolpak route. The last thing they want is overseas players who are not qualified for England and aren't good enough to take one of the official overseas spots clogging up the teams.

True - Kolpak is indirectly hurting English cricket as well. I think, whoever was in charge of that decision to revise foreign quota in County didn't see the impact. Now, we have only one quality foreigner & few Kolpaks, some of them are not quality.

If I compare to a scenario of late 70s, early 80s; every County had probably 4 foreign starters & few foreign youths as well in roster, which made the Counties extremely competitive. For example, sometimes in late 70s, Sussex was led by Tony Greig, and they had Imran, Javed, Wessels & Le Roux in their starting XI. At same time Hampshire had Barry Richards, Grineedge, Roberts & Dulip Doshi (?) - later Roberts left & they replaced him with another West Indian - Malcolm Marshall. At one point, Peter Roubuck led a Somerset side, which always had 3 of these 5 in every season for a decade - Viv, Garner, Botham, Gavaskar & Kapil. Nottinghamshire won championship few times & they had Hadlee, Rice, Stevenson & probably Lawson (Or a South African seemer, I forgot) - at Trentbridge, most Test sides of 80s (barring that WI side) would have struggled to win series against that attack. Those days, every County had quality foreign collection, therefore it was the local talent that determined the season outcome. Those days, many quality English born players actually played in League cricket for a confirmed spot, which along with few foreign pros made Lancashire or Birmingham league almost as good as many FC tournaments around.

Now, we have 1 foreigner & Taylor, Jarvis, Tino Best, Harmar ...and who knows making the County under Kolpak. No disrespect intended, but most of these players will struggle to make a secured County spot had they been English, but they are enjoying a nice Kolpak contract. Also, (I am not sure about this, [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION], please correct me, if applicable), there are lots of South Asian 2nd/3rd generation people in UK, who hold British Passport by birth now. In future, I see many South Asian average players marrying such British born native girls & qualify for Kolpak.

 

[Smbhayi]

did they complete their kolpak contract? I think they need to complete kolpak contract to return to intl cricket.

 

[Junaids]

True - Kolpak is indirectly hurting English cricket as well. I think, whoever was in charge of that decision to revise foreign quota in County didn't see the impact. Now, we have only one quality foreigner & few Kolpaks, some of them are not quality.

If I compare to a scenario of late 70s, early 80s; every County had probably 4 foreign starters & few foreign youths as well in roster, which made the Counties extremely competitive. For example, sometimes in late 70s, Sussex was led by Tony Greig, and they had Imran, Javed, Wessels & Le Roux in their starting XI. At same time Hampshire had Barry Richards, Grineedge, Roberts & Dulip Doshi (?) - later Roberts left & they replaced him with another West Indian - Malcolm Marshall. At one point, Peter Roubuck led a Somerset side, which always had 3 of these 5 in every season for a decade - Viv, Garner, Botham, Gavaskar & Kapil. Nottinghamshire won championship few times & they had Hadlee, Rice, Stevenson & probably Lawson (Or a South African seemer, I forgot) - at Trentbridge, most Test sides of 80s (barring that WI side) would have struggled to win series against that attack. Those days, every County had quality foreign collection, therefore it was the local talent that determined the season outcome. Those days, many quality English born players actually played in League cricket for a confirmed spot, which along with few foreign pros made Lancashire or Birmingham league almost as good as many FC tournaments around.

Now, we have 1 foreigner & Taylor, Jarvis, Tino Best, Harmar ...and who knows making the County under Kolpak. No disrespect intended, but most of these players will struggle to make a secured County spot had they been English, but they are enjoying a nice Kolpak contract. Also, (I am not sure about this, [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION], please correct me, if applicable), there are lots of South Asian 2nd/3rd generation people in UK, who hold British Passport by birth now. In future, I see many South Asian average players marrying such British born native girls & qualify for Kolpak.

I think that Kolpak deals will vanish almost immediately after Brexit.

BTW, the decline in English cricket in the 1980s was largely because the players' union - The Professional Cricketers Association - is the most right-wing, protectionist organisation imaginable, and they forced the TCCB to reduce the number of foreign players.

You got a few of your counties wrong!

Dilip Doshi was Nottinghamshire

Somerset was really just Richards and Garner. I actually don't even remember the stays of Gavaskar and Kapil Dev at all. The other long-termer at Somerset was actually Martin Crowe: Roebuck had Richards and Garner sacked to accommodate him!

Nottinghamshire was all about Rice and Hadlee, with Doshi for spin.

Gloucestershire was very strong: Zaheer Abbas and Sadiq Mohammad with the batting, but above all Mike Procter with both bat and ball.

Even little counties got into the act. Northamptonshire had Sarfraz Nawaz and Bishan Bedi to do the bowling and Mushtaq Mohammad to score the runs with the-then still South African Allan Lamb.

 

[MMHS]

I think that Kolpak deals will vanish almost immediately after Brexit.

BTW, the decline in English cricket in the 1980s was largely because the players' union - The Professional Cricketers Association - is the most right-wing, protectionist organisation imaginable, and they forced the TCCB to reduce the number of foreign players.

You got a few of your counties wrong!

Dilip Doshi was Nottinghamshire

Somerset was really just Richards and Garner. I actually don't even remember the stays of Gavaskar and Kapil Dev at all. The other long-termer at Somerset was actually Martin Crowe: Roebuck had Richards and Garner sacked to accommodate him!

Nottinghamshire was all about Rice and Hadlee, with Doshi for spin.

Gloucestershire was very strong: Zaheer Abbas and Sadiq Mohammad with the batting, but above all Mike Procter with both bat and ball.

Even little counties got into the act. Northamptonshire had Sarfraz Nawaz and Bishan Bedi to do the bowling and Mushtaq Mohammad to score the runs with the-then still South African Allan Lamb.

Thanks.

I just wrote it from memory. Yes Doshi at Notts (this is the missing player from my Notts list). Also, at Gloster, I think Alderman played few season.

 

[Junaids]

[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]

Other overseas players in 1978

Derbyshire:
Eddie Barlow
Peter Kirsten
John Wright

Essex:
Ken McEwan
Norbert Philip

Kent:
Asif Iqbal
John Shepherd

Lancashire:
Colin Croft
Clive Lloyd

Surrey:
Geoff Howarth
Intikhab Alam
Younis Ahmed

Sussex:
Gehan Mendis (still Sri Lankan)
Imran Khan
Javed Miandad