BRICS declaration names JeM, LeT, TTP among groups as regional concern

[Muhammad10]

XIAMEN, CHINA: The leaders of the five emerging market BRICS powers have for the first time named a number of militant groups as a regional security concern and called for their patrons to be held to account.

India welcomed the move – which came at a summit in the Chinese city of Xiamen – as an important step forward in the fight against militant attacks, of which it has been a target.

Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa make up the BRICS grouping. The group called for an immediate end to violence in Afghanistan.

“We, in this regard, express concern on the security situation in the region and violence caused by the Taliban, (Islamic State)…, al Qaeda and its affiliates including Eastern Turkistan Islamic Movement, Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan, the Haqqani Network, Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT), Jaish-e-Mohammad (JeM), TTP [Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan] and Hizbut Tahrir,” the leaders said in the declaration.

Indian foreign ministry official Preeti Saran told reporters on the sidelines of the summit that wording in the communiqué was a “very important development” and that there was recognition that the world cannot have double standards when dealing with militant attacks.

“You cannot have good and bad terrorists, and it is a collective action. Members of the BRICS countries have themselves been victims of terrorism, and I would say that what has come of today acknowledges the fact that we must work collectively in handling this.”

There was no immediate comment from Pakistan on the BRICs resolution.

China, though, has repeatedly blocked India’s attempt to get JeM chief Masood Azhar added to a UN blacklist of groups linked to al Qaeda.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/149783...es-jem-let-ttp-among-groups-regional-concern/

 

[PakLFC]

Practically it will make no difference at all. These meaningless organisations make such useless observations whenever they meet. Pakistan doesn't give a damn and India knows it.

 

[Napa]

Practically it will make no difference at all. These meaningless organisations make such useless observations whenever they meet. Pakistan doesn't give a damn and India knows it.

Given that terrorists from LeT killed 164 in the Mumbai attack, I think India does give a damn even if Pakistan doesn't.

 

[Black Zero]

Big setback for JeM, LeT and TTP.

Cause Brazil brings the surprise factor.

 

[R0H1T]

Given that terrorists from LeT killed 164 in the Mumbai attack, I think India does give a damn even if Pakistan doesn't.

Even if Pak doesn;t give a damn, China does, this is where their doublespeak comes into play. If this issue comes at the UN forum next time, they'll still block it how can we trust such an ally? This is why never trust a word China says, given their history, & that's the best policy.

 

[Varun]

Practically it will make no difference at all. These meaningless organisations make such useless observations whenever they meet. Pakistan doesn't give a damn and India knows it.

Why would you as an average Joe support organizations like the Taliban and the Lashkar-E-Toiba and get all haughty when they are spoken down on in some random forum?

I would never oppose any condemnation of the Indian Mujahideen, say.

 

[Little Master]

I don't see how this makes any difference whatsoever. Everyone and their dog knows that these organizations are terrorist organizations and world recognizes them as such. Would have been earth shattering news if India had actually succeeded in naming Pakistan as a terrorist state.

 

[www787]

The sooner Pakistan eliminate these groups the better it is for Pakistan to prove that only extremists, oppressive and terrorising group exist in South Asia is an Indian occupying army in Kashmir.

 

[big_gamer007]

So china declares them terrorist organisations however they would not impose sanctions or do anything practical against them? In fact if India raises issue of masoor Azhar in UN china will block it? Let's hope BRICS can be a strong united group and eradicated these losers once and for ever with help of UN and Pakistan..

 

[big_gamer007]

[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] what are your views on this mate? Does it serve us any good or will it be practically useless and is just a statement?

 

[Pakpak]

[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] what are your views on this mate? Does it serve us any good or will it be practically useless and is just a statement?

Essentially its useless, there is no way China will go against Pakistan actively in the UN. But it is a nudge maybe to Pakistan to start to consider taking these groups out for good.

But as for the announcement, good. Its time we get rid of such vermin from our soil once and for all. These people do nothing except spread hate and bigotry.

 

[cricketjoshila]

[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] what are your views on this mate? Does it serve us any good or will it be practically useless and is just a statement?

Goa 2016 BRICS summit China refused to let these Pakistan based groups to be naned in the terror list of BRICS.Sept 2017 it has changed it stance.What is the real intention will be known only when the UNSC votes to sanction Masood Azhar.


China also has to consider its national interests.They have a annual 70bn usd trade with India with a huge 50bn usd surplus.India in last couple of months tightening the screws on Chinese telecom and power equipment companies.Anti dumping duties againist chinese steel and tyres.So India is making it difficult for the chinese to operate in India.They dont want to mess up their market access to the very lucrative Indian market and there is no replacment for it

The Doklam issue told the chinese that India was more than willing to respond to any chinese attempt to spread its hegemony.

The recent Indo Japanese treaty to set up a observation post in Andaman islands (Right at the mouth of the straits of malacca) has seriously worried the chinese,because sea routes are the lifelines of a country and long distance sea trade routes cannot be replaced by land routes due cost factors etc.

The Russians have been very vocal about trying to build bridges between India and China.Putin has great personal relations with XI and Russia has very deep and old alliance with India.Chinese aggression has been forcing India closer to US and the west which has serious repurrcussions to Russian interests.

With things heating up on its eastern side China surely doesnot want India to be providing logistical and other assistance to US and NATO.

All this may have forced a rethink of the chinese on issues which has no serious affect on chinese interests.But how far the chinese have changed their outlook will be known from their actions in NSG and UNSC.

 

[Yossarian]

Other than to vent hot air, does BRICS as an organisation serve any practical purpose?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Other than to vent hot air, does BRICS as an organisation serve any practical purpose?

Can you tell me which organisation according to you serves any practical purpose?

 

[troodon]

So China has an understanding with India after the Doklam handshake.

India will withdraw its troops. In return, China will recognize Pak based outfits like JEM, LET, TTP as terrorist groups.

Lets see if China keeps its promise on this.

 

[cricketjoshila]

So China has an understanding with India after the Doklam handshake.

India will withdraw its troops. In return, China will recognize Pak based outfits like JEM, LET, TTP as terrorist groups.

Lets see if China keeps its promise on this.

The road construction has been stopped.

 

[troodon]

The road construction has been stopped.

Great. So what has prompted China to change its view and stance on the mentioned outfits?

 

[UN talkz]

Many terrorist groups in South Asia responsible for extreme acts: FO on BRICS' security concern

Foreign Office (FO) spokesperson Nafees Zakaria on Tuesday said that Pakistan is "seriously concerned" about the threat posed by terrorism and extremism in the South Asian region. Zakaria was speaking in reference to the BRICS' leaders summit document which named militant groups allegedly based in Pakistan as a regional security concern .

"Many terrorist groups based in the region — including in Afghanistan — such as the [banned] Tehreek-i-Taliban Pakistan and its associates like Jamaatul Ahrar (JuA) have been responsible for extreme acts of violence against Pakistani people," Zakaria said.

"We are deeply concerned at the presence of [banned] groups, like Daesh, East Turkestan Islamic Movement and Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan, in the ungoverned spaces in Afghanistan as they pose a threat to peace and security in the region."

Zakaria further said that Pakistan is concerned about the rise of extremist ideologies and intolerance in the region, which have been "encouraging social stratification and systematic targeting of minorities".
Earlier on Tuesday, Defence Minister Khurram Dastagir refuted the BRICS nations' claim about the presence of militant groups allegedly based in Pakistan.

While talking to the media after the Defence Cabinet Committee meeting, Dastagir said, "We have already said that there are no terrorist sanctuaries in Pakistan."

"Terrorist safe havens are found in Afghanistan; Pakistan does not fear any external aggression as its Army, Navy and Air Force are keeping a strict eye on the situation," he added.

On Monday, the leaders of the five emerging market BRICS powers, for the first time, named militant groups allegedly based in Pakistan as a regional security concern and called for their patrons to be held to account.

India welcomed the move — which participated at a summit in the Chinese city of Xiamen — as an important step forward in the fight against militant attacks.

Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa make up the BRICS grouping. The group had called for an immediate end to violence in Afghanistan.

“We, in this regard, express concern on the security situation in the region and violence caused by the Taliban, ISIS...Al Qaeda and its affiliates, including Eastern Turkistan Islamic Movement, Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan, the Haqqani network, Lashkar-i-Taiba, Jaish-i-Mohammad, TTP and Hizbut Tahrir,” the leaders had said in the declaration.

In the 43-page declaration, Xi, Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi, Russian President Vladimir Putin, Brazilian President Michel Temer and South African President Jacob Zuma had said they would work together to improve global economic governance to foster “a more just and equitable international order”.

The BRICS had called for “comprehensive reform” of the United Nations and the UN Security Council “with a view to making it more representative, effective and efficient, and to increase the representation of the developing countries so that it can adequately respond to global challenges”.

The five also pledged their opposition to protectionism, a theme increasingly taken up by host Chinese President Xi Jinping as anti-globalisation sentiment in the West poses a threat to China’s vast export markets.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1355792/m...for-extreme-acts-fo-on-brics-security-concern

 

[Yossarian]

Can you tell me which organisation according to you serves any practical purpose?

Did I say any does? Sounds as if you're in agreement that BRICS is just another forum for blowing hot air ... in which case what does that say about those blowing the hot air?

 

[IndYeah1]

Why would you as an average Joe support organizations like the Taliban and the Lashkar-E-Toiba and get all haughty when they are spoken down on in some random forum?

I would never oppose any condemnation of the Indian Mujahideen, say.

Because apparently even the worst kinds of morons get some positive street-cred if they are anti-India. And even the most common sense thing that could benefit Pakistan is apparently difficult to support for Pakistanis if it is seen as benefiting India the slightest.

Until Pakistan comes out of this mindset of compulsive hostility, our region can't move forward and focus fully on the development of its people.

 

[Varun]

Did I say any does? Sounds as if you're in agreement that BRICS is just another forum for blowing hot air ... in which case what does that say about those blowing the hot air?

BRICS may or may not be toothless, but why is the act of labelling terrorist organizations, well, terrorists 'hot air'? Get rid of your misplaced patriotism to these Lashkars and Talibans - these guys fight to kill and won't hesitate in fatally having a go at you or me either.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Great. So what has prompted China to change its view and stance on the mentioned outfits?

Read my post above.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Did I say any does? Sounds as if you're in agreement that BRICS is just another forum for blowing hot air ... in which case what does that say about those blowing the hot air?

You said BRICS is just hot air.So i am asking which organisation is working according to you.

 

[DW44]

Just out of curiosity, how many people here from Pakistan think that those organizations are not terrorist organizations?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Just out of curiosity, how many people here from Pakistan think that those organizations are not terrorist organizations?

I have been told that these people are freedom fighters.Someone even called them assets of the country and to be used againist India.etc etc etc.

 

[Slog]

This is only a good thing

 

[cricketjoshila]

This is only a good thing

What is?

 

[Yossarian]

BRICS may or may not be toothless, but why is the act of labelling terrorist organizations, well, terrorists 'hot air'? Get rid of your misplaced patriotism to these Lashkars and Talibans - these guys fight to kill and won't hesitate in fatally having a go at you or me either.

What utter cr*p are you spouting? You must be completely ignorant of the conversation going on for you to write the rubbish you've written. I suggest you should have read my original post on the topic before spouting the same old garbage that emanates from you.

Other than to vent hot air, does BRICS as an organisation serve any practical purpose?

The post was a simple, straightforward, and dare I say it, a reasonable question to ask. But trust the likes of you to put some twisted connotations on it.

 

[Yossarian]

You said BRICS is just hot air.So i am asking which organisation is working according to you.

Do try and read correctly, and most importantly understand, the post you're replying to. Now there's a good chap!

Here, I'll post it for you again.

Other than to vent hot air, does BRICS as an organisation serve any practical purpose?

Notice it says "other than" as opposed to "just"?

 

[Slog]

What is?

Highlighting these terrorist groups and calling them as such

 

[PakLFC]

Given that terrorists from LeT killed 164 in the Mumbai attack, I think India does give a damn even if Pakistan doesn't.

India is responsible for killing many Pakistanis through their agents in Afghanistan. We will continue to hunt them down as well. Caring about something does not mean you will achieve practical results.

 

[PakLFC]

Why would you as an average Joe support organizations like the Taliban and the Lashkar-E-Toiba and get all haughty when they are spoken down on in some random forum?

I would never oppose any condemnation of the Indian Mujahideen, say.

Where have I supported any terrorist organisation? I will however defend Pakistan whenever it is unfairly attacked. Yes, it is an obsolete and powerless organisation.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Do try and read correctly, and most importantly understand, the post you're replying to. Now there's a good chap!

Here, I'll post it for you again.

Notice it says "other than" as opposed to "just"?

Ok thanks for the correction.Now tell me which organisation does practical work according to you?

 

[Napa]

India is responsible for killing many Pakistanis through their agents in Afghanistan. We will continue to hunt them down as well. Caring about something does not mean you will achieve practical results.

Yes, yes! Finally someone understands the Afghan War with startling clarity. It is all about Indian agents killing Pakistanis.

 

[Moh@n]

Absolute idiocy from the Pak foreign office.

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[Yossarian]

Ok thanks for the correction.Now tell me which organisation does practical work according to you?

I'll write what I wrote previously:

Did I say any does?

 

[cricketjoshila]

I'll write what I wrote previously:

So basically you want to say that no organisation has done any practical work.

 

[Yossarian]

So basically you want to say that no organisation has done any practical work.

Now where did I say that?

 

[ToeCrusher2]

Other than to vent hot air, does BRICS as an organisation serve any practical purpose?

They opened a BRICS bank as an alternate international financial institution, thereby challenging the hegemony of US in International finance institution

 

[Yossarian]

[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION]
You keep replying to my original and subsequent posts by trying to attribute to me statements that I have not made. Any yet you've completely ignored the question originally posed:

Other than to vent hot air, does BRICS as an organisation serve any practical purpose?

 

[Yossarian]

They opened a BRICS bank as an alternate international financial institution, thereby challenging the hegemony of US in International finance institution

Thanks. At least you've provided an answer, as opposed to other posters who keep trying to attribute to me statements that I have not made.

 

[cricketjoshila]

[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION]
You keep replying to my original and subsequent posts by trying to attribute to me statements that I have not made. Any yet you've completely ignored the question originally posed:

I am asking yoy which organisation serves practical purposes so that i can understand with example about what do you mean by practical purposes.

 

[Yossarian]

I am asking yoy which organisation serves practical purposes so that i can understand with example about what do you mean by practical purposes.

Why bring other organisations into it? The thread is related to BRICS. The question is about BRICS. What does whether or not any other organisation serves a useful purpose have to do with whether or not BRICS serves a practical purpose?

 

[PakLFC]

Yes, yes! Finally someone understands the Afghan War with startling clarity. It is all about Indian agents killing Pakistanis.

Not all but India is partly responsible. Only Indian people see themselves as being Gandhi's angel's, no one else.

 

[Pakpak]

Chinese
ambassador has said no policy change towards Pakistan.