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It occurs to me that the Bury betrayer has helped Bodge cling on, as the Tories have closed ranks.
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Boris might then be safe for now, but this could all be a part of Starmer’s plan because the Tories will likely remain down in the polls versus Labour (whereas a new Tory leader would have given them a bounce)… up to 5 more Tory to Labour MP defections are also apparently on the cards.
Concur. Sunak or Truss might buoy the Tories up in the polls. But Bodge had burned through his political capital, like Thatcher did with the poll tax and Blair did with war and years of lads coming home in coffins. The red wall hates him now and many southern soft blues too. He’s also lost the farmers and the fishermen who have been betrayed by the thin Brexit deal and seen their revenue halve.
It’s in Starmer’s interest to keep him.
Thatcher was finished in the early 80s, if it wasn’t for the Falkands war then she wouldn’t have been reelected.
Blair’s lies and deceit may have cost innocent lives in the 2003 Iraq war, but he still won the next term.
Money is all that matters to the people.
Two MPs claim that the Tory whips threatened them with withdrawal of constituency funding if they don’t tie government line.
If so this is a police matter.
This is just how the whips behave. Not just Tory whips either. It’s a really poor reality, less of a police matter but more indicative of how our politics works on a cultural level.
I remember this period. She was helped by the SDP-Liberal Alluance splitting the left vote and the Labour Party going unilateralist with that suicide manifesto. But support for her had been firming up prior to that. She still had political capital to spend, which lasted until the poll tax riots.
Yes but with a 60 majority instead of the 150 he had prior. He’d lost his left support over Iraq. The centre took longer to turn against him but everyone seemed to hate him by 2006, and his own party pushed him into quitting. Political capital burned.
That’s quite cynical and I assure you that it’s not true. Not for all the people.
Some of us still believe in truth and honour.
Johnson has lost all of these.
Only some believe in truth and honour
They are the ones who will not vote for Johnson again. Well-off London and Home Counties types might prefer money to honour, but the North still holds decent behaviour to be important. Polls in the Red Wall put Labour 18 points ahead. Unless Tories remove the toxicity by changing leader.
As for money, people are seeing their food bills rise due to supply chain problems, so more working people will go hungry.
Electric bills have jumped and will rise further in April. More and more will be pushed below the poverty line and into food banks. Hard times are coming for more and more people..
British politics has essentially been chaotic throughout my lifetime, I can’t remember a moment when there wasn’t a scandal, conflict, secret plot, controversy, or otherwise messy situation of some kind going on. (or, several at the same time as one another.) Perhaps the “rosy” first couple of years of Blair, and that’s it.
The idea that BoJo’s admittedly rather train wreck style of governing is something new is not based in fact imo.
Still the majority of us are optimistic and confident Brexit will be a success, and as long as confidence and optimism outweighs the defeatest and persermist belief, then it's all good.
The truth is that the neoliberal pro-Remain political class and the institutions lost, and the votes of ordinary people ultimately won the day (as they always rightly should have done — lest we forget that this was needlessly thrown into doubt for a while by a cluster of very rich and very bad losers in public life).
I have mixed feelings on the UK being outside of the EU, there is some good about it and some less good, but the deal is done now and it was the democratic choice of the citizens to leave, so let’s now move on as one nation & try and make the best of it.
The truth is that the neoliberal pro-Remain political class and the institutions lost, and the votes of ordinary people ultimately won the day (as they always rightly should have done — lest we forget that this was needlessly thrown into doubt for a while by a cluster of very rich and very bad losers in public life).
I have mixed feelings on the UK being outside of the EU, there is some good about it and some less good, but the deal is done now and it was the democratic choice of the citizens to leave, so let’s now move on as one nation & try and make the best of it.
Indeed, this is the right mentality. We voted out, this means out. No cherry picking. Screw the SM, screw the free borders. We voted out. Democracy must prevail if we are to stand as the beacon of civilisations.
I didn’t vote for a coalition, but I still hoped for unity between 2010-2015, and was optimistic our country would through.
2012 Olympics was a clear sign that a nation can unite and bring positivity, albeit for 4 weeks, we still did it.
But no, the LDs, Labour, MSM are just acting like muppets, selfish to the core. Desperate for power.
Tomorrow Boris could be gone, Keith Starmer will still behave as an opposition; for the votes, he has no policies. Zero. And if he becomes PM, the opposition will do the same; pick bones and faults instead of uniting as a nation.
Maybe we do need a war, a war that’ll unite us all on the basis of what is common.
Bring on the blitz!?
Uh, yeah they do, Labour have policies. Fuel benefits for the poorest, for instance, announced at the Despatch Box. Otherwise:
https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/labour-party-conference-2021-announcements-policy-climate-crime-education-1222508
The duty of HM Opposition is to oppose HM Government, hold their toes to the fire.
Loads more Labour policies: https://labour.org.uk/policy-guide-2019/policy-guide-at-a-glance/
Remarkable as a member of the LDs you are promoting Labour. The hate for Boris/Tories must be strong.
There was a time when politicans may not have been honest, but were loyal.
Point of note, many of the Labour policies cited stemmed from Corbyn.
Proof the MSM brainwashing is strong.
<b>Jamie Wallis MP comes out as trans and speaks of rape ordeal</b>
Politicians have praised a Welsh MP for his bravery after he tweeted he has gender dysphoria and has been a victim of rape and blackmail.
Jamie Wallis, who was elected in 2019, is the first MP to come out as trans.
The Conservative MP for Bridgend said a man sent pictures to his family and demanded £50,000 in 2020. He said he was raped in a separate incident.
Mr Wallis wrote that after he was raped "things have taken a tumble. I am not ok."
The MP confirmed that he fled the scene of a car crash two months after he was raped.
Both Prime Minister Boris Johnson and the leader of the opposition Sir Keir Starmer acknowledged Mr Wallis' statement in the Commons.
With Mr Wallis looking on from the backbenches, Mr Johnson said: "the House stands with you and will give you the support you need to live freely as yourself".
Mr Wallis was arrested last year on suspicion of driving while unfit, following an incident where a car hit a lamppost at Church Road in Llanblethian, Vale of Glamorgan.
"When I crashed my car on the 28th November I fled the scene. I did so because I was terrified," he wrote.
The MP said he suffered with post traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) and "I honestly have no idea what I was doing except I was overcome by an overwhelming sense of fear".
"I am sorry that it appears I 'ran away' but this isn't how it happened in the moment," he said.
South Wales Police said the matter is still under investigation.
In the Twitter statement posted early Wednesday morning, Mr Wallis said: "I've been diagnosed with gender dysphoria and I've felt this way since I was a very young child.
"I had no intention of ever sharing this with you. I always imagined I would leave politics well before I ever said this out loud.
"There was a close call in April 2020 when someone blackmailed me, outed me to my father and sent photographs to other family members.
"He wanted £50,000 to keep quiet. The police were so supportive, so understanding and on this occasion the system worked."
The MP said the man pleaded guilty and was sentenced to two years and nine months prison.
"For a while it seemed as though I would be able to get on with things and move on. Being an MP and hiding something like this was always going to be tough, but I arrogantly assumed I was up for it.
"Well, I'm not."
The MP praised Tory party whips: "As far as I've seen they try their best to support and help MPs who are having a tough time.
"Well they've certainly earned their keep with me."
He said the dinner with Tory MPs on Tuesday evening reminded him "of the incredible support those you work with can provide".
"I was reminded how important it is to be yourself. I have never lived my truth and I'm not sure how. Perhaps it starts with telling everyone."
Later he said he was "overwhelmed by the kindness and support I have received".
"I am proud to be completely open and honest about the struggles I have had, and continue to have, with my identity. However, I remain the same person I was yesterday. For the time being, I will continue to present as I always have and will use he/him/his pronouns."
Tory party chairman Oliver Dowden said:
"Proud of my colleague Jamie Wallis.
"As a Conservative family we stand together, and we will support you.
"I hope that your brave statement will help others."
Mike Freer, the Minister for Equalities, acknowledged the "enormously personal" statement in the Commons."I hope I speak for the whole house in sending our support, it is so important that people are free and safe to be themselves whoever they are and whoever they love", he said.
Labour MP Wes Streeting said: "Sending you love and solidarity from the other side of the Commons. This is hugely courageous of you to share."
Plaid Cymru Commons leader Liz Saville Roberts said: "This is an extraordinarily brave message to send out, Jamie. Whatever our politics, public life is unremitting and often merciless. Great respect for your personal courage."
Former MP and chancellor George Osborne said "we comment on the things that have got worse in politics, but many things have got better", tweeting that "if a Tory MP had said this when I was first elected 20 years ago they would have been hounded not applauded and supported".
The LGBTQ charity Stonewall said it was sending "solidarity" and "love" to Mr Wallis, calling his decision to come out "brave".
"It's clear [he] has been through very painful recent experiences, and coming out in the public eye will be liberating, but also profoundly stressful," said CEO Nancy Kelley.
"We've been heartened to see support from across the LGBTQ+ community and across the political spectrum."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-60925885
Neil Parish has now resigned as an MP.
After thoroughly dishonouring himself and his family — this is the now honourable thing to do.
“He said the first time was accidental after looking at a tractor website, but the second time - in the House of Commons - was deliberate.”
Deary me.
"Radical" reform is needed to working practices in the Commons, the Speaker of the House has urged, following a series of bullying and sexual misconduct claims against MPs.
Sir Lindsay Hoyle's call for urgent action comes as Conservative MP Neil Parish resigned from his post after admitting to watching pornography in a "moment of madness" in the Commons on two occasions.
SKY
There will be no Conservative MPs left by the next time we all vote in 2024.
Will likely end up with a fragile Labor+ Lib Dems + Greens coalition. Also expecting more than one referendum, starting with the Scots.
The allegations span seven years ! How on earth was this person able to stay put for so long ?
As our very own resident raver (for once) rightly mentioned, there is a real feel of every man for themselves at the moment in the country.
The Conservative parties aren't ruthless capitalists.
They are inefficient crony capitalists. Just like the socialists, they are also engaged in a class struggle and their aim is to achieve maximum benefit for a small group of middle/upper class Britons.
The cronyism and sleaze at the height of Covid should have been enough to sink them into oblivion. However, the fact that our media is very much a part of the establishment means they were excused.
Notice that most criticism of the Tories in the right wing media centres around criticism of behaviour such as the parties or sexual impropriety and not about economic mismanagement..
Nadeem Ahmed, Tory candidate in the Wakefield by-election says he regrets voting for Brexit and all his friends do too.
He says the Brexit campaign was built on lies, and resulted in a rise in assaults on people of his skin colour.
Somewhat off-message and a further embarrassment for Johnson….
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...jofnxJiMsS6Lby0A1vBj8WQV6Nxytzpsan7bAapt1-RXI
Nadeem Ahmed, Tory candidate in the Wakefield by-election says he regrets voting for Brexit and all his friends do too.
He says the Brexit campaign was built on lies, and resulted in a rise in assaults on people of his skin colour.
Somewhat off-message and a further embarrassment for Johnson….
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...jofnxJiMsS6Lby0A1vBj8WQV6Nxytzpsan7bAapt1-RXI
It is slightly embarrassing to an extent — but let’s apply a bit of local perspective to The Independent’s limited window into this situation.
The candidate’s comments are from 2016. Three years later (a timescale during which opinions can again change) Wakefield voted the Tories in decisively on a pro-Leave ticket. The local Conservative association, of which Nadeem Ahmed is a prominent long-standing member and an established Councillor, actively campaigned for this outcome and he was knocking on doors with colleagues all over Wakefield to promote Brexit. He’s reasonably well known around here, for this and for other reasons.
So I guess on one hand there are his (alleged) words, which in a newspaper article from 6 years ago could have been misquoted or taken out of context — and then there are his actions.
This story then, whilst of moderate interest, in some ways is neither here nor there on this occasion.
Labour are going to retake the seat around here on 23/06 regardless, because the “loaned out” Leave vote has now served its purpose for Wakefield and the constituency is back to hating the Tories again as per tradition.
It is slightly embarrassing to an extent — but let’s apply a bit of local perspective to The Independent’s limited window into this situation.
The candidate’s comments are from 2016. Three years later (a timescale during which opinions can again change) Wakefield voted the Tories in decisively on a pro-Leave ticket. The local Conservative association, of which Nadeem Ahmed is a prominent long-standing member and an established Councillor, actively campaigned for this outcome and he was knocking on doors with colleagues all over Wakefield to promote Brexit. He’s reasonably well known around here, for this and for other reasons.
So I guess on one hand there are his (alleged) words, which in a newspaper article from 6 years ago could have been misquoted or taken out of context — and then there are his actions.
This story then, whilst of moderate interest, in some ways is neither here nor there on this occasion.
Labour are going to retake the seat around here on 23/06 regardless, because the “loaned out” Leave vote has now served its purpose for Wakefield and the constituency is back to hating the Tories again as per tradition.
So you think this story will have no effect on the outcome?
Attitudes to Brexit still dominate party policy. Sir Keir has to win the Red Wall back and is treading lightly on Brexit. Sir Ed is focusing on the Remainerish Home Counties, but still wants to make gain in the Leaverish South West. Scotland is probably dead to both parties - the Nats will advance further at the next GE and I expect IndyRef2 to split the Union eventually.
No this story won’t have any impact on the outcome. Nadeem is a councillor in Sandal & Abrigg which is rural/affluent outer Wakefield, he is popular there. Other areas where the Tories do well are Horbury and Ossett on the west side, which are more middle class and socially conservative regions than central Wakefield.
On 23/06 Conservative voters will vote Conservative (polling about 30% for this one) and Labour have a larger natural vote share in other parts of Wakefield, so with the “Get Brexit Done” emotion taken out of the equation and also it being smaller scale away from a General Election, Labour will retake the seat with 45%ish.
2019 was only different with the big swing in the vote because of the unique circumstances around a pending/possible Brexit. Mary Creagh was also hated locally.
Mary Creagh was in the Shadow Cabinet wasn't she ? What were the reasons for her being hated locally ?
Wakefield is Leave territory, the notion of Brexit is still strongly backed throughout the city and in its surrounding towns.