British Politics: the Mega-Thread

[Donal Cozzie]

Looks like we are lurching towards the Brexit cliff edge - unless the EU can offer May something better re the Irish border.

Zero chance. This weeks fiasco just further reinforces why a cast-iron NI backstop is absolutely necessary.

May, Davis, Johnson et al have successfully voted to scrap a backstop, that they spent two entire years negotiating.

Its gone beyond parody now and just into straight up insanity.

 

[Robert]

Zero chance. This weeks fiasco just further reinforces why a cast-iron NI backstop is absolutely necessary.

May, Davis, Johnson et al have successfully voted to scrap a backstop, that they spent two entire years negotiating.

Its gone beyond parody now and just into straight up insanity.

[MENTION=136108]Donal Cozzie[/MENTION] I am so sorry about this. The average English person has no understanding or just doesn’t care. I feel sick and furious and powerless.

I wonder if my Da’s Ulster birth will qualify me for an Irish passport.

 

[Donal Cozzie]

[MENTION=136108]Donal Cozzie[/MENTION] I am so sorry about this. The average English person has no understanding or just doesn’t care. I feel sick and furious and powerless.

I wonder if my Da’s Ulster birth will qualify me for an Irish passport.

You have nothing to apologise for.

Also,I think yes. Not an expert mind.

 

[James]

[MENTION=136108]Donal Cozzie[/MENTION]I wonder if my Da’s Ulster birth will qualify me for an Irish passport.

Yes, definitely. Get cracking with it.

 

[Markhor]

The Labour split has finally happened, 7 MPs have decided to form "The Independent Group".

However as we saw with the SDP in the 1980s, new parties are doomed under FPTP.

 

[Robert]

The Labour split has finally happened, 7 MPs have decided to form "The Independent Group".

However as we saw with the SDP in the 1980s, new parties are doomed under FPTP.

SDP-Liberals would have formed a government had it not been for the Falklands factor. Tories were hated and Labour wrote the suicide note manifesto.

Anyhoo.

I don’t see this as a new party but as a group of MPs working with the Lib Dems and Tory rebels against hard Brexit.

What happens when election time rolls round will be interesting. I presume the Independent Group MPs must have taken local CLP activists with them.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Looks like Anna Soubry, Heidi Allen and Sarah Woolaston are about to quit the Tory party.

 

[Robert]

Joan Ryan, MP for Enfield North has quit Labour and joined TIG, citing institutional antisemitism.

I expect more will follow.

 

[Robert]

Looks like Anna Soubry, Heidi Allen and Sarah Woolaston are about to quit the Tory party.

Just announced.

I am surprised that Dominic Grieve hasn’t jumped ship too.

 

[Robert]

There are now eighteen independent MPs in the Commons.

 

[Robert]

Nineteen now as Ian Austin quits the Labour Party, citing antisemitism.

Though he is for Brexit and will not join the Tiggers.

 

[the Great Khan]

Joan Ryan, MP for Enfield North has quit Labour and joined TIG, citing institutional antisemitism.

I expect more will follow.

Good riddance as this Zionist was a known to have agreed to take money from the isreali embassy to conspire against Corbyn.

The TIG is a joke. Angela smith comes across as an old racist busy body that used to live down the street . We know the type that used to tell us off for laying football near her door or soemthing, and then saying words like " since you lot came over". Etc.

then we have Austin another card carrying zionist. (I see a pattern here). Gapes a war monger, leslie a tory practically in all but name and finally Chuka who called the working class "trash".

if they are such big proponents of a peoples vote why dont they stand up in by elections? becasue they would get wiped out within a week...

 

[Robert]

Expected better that character assassination and conspiracy theory from you [MENTION=253]the Great Khan[/MENTION].

In your place I would be saddened - as I was when one of my party’s MPs resigned the whip recently- and consider why lifelong Labour people find it necessary to quit their party. How has it become so hostile to them?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Expected better that character assassination and conspiracy theory from you [MENTION=253]the Great Khan[/MENTION].

In your place I would be saddened - as I was when one of my party’s MPs resigned the whip recently- and consider why lifelong Labour people find it necessary to quit their party. How has it become so hostile to them?

I advise you watch the Al-Jazeera undercover report. Joan Ryan like a few other Labour MPs have sold thier soul to Israel.

One must be a complete idiot to believe Corbyn is anti-semitic. Israel will do anything to make sure he doesn't get into power.

I know this may be a shock to you Robert. You dont live in a real democracy, outsiders control who is your government and which people run the country, only those who will bend the knee to Zionism will be successful.

 

[James]

The treatment of Luciana Berger by Corbynistas on Twitter has been literally insane for months now - if you search for her name or look underneath any of her posts it is literally a projectile vomit stream of antisemitism, racism, sexism, victimisation, conspiracy theory and general abuse.

 

[Robert]

I advise you watch the Al-Jazeera undercover report. Joan Ryan like a few other Labour MPs have sold thier soul to Israel.

One must be a complete idiot to believe Corbyn is anti-semitic. Israel will do anything to make sure he doesn't get into power.

I know this may be a shock to you Robert. You dont live in a real democracy, outsiders control who is your government and which people run the country, only those who will bend the knee to Zionism will be successful.

I don’t think he is anti-Semitic either, but he has signally failed to excise this cancer within Labour.

Not shocked, just dismissive of the idea. I am far more concerned about the corrosive effect of Russian oligarch money on some British politicians and democratic processes.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I don’t think he is anti-Semitic either, but he has signally failed to excise this cancer within Labour.

Not shocked, just dismissive of the idea. I am far more concerned about the corrosive effect of Russian oligarch money on some British politicians and democratic processes.

Maybe I missed it but have not come across any real antisemitic statements from Labour MPs. Criticising Israel is an act of dignity not anti -anything.

 

[Robert]

Maybe I missed it but have not come across any real antisemitic statements from Labour MPs. Criticising Israel is an act of dignity not anti -anything.

The antisemitism is directed at certain Labour MPs from within Labour CLPs and wider membership. Have a look at Luciana Berger’s Twitter feed and you will see what I mean.

 

[the Great Khan]

Expected better that character assassination and conspiracy theory from you [MENTION=253]the Great Khan[/MENTION].

In your place I would be saddened - as I was when one of my party’s MPs resigned the whip recently- and consider why lifelong Labour people find it necessary to quit their party. How has it become so hostile to them?

Joan Ryan was asked a direct question abut the rights of Palestinians in that same documentary on aljazzeera. I suggest you watch it. She is an anti Palestinians pro Isreal MP who was caught on camera agreeing to take money to for Israel. If you think thats ok, imagine how you would be jumping up and down if an MP took money on camera for Russia or a Muslim country.

The fact is this anti semitism issue has been inflated and weaponised to such and extent that even criticising Israel a certain way is deemed anti semitic. You cant even say Zionism is racism anymore.

Luciana berger was elected three time in wavertree. How hav they all suddenly become anti semitic? just because they criticised her objection to Corbyn?

Muslims are literally dieing on the streets in the UK, victims of hate and racisnm, diane abbot is targetted more athan any mp including luciana yet she fights on. Yet nothing from you and yours.

simply becasue Muslims are mostly BME's and do is Diane. Luciana could probably walk through a white neighbourhood anonymously without anyone really bothering her. Try walking past a bunch of chavs as a BME and see what happens. You live in some mythical st georges's little england where the plucky english have fought to save the world from Sauron. Well this isnt a tolkien novel. And the English arent the good guys..

 

[Robert]

Joan Ryan was asked a direct question abut the rights of Palestinians in that same documentary on aljazzeera. I suggest you watch it. She is an anti Palestinians pro Isreal MP who was caught on camera agreeing to take money to for Israel. If you think thats ok, imagine how you would be jumping up and down if an MP took money on camera for Russia or a Muslim country.

The fact is this anti semitism issue has been inflated and weaponised to such and extent that even criticising Israel a certain way is deemed anti semitic. You cant even say Zionism is racism anymore.

Luciana berger was elected three time in wavertree. How hav they all suddenly become anti semitic? just because they criticised her objection to Corbyn?

Muslims are literally dieing on the streets in the UK, victims of hate and racisnm, diane abbot is targetted more athan any mp including luciana yet she fights on. Yet nothing from you and yours.

simply becasue Muslims are mostly BME's and do is Diane. Luciana could probably walk through a white neighbourhood anonymously without anyone really bothering her. Try walking past a bunch of chavs as a BME and see what happens. You live in some mythical st georges's little england where the plucky english have fought to save the world from Sauron. Well this isnt a tolkien novel. And the English arent the good guys..

Why the disrespect [MENTION=253]the Great Khan[/MENTION]? I’m married to a BAME woman and have BAME kids so I have skin in this game.

I don’t live in England FYI. I don’t consider myself English either. Your Tolkien analogy might work for ERG-UKIP enthnostatists but you know I have no truck with them.

If Ryan took money from a foreign state that is bad. I know many Tories have taken money from Russian oligarchs. Corbyn took money from the Iranian state broadcaster. All bad, all corrosive of liberal democracy.

Berger has been the victim of racism from within Labour ever since the huge influx of £3 members. Read her Twitter feed.

If said ‘chavs’ - a disrespectful term and inaccurate in this case because not all white working class are racists - knew she is Jewish then out would come the gas chamber comments.

What you seem to be saying is that because people who are visibly BAME are discrimated against then antiSemitism is ok. Every type of discrimination is equally bad as Corbyn has said.

BTW, Corbyn voted 500 times against every Labour leader since Kinnock and plotted against dear old Smith, and yet his CLP didn’t try to deselect him. The Labour Party was once a tolerant broad church with Tony Benn at one end and Alan Milburn at the other, but centrists no longer seem welcome, hence TIG.

 

[Robert]

You have nothing to apologise for.

Also,I think yes. Not an expert mind.

[MENTION=136108]Donal Cozzie[/MENTION] - any truth in the story that the Irish Govt is offering €4M loans at 4% interest to encourage firms to stockpile imports, that every warehouse on the island of Ireland is filling up?

 

[Markhor]

Sounds like May might delay Article 50.

 

[Robert]

[MENTION=253]the Great Khan[/MENTION]

Jon Lansman on BBCR4 today on anti-semitism in the Labour party: "I do think we do have a major problem and it always seems to me that we underestimate the scale of it. It think it is a widespread problem. We have a much larger number of people with hardcore anti-semitic opinions."

 

[Robert]

Sounds like May might delay Article 50.

In which case do we elect new MEPs?

 

[the Great Khan]

Why the disrespect [MENTION=253]the Great Khan[/MENTION]? I’m married to a BAME woman and have BAME kids so I have skin in this game.

I don’t live in England FYI. I don’t consider myself English either. Your Tolkien analogy might work for ERG-UKIP enthnostatists but you know I have no truck with them.

If Ryan took money from a foreign state that is bad. I know many Tories have taken money from Russian oligarchs. Corbyn took money from the Iranian state broadcaster. All bad, all corrosive of liberal democracy.

Berger has been the victim of racism from within Labour ever since the huge influx of £3 members. Read her Twitter feed.

If said ‘chavs’ - a disrespectful term and inaccurate in this case because not all white working class are racists - knew she is Jewish then out would come the gas chamber comments.

What you seem to be saying is that because people who are visibly BAME are discrimated against then antiSemitism is ok. Every type of discrimination is equally bad as Corbyn has said.

BTW, Corbyn voted 500 times against every Labour leader since Kinnock and plotted against dear old Smith, and yet his CLP didn’t try to deselect him. The Labour Party was once a tolerant broad church with Tony Benn at one end and Alan Milburn at the other, but centrists no longer seem welcome, hence TIG.

I emant no disrestect, howevere Im sick of watching Muslims get kileld on teh streets or attacked and not a peep from anyone. Nothing about islamaphobia nothing. yet we have this weaponised anti semtitism row. Stats show Muslims are the most villified religious minority in the UK. Yet we have TIG. The biggest bunch of useless turncoats Ive ever seen. what are their policies? oh erm something about something..erm..

Im sick of it. Im sick of the whole media discourse, sick of the racism just plain had enough. So my fuse when it comes to these things is now so short, that I just wont tolerate any garbage anymore.

After the shamima begum fiasco I'm already convinced that the UK is no longer a long term home for my family. It is no longer a welcome home. We have become a small nation full of small minded bigots. Im tired of it. Every day I see homeless people on the streets, and all we hear is anti semitism. I watch palestinian six year olds get punched in the face but anti semitism. Its just another way to marginalise black voices by shouting anti semitism and then silencing them.

Anti semitism is vile. our Prohept PBUH was a semite. The shariah is the only law that makes it an obligation for us to protect the Jewish people. it is a sunnah and religious duty for us. It is a sin if we dont. So before anyone shouts anti semitism at a Muslim critic of isreal they should understand this.

All im saying is the anti semitism row is insincere. they dont really care as long as they can remove Corbyn. Just because he supports Palestine. Yes there are nutjobs who hate the Jewish people. But the row is artificially engineered for nefarious purposes while ignoring real claims of racism. Anyone who thinks Corbyn is a racist is either nuts or has an agenda.

 

[Robert]

[MENTION=253]the Great Khan[/MENTION],

I don’t think Corbyn has an antisemitic bone in his body but some of his followers seem to. At last the Labour Party seems to listened and have geared up with more staff to take tougher action and expel the bad apples.

I agree with you about the Begum case and am close to despair at the ugly nativism which Cameron’s misbegotten Referendum has unleashed.

During the Blair/Brown years I thought UK society was getting better but since 2010 we seem on course for something very wrong.

 

[Donal Cozzie]

[MENTION=136108]Donal Cozzie[/MENTION] - any truth in the story that the Irish Govt is offering €4M loans at 4% interest to encourage firms to stockpile imports, that every warehouse on the island of Ireland is filling up?

I have no idea on the first bit about the loan. I am aware that the Govt is offering firms loans to diversify their customer base and basically market extensively overseas to potentially mitigate the loss of UK custom.

I have also heard that apparently finding warehouse space is proving nigh impossible as, naturally, everyone particularly in the border is preparing for a worst case outcome.

I'm just your average Joe though, not in the know

 

[Robert]

According to the latest YouGov poll, an election tomorrow would see Labour collapse to 133 seats with TIG on 78. Tories and SNP would tear lumps out of Labour too, with slight gains for the Lib Dems.

 

[Donal Cozzie]

So the British SoS in NI, in the Commons today, with trials over Bloody Sunday in the news lately where 14 innocent, unarmed civilians were shot dead, described the British Army murders during the troubles as

"The fewer than 10% that were at the hands of the military and police were not crimes.

"They were people acting under orders and acting under instruction and fulfilling their duties in a dignified and appropriate way."

The remarks come a week before the Public Prosecution Service in Northern Ireland is due to tell relatives of 14 civilians shot dead by soldiers on Bloody Sunday in Derry in January 1972 whether any of the killers will face charges.

An absolute disgrace. Under the leash of the DUP of course. At best this is appalling ignorance, at worst intentional public interference in an ongoing legal case.

Spitting on the graves of those killed and, again, another slap to the face of the Nationalist community.

The past three years make a return to Stormont extremely unlikely in the near future. She should be made resign, absolutely outrageous comments that again in Ireland are met with incredulity and disbelief over the current UK Government.

 

[Markhor]

Genius from Private Eye.
[MENTION=133760]Abdullah719[/MENTION] can the title be updated to 2019 ? Thanks

 

[Robert]

So the British SoS in NI, in the Commons today, with trials over Bloody Sunday in the news lately where 14 innocent, unarmed civilians were shot dead, described the British Army murders during the troubles as

An absolute disgrace. Under the leash of the DUP of course. At best this is appalling ignorance, at worst intentional public interference in an ongoing legal case.

Spitting on the graves of those killed and, again, another slap to the face of the Nationalist community.

The past three years make a return to Stormont extremely unlikely in the near future. She should be made resign, absolutely outrageous comments that again in Ireland are met with incredulity and disbelief over the current UK Government.

This would be a resignation issue if there was honour or even an expectation of basic competence left in this British government.

 

[Markhor]

Here we go again - another meaningful vote will take place tonight.

If it fails then surely we're heading for another GE ?

 

[the Great Khan]

So the British SoS in NI, in the Commons today, with trials over Bloody Sunday in the news lately where 14 innocent, unarmed civilians were shot dead, described the British Army murders during the troubles as



An absolute disgrace. Under the leash of the DUP of course. At best this is appalling ignorance, at worst intentional public interference in an ongoing legal case.

Spitting on the graves of those killed and, again, another slap to the face of the Nationalist community.

The past three years make a return to Stormont extremely unlikely in the near future. She should be made resign, absolutely outrageous comments that again in Ireland are met with incredulity and disbelief over the current UK Government.

a united Ireland just got closer. One of my best mates is northern irish and he describes the DUP as the christian version of ISIS..in their beliefs..

 

[James]

ERG and DUP both stick the middle finger up at May’s Deal again. Vote all but lost. Government all but over.

 

[Robert]

Here we go again - another meaningful vote will take place tonight.

If it fails then surely we're heading for another GE ?

It won’t fix anything, there will be another hung Parliament.

No Deal will be defeated tomorrow. Then May will have to ask for an extension of A50. Each of the EU27 will have to agree to that, but we must hold EuroParl elections too! A second referendum is the only way out of the trap. This time with clear and well stated options.

 

[Donal Cozzie]

a united Ireland just got closer. One of my best mates is northern irish and he describes the DUP as the christian version of ISIS..in their beliefs..

Thats probably an insult to ISIS.

We're talking about a political party who have left NI without government for over two years due to bilingual signage.

BILINGUAL SIGNAGE.

The backstop is bad because it treated NI differently, but the No Deal plans published today described by Nigel Dodds as "sensible" TREAT NI DIFFERENTLY

Any wonder their former leader Peter Robinson said they had "the strategic vision of lemmings".....

 

[Donal Cozzie]

What I'm reading in various sources is that Hard Brexiteers amongst the Tory's have been lobbying Silvano in Italy and the Polish Government to veto any request by the UK Government to extend Article 50 which, remember, requires unanimous approval by all EU member states.

I genuinely think No Deal is now a likelihood. All it needs is for one EU state to my knowledge to reject an extension and the UK will now crash out.

Its absolute madness that two years have come and gone with the EU, from Day 1, having to repeat the same things endlessly because the UK negotiaters are too thick to understand absolutely basic stuff.

 

[the Great Khan]

What I'm reading in various sources is that Hard Brexiteers amongst the Tory's have been lobbying Silvano in Italy and the Polish Government to veto any request by the UK Government to extend Article 50 which, remember, requires unanimous approval by all EU member states.

I genuinely think No Deal is now a likelihood. All it needs is for one EU state to my knowledge to reject an extension and the UK will now crash out.

Its absolute madness that two years have come and gone with the EU, from Day 1, having to repeat the same things endlessly because the UK negotiaters are too thick to understand absolutely basic stuff.

There is another way. The revocation of article 50 until the modalities can be worked out. It can be sold as staying as we are until things can be sorted out. Brexit is a stupid idea and at the same time the UK cant leave without major economic damage.

Unfortunately the right wing have taken over the uk government and we have realised how thick the british public really are..

 

[Gabbar Singh]

It’s incredible that the Tories are still ahead in the opinion polls given their recent performance.

Personally I’d like to see parliament extend article 50 for a year or two, May to step down, the Tories to elect a new leader and then a general election called where all parties can clearly put forward their Brexit views and plans.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Westminster voting intention:<br><br>CON: 41% (+1)<br>LAB: 31% (-4)<br>LDEM: 8% (-2)<br>GRN: 6% (+2)<br>UKIP: 6% (+3)<br><br>via <a href="https://twitter.com/KantarPublic?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@KantarPublic</a>, 07 - 11 Mar<br>Chgs. w/ 11 Feb</p>— Britain Elects (@britainelects) <a href="https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1105807724527435776?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 13, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="de" dir="ltr">Westminster voting intention (ft. TIG):<br><br>CON: 36% (-2)<br>LAB: 34% (-3)<br>LDEM: 8% (-2)<br>TIG: 8% (+8)<br>UKIP: 6% (-)<br>GRN: 3% (-)<br><br>via <a href="https://twitter.com/ComRes?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ComRes</a></p>— Britain Elects (@britainelects) <a href="https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1104696040425443328?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 10, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Westminster voting intention:<br><br>CON: 40% (+3)<br>LAB: 34% (-3)<br>LDEM: 9% (+1)<br>UKIP: 7% (-)<br>GRN: 3% (-)<br><br>via <a href="https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@OpiniumResearch</a>, 26 Feb - 01 Mar<br>Chgs. w/ 15 Feb</p>— Britain Elects (@britainelects) <a href="https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1102145272082300928?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 3, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[James]

Corbyn just doesn’t have enough appeal or credibility outside of his core supporter base to be consistently ahead of the Tories in the polls. I don’t know if he has ever been ahead for more than a week at a time.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Corbyn just doesn’t have enough appeal or credibility outside of his core supporter base to be consistently ahead of the Tories in the polls. I don’t know if he has ever been ahead for more than a week at a time.

That’s true. A general election would solve that problem - either he becomes PM or he loses for the second time in a row in which case his position would be untenable and Labour would be forced to elect a new leader.

Although to be honest even without an election I think his position will come under pressure soon - the likes of Tom Watson are already making their moves.

 

[Technics 1210]

Corbyn just doesn’t have enough appeal or credibility outside of his core supporter base to be consistently ahead of the Tories in the polls. I don’t know if he has ever been ahead for more than a week at a time.

If Corbyn didn't take No-Deal off the table, he'd be leading the polls by now. He has essentially ignored the Labour voters who voted Leave.

 

[Markhor]

So the British SoS in NI, in the Commons today, with trials over Bloody Sunday in the news lately where 14 innocent, unarmed civilians were shot dead, described the British Army murders during the troubles as



An absolute disgrace. Under the leash of the DUP of course. At best this is appalling ignorance, at worst intentional public interference in an ongoing legal case.

Spitting on the graves of those killed and, again, another slap to the face of the Nationalist community.

The past three years make a return to Stormont extremely unlikely in the near future. She should be made resign, absolutely outrageous comments that again in Ireland are met with incredulity and disbelief over the current UK Government.

a united Ireland just got closer. One of my best mates is northern irish and he describes the DUP as the christian version of ISIS..in their beliefs..

Apparently the Government are going to fully fund the legal expenses of the soldier who'll be put on trial for the Bloody Sunday murders.

Why ?

The Parachute Regiment stationed in Derry on that day should've all been hanged for executing unarmed innocents in broad daylight. They belong in the same cells as Yorkshire Ripper and other serial killers.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Corbyn just doesn’t have enough appeal or credibility outside of his core supporter base to be consistently ahead of the Tories in the polls. I don’t know if he has ever been ahead for more than a week at a time.

I think he'd have a lot more appeal with a more neutral media. The big guns are all extremely hostile and his image has taken a battering from day one. Initially he was presented as a loony Trotskyist, now he's been tagged as an anti-semite on an almost daily basis just to drive the message home. I don't think it's possible for a truly socialist govt to win elections these days, there is no backing from any influential media house.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

a united Ireland just got closer. One of my best mates is northern irish and he describes the DUP as the christian version of ISIS..in their beliefs..

Regardless of Brexit demographics will ensure we see a united Ireland soon enough - the Catholics will be in a majority amongst the general population in NI in a handful of years and then Catholics will outnumber Protestants among the electorate in a few more years.

The Good Friday Agreement has provisions on the form of a future referendum on a united Ireland too - there's nothing anyone can do to stop it. The break up of the United Kingdom inevitable.

 

[Donal Cozzie]

Apparently the Government are going to fully fund the legal expenses of the soldier who'll be put on trial for the Bloody Sunday murders.

Why ?

The Parachute Regiment stationed in Derry on that day should've all been hanged for executing unarmed innocents in broad daylight. They belong in the same cells as Yorkshire Ripper and other serial killers.

Yet all walk away bar one scot free. UK political atmosphere re: these cases has been disgusting, no other word.

Despite military worship with every fibre of my being. Everyone involved that massacre should be banged up till the end of their days. Hope every one of those soldiers lives in fear of a knock on the door.

 

[ElRaja]

i like how meaningless meaningful votes are!

in other news....

 

[Robert]

Apparently the Government are going to fully fund the legal expenses of the soldier who'll be put on trial for the Bloody Sunday murders.

Why ?

Because they put him there.

A dreadful decision to use crack troops for demonstration control. A sledgehammer to crack a nut. The Paras are extremely aggressive - trained to jump into hostile territory and hold bridges against the SS Panzer Division, not a street barricade against civilians throwing stones.

 

[Markhor]

Tusk has basically told the Commons to cut the crap.

If you want your Article 50 extension, it's either May's deal or no deal.

 

[Robert]

Corbyn has just stomped out if the PM’s emergency meeting because Umunna was there.

All the party leaders agreed to back May’s deal if she allows People’s Vote.

Except Corbyn who stomped out because Umunna was there.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

How the hell has she made it this far lol?

 

[Technics 1210]

How the hell has she made it this far lol?

Corbyn. He is the single reason why May is still in power.

 

[Robert]

How the hell has she made it this far lol?

Nobody else wants to take the poisoned chalice of Brexit.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Local elections day in England and Wales - will be fun to watch the Tory MPs appear on tv tomorrow making excuses for and spinning the defeat they've just had at the polls.

 

[Robert]

Local elections day in England and Wales - will be fun to watch the Tory MPs appear on tv tomorrow making excuses for and spinning the defeat they've just had at the polls.

Polls suggest Labour holding or gaining ground, LD surge, and Tory and UKIP collapses.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LocalElections2019?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LocalElections2019</a> so far:<br><br> Main parties hit by <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Brexit?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Brexit</a> backlash<br> Lib Dems make gains<br> Greens & independents do well<br> More counts start 0900<br><br> Text updates <a href="https://t.co/KjBEM4Aknh">https://t.co/KjBEM4Aknh</a><br> Results map <a href="https://t.co/NfflBhxMpy">https://t.co/NfflBhxMpy</a><br> Latest results <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LE2019?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LE2019</a> <a href="https://t.co/hBRxcUUyos">pic.twitter.com/hBRxcUUyos</a></p>— BBC Politics (@BBCPolitics) <a href="https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1124178876157038597?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 3, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Robert]

Polls suggest Labour holding or gaining ground, LD surge, and Tory and UKIP collapses.

Blimey, Labour are losing ground too. Many of their voters are switching to LD or Green in protest against their Brexit position.

LDs already +280 with half the Councils yet to declare. Back to where they were pre-Coalition.

 

[James]

Local elections day in England and Wales - will be fun to watch the Tory MPs appear on tv tomorrow making excuses for and spinning the defeat they've just had at the polls.

If anything the Tories have never been sanguine about this election. None of them were talking up their chances.

It’s Labour who should have done well and who will be hilariously scrambling for excuses today. Voter ID, rain, mainstream media, Israel, etc.

Lib Dems have aced this. Wow.

 

[IMMY69]

Looks like a protest vote against the two big parties against the handling of Brexit...
Not sure if anything else can be read into this??

 

[Markhor]

Well done to the Liberal Democrats, I voted Labour but I want progressive parties to be strong.

Much of their gains seems to be in their traditional heartlands in the southwest or in the shires.

Still more results to come in.

 

[James]

Looks like a protest vote against the two big parties against the handling of Brexit...
Not sure if anything else can be read into this??

It’s either that, or more people are switching to Remain.

The two possible narratives - and I am sure there will be believers in both.

 

[IMMY69]

It’s either that, or more people are switching to Remain.

The two possible narratives - and I am sure there will be believers in both.

Yes and the tabloids are spinning it as a revolt against delaying Brexit which may be the case in some Boroughs but the fact that the Lib Dems have gained so many councillors gives me hope that more people are switching to Remain.

 

[Robert]

If anything the Tories have never been sanguine about this election. None of them were talking up their chances.

It’s Labour who should have done well and who will be hilariously scrambling for excuses today. Voter ID, rain, mainstream media, Israel, etc.

Lib Dems have aced this. Wow.

I think it’s a tale of two regions.

The Tory shield wall has largely held against the Labour assault in the North, but in the South has disintegrated under the Yellow and Green Dothraki charge.

Down where I am in the SW, LDs and Greens had pacts not to stand against each other in some wards.

Could be that the London commuter belt is showing a desire to Remain, which the North is expressing disgust at the Government’s botched Brexit.

 

[Robert]

Yes and the tabloids are spinning it as a revolt against delaying Brexit which may be the case in some Boroughs but the fact that the Lib Dems have gained so many councillors gives me hope that more people are switching to Remain.

Traditionally the Libs have been the party of nonconformist protest so it could just be two fingers stuck up at the two big parties. The LDs stopped being nonconformist in Coalition and got slaughtered in 2015, but perhaps the Tory taint is wearing off them at last.

 

[Technics 1210]

The LDs and Green party gain Councillors?

Nothing but a protest vote.

MEP elections will be telling though.

 

[Robert]

Never mind the Dothraki charge, Tories have been nuked by dragon fire. They have lost 750 wards and 27 Councils

Labour down 100, Kippers down 100, LDs up by 450, Greens up by 100.

A triumph for Sir Vince Cable, who can step down in the knowledge of a job well done.

 

[Technics 1210]

Yes and the tabloids are spinning it as a revolt against delaying Brexit which may be the case in some Boroughs but the fact that the Lib Dems have gained so many councillors gives me hope that more people are switching to Remain.

I wouldn't get your hopes up too much.

LDs promised a second referendum in their 2017 manifesto, and were nearly wiped out.

People are not voting for LD because they want to remain, but more so through attrition.

The gains will be short lived.

 

[Robert]

I wouldn't get your hopes up too much.

LDs promised a second referendum in their 2017 manifesto, and were nearly wiped out.

People are not voting for LD because they want to remain, but more so through attrition.

The gains will be short lived.

Actually went from 8 to 12 MPs despite Farron’s mishandling of the sin thing, and because a ton of youngsters thought Labour was for Remain.

40% of Councils still to declare so plenty more Councils for the Tories to lose today... they are distancing themselves from the PM...

 

[Robert]

Layla Moran could be the one to take the LDs forward. Sir Vince is academically brilliant but comes across as an old cold pale male.

Telegenic, warm, Palestinian, female, untainted by Tory coalition.....

 

[Robert]

Tories passing -800 wards, LDs at +475, officially their best ever local Election Day with power to add.

 

[Robert]

Fifty councils still to declare out of 250.

Having been at one of these counts I can tell you it takes flippin’ ages as every elected Councillor gets up to speak.

I am really enjoying today!

 

[James]

Tories about to hit a thousand losses. Humiliating!

Good also to see another near-wipeout of UKIP.

555 new Lib councillors, 143 new Greens, 460 new Independents. Wow!

 

[Robert]

So far 1200 Tories lose their wards, 600 LDs gain. This is beyond my expectations.

 

[the Great Khan]

So far 1200 Tories lose their wards, 600 LDs gain. This is beyond my expectations.

and means diddly squat..the country is a broken mess full of thick people who don't know anything about their own politics but pretend as if they do..in two weeks time Nigel the racist farage will win seats in the european election with his stupid party adn the news channels with have another load of tosh to talk about.

as for the LD's. Just another all white racist bunch of undiverse losers who will lie and pretend..

Brexit the biggest act of stupidity by any single nation makes a mockery of the british education system. I mean the country is simply full of thick morons. How can you be so stupid when your govt has provided you with a free education, free libraries and free health?

Sorry but I'm done..I have no faith in the British electorate..a mass of educated illiterates, racists, imperialists, living in a state of denial..These results mean nothing. You will still have austerity, cuts, homelessness..but lets talk about stupid bloody Brexit..

 

[Robert]

as for the LD's. Just another all white racist bunch of undiverse losers who will lie and pretend.

I know a lot of LDs. They are all very kind, educated respectful people who want the nation to be better for all.

Their weakness is that they are too nice and too trusting of ruthless people. They need a tough character like Paddy Ashdown to lead them. He would never have allied with the Tories.

 

[Technics 1210]

I know a lot of LDs. They are all very kind, educated respectful people who want the nation to be better for all.

Their weakness is that they are too nice and too trusting of ruthless people. They need a tough character like Paddy Ashdown to lead them. He would never have allied with the Tories.

I mostly agree with what you have said, however it was not Paddy, but Nick Clegg that got them into power in 2010, and without a coalition the time, Clegg would not have been deputy PM. As for Vince Cable right now, is just too old as leader, demonstrating there is no charismatic/young leader in the LD party which doesn't really appeal to the young voters.

Though saying this, Nick's tenure has set back LDs for at least a few decades because he reneged on his Student fees promise.

The issue with LDs is they are simply too left, no long term leader, to the extent, extreme left. If LDs move towards the centre, they could make strides in the next GE.

 

[Robert]

I mostly agree with what you have said, however it was not Paddy, but Nick Clegg that got them into power in 2010, and without a coalition the time, Clegg would not have been deputy PM. As for Vince Cable right now, is just too old as leader, demonstrating there is no charismatic/young leader in the LD party which doesn't really appeal to the young voters.

Though saying this, Nick's tenure has set back LDs for at least a few decades because he reneged on his Student fees promise.

The issue with LDs is they are simply too left, no long term leader, to the extent, extreme left. If LDs move towards the centre, they could make strides in the next GE.

Sir Vince will step down this month. Jo Swinson is probably front-runner to succeed him but keep an eye on Layla Moran.

Move to the centre? Under Clegg they were centre-right, now centre-left again like under Ashdown and Kennedy.

 

[the Great Khan]

Sir Vince will step down this month. Jo Swinson is probably front-runner to succeed him but keep an eye on Layla Moran.

Move to the centre? Under Clegg they were centre-right, now centre-left again like under Ashdown and Kennedy.

they will do nothing at the GE..maybe get back 11 seats..they are an utter irrelevance and once brexit is done with they will return to irrelevance..

 

[Robert]

they will do nothing at the GE..maybe get back 11 seats..they are an utter irrelevance and once brexit is done with they will return to irrelevance..

Heading for 25 seats at current polling. Look what the DUP managed with just ten MPs, and another hung Parliament is likely.

I would not call 2600 Councillors and ninety Lords an utter irrelevance. That’s a lot of local government.

 

[Technics 1210]

Sir Vince will step down this month. Jo Swinson is probably front-runner to succeed him but keep an eye on Layla Moran.

Move to the centre? Under Clegg they were centre-right, now centre-left again like under Ashdown and Kennedy.

LDs have one shot, one message, 2nd referendum. This is their only play. Fact is 17.5 Million will not vote for LDs, and even if the the entire remain side vote for LDs, it's still not enough when you consider those eligible to vote in a GE.