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Bumrah's career is more than just a World T20.
Proves my point. Thanks very much Nishan Kumar.
100x is obviously hyperbole but nearly everyone agrees wasim was more skilful than McGrath.
But as you said McGrath is considered greater. Which comes back to my point that skills aren’t the be all and end all! You need to seal the deal!
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Uhh....no they do not.
Yes but a lot of the recent chest thumping has been after that.
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Wasim was a brilliant bowler.
A genius, really.
But you cant say with a serious face that he was better than McGrath.
No matter how good you are, at the end of the day, its the performance (wicket column) that counts.
Mcgrath did it relentlessly and over a generation without any problems.He hand players picked he would target in Tests and inevitably won over them with skill and mind.
Mcgrath is criminally underrated on this forum because people think bowling 6 balls in the same spot at a reasonable pace is a simple job.
However, no one has been able to do it for 10 years like McGrath with a great average.
If Wasim was better, he would have bowled his team to victory more often in SENA and would have upstaged Mcgrath.
However, reality is quite different.
In a Pakistani world, sure you can call Wasim better than Mcgrath because of his green uniform.
But in alternative world, where neutrality comes into the picture, Mcgrath was a shade above Wasim and results prove it.
A genius, really.
But you cant say with a serious face that he was better than McGrath.
No matter how good you are, at the end of the day, its the performance (wicket column) that counts.
Mcgrath did it relentlessly and over a generation without any problems.He hand players picked he would target in Tests and inevitably won over them with skill and mind.
Mcgrath is criminally underrated on this forum because people think bowling 6 balls in the same spot at a reasonable pace is a simple job.
However, no one has been able to do it for 10 years like McGrath with a great average.
If Wasim was better, he would have bowled his team to victory more often in SENA and would have upstaged Mcgrath.
However, reality is quite different.
In a Pakistani world, sure you can call Wasim better than Mcgrath because of his green uniform.
But in alternative world, where neutrality comes into the picture, Mcgrath was a shade above Wasim and results prove it.
Yea whatever you say mate. Start a new thread to discuss
Uff bro please read what I said. I was having a discussion with Buffet about skills.
My point was Wasim had better skills but didn’t seal the deal and as a result McGrath someone with inferior skills was greater.
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There is a difference between having a good world-cup and a tournament defining performances.
What Bumrah did was the latter.
People mention about Imran khan because he won the WC92, Kapil dev for WC83 but also for their legendary performances.
And T20 WC24 will be remembered for Bumrah.
Chest thumping is something done for mediocre performances. Bumrah doesnt need that. Pak-Passion has several threads on how India won due to Bumrah and that is coming from Pak fans.
What really triggered for me personally was that, you posted comparing Bumrah to Waqar was an insult. I mean, the guy was having stats better than Waqar. One can argue about longevity, but the level of contempt in that comparison from you is not valid logically.
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For me it's hard to quantify skills.
It basically is a cop out if someone doesn't perform to the ability as you think he should e.g. Muhammad Asif.
But I am okay if someone can define skills of one bowler vs another and have a thread on it.
More embarrassing than losing to USA or losing a test series at home to Bangladesh??
He doesn’t have better stats than Waqar. Check waqar’s record after 36 tests.
It’s not only an insult to Waqar, it is an insult to all ATG bowlers (Waqar, Wasim, Marshall, McGrath, Steyn, Imran) for Bumrah to be mentioned as an ATG at this juncture. You have the right to be triggered, but I have the right not to care about your feelings.
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It's mostly a case of understanding how even test cricket has changed in last 20 years to what it was before. Nowadays, you will always find disparity in home and away record of most top pacers around the world. For example, Anderson averages 29 away from home. Even the very best Dale Steyn averaged 24 away from home. Cummins and Rabada are averaging 26-27 away from home. Bumrah with similar away sample is averaging 21-22 away from home.
Hence,if we look at his impact away from home, it is simply phenomenal compared to his contemporaries. Now at home, he will not likely play vs the likes of Bangladesh or Windies but you will see him feature vs the likes of Australia or England and occasionally other teams too. He averaged 17 with bowl in the recent England series with 19 wickets. The count of wickets tally may not be very high but there is no lack of sheer impact and performance vs top teams in case of Bumrah.
Additionally, being an all formats versatile bowler, he strengthens his case even more because the likes of Cummins/Rabada are barely great in ODIs or T20s. Neither were Anderson or Steyn.
Averaging 17 in one of your best series is nothing special. It’s your best series that bring your overall average and strike rates down.
I’m not belittling what he’s done, I’m just giving you a reality check.
19 wickets over 5 tests is good, but it’s not earth shattering. In 1994 Waqar took 18 wickets in a 3 test series vs NZ. It was considered almost as a failure, people were saying oh he seems to be slipping, maybe he’s not 100% fit! 1996 Waqar took 16 wickets in 3 tests vs England. People were saying good performance, but he is nowhere near the level he was years ago and he’s on his last legs now. Levels bro.
It is expected from a bowler who is considered one of the world’s best.
This forum wasn’t around then so obviously no poster here said that.
But a lot of the sorry Indian fans at the time (boy they had a rough time in the 90s) did make that comparison.
Wasim himself said bumrah is better than him though. Waqar is Inferior to wasim.
Not everything is about longevity. Impact matters. Bumrah had much more impact va strong teams than waqar ever did. Waqar was bad vs australia and India. India being arch rivals even If they weren't a top side then
Not one of the world's best. He is the best lmao.
Not one of. One of would be rabada Cummins shami hazelwood etc.
Bumrah has played almost the same amount of away games as wasim and Waqar. Not far off. Already has had much higher impact overall.
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Bumrah is not better then Wasim not even close.
You could say Bumrah is more consistent as after injury he seems to be an even better bowler whereas pakistani pacers after injury are done cases and wasim later in his career was inferior to Bumrah however their isnt a single bowler better then wasim akram in his prime or when he's onsong in general.
Mcgrath and Garner are exceptions however mcgrath and Garner are lethal because they were capable of bowling the perfect line and length in the exact same area at the exact same pace for over 60 deliveires in odi and upto 27 to 30 overs in test, Which is insane.
Since even Bumrah and wasim and waqar would eventually give half volleys or loose deliveries or full tosses or half trackers, it's extremely difficult to bowl the right areas 24/7 like those 2 did.
But wasim akram in prime has deliveries which are beyond stupid and nonsensical and he was able to do so without ball tampering in play. Literally one of his deliveires pitches outside the 3rd line and was going for a wide and it swung in all the way into offstump, like how on earth does one even play that?
This dude truly was the king of swing and the likes of prime steyn, Waqar or others would water their mouths at akram.
In the world cup they noticed that bumrah swing is significantly greater then all 3 pakistani pacers combined, but I guarantee you that's nothing compared to wasim.
No one could bowl those killer inswingers, outswingers, and a ridiculously lethal reverse swing like he could.
Bumrah does not compare by any metric, Bumrah can only be appreciated for longetivity and consistency but he is far far away from the likes of mcgrath, Garner, Wasim.
Bumrah vs Waqar younis is debatable though.
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Bumrah is actually harder to hit than Wasim and Mcgrath. I have seen all of them bowl and Bumrah gives far less hit me balls.
Here is WC 20+ wickets sorted by ER. It should be immediately noticeable how far Bummrah stands out compared to peers in ER. Equivalent of not giving hit me balls will be Ambrose in 90s. He was much harder to hit than Mcgrath and Wasim. His ER stood out agaisnt peers just like BUmrah ER stands out agasint peers.
Forget about Bumrah standing out agasint his peers. Just direct comparison will do the job.
Wasim debuted in mid 80s and McGrath debuted in mid 90s ( 200-220 score was good score in 50 overs) and these two have 3.96 and 4.04 ER. Bumrah played WC in era when 350 scores are good one and yet his ER is 4.23. Imagine being so close in ER when teams are scoring 100-150 runs extra.
Anyone , who has watched all three, can clearly say that Bumrah is hardest bowler to hit. If not watched then it's not that hard to see in data. Bumrah is equally hard as Ambrose with one imporvement. Ambrose did not pick up wickets quickly, but Bumrah picks up wickets quickly. Not just in ODI, Bumrah is not easy to hit in t20 as well.
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Brother I don't really care about stats. If stats were a key metric then Misbah would be superior to sanath jaysuria.
I've seen the 2. An onsong wasim akram >>>>>>>> Bumrah no contest.
However Bumrah is more consistently onsong and doesn't switch off as much as wasim
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Really? Jayasuriya has 28 ODI centuries, Misbah has 0. Jayasuriya has an SR of 91 in ODI's, Misbah has an SR of 73.
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You are not able to see misbah stats in context otherwise it will be clear that Misbah was not a good ODI batsman. Anyone with bit of sense will combine avg with ER, performacne agaisnt good teams etc and come to conclusion that Jaya was leagues above Misbah.
In short career, Bumrah has produced more match changing spells outside Asia than any other Asian bowlers. He is actually harder to hit than anyone else in limited overs. Stats with context simply proves that.
Having said that it does not make him a better bowler than Wasim right now because Wasim has longevity and he could use the new ball, old ball, swing, seam , reverse all that stuff which Bumrah does.
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Taking only avg in ODI as basis is not good way to compare two batsmen. That's stats without context.
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Your last line makes it harder to hit Bumrah on average. That's what stats are also showing. I was just making a point that he gives less freebies on average comapred to Wasim/McGrath.
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This part is fine. I'm fine with this argument, you've made your point
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You are one of the rare posters who could change the mind after listening to opposite arguments/evidence. Intelligent poeple are able to change opinion based on evidence.
It's huge thing, don't let that quality change. It helps a lot in life. I have seen you do it many times with other posters as well. Some posters argue for sake of argument.
This is just sad to read. Some of Bumrah's performances have led to PP fans losing their sanity.
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I mean, when someone has given enough evidence and justified it with solid arguments, their is no need for me to argue lol.
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Bumrah isn't better than Wasim. Not yet atleast.
Next 5 years will decide where Bumrah lands in the pantheon of great bowlers.
Next 5 years will decide where Bumrah lands in the pantheon of great bowlers.
Bumrah Cummins rabada all 3 are levels above waqar who I don't rate very highly due to poor performances vs australia and India. He padded his record in early 90s. Not to mention ball tampering and other things which I don't want to delve into.
I am ok with wasim being ahead of bumrah but I still feel at the end of their careers bumrah will be ahead. He has already helped india win plenty of tests and created more impact than wasim away from home particularly in sea countries and even at home. New Zealand is the one team he failed against away from home but he will get his chance to fix that. Wasim away in sena isn't all that impressive tbh.
And nobody compares to mcgrath. He is the man. The goat.
Bumrah is better than Ambrose too if he wins the wtc or helps india win away in England next time. Added bonus would be aus. He already whipped Aussies twice so job is done there.
No, nobody considers Akram to be more skillful except deluded pakistani fans.
Sachin would play Akram with his eyes closed. Not a surprise Akram never dismissed Sachin in 7-8 tests they played against each other. McGrath on the other hand was proper contest.
Akram never came close to taking his team to winning against the best test teams of his time, away. McGrath consistently did exactly that.
Bzzt! Wrong again. Most of chest thumping is on account of Bumrah being the architect of India's most famous tests and test series wins playing away - AUS, South Africa, England etc.
I don’t think you know what skill is
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Agreed
The chest thumping would have started after World Cup 2023. But eerrmmm there was that choke.
And now started again after t20. As I said, sam curran. Nuff said
And also bumrah is playing against batsmen with better attacking shots. Defensive technique is inferior now due to lack of match practice in tests but aggressive stroke players have far better attacking shots in the modern game.
And 90s batsmen can easily struggle in drs era. Drs has changed the game alot. It's harder for batsmen to take risks and not offer a shot.
Come on boi, you are probably not mentally developed enough to separate different formats. Perhaps lack the attention needed to appreciate red ball format?
Bumrah is a champion bowler in all formats but mostly because of what he has done in tests. Wasim was good enough to beat up the dull teams of his time like england and NZ but always came up short against AUS, Saffers and even Windies.
Now look up what Bumrah has achieved against the best teams of time already.
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Wrong.
Almost every batsman of 90s talks about the skills of the great Wasim Akram.
Ponting Kallis Dravid to name a few.
Sachin played Wasim in 1999, Wasim already had contracted diabetes which affected his stamina and was well past 30.
McGrath vs Tendulkar became a contest because Tendulkar developed the tennis elbow, affecting his batting.
In the first full series vs Australia with McGrath, in 1999 Tendulkar avgd 46.33.
In the next series in 2001 in India Tendulkar avgd 50 plus.
The 2005 test series in India is where Tendulkar struggled due to his injuries. The trouble had already started in 2004.
So this Tendulkar vs McGrath thing has a lot to do with external reasons than scricketing skills.
But Tendulkar averaged very well vs prime peak steyn. This was old Tendulkar. Maybe drs era helped. Lot of rubbish decisions went against him. I remember a few being given out even though ball hits his hip lol.
Would be interesting to see how good 90s players stats would be in modern era. Cause they can't over step like they uses to and get away. Can't get bs wickets from high bouncing balls. No biased umpiring etc.
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I think it will balance out. Bowlers used to not get some wickets as well earlier despite it's being plumb.
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Point is Wasim was highly rated by most 90s greats. He has made it to every world 11 of experts.
So what you wrote about Wasim Akram isn't true.
There is not point to your post. You just inserted yourself in a discussion without any rhyme or reason to sound self-important. Did you see me claim Wasim was not rated? I said Wasim is not rated as highly as McGrath who was a level or two above. Learn to read and comprehend before quoting someone.
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McGrath was the greatest matchwinner in the 90s. Yes he never got the same hype as Wasim Akram bcoz he was very montonous - just kept bowling that metronomic length & line all day & coaxed batters to play loose shots & get away. But whne its comes to effectiveness he was unparalleled
Check for urself - how many tests McGrath won for his country in overseas tests & then check how many Wasim Akram won. Its no comparison. McGrath wins hands down
Its like David Gower had that elegance & artistry with the bat but it was Alan Lamb & Graham Gooch who got the job done against the toughest teams like West Indies. Same with Wasim Akram - he looked beautiful with the ball but if u had to get the job done & win matches - it was McGrath
Check for urself - how many tests McGrath won for his country in overseas tests & then check how many Wasim Akram won. Its no comparison. McGrath wins hands down
Its like David Gower had that elegance & artistry with the bat but it was Alan Lamb & Graham Gooch who got the job done against the toughest teams like West Indies. Same with Wasim Akram - he looked beautiful with the ball but if u had to get the job done & win matches - it was McGrath
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Just like David Gower was very highly rated as a batter but Allan Lamb & Alan Border had much better records against West Indies and their fearsome pace attack
Wasim Akram had the aesthetics but McGrath was far more effective as a matchwinner
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Lol, is that why Waqar averaged 26 away from home? When Marshall, Ambrose, Hadlee and McGrath can average 21-22 away from home, why was Waqar's average below par? And this average is itself boosted by minnow bashing of weaker opponents.
Bumrah needs a bit more sample and he will surpass Imran and Waqar both. Quality matters over quantity and Bumrah's away performance is in a different league to those two. Wasim's away average is under 25 and only he is comparable to Bumrah among Asian pacers.
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Wasim Akram has a decent away average but he never won that many tests for Pakistan in SENA that Bumrah has allready done
Only McGrath won overseas test matches for his team so consistently and I have a feeling Bumrah will surpass him once he is done
On the other hand, I am BIG on longevity. Not just in terms of number of tests but also years. And for that reason alone, I am absolutely fine with those who say that Bumrah needs to at least reach 300 wickets before he can be rated ahead of those names from Pakistan.
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As of the greatest left arm fast bowler of all time no one eclipses Wasim.
Bumrah will get there if he keeps at it.
Mcgrath is superior to Wasim by any objective metric.
Facts wont change just becaus people want them to.
Bumrah will get there if he keeps at it.
Mcgrath is superior to Wasim by any objective metric.
Facts wont change just becaus people want them to.
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Bumrah is already the GOAT for me, only Glenn Mcgrath comes close. India is truly blessed to have him.
Waqar averages more than that vs top sides of his era. It's more 32 vs sewai. That's pretty bad. Away from home. That's why I never rated him.
Wasim is around 27 vs sewai. Away from home.
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Aus, SA, WI and Ind were the toughest batting units in their home conditions during Wasim/Waqar era.
Wasim 5-fers in wins in Aus/SA/WI/Ind - ZERO
Waqar 5-fers in in in Aus/SA/WI/Ind - ZERO
McGrath 5-fers in win in SA/WI/Ind - 4 ( 3 was against WI but it came in 90s before WI declined. )
Bumrah 5-fers in win in Aus/SA/NZ/Eng(top 4 for his era) - 4
I some time feel that many posters are missing the fact that Bumrah had a huge impact in India winning agasint tough oppositions in their den.Based on Bumrah impact against tough oppostions in their den, if he does couple of more then 250+ test wickets puts him in top tier in entire history. Bumrah does not have ATG team backing him and he plays in era of 3 formats. I will take 250+ test wickets with a huge impact vs 350 test wickets with a much lower impact.
Also, Pakistan had a pretty good team when W & W played. Inzzy, Moyo, Saqlain etc in same team. I am not trying to put down W & W here. Just highlighting that it's extremely hard to take 5-fers in win in strong opposition's den. It was hard for even McGrath with ATG tram behind him.
This data point is not the start and end of everything. We have many random pacers taking 5-fers in win agaisnt strong teams in history, but those bowlers had very inferior career.
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That's actually worse than Anderson. It is an insult to compare him with Bumrah who is in a different tier to him.
Wasim is fine although that isn't top tier ATG level either. Give me Marshall, Hadlee, McGrath, Ambrose, Steyn over them.
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This I agree. U need 300 test wickets to qualify as a ATG
Problem here those Pakistani fans who say Bumrah needs 300 test wickets to be ATG will also say Shoaib Akhtar is ATG with just 170 odd wickets
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Some one will point out that 5-fers is not the only way to have impact. You can have 3-fers or 4-fers. Yes, that's correct.
Bumrah average in wins against top 4 in their den ( SA, Aus, NZ, Eng ) : 16
Polar opposite was Waqar.
Waqar's average in wins against top 4 in their den ( SA, Aus, WI, Ind ) : 30
We are watching a genius in Bumrah. We don't need a sample size of 350 test wickets to say that his skills are among the best in history. He can be clearly rated based on what he has done so far. Now where he stand among greats can be decided after he hangs up his boot, but he has achieved far more for his team than most do it in their entire career.
Bumrah average in wins against top 4 in their den ( SA, Aus, NZ, Eng ) : 16
Polar opposite was Waqar.
Waqar's average in wins against top 4 in their den ( SA, Aus, WI, Ind ) : 30
We are watching a genius in Bumrah. We don't need a sample size of 350 test wickets to say that his skills are among the best in history. He can be clearly rated based on what he has done so far. Now where he stand among greats can be decided after he hangs up his boot, but he has achieved far more for his team than most do it in their entire career.
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This is why I keep saying Wasim Akram ranks very high on the aesthetics part but he was nowhere close to McGrath as a matchwinner. Wasim Akram looked gorgeous when he bowled but McGrath always got the job done with amazing consistency. England won the 2005 Ashes solely bcoz McGrath was injured - both tests England won was bcoz McGrath was out with injury. U see the same with Bumrah now - he has that uncanny knack to get the job done under any circumstance
In fact what sets Bumrah apart is Bumrah gets it done in all formats , while McGrath was most effective in tests. In ODIs he sometimes struggled although he did win MVP at the 2007 ODI WC. Hence I believe Bumrah might surpass McGrath if he stays fit for another 4-5 years !
Pakistanis always keep talking about all format players - sometimes taking it to ridiculous levels like Babar is best " all format " batter. But if u really want to see what the best all format player looks like - it is Bumrah. Proven matchwinner in all formats.
Like David Gower had sublime artistry with his bat but he never delivered against the West Indies - unlike say Allan Lamb & Alan Border who lacked that elegance but stood tall against those fearsome West Indies pace attack
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No he was not
Most people dont realise how good McGrath bcoz he was not that youtube highlights bowler - unlike say Wasim Akram or Ambrose or Alan Donald. U never saw McGrtah bowing scary bouncers like AMbrose or bowling those big inswinging yorkers like Akram
But like I said nobody won matches so consistently as McGrath. It was not even a contest. No batter - Lara / Sachin / KP / Kallis could dominate McGrath. He had the wood on pretty much everyone
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Yes, Bumrah is a proven matchwinner in all formats and in all conditions.
I do used to tune up to watch Pakistani games just to see Wasim bowl, but I have never rated Wasim over McGrath. McGrath was a better bowler for me. Now Wasim actually had well rounded skills to bowl well in all formats and all conditions. That's not true for Waqar. Waqar was vastly inferior to Wasim when it comes to all conditions and all formats despite people lumping them together. Waqar was one trick pony.
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Nah, Ambrose was comfortably behind McGrath. Ambrose was unplayable in uneven bounce. He was relentless like Bumrah and very hard to hit.
Ambrose played very little cricket in Asia. I think 4-5 tests and no tests in India.
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Very few will say Shoaib is an ATG. He has an impact on the game for sure but not an ATG.
In test Pakistan has only produced Imran, Wasim and Waqar who are ATG.
India so far I think potentially Ashwin or may be Kumble.
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Yes. Ambrose made his reputation on dodgy pitches in the West Indies & that 1 memorable Perth test where the curator inexplicably prepared a trampoline pitch
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Nah. Neither Ashwin or Kumble qualifies as ATG. Both were hometown bullies
Bumrah will be the 1st bowler in that list from India
To my dear Indian fans. I don’t want to derail this thread. I can destroy all your arguments about Waqar very easily (I already have on other threads). Now like good little fans, please create another thread and I will review and respond to you.
Unfortunately, it’s difficult to trawl through every piece of fan mail, but I’ll try. Have hope
I am ok with wasim being the best as longevity would be factored into the equation. But if bumrah wins the wtc or helps india win an away series in England or draw and the same again in SA then there would be no questions about who would is better. He already has beaten Aussies twice. Aussies dint play bumrah in India and he is just as deadly in home conditions as he is away.
For me impact, fear factor and performances vs top teams away from home matters more. Yes home performances on those spin friendly pitches matter too. Sure. Has to be the complete package. Can't be a home bully or just a sena bully either.
Bumrah does well literally everywhere.
For me he has left behind waqar a year ago itself. Only wasim is ahead for now. From Asia.
Then there is the overseas greats which we will worry about later.
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Zaheer is an ATG by our standards.
Waqar shouldn't even be compared. It's wasim only from Asia.
Rest are like Ambrose steyn Marshall Garner and a couple more. Bumrah needs to get to 60 games ans that would be enough. Then we can compare.
Put bumrah on those treacherous pitches and he will average 14 to 15. Uneven bounce pitches is suicide vs bumrah. He will hit you with so many bouncers that would very likely either concuss you or force you to retire hurt.
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By Indian standards even Shami , Zaheer, Srinath & Ishant Sharma wud be ATG
Although I wud rate Shami slightly ahead of the pack. He is a borderline legend
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Nice way of running away as the going gets tougher and your favourite is getting exposed lol
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The Australia series is key for Shami. As of now, he has been excellent at home, SL, Windies and did well in bowling friendly conditions in South Africa. If he can turn around in Australia, he will become an Indian test great and not just be remembered as a good bowler.
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Also with all focus on McGrath , Ambrose, Waqar, Wasim Akram - we are ignoring Dale Steyn. He was closest to McGrath when it came to winning test matches in all conditions
The only pace bowler who bullied India in Indian conditions !
For me the 3 best test bowlers
1. McGrath
2. Dale Steyn
3 Bumrah
The only pace bowler who bullied India in Indian conditions !
For me the 3 best test bowlers
1. McGrath
2. Dale Steyn
3 Bumrah
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Waqar is the Ashish Nehra of Pakistan.
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But isn't it harder to bowl in Asia than it is in SENA?
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There are enough threads in PP proving how much overrated Waqar the bowler is. Many posters have come, created threads and destroyed the false hype behind Waqar's bowling which is boosted mainly by bashing minnow-ish batters and tailenders and giving his fans a reality check on how prone he is to getting exposed in big games. Ofcourse, you can continue to stay in your delusional world where all you want to know is that he is the best thing that happened to you
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You need different skill sets in Asia than in SENA. The weather conditions are more comforting in SENA for sure. Many players have better record in Asia than outside Asia.
Marshall was greater than all of them. He performed everywhere in every condition and every countryz
Yea I’ve destroyed you all in those threads. Have a read and educate yourself.
Now if you want an autograph let me know
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IMO, for a fast bowler, performances in India/Pak/SL should count for more than in SENA.
Claiming they are great just on the back of SENA performances is the same logic as anointing Ashwin as a legend for taking spin wickets in India.
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Bumrah is better than any Pakistan pacers ever produced bar Wasim Akram
Comparing Bumrah with trundler shaheen is insult to Bumrah .
Comparing Bumrah with trundler shaheen is insult to Bumrah .
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Nobody can be considered great just on back of SENA performance. Btw, are you referring to any specific player?
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