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Do you think there's any Indian bowler who can make it to the Pakistan lineup? Which is filled with match winner bowlers...
 
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ODI - Bumrah ( purely for death bowling)

Tests - Shami, Ashwin
 
I love this thread. I hate how we always ask the question, Can ..... Make it into the Indian Side? How many Indian bowlers can make it into the Pakistani Team? The answer is NONE. We have one of the best bowling sides of the past half-decade. We do not need any Indian bowlers as they are not good enough to be in the Pakistani Side
 
Bleedgreen4ever said:
1 year ago-YES and most of them would


CURRENT-NONE maybe Bumrah might replace Raees...
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Honestly the way Raees bowled against Lankans, Bumrah will never be picked ahead of Raees.

If I was a Pak fan, I would not want any Indian bowler at the moment. Every Pak bowler is bowling like an ATG.
 
Not in LOIs.

In Tests, Shami, Bhuvneshwar, Jadeja and Ashwin can all make it.
 
Madplayer said:
I dont think Raees is the one you would want to replace. He is cunning. Bumrah might replace Junaid.
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Amir, Hasan are automatic picks. Third pacer we have is between Raees/Junaid.

Bumrah can replace both atm, although Raees is not a bad bowler either
 
In tests, whole lot will be replaced by Indian bowlers in most of the matches.

Shami
Bhuvi
Ashwin
Jadeja
 
Pakistanis bowling is just too good right now. Hasan Ali and Mohammad Amir being irreplaceable with more than able support bowlers in Junaid, Raees and Usman. None of the Indian bowlers would make it into the ODI team. Not in Tests either.
 
No Indian bowler can even make our A team. Sorry if the truth hurts.
 
In ODIs, Bumrah is easily better than any Pakistani pacer minus Hasan and Amir. He walks into the team.

Kuldeep and Chahal are better Limited Overs spinners than Shadab and Imad. The latter two obviously bring more overall value to the team, but we are strictly talking about bowling here.

On the flip side, none of our bowlers get into their Test side, at least not on merit. Amir will probably get in based on the reputation that he enjoys in India.

The real difference at the moment is Hasan Ali, undoubtedly the best Limited Overs fast bowler around on current form. Amir has been nothing special barring a few ODIs, and utterly rubbish in Test cricket so far.
 
Baigel said:
I love this thread. I hate how we always ask the question, Can ..... Make it into the Indian Side? How many Indian bowlers can make it into the Pakistani Team? The answer is NONE. We have one of the best bowling sides of the past half-decade. We do not need any Indian bowlers as they are not good enough to be in the Pakistani Side
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yes ofcouse ur right,Jasprit bumrah is good enough to make it to 3rd spot in icc rankings in odi but not good to make it to pak team:yk.
leave ur bias aside bumrah will easily replace rumman in odis and t20s.
In tests whole lot will be replaced:yk:yk
 
Maybe Shami in tests but other than that, not really. Amir and Hassan are the best two pacers from Asia across formats. No one is getting in ahead of them. Then we have Junaid, Raees, Abbas and Riaz as the specialist third seamers for ODIs, T20s and tests, respectively, and I don't see anyone from India who is better.

Yasir is the best test spinner in the world, with Lyon second, so no Indian spinner is getting into our test team unless you want to play two spinners. Shadab is a class above in the LOI formats so it is the same story here.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
yes ofcouse ur right,Jasprit bumrah is good enough to make it to 3rd spot in icc rankings in odi but not good to make it to pak team:yk.
leave ur bias aside bumrah will easily replace rumman in odis and t20s.
In tests whole lot will be replaced:yk:yk
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We saw how good he was compared to our bowlers in the 2017 CT final. Overhyped newbie who's going to get exposed sooner rather than later, just like Bhuvneshwar Kumar. Junaid Khan and Rumman Raees are better LOI bowlers and he hasn't played a single test match yet so definitely not getting into the test team.
 
Bumrah in LO. Shami in tests and one of Ashwin or Jadeja in tests to partner Yasir.
 
Bilal7 said:
We saw how good he was compared to our bowlers in the 2017 CT final. Overhyped newbie who's going to get exposed sooner rather than later, just like Bhuvneshwar Kumar. Junaid Khan and Rumman Raees are better LOI bowlers and he hasn't played a single test match yet so definitely not getting into the test team.
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CT army is back😀😂..... May be you forgot 4th june when your bowlers were taken to the cleaners. if one match decides a player than remember 444. Hassan was prolific there. Bumrah is the best death over bowler in the world.In such a short career he has already won us many matches of his death bowling.
 
Bilal7 said:
Maybe Shami in tests but other than that, not really. Amir and Hassan are the best two pacers from Asia across formats. No one is getting in ahead of them. Then we have Junaid, Raees, Abbas and Riaz as the specialist third seamers for ODIs, T20s and tests, respectively, and I don't see anyone from India who is better.

Yasir is the best test spinner in the world, with Lyon second, so no Indian spinner is getting into our test team unless you want to play two spinners. Shadab is a class above in the LOI formats so it is the same story here.
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Ashwin>yasir.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Ashwin>yasir.
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False.

jeeteshssaxena said:
CT army is back😀😂..... May be you forgot 4th june when your bowlers were taken to the cleaners. if one match decides a player than remember 444. Hassan was prolific there. Bumrah is the best death over bowler in the world.In such a short career he has already won us many matches of his death bowling.
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Yes, because the CT was a head to head contest and there is no room for 'ifs' and 'buts' when analyzing it. The Indian bowlers got crushed, by an admittedly weaker batting lineup, and then the Pakistani bowlers destroyed a strong Indian batting lineup.

Who knows how many runs England would have piled up against India if they were the opposition and not Pakistan? 500? 600?

You can say whatever you want about Bumrah, but the fact of the matter is that he failed when it mattered and is not better than Hassan, Amir or Junaid.
 
Are we talking about Tests, ODIs or T20Is?
 
Mamoon said:
Kuldeep and Chahal are better Limited Overs spinners than Shadab and Imad. The latter two obviously bring more overall value to the team, but we are strictly talking about bowling here.
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Imad is mediocre but on what basis are they better than Shadab?
 
Shami would walk into our team with his eyes closed. I don't know about the spinners, really hard to judge given the conditions they have played in over the past couple of years. I'd rather have a leg-spinner in my side, even though he did get flayed all across the park in Australia last winter.
 
I don't see any in LOIs bar perhaps Bumrah as a 3rd seamer but even then its arguable as one may choose either Shinwari or Raees over him. Bar him, Indian bowlers would struggle to make it to the A team.

Jadeja can walk into the test team while the rest of the first string Indian test team have cases
 
Bumrah would walk into that 3rd pacer role over Junaid/Rumman.

He's 24 (younger than both Junaid and Rumman), accurate, and ideal for death bowling.
 
I think best idea to so simply check ranking of players to do a quick sanity check in all formats. Otherwise I have seen some one ranked 50-60 touted as better than some one ranked 15-20 based on 2-3 matches.
 
Buffet said:
I think best idea to so simply check ranking of players to do a quick sanity check in all formats. Otherwise I have seen some one ranked 50-60 touted as better than some one ranked 15-20 based on 2-3 matches.
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Lol Indian brothers love to use rankings when it suits them and dismiss them when it doesn’t.
 
babajee said:
Lol Indian brothers love to use rankings when it suits them and dismiss them when it doesn’t.
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You should use it for sanity check all the time to ignore ridiculous bias from all sides.
 
I think it will be hard to not accept that Mohammad Shami will walk into Pakistan test side. He has better record than all the pace bowlers from Pakistan in that format over the last 2 years. In ODI's Bumrah has done very well and is next only to Hassan from the subcontinent. Amir isn't better than anyone based on just one spell. He has a test average of 37, ODI average of 30 and the only format he has done well is T20 where he averages 24. Overall combined average of 32. Shami has a test average of 25 with 48 wickets, not counting his ODI and T20 records as he hasn't played many.

Bumrah on the other hand has a T20 average of 18 with better economy rate than Amir and an ODI average of 22 with a better economy rate than Amir. So not sure how Amir gets mentioned among best pacers in the world with such a mediocre performance over 50 games combining all three formats.
 
Bumrah. Best death bowler in the world.

Buvaneshwar Kumar and Mohommad Amir opening bowling partnership. They will get the ball singing Pavarotti with crazy swing
 
No one. Our bowling is the best in the world right now while seeing the age demographic that is currently playing I don't see anyone in the near future compete with our lot.

Of course, there are some that would say otherwise but on pure cricketing merit, None of the Indian bowlers can walk into the Pakistan team.
 
Buffet said:
I think best idea to so simply check ranking of players to do a quick sanity check in all formats. Otherwise I have seen some one ranked 50-60 touted as better than some one ranked 15-20 based on 2-3 matches.
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As per rankings Mohammad Hafeez was the best alrounder in the world for a while and that guy can't bat or ball. Rankings are the last thing that should be used to judge players.
 
todfod 11 said:
I think only ashwin can make it into pak team other then him i cant see anyone.
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Seriously? Please tell me one Pakistan test bowler better than Shami and Bhuvi over the last couple of years. In ODI I agree but again even there Bumrah will have a shot. In tests Mohammed Shami will easily make Pakistan test team.
 
Bilal7 said:
Maybe Shami in tests but other than that, not really. Amir and Hassan are the best two pacers from Asia across formats. No one is getting in ahead of them. Then we have Junaid, Raees, Abbas and Riaz as the specialist third seamers for ODIs, T20s and tests, respectively, and I don't see anyone from India who is better.

Yasir is the best test spinner in the world, with Lyon second, so no Indian spinner is getting into our test team unless you want to play two spinners. Shadab is a class above in the LOI formats so it is the same story here.
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Yet they got flogged by Lanka in UAE.

Yasir is ranked 15 even after playing in UAE.

In which world a bowler averaging 37 since his comeback is best in Asia? Amir falls behind Ishant and Yadav in test format. Shami and Bhuvi are well ahead of any Pakistani pacer.

In fact Amir is worst bowler from both teams.

Yasir Shah as best spinner? His average is close to Umesh Yadav's bowling average in last 2 years.

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Yes, if you are trying to go backwards then you can select Pakistani bowlers in tests.
 
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While whole Shami, Bhuvi, Ashwin and Jadeja will get into the test team, Bumrah and Chahal will easily find a place in ODI teams

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I think Indians are getting misguided by stats.

Cricket isn't played on a spreadsheet.

There is a certain X-factor that Pakistani bowlers have. Something that Indian bowlers never did and still don't have.
 
what is pakistan ranking in odi if someone confirm?? india also won match against pakistan in that champions trophy which pakistan won with fluke,if i am no wrong??
trolling krni hume b aati hi so hadd me rho
 
Btw if we are going by stats then Imad has the best economy rate among non-minnows in the last year. So no he is not mediocre. He is among the world's best when it comes to bowling defensively.
 
Rayyman said:
I think Indians are getting misguided by stats.

Cricket isn't played on a spreadsheet.

There is a certain X-factor that Pakistani bowlers have. Something that Indian bowlers never did and still don't have.
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Please educate us with the x-factor the Pakistani test bowling had in tests over the last couple of years. If you take out Yasir, Pakistan would have lost most of the Tests at home or away. Even in England the two games Pakistan won was because of yasir, what have the pacers done over the last couple of years?
 
AlizeeFan said:
Yet they got flogged by Lanka in UAE.

Yasir is ranked 15 even after playing in UAE.

In which world a bowler averaging 37 since his comeback is best in Asia? Amir falls behind Ishant and Yadav in test format. Shami and Bhuvi are well ahead of any Pakistani pacer.

In fact Amir is worst bowler from both teams.

Yasir Shah as best spinner? His average is close to Umesh Yadav's bowling average in last 2 years.

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Yes, if you are trying to go backwards then you can select Pakistani bowlers in tests.
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I wonder why the World's Best Batsman (Kohli) regards Amir as one of the best in the world. You seriously need to tell him about how wrong he is with these stats as proof.

On a serious note, can't believe people judge blindly on numbers rather than actual impact of a bowler in pressure situations. Wickets against ENG, AUS and NZ at HOME count for far less than match winning performances away. Anyways, you need a sane cricketing head to understand this sorta stuff and be man enough to respect the opposition but oh well, look at who am I explaining all this to? The same people who have pin drop silence in the crowd when their team loses a wicket.
 
Hadi Rizvi said:
I wonder why the World's Best Batsman (Kohli) regards Amir as one of the best in the world. You seriously need to tell him about how wrong he is with these stats as proof.

On a serious note, can't believe people judge blindly on numbers rather than actual impact of a bowler in pressure situations. Wickets against ENG, AUS and NZ at HOME count for far less than match winning performances away. Anyways, you need a sane cricketing head to understand this sorta stuff and be man enough to respect the opposition but oh well, look at who am I explaining all this to? The same people who have pin drop silence in the crowd when their team loses a wicket.
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Amir did not do anything in England when he visited last. His performances in NZ and Australia were also poor. Amir has bowled well against India in couple of games but overall his performances has not been good. Hasan Ali clearly the best bowler in ODI in Pakistan and in the world at the moment. Even Junaid Khan has out bowled Amir. I agree that Amir is very talented but if you don't translate those to performances for your team and have an average of 37 at a SR of 81, you are nowhere near the best. You are talking as if it is very easy to bowl in India and pick wickets against England/Australia and New Zealand. The Indian pitches offer nothing for the pacers, in spite of that Bhuvneshwar and Shami have done well.
 
Hadi Rizvi said:
I wonder why the World's Best Batsman (Kohli) regards Amir as one of the best in the world. You seriously need to tell him about how wrong he is with these stats as proof.

On a serious note, can't believe people judge blindly on numbers rather than actual impact of a bowler in pressure situations. Wickets against ENG, AUS and NZ at HOME count for far less than match winning performances away. Anyways, you need a sane cricketing head to understand this sorta stuff and be man enough to respect the opposition but oh well, look at who am I explaining all this to? The same people who have pin drop silence in the crowd when their team loses a wicket.
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You can ignore numbers only those are good enough, not when you're at the bottom of table.

One can argue that between a bowler averaging 23 and 26, one with avg of 26 can be better bowler, but there is no way that a bowler with worst average (37) can be better than others no matter what cricketing logic you apply to that.

Virat is yet to Amir in tests and he didn't say that he is best, he praised him and it was published as best he faced. PP picked him as best in world.
 
Rayyman said:
I think Indians are getting misguided by stats.

Cricket isn't played on a spreadsheet.

There is a certain X-factor that Pakistani bowlers have. Something that Indian bowlers never did and still don't have.
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Those numbers aren't written down on a spread sheet without a player actually performing accordingly on the field. Those numbers are a statistical representation of how a player has performed on the field. Those numbers aren't written down according to the whims and fancies of the fans. It's when fans can't argue against facts (statistically represented data), they look for other points like X-Factor, match winner (in their own wonderland).
 
giri26 said:
Please educate us with the x-factor the Pakistani test bowling had in tests over the last couple of years. If you take out Yasir, Pakistan would have lost most of the Tests at home or away. Even in England the two games Pakistan won was because of yasir, what have the pacers done over the last couple of years?
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Please educate yourself by reading my first post in this thread before jumping to conclusions.
 
Rayyman said:
Please educate yourself by reading my first post in this thread before jumping to conclusions.
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I don't need any education thanks. I watch a lot of cricket and I know what the Pakistan bowlers have done over the last couple of years. Mohammad Amir has done nothing over the last 2 years, this is a fact. Yes he bowled that one good spell in the CT finals, I give that to him. Yes he bowled that spell against India in Asia cup but that's about it. I cannot think of anything he has done besides that. Hasan Ali I agree, Yasir Shah I agree but Amir isn't anywhere close to being top bowler in the world. He is not even close. There are better bowlers in the world and all of them have done brilliantly. Please stop being hung up on one spell and look at the overall picture and educate yourself.
 
giri26 said:
I don't need any education thanks. I watch a lot of cricket and I know what the Pakistan bowlers have done over the last couple of years. Mohammad Amir has done nothing over the last 2 years, this is a fact. Yes he bowled that one good spell in the CT finals, I give that to him. Yes he bowled that spell against India in Asia cup but that's about it. I cannot think of anything he has done besides that. Hasan Ali I agree, Yasir Shah I agree but Amir isn't anywhere close to being top bowler in the world. He is not even close. There are better bowlers in the world and all of them have done brilliantly. Please stop being hung up on one spell and look at the overall picture and educate yourself.
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You would do well to take his advice and read his first post.

It will save you from further embarrassment.
 
Same old biased posters giving their biased views..

Depending on match conditions and type of match Bumrah, Ashwin, Jaddu, Shami, BK, Kuldeep can easily get in Pakistani Team without an issue..
 
babajee said:
Imad is mediocre but on what basis are they better than Shadab?
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Purely on bowling merit, the Indian duo are ahead of Shadab in my view, and more than just Limited Overs specialists.
 
Mamoon said:
Purely on bowling merit, the Indian duo are ahead of Shadab in my view, and more than just Limited Overs specialists.
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Chahal more than a limited overs specialist? what basis are you extrapolating that from?
 
giri26 said:
I don't need any education thanks. I watch a lot of cricket and I know what the Pakistan bowlers have done over the last couple of years. Mohammad Amir has done nothing over the last 2 years, this is a fact. Yes he bowled that one good spell in the CT finals, I give that to him. Yes he bowled that spell against India in Asia cup but that's about it. I cannot think of anything he has done besides that. Hasan Ali I agree, Yasir Shah I agree but Amir isn't anywhere close to being top bowler in the world. He is not even close. There are better bowlers in the world and all of them have done brilliantly. Please stop being hung up on one spell and look at the overall picture and educate yourself.
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Bro the funny thing is that Kohli would exchange any one of his players to have Amir in his team.
 
Hitman said:
Those numbers aren't written down on a spread sheet without a player actually performing accordingly on the field. Those numbers are a statistical representation of how a player has performed on the field. Those numbers aren't written down according to the whims and fancies of the fans. It's when fans can't argue against facts (statistically represented data), they look for other points like X-Factor, match winner (in their own wonderland).
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Ok

Babar Azam is better than Rohit and Dhawan

The stats say it.
 
Yes Pakistan ODI bowling has been very good off late. Best bowling attack on current form. Their test cricket bowling isn't great.

In cricket, you see bigger samples for a reason.

The arrogance exhibited by some is funny. :))

As usual, we will let time do the talking.
 
None of the Indian bowlers will find a place in the Pakistani squad regardless of any stats. Indian bowlers play, suited to how their batsmen play which is always contain. While the Pak bowlers play to take wickets and don't even look at what their batsmen do. Time and time again this can be seen. There is a certain X factor the Pak bowlers have that can't be explained . I rather have one hasan ali's over 20 of the best Indian bowlers. There is no alternate to Hasan Ali, Yasir Shah or Amir in the Indian side for someone there to come over to the Pak lineup..
 
None in ODI and T20.

I will take Shami in Test.

And if Test is being played at Asia, then definitely Ashwin.
 
Syed1 said:
As per rankings Mohammad Hafeez was the best alrounder in the world for a while and that guy can't bat or ball.
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He was extremely valuable player for Pakistan at that time and would have played for most teams.

Syed1 said:
Rankings are the last thing that should be used to judge players.
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It's the only objective way to judge player otherwise it's just random opinion often based on biased.

You have some PPers arguing for Babar to be outside of Indian ODI batting despite being high ranked and many here are making hilarious claims other way around. There is no objectiveness with such absurd claims. Ranking is not the start or the end of all, but it provides you some sanity check. I won't argue with anyone if you pick 8th best player vs 2nd best players, but when difference is like 40-50 then it's simply absurd. I haven't even looked at all rankings here, just making a general point.
 
giri26 said:
Seriously? Please tell me one Pakistan test bowler better than Shami and Bhuvi over the last couple of years. In ODI I agree but again even there Bumrah will have a shot. In tests Mohammed Shami will easily make Pakistan test team.
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Just because pakistan lost two test against sri lanka u think pakistan doesnt have bowlers???
Amir, Hasan are way better then shami and bhuvi. Pakistani boeling line is the best in the world and thats just not me but the experts says that.
 
In ODIs, Pk have a very good attack. Bumrah may make it else Pakistan would stick.

In Tests, in Asia Ashwin obviously does (alongside Yasir not in place). The pacers are equally bad. India soars on the back of 2 fine spinners in Asian conditions. Shami comes in for any of the Pk pacers.
 
No Indian bowler bar is Shami only for test as third seamer will make it to Pak team on current form, and maybe Ashwin as 2nd spinner in the Asia, and but We have all bases covered for LOIs and should play any three of these 5 in this order,

1_Amir
2_Hasaan
3_Shinwari
4_Rumnan
5_Junaid

And with Fahim as pace all rounder who can bowl 140 kph plus stuff this can be top 2 pace attack in next WC, only Australia with fit Starc, Hazelwood, Cummins, and Pattinson along with Mitch Marsh as fourth seamer can outdo us, and if batting of both team clicks I can see Pak vs Australia final in UK just like 1999, but just hope final have different result this time.

But for tests we have 2 sure startes in Amir and Hassan even though Amir hasn't been to his pre ban level in test and time is running out, and Hassan is also a newbie in Tests but has all ingredients other than tall height to be successful in test as well if he can keep up the good work, Abbas makes it as 3rd seamer based on current form but I am not sold on him, with his pace he will have to be M.Asif level good to retain his place and I don't think he can pull that off in long run on docile pitches vs top teams, Shinwari with his action can be very injury prone in tests but we can try him out in Wahab role as inforcer if his fitness permits in short sharp burst of 3 to 4 overs otherwise he is too valuable for LOI side to be forced to play tests and get injured, Rumman Raess could also be tried before being labeled as LOI specialist, he has increased his pace and can be very deceptive has great control as well. And JK if he can show good performance in FC can also be given a go if other options fail, and we badly need a tall and fast bowler like Shaheen Shah Afridi but he should first prove himself at least by playing next full FC season if not 2 more that he deserves a place and if he can make it big we will have one of the best attack for tests as well along with Fahim on Pace friendly pitches as fourth seamer, So do you guys agree with me, and [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] [MENTION=137148]Rayyman[/MENTION] [MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION] [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] [MENTION=140234]DRsohail[/MENTION] [MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] [MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION]
 
It depends on wicket - in broad line, if I take 4 types of wickets (1. AUS/SAF, 2. ENG/NZ, 3. WI/UAE/PAK, 4. IND/BD/SRL), probably this'll be my combined bowling picks, from where you should get the answer -

AUS/SAF
Test: Amir, Shami, Hasan, Wahab/Ashwin, Yasir (3.5/1.5)
ODI: Amir, Hasan, Bumrah, Shadab, Jadeja/Pandeya (3/2)

ENG/NZ
Test: Amir, BK, Hasan, Yasir, Pandeya/Ashwin (3/2)
ODI: Amir, BK, Hasan, Bumrah, Shadab (3/2)

WI/UAE/PAK
Test: Shami, Pandeya, Yasir, Ashwin, Jadeja (1/4)
ODI: Amir, Bumrah, Hasan, Shadab, Jadeja (3/2)

IND/BD/SRL
Test: Amir, BK/Hasan, Yasir, Ashwin, Jadeja(2.5/2.5)
ODI: Amir, Bumrah, Hasan, Shadab, Jadeja (3/2)

You can see that, I do believe UAE is the worst venue for PAK, which is bowling dominant team and those tracks are not suitable for it's attack (hence that 0-2 against SRL and 2-4 against this WI side). I picked Pandeya as 2nd pacers for his batting - on those wickets, don't think pacers has any role but to take the shine off; Shami can use a bit reverse, but 100 of 120 overs will be bowled by spinners there. Rest other venues, PAK attack is better, but obviously not to the level claimed in PP.

However, that's partially true for ODI batting also in other way - apart from top 3, and may be MS as WK-batsman, any other Indian batsman would struggle to make PAK ODI XI.
 
If Amir is the greatest bowler in the world based on a couple of great spells then Carlos Brathwaite is currently the best all rounder.

todfod 11 said:
Just because pakistan lost two test against sri lanka u think pakistan doesnt have bowlers???
Amir, Hasan are way better then shami and bhuvi. Pakistani boeling line is the best in the world and thats just not me but the experts says that.
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Pakistani bowling is world class on its day but losing 4 tests to Sri Lanka and West Indies within the space of the year is no fluke. Amir has done nothing of note in tests ever since his comeback. I would even argue that Wahab has more of an impact.
 
jaf348 said:
If Amir is the greatest bowler in the world based on a couple of great spells then Carlos Brathwaite is currently the best all rounder.



Pakistani bowling is world class on its day but losing 4 tests to Sri Lanka and West Indies within the space of the year is no fluke. Amir has done nothing of note in tests ever since his comeback. I would even argue that Wahab has more of an impact.
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If amir hasnt had much impact in tests it isnt because he hasent been bowling well its because the fielders havent been doing their job right,amir has done pretty well he has been bowling the right lengths and the right lengths you cant blame a bowler for not geting wickets if your fielders are doing a sloppy job
 
Humza_Razzaque said:
If amir hasnt had much impact in tests it isnt because he hasent been bowling well its because the fielders havent been doing their job right,amir has done pretty well he has been bowling the right lengths and the right lengths you cant blame a bowler for not geting wickets if your fielders are doing a sloppy job
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His bowling was completely innocuous in Aus. Yes he was economical but you expect your strike bowler to be a wicket taker. 5 wickets in 3 tests is a very poor return and you can't blame that all on dropped catches. He can be threatening in spells and certain conditions but not consistently enough over a 5 day test from what he has shown since his return.
 
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