Can any team ever replicate the Aussie dominance of 2000s?

[kron]

Claiming Mcgrath is the best bowler is different from claiming he was the biggest reason Australia won which isn't true by any metric.

Sachin would have had a nightmarish time chasing 359 even if he didn't get dismissed early, Even sehwag could only muster a run a ball against the entire aussie attack and their stupidly good God like fielding.

Sachin is good but their are limits to a human endeavour.

That aussie attack + their batting is freakishly strong, Add to that the crazy fielding ontop of it being a final? It's not easy brother.

You're talking about one man vs an entire atg hive wailing on you while you're dealing with cripples at the other end?

Every time sacchu who find overrated only performed vs australia when guess what ? When mcgrath dint play. Desert storm and all bs happened without mcgrath. Only time tint master could score. He gets bamboozled by mcgrath, donald. Even had trouble vs wasim mostly.

 

[mominsaigol]

Every time sacchu who find overrated only performed vs australia when guess what ? When mcgrath dint play. Desert storm and all bs happened without mcgrath. Only time tint master could score. He gets bamboozled by mcgrath, donald. Even had trouble vs wasim mostly.

Read my previous comment which you liked. I did not mention Sachin in that list.

But I did mention sehwag, Jaysuria, Sanga etc etc.

These guys are not halwa batsmen nor are they tuk tuk, They relish being explosive especially sehwag and jaysuria who are regarded as the people who changed the game for Asian openers.

If their struggling tooth and nail against every bowler then that means the bowling attack is good and isn't useless without mcgrath.

As for Sachin, brother you're comparing the greatest odi batsmen of all time to justify why the aussie bowling is crap without mcgrath?

Like bro, Obviously the greatest will only struggle against the greatest . Again I'm not saying mcgrath is inferior to these guys, he's obviously superior,

But jaysuria and sehwag are not halwa batters and the rest of the bowlers aren't getting bashed by these 2, their bowling equally tight lines.

Sehwag amd Jaysuria were undergoing hell even when mchrath was taken off for a good 5 to 6 overs.

 

[kron]

Read my previous comment which you liked. I did not mention Sachin in that list.

But I did mention sehwag, Jaysuria, Sanga etc etc.

These guys are not halwa batsmen nor are they tuk tuk, They relish being explosive especially sehwag and jaysuria who are regarded as the people who changed the game for Asian openers.

If their struggling tooth and nail against every bowler then that means the bowling attack is good and isn't useless without mcgrath.

As for Sachin, brother you're comparing the greatest odi batsmen of all time to justify why the aussie bowling is crap without mcgrath?

Like bro, Obviously the greatest will only struggle against the greatest . Again I'm not saying mcgrath is inferior to these guys, he's obviously superior,

But jaysuria and sehwag are not halwa batters and the rest of the bowlers aren't getting bashed by these 2, their bowling equally tight lines.

Sehwag amd Jaysuria were undergoing hell even when mchrath was taken off for a good 5 to 6 overs.

I just buy it hey. I have seen australia wilt without. Mcgrath. He makes a humongous difference.

Especially in tests. He does in odi too but in tests he makes an even greater impact. India managed to draw in Australia mainly cause mcgrath played. Whenever he played they couldn't win.

In all big tournaments mcgratj makes the difference. Take him out and I just can't see them winning the title. It's my opinion. I am not saying other batsmen or bowlers are crap but the key difference maker is mcgrath
Give mcgratj to any team and he will make them title contenders. Any top 6 side that is. He is that good. Cant say the same for other batsmen or bowlers in those Australian teams.

 

[kron]

Read my previous comment which you liked. I did not mention Sachin in that list.

But I did mention sehwag, Jaysuria, Sanga etc etc.

These guys are not halwa batsmen nor are they tuk tuk, They relish being explosive especially sehwag and jaysuria who are regarded as the people who changed the game for Asian openers.

If their struggling tooth and nail against every bowler then that means the bowling attack is good and isn't useless without mcgrath.

As for Sachin, brother you're comparing the greatest odi batsmen of all time to justify why the aussie bowling is crap without mcgrath?

Like bro, Obviously the greatest will only struggle against the greatest . Again I'm not saying mcgrath is inferior to these guys, he's obviously superior,

But jaysuria and sehwag are not halwa batters and the rest of the bowlers aren't getting bashed by these 2, their bowling equally tight lines.

Sehwag amd Jaysuria were undergoing hell even when mchrath was taken off for a good 5 to 6 overs.

Yea they were facing he'll because of the pressure created by mcgrath

He is too economical. Like bumrah now. They are forced to attack other bowlers and hence they reap the rewards. All due to McGrath's hard work.

Why did England win the test series in 2005 vs australia? Mcgrath missed key games.

Same in odi too. In world cup games if he dint play, they would have struggled cause they Binga and some other bowler like bracken would have opened.

And sanga is a fraud. Has zero scores vs big teams in key matches. In tests too. He never performed when it mattered. Zero match winning performances in India Australia and south africa.

Jaysuriya struggled against any fast bowler who was accurate.

Shewag only struggled vs swing and yes he was quality.

 

[mominsaigol]

Yea they were facing he'll because of the pressure created by mcgrath

He is too economical. Like bumrah now. They are forced to attack other bowlers and hence they reap the rewards. All due to McGrath's hard work.

Why did England win the test series in 2005 vs australia? Mcgrath missed key games.

Same in odi too. In world cup games if he dint play, they would have struggled cause they Binga and some other bowler like bracken would have opened.

And sanga is a fraud. Has zero scores vs big teams in key matches. In tests too. He never performed when it mattered. Zero match winning performances in India Australia and south africa.

Jaysuriya struggled against any fast bowler who was accurate.

Shewag only struggled vs swing and yes he was quality.

The difference is SA was murking bowlers left and right before bumrah came back

Travis and Marsh were murking India before bumrah came back, Marsh threw his wicket away but bunrah was needed for Travis.

Even Rizwan and babar were ahead of rr before bumrah came to just it.

Sehwag and Jaysuria weren't going bang bang on these bowlers. They were struggling tooth and nail. Sehwag struggled less againat The others compares to Mcgrath so maybe am argument can be made.

But jaysuria and Sanga? Hell naw they struggled equally.

 

[sweep_shot]

None of them are mcgrath class. None. Zero. Not even Warne who got destroyed in India


Mcgrath is the difference maker. Look at the stats too if you are a stat nerd

They are a nothing side without mcgrath. Maybe top 3 that's it.

LOL at "nothing side".

They are considered as the ATG team. You probably didn't watch them live and are just going by stats (while applying current day metrics).

Can't believe their ATG status is even up for debate.

 

[kron]

LOL at "nothing side".

They are considered as the ATG team. You probably didn't watch them live and are just going by stats (while applying current day metrics).

Can't believe their ATG status is even up for debate.

Watched all of them live. Withour mcgrath it was nothing special. They were very very beatable. Still a top 3/4 side but not a true ATG side withour mcgrath. He was that good. He alone could destroy any team. Put him in Bangladesh and he would have made Bangladesh a top 4 side. That's how good he was.

SA couldn't win a single test when mcgrath played.

India drew in aus cause mcgrath dint play back inn02

England lost famous 2005 series cause mcgrath missed 2 or 3 games.

 

[mominsaigol]

Yes, Pakistan. You are about to witness an era of destruction all right

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Read a new thing about Ponting today that he was the only batsman in that era who though about first hitting 6 then 4 then 2 and then 1.
After all this he ended up with str rate of 80 which is six points below Tendulkar (who played in the 90s too).

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

@kron @sweep_shot
I completely agree that Mcgrath was the reason why Australia dominated.

Example- Mcgrath was absent in Ashes 2005 after he stepped on a ball post the first match.
In first match Aus won by 239 runs with McGrath being the MOTM.

After he got injured Aus couldn’t win a single match out of the next 4

This is also the reason why I consider WestIndies team under Lloyd a better test team than Australia of 2000s.

 

[mominsaigol]

Read a new thing about Ponting today that he was the only batsman in that era who though about first hitting 6 then 4 then 2 and then 1.
After all this he ended up with str rate of 80 which is six points below Tendulkar (who played in the 90s too).

Pointing himself claimed it you donut.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Pointing himself claimed it you donut.

Claiming it doesn’t mean it has materialised.
Str rate of 80 was an average str rate for that time.

 

[mominsaigol]

Claiming it doesn’t mean it has materialised.
Str rate of 80 was an average str rate for that time.

If pointing was indian, you'd have scrutinised me for it and argued on end on how it materialised.

 

[sweep_shot]

LOL at Indians trying to downplay ATG Aussie team.

India (or any other team) may not achieve in 50 years what Australia have achieved during those 8 years.

Questing Australia's ATG status demonstrates trolling or genuine ignorance.

 

[KP From India]

Dizzy bowled some of the best spells of his life in 2004 Indian tour. Bowled well in 2001 tour without much luck. Dodgy no 8 as well standing there for 1-2 hours with main batsman. He would have lead the attack in McGrath absense and others like Lee, Kasprowich, McGill to support they would still get Indian batting out cheap. Probably 25 runs more in an innings.
Over a 4 Test Match Series( without McGrath)
In Aus- 4/0 to Aus
In Ind- 3/1 to Aus( 1 Match would be won due to Sehwag, Dravid etc).

I just buy it hey. I have seen australia wilt without. Mcgrath. He makes a humongous difference.

Especially in tests. He does in odi too but in tests he makes an even greater impact. India managed to draw in Australia mainly cause mcgrath played. Whenever he played they couldn't win.

In all big tournaments mcgratj makes the difference. Take him out and I just can't see them winning the title. It's my opinion. I am not saying other batsmen or bowlers are crap but the key difference maker is mcgrath
Give mcgratj to any team and he will make them title contenders. Any top 6 side that is. He is that good. Cant say the same for other batsmen or bowlers in those Australian teams.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

LOL at Indians trying to downplay ATG Aussie team.

India (or any other team) may not achieve in 50 years what Australia have achieved during those 8 years.

Questing Australia's ATG status demonstrates trolling or genuine ignorance.

India will not be able to get anywhere close to Australia of 2000s in the near future .

It still doesn’t change the fact that Mcgrath made them an ATG side and without him they would be second to SA of that time.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Dizzy bowled some of the best spells of his life in 2004 Indian tour. Bowled well in 2001 tour without much luck. Dodgy no 8 as well standing there for 1-2 hours with main batsman. He would have lead the attack in McGrath absense and others like Lee, Kasprowich, McGill to support they would still get Indian batting out cheap. Probably 25 runs more in an innings.
Over a 4 Test Match Series( without McGrath)
In Aus- 4/0 to Aus
In Ind- 3/1 to Aus( 1 Match would be won due to Sehwag, Dravid etc).

The fact is this actually happened in 2003-2004 and India played a drawn series against Aus in Aus.

In India we beat them with Mcgrath in 2001 lol.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Dizzy bowled some of the best spells of his life in 2004 Indian tour. Bowled well in 2001 tour without much luck. Dodgy no 8 as well standing there for 1-2 hours with main batsman. He would have lead the attack in McGrath absense and others like Lee, Kasprowich, McGill to support they would still get Indian batting out cheap. Probably 25 runs more in an innings.
Over a 4 Test Match Series( without McGrath)
In Aus- 4/0 to Aus
In Ind- 3/1 to Aus( 1 Match would be won due to Sehwag, Dravid etc).

I have given example of 2005 ashes, that alone tells us that it was Mcgrath who made this team ATG.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

If pointing was indian, you'd have scrutinised me for it and argued on end on how it materialised.

You claimed something that I found wrong, and presented a fact to counter it, you can ignore it or choose to reply, your own choice, no need to get personal,

 

[KP From India]

I have given example of 2005 ashes, that alone tells us that it was Mcgrath who made this team ATG.

McGrath was undoubtedly an ATG. But rest bowling attack was very good/excellent level as well.
Good enough to win the series anywhere.
2005 Ashes Dizzy was washed up bowler.

 

[Buffet]

McGrath was undoubtedly an ATG. But rest bowling attack was very good/excellent level as well.
Good enough to win the series anywhere.
2005 Ashes Dizzy was washed up bowler.

Aus wouldn't be doing better than SA team of same time without McGrath. We have a large sample size when McGrath played vs when he did not play during his career. W/L of Aus cuts in half in McGrath absense and drops below SA team.

It would be still a very strong team, but McGrath surely propelled Aus team to a different level.

 

[U$ofA]

Indian batting line up had some of the best players of spin in history. Murali and Warne, both were thrashed in India.

There you go. Both of them failed their greatest challenge. Friendly pitches combined with great batsmen of spin. A tailormade scenario for a great challenge. But both failed.

 

[jnaveen1980]

In current era nobody can dominate like Australia did. Not even the same 2000 Australia can dominate with all the distractions like league cricket.

 

[FearlessRoar]

The issue with Cricket Australia is in test cricket Steve Smith is the only legendary batter they've produced the last 10 years and the fact he can't further his red ball legacy due to the stubbornness of CA is sad to see. Australia won't produce a batter like him again.