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Which team has been the greatest home track bully ever in cricket?

Which team has been the greatest home track bully ever in cricket?

  • West Indies (1980s in Test)

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2006,2011,2016,2019,2023.

West Indies declined but apart from SA and OZ who wins consistently there? How many series have ENG, PAK win there ? Any idea?

Also you said India got thrashed. 2-1 loss is thrashing ?

I wrote "lost". Not "thrashed". Seems like your eyes have problems.

Windies declined by then. Even Bangladesh won a Test series in West Indies in 2009 (depleted side but they should've beaten minnow Bangladesh).
 
I wrote "lost". Not "thrashed". Seems like your eyes have problems.

Windies declined by then. Even Bangladesh won a Test series in West Indies in 2009 (depleted side but they should've beaten minnow Bangladesh).
Previous post you said India used to get thrashed regularly. Check this thread.
 
Previous post you said India used to get thrashed regularly. Check this thread.

Yes. Overall, they were a poor away team. That's what I meant and that is factual.

I didn't write India got thrashed to West Indies in 2002 series. They lost the series 1-2.
 
India of 90s under Azharuddin is the only team that comes to mind really. This will sound like a made up fact but India played 38 away Tests during 1990-99 and won just one.

Things only began to change under Ganguly from our England tour in 2002.
 
Yes. Overall, they were a poor away team. That's what I meant and that is factual.

I didn't write India got thrashed to West Indies in 2002 series. They lost the series 1-2.
In this century, India has the 2nd best away record of all test playing nations and the best away team of the last 10 years!!
If you want go back and back in history, no one is stopping that but that long ago has little relevance.

TeamMatWonLostDraw

Australia1175443201.255
India1314651340.901
South Africa1013539270.897
England1344259330.711
Pakistan1063655150.654
Sri Lanka942446240.521
New Zealand821744210.386
Afghanistan41300.333
West Indies1031567210.223
Bangladesh6565540.109
Zimbabwe2722320.086
 
In this century, India has the 2nd best away record of all test playing nations and the best away team of the last 10 years!!
If you want go back and back in history, no one is stopping that but that long ago has little relevance.


I was referring to pre-Bumrah and pre-Shami years.
 
Yes. Overall, they were a poor away team. That's what I meant and that is factual.

I didn't write India got thrashed to West Indies in 2002 series. They lost the series 1-2.
and regarding WI, India has not lost a single test in WI since 2002, while other teams have manged to lose decently against the depleting WI. India has owned WI at their home like Aus and SA.

 
Are you subtly trying to underplay your pathetic and shameful record in Australia by discounting their home wins?
What are you on? You have just endorsed my point, only away performances matter which is why you have brought up Pakistan's record in Australia.
 
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I think this century has about 15 years of Pre-Bumrah and Shami era!!

In 2011-2012, India lost 0-4 to Australia (away) and 0-4 to England (away).

Does that seem like a record of a good away team to you? Keep in mind, I am only referring to pre-Bumrah days.

Also, you lot make it sound like current India team is invincible. These current guys couldn't win a Test series in England, South Africa, and New Zealand. Drawing isn't the same thing. Even BD drew Test series against South Africa (0-0 in 2015), Australia (1-1 in 2017), England (1-1 in 2016), and NZ (1-1 in 2023).
 
India is practically an unbeatable home team. You can literally count on your fingers the number of times they have lost test matches at home in the past decade. Not losing a series at home in 12 years is also absolutely crazy. If I'm not wrong, I think they have lost only 2 series at home in this millennium which is also insane.
 
Also, you lot make it sound like current India team is invincible. These current guys couldn't win a Test series in England, South Africa, and New Zealand. Drawing isn't the same thing. Even BD drew Test series against South Africa (0-0 in 2015), Australia (1-1 in 2017), England (1-1 in 2016), and NZ (1-1 in 2023).
Drawing a test series in any of the SENA nations is a remarkable feat for an asian team. Of course it's not as big as a win. BD did really well in NZ in 2023 to draw the series(1-1). Credit to them. But the other drawn series by BD (against SA, Eng & Aus) that u hv mentioned hv been on BD home soil (those were not away tours). You are mixing lot of things now. No one ever said that drawing a home test series should be considered an achievement.
 
In 2011-2012, India lost 0-4 to Australia (away) and 0-4 to England (away).

Does that seem like a record of a good away team to you? Keep in mind, I am only referring to pre-Bumrah days.

Also, you lot make it sound like current India team is invincible. These current guys couldn't win a Test series in England, South Africa, and New Zealand. Drawing isn't the same thing. Even BD drew Test series against South Africa (0-0 in 2015), Australia (1-1 in 2017), England (1-1 in 2016), and NZ (1-1 in 2023).
Have I used the term or implied invincible?? Please tell me.

I have stated and proved with actual numbers that India has been the top two dominant away teams despite those two white washes in this century. and ....White washes have been suffered by almost all teams in away encounters in this century.
Australia was whitewashed by India in the return leg itself.
England got whitewashed by Australia in 2013.
I will spare talking about Bangladesh in conversation about whitewashes :P

24 years is a pretty long time buddy!

An additional stat nugget: India has suffered the least number of whitewashes in this century along with Australia and the number is 2 . :hamster: (Also Zimbabwe and Bangladesh, if we dont count 2 test series :P)
 
Currently india is best test team around the world .

They absolutely destroyed any team at home .

They are most competitive test team away from home too .
 
India is practically an unbeatable home team. You can literally count on your fingers the number of times they have lost test matches at home in the past decade. Not losing a series at home in 12 years is also absolutely crazy. If I'm not wrong, I think they have lost only 2 series at home in this millennium which is also insane.


We lost 3 this millennium..

2000 vs South Africa
2004 vs Australia
2012 vs England
 
We lost 3 this millennium..

2000 vs South Africa
2004 vs Australia
2012 vs England
I had no idea South Africa won a series in India and this recently. Infact this is the first I have even heard of this series. Don't know why it doesn't get talked about enough. The other two series are fairly famous.
 
I had no idea South Africa won a series in India and this recently. Infact this is the first I have even heard of this series. Don't know why it doesn't get talked about enough. The other two series are fairly famous.
Its one of the reasons for Kallis being so famous in India.

The reason why it doesn’t get spoken though is , same tour had ODi as well which India won but had match fixing allegations all over it, it’s that infamous tour which exposed the match fixing of Saffers.
 
Currently india is best test team around the world .

They absolutely destroyed any team at home .

They are most competitive test team away from home too .

That may change this December. If Aussies beat India (which they should), they can safely be considered as the undisputed current #1 Test team.

Remember Aussies whitewashed NZ in NZ while India got whitewashed in NZ.

You have to consider all factors. Not just cherry pick a few things.
 
That may change this December. If Aussies beat India (which they should), they can be safely considered as the undisputed #1 Test team currently.

Remember Aussies whitewashed NZ in NZ while India got whitewashed in NZ.

You have to consider all factors. Not just cherry pick a few things.
So Aus winning in their home gets more points than India winning in their home? Atleast try to be less hypocritical..
 
Usual suspect trying to discredit Indian achievements- becuase their nation or their adopted nation has no cricketing glory worth talking about.

Non India countries winning at home- #1 test team
India winning at home -HTB

Weird logic

We all can make informed decisions based on history and facts.

Facts are:

1) India used to be a very big home track bully before 2002. That changed a little from 2002 till about 2018. That changed dramatically after 2018 as likes of Bumrah and Shami stepped up.

2) India are currently not the #1 Test team as they failed to win a Test series (in recent times) in England, NZ, and South Africa. They also couldn't win the WTC despite trying twice.

So, which team is the biggest home track bully in cricket's history (not just recent times but overall)? I think it is a tie between India and Sri Lanka.
 
We all can make informed decisions based on history and facts.

Facts are:

1) India used to be a very big home track bully before 2002. That changed a little from 2002 till about 2018. That changed dramatically after 2018 as likes of Bumrah and Shami stepped up.

2) India are currently not the #1 Test team as they failed to win a Test series (in recent times) in England, NZ, and South Africa. They also couldn't win the WTC despite trying twice.

So, which team is the biggest home track bully in cricket's history (not just recent times but overall)? I think it is a tie between India and Sri Lanka.
A Home Track bully would suggest almost never win overseas and only at home. Even in the time period you quote India beat a Pak team away in Pak, butthen you will never consider that.



The question is not about #1 team, but you like to muddy the waters as long as you can discredit India. The only dark blot on India's record since 2000 is 8-0, but then that you will being a troll will hone in on.



Wonder why the focus on recent because it suits your narrative? I would have said an All time home track bully would be Pakistan, but then recently they never had any home games.



Or BD, except they dont win much, away or home.
 
Its one of the reasons for Kallis being so famous in India.

The reason why it doesn’t get spoken though is , same tour had ODi as well which India won but had match fixing allegations all over it, it’s that infamous tour which exposed the match fixing of Saffers.
Oh right lol. That makes alot of sense actually. It's funny how that scandal has overshadowed that entire tour. Because winning a test series in India... even in 2000, was a massive achievement.
 
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What are you on? You have just endorsed my point, only away performances matter which is why you have brought up Pakistan's record in Australia.
It was also a home series for Australia!!
I should have brought up your home series against England. My bad!
 
Yep i think in Test its still difficult to beat India in India but in ODIs Pakistan can defeat them if they select the right players like they did one series back in 2012-13
Hell no, unless 2017 repeat happens where Fakhar does his magic. That's the issue with Pakistan, They only have one X factor and Pakistan is so poor at management that rather then focusing on making him consistent, they replaced him for an Impactless rizwan.

The X factors that people want like Saim Ayub, Shabzada Farhan, Tayyab Tahir, Haris aren't bad and can be developed but the gap is way way too high in terms of talent.

Only players I see that can develop into proper superstars if developed properly are

1) Fakhar Zaman: He's getting old but if Pakistan can make him consistent then you got yourself a bingo card.

2) Abdullah Shafiq: He won't become a bang bang opener, but I can see him becoming a proper odi and test opener who can play very very long innings and can get those 150 scores in odi. Granted he won't get them like Fakhar Zaman but he can get them.

3) Saud Shakeel: He's a proper Special Talent who can become a proper No 4 for Pakistan is Rizwan Gets his bhoota off this planet.

Everyone else is no where close to India in terms of talent.

Saim Ayub vs Jaiswal will turn into another Joke Umar Akmal vs Virat Kohli thread.
 
No matter how you want to spin it, India were largely a home track bully before Bumrah era. I witnessed it myself.

Anomalies can happen in Test too.
You witnessing means nothing,India were decent travellers before 8-0 as well
They competed well in Aus in 2007-8,did draw in SA 2010-11,won in NZ in 2009,won in Eng 2007
They struggled in that 8-0 period as that was a massively ageing side and many were rightly dropped after it
That can happen to any side ,transitions take time and Dhoni was also a factor ,he was a poor red ball leader
 
If home track bully means a team that can only win at home then I guess Bangladesh LOL.
India is a dominant team at home but their away record is also that bad. Best Asian team for sure in any condition.
 
Probably current Indian team. They have not had a drawn test series in last 11 years at home.

Australia between 1993-2008 were close too but they encountered drawn series in 2003 vs India and around 2001 vs NZ.
Yeah so because India is probably playing its best cricket it has ever in the last ten years, is somehow a suggestion that they are a home track bully? If anything they are just too good a team.
 
I'm very intrigued to see what kind of pitches India prepare for the home series against Bangladesh and New Zealand. Will it be flat decks where their batters can boost their averages and make merry or prepare rank turners to win all the 5 tests.
 
I'm very intrigued to see what kind of pitches India prepare for the home series against Bangladesh and New Zealand. Will it be flat decks where their batters can boost their averages and make merry or prepare rank turners to win all the 5 tests.
India does not need pitch assistance to beat any team, they showed that against England. The general and natural nature of pitches in India is to take spin, so I’m sure that’ll continue. They won’t go out of their way to produce green tops, that’s for sure.
Indian pitches are not roads unlike Pakistan.
 
I'm very intrigued to see what kind of pitches India prepare for the home series against Bangladesh and New Zealand. Will it be flat decks where their batters can boost their averages and make merry or prepare rank turners to win all the 5 tests.

I am not sure if BCCI should still invite Bangladesh after how the Hindus have suffered there in recent times with no protection from local police and people.

Even if they come, which would be an utter shame on us as a proud Hindu country, I don’t think we would need rank turners to beat a minnow. Even on the flattest pitches we can get them bowled out twice with ease.

BZ is a proper team and I would prefer some pace and bounce in the pitches for them.
 
Home track bully is a nation which dominate at home but can't win away.

I think NZ would be the biggest home track bully.

NZ generally can't win in India, SL, South Africa, Australia, and England.
 
India had a cheat code in 2013-2023 period which no other team had with Ashwin and Jadeja. Basically they were always playing 13 vs 11. Two bowlers who average early 20s with ball and are also giving you 28-33 avg each with bat.

Even the SA teams of 90s-00s with Kallis, Pollock, Klusener were not so goated because with good fast bowlers you could still challenge them.

I dont think the great Windies team or the great Aussie team of 00s would also be able to consistently bridge the Ashwin -Jadeja gap. You would need a freak performance like Steyn Nagpur or Lyon in Bengaluru just to keep pace
 
India had a cheat code in 2013-2023 period which no other team had with Ashwin and Jadeja. Basically they were always playing 13 vs 11. Two bowlers who average early 20s with ball and are also giving you 28-33 avg each with bat.

Even the SA teams of 90s-00s with Kallis, Pollock, Klusener were not so goated because with good fast bowlers you could still challenge them.

I dont think the great Windies team or the great Aussie team of 00s would also be able to consistently bridge the Ashwin -Jadeja gap. You would need a freak performance like Steyn Nagpur or Lyon in Bengaluru just to keep pace
Steyn played on green pitches that time when he took 6 fer and there were reports of him tampering with the ball. If bumrah had tampered balls he would average 10 every game.
 
The series has proven India are a mid-tier team without Bumrah.

Once Rohit and Kohli retire, it may become even worse.
I think you are going to be surprised here unfortunately. Can't wait till kohli retires from odi.
 
I'm very intrigued to see what kind of pitches India prepare for the home series against Bangladesh and New Zealand. Will it be flat decks where their batters can boost their averages and make merry or prepare rank turners to win all the 5 tests.

Typically India starts with slow turners and occasionally curator overdoes it and underprepares an ultra dustbowl.

Since WTC came in, remit is to try and get maximum results and full points on home surfaces so flat decks like 2016 Eng vs Ind series are no longer made on purpose. All the naturally slow flat wkts like Chennai, Mumbai, Nagpur where scores like 400 plays 450 in first inns was norm have been getting clean shave before match in recent times to spur result.

I think India - Bang series could be very interesting if square turners made. Bangla have 3 very very good experienced finger spinners (two of whom bat at 30+ avg) which probably no team in last 10-12 yrs has had on an India tour. They have skills and nous to upend India on a turner.
 
India had a cheat code in 2013-2023 period which no other team had with Ashwin and Jadeja. Basically they were always playing 13 vs 11. Two bowlers who average early 20s with ball and are also giving you 28-33 avg each with bat.

Even the SA teams of 90s-00s with Kallis, Pollock, Klusener were not so goated because with good fast bowlers you could still challenge them.

I dont think the great Windies team or the great Aussie team of 00s would also be able to consistently bridge the Ashwin -Jadeja gap. You would need a freak performance like Steyn Nagpur or Lyon in Bengaluru just to keep pace
This. I always felt the same way. Ashwin + Jadeja = 4 players. Add Jadeja the fielder 5 players. The value they bring to the side is immense. Irreplaceable match winners.
 
India is the one that comes to my mind here. They are brilliant at their home. Leave no stone unturned when it comes to winning games at home.

Pakistan is the worst side at home. They don't know what to do.
 
Dominance?

No, home record doesn't really count because the expectation is for the home team to win at home with ease, hence any home team can land a 50 series winning streak at home, and it doesn't mean a thing. Away records are what count in Cricket.

Thus the preferred word is expectation with home records/performances.
Name one team who had 50 home series winning streak? Or 15 (other than india)
 
Lol, this thread comes to mind when I think we can't even label Pakistan as home track bullies.
 
Sri Lanka equals England's record for the most Test wins at a single ground since 2000.

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Australia at the gabbatoir? The very definition of home track bullies when they can't win a series in India for 21 years and England circa 20 years... :rp
 
Australia at the gabbatoir? The very definition of home track bullies when they can't win a series in India for 21 years and England circa 20 years... :rp
That's very strange record for a side like Aus. To not win test series in Eng and Aus both in more than two decades.
 
A lot of people saying India which is untrue, since they have a stellar recent BGT record and drew away in England 2-2.

NZ definitely fits the bill the most, only 2 away wins in WTC history. Had it not been for over rate punishments for Australia during the first cycle they wouldn't have even been in that final.
 
A lot of people saying India which is untrue, since they have a stellar recent BGT record and drew away in England 2-2.

NZ definitely fits the bill the most, only 2 away wins in WTC history. Had it not been for over rate punishments for Australia during the first cycle they wouldn't have even been in that final.
Looks a strong cadidate by having W/L near Afghanistan and BD when playing away despite doing very well at home.

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I think Indian team of 90s will be the best candidate.

Won just one test away from home in 90s with W/L of 0.06
At the same time, they won a lot at home with W/L of 3.4
 
Current Indian team, great Aus/SA/WI team don't come close to Indian team of 90s. To put it in conext, in the last 10 years Indians have won 22 away test. 90s team won just 1 test in 10 years.

It has to be Indian team of 90s. A top class HTB.

I am assuming, we are using this tag for team who relatively dominated at home when compared to away. No one will then come clsoe to Indian team of 90s.
 
Long live the reign

Most consecutive Test series wins at home
18* - India (2013 - 2024)
10 - Australia (1994-2000)
10 - Australia (2004-2008)
8 - West Indies (1976-1986)
8 - New Zealand (2017-2020)
 
South Africa are not great in Tests anymore but just home bullies now. And Pakistan team is their next victim
 
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