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Can Asif Ali be a better Pakistan's T20I captain than Babar Azam and Mohammad Rizwan?

Asif Ali should've been in the squad and in the playing XI, instead of Ifti. The guy is a genuine power hitter, whereas chacha on the other hand is nothing more than a Misbah friend

You have to laugh at those who thought our age fudging uncle was going to be Pakistan's saviour.
 
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topspin said:
Asif Ali should've been in the squad and in the playing XI, instead of Ifti. The guy is a genuine power hitter, whereas chacha on the other hand is nothing more than a Misbah clone.

You have to laugh at those who thought our age fudging uncle was going to be Pakistan's saviour.
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Ifti is part of the Shadab, Rizwan, Shaheen group which explains why he became undroppable.

We target Babar but the rot began with this group.
 
What’s wrong with the suggestion of having him as captain?
 
Rana said:
What’s wrong with the suggestion of having him as captain?
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a guy who can't even last more than two overs, you suggested him as a captain, interesting.

without even looking at stats, I can say Asif Ali averages around 16.

Hitting couple of sixes and than giving catch, this is pure gali muhalla cricket, and this mindset is one of the reason for downfall of our cricket.
 
imran1976 said:
a guy who can't even last more than two overs, you suggested him as a captain, interesting.

without even looking at stats, I can say Asif Ali averages around 16.

Hitting couple of sixes and than giving catch, this is pure gali muhalla cricket, and this mindset is one of the reason for downfall of our cricket.
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Strike Rate is more important than average in T20s
 
imran1976 said:
a guy who can't even last more than two overs, you suggested him as a captain, interesting.

without even looking at stats, I can say Asif Ali averages around 16.

Hitting couple of sixes and than giving catch, this is pure gali muhalla cricket, and this mindset is one of the reason for downfall of our cricket.
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Still better than Iftimania
 
Hopefully PCB will invite Oman and PNG for a trinations namely Skipper Asif Cup, team should be

Imam
Shan
AzamKhan +
 Saud
Haider Ali
Asif Ali c
Khusdil Shah
Shadab
Nawaz
Iftikhar
Imad Wasim
 
Iftikhar Ahmed should rightly dropped & discarded.

However Asif Ali, isn't an improvement, let's not forget Asif Ali was in 2022 T20WC squad where he did nothing.

He has struggled in majority of Pakistan games he's played.

It would be better if we invest in someone new &/or Irfan Khan Niazi.
 
Ifti was best finisher in this season PSL so selection was right.

Asif Ali average 18, strike 160
Ifti average 60, strike 190

Ifti selection was in merit.

Problem may be PSL bowling and pitches very low level quality.

But US pitches very tough.
 
Flat_Track_Bully said:
Still better than Iftimania
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I just trying to say that grown up people in this forum must grow up now -- we must stop all this he is better than him comparisons and in doing so we go to extreme.

better or not better, I personally say that Iftikhar Ahmad never deserved a place in Pakistan team.
 
TeymurBlake said:
Iftikhar Ahmed should rightly dropped & discarded.

However Asif Ali, isn't an improvement, let's not forget Asif Ali was in 2022 T20WC squad where he did nothing.

He has struggled in majority of Pakistan games he's played.

It would be better if we invest in someone new &/or Irfan Khan Niazi.
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I agree on investing in someone new, But why on earth would you choose irfan Khan niazi?

He's just chacha 2.0 and chacha himself is misbah 2.0?

So you want to complete the trilogy?
 
mominsaigol said:
I agree on investing in someone new, But why on earth would you choose irfan Khan niazi?

He's just chacha 2.0 and chacha himself is misbah 2.0?

So you want to complete the trilogy?
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I get the feeling that Gary Kirsten would like to get a closer look at him & potentially improve/fine tune him more so than the other hitters Pakistan have tried such as Khushdil, Asif Ali & Chacha.
 
Asif would have sent those full tosses into space, Chacha instead was watching his whole life pass him in a flash
 
Asif is still a better hitter of the ball but he is no option for a captain. Not in a million years.
 
imran1976 said:
balance is required -- both average and strike rate matters. -- making 50 at 100 strike rate or making 15 at 200 strike rate, if this ain't helping the team to win a game, it's just a waste.
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Asif Ali was the reason Pakistan reached semifinals of the 2021 t20 WC
 
Rana said:
Why? You need a non selfish captain? What’s wrong with him?
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Already told you several times but you forget I guess.

His place in the team is nowhere. First, let him make his way back in the team and then we will make him captain sure.
 
RyanRyan10 said:
Asif Ali was the reason Pakistan reached semifinals of the 2021 t20 WC
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Rana said:
Why? You need a non selfish captain? What’s wrong with him?
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I'm gonna have to disagree with you guys on this.

Asif Ali in terms of being a no 7 may be a better option then chacha in t20 who can't even hit a full toss in a super over,

However asif isn't captaincy material, besides the 2021 wc games, he's made a living of hitting a 6 and then getting out, ontop of which his captaincy experience applies prior to his daughters death, not after, meaning he isn't mentally even in it anymore for captaincy pressure. We saw how the toll of a loved one takes hold on players: case in point saeed Anwar.

A better candidate to captain is Muhammad haris who granted has dropped in form due to mental pressure as well as how PCB treated him, however if given confidence he can be a proper make shift no 1 to no 7 batsmen for pakistan as well as the fact that he has solid captaincy experience and knows how to create team culture.

Haris ideally needs someone like YK to groom him as both have an ego and are off the same mould, and pakistan is not the country where you have a chill captain like pat Cummings as the players are ego maniacs. You need someone like haris and YK to slap some sense into them.

Sarfraz + YK + Haris should be the combo going forward.

Asif is just going to get blackmailed and tortured due to our players hitting below the belt with daughter death jokes and I 100% guarantee you they'll do that, this lot has no limits of stooping
 
mominsaigol said:
I'm gonna have to disagree with you guys on this.

Asif Ali in terms of being a no 7 may be a better option then chacha in t20 who can't even hit a full toss in a super over,

However asif isn't captaincy material, besides the 2021 wc games, he's made a living of hitting a 6 and then getting out, ontop of which his captaincy experience applies prior to his daughters death, not after, meaning he isn't mentally even in it anymore for captaincy pressure. We saw how the toll of a loved one takes hold on players: case in point saeed Anwar.

A better candidate to captain is Muhammad haris who granted has dropped in form due to mental pressure as well as how PCB treated him, however if given confidence he can be a proper make shift no 1 to no 7 batsmen for pakistan as well as the fact that he has solid captaincy experience and knows how to create team culture.

Haris ideally needs someone like YK to groom him as both have an ego and are off the same mould, and pakistan is not the country where you have a chill captain like pat Cummings as the players are ego maniacs. You need someone like haris and YK to slap some sense into them.

Sarfraz + YK + Haris should be the combo going forward.

Asif is just going to get blackmailed and tortured due to our players hitting below the belt with daughter death jokes and I 100% guarantee you they'll do that, this lot has no limits of stooping
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Mate AA should open instead of Babar and Rizwan at least. He will give it a go in the powerplay unlike those two selfish players
 
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mominsaigol said:
I'm gonna have to disagree with you guys on this.

Asif Ali in terms of being a no 7 may be a better option then chacha in t20 who can't even hit a full toss in a super over,

However asif isn't captaincy material, besides the 2021 wc games, he's made a living of hitting a 6 and then getting out, ontop of which his captaincy experience applies prior to his daughters death, not after, meaning he isn't mentally even in it anymore for captaincy pressure. We saw how the toll of a loved one takes hold on players: case in point saeed Anwar.

A better candidate to captain is Muhammad haris who granted has dropped in form due to mental pressure as well as how PCB treated him, however if given confidence he can be a proper make shift no 1 to no 7 batsmen for pakistan as well as the fact that he has solid captaincy experience and knows how to create team culture.

Haris ideally needs someone like YK to groom him as both have an ego and are off the same mould, and pakistan is not the country where you have a chill captain like pat Cummings as the players are ego maniacs. You need someone like haris and YK to slap some sense into them.

Sarfraz + YK + Haris should be the combo going forward.

Asif is just going to get blackmailed and tortured due to our players hitting below the belt with daughter death jokes and I 100% guarantee you they'll do that, this lot has no limits of stooping
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What roles do you have in mind for Sarfraz and YK? your proposal is not bad, but I think the Asif Ali suggestion is more to counter Babar’s lack of leadership, there are other suitable candidates to potentially. But if Babar and Asif Ali were last men on Earth for the T20 captaincy, I’d chuck Babar into space and go for Asif Ali because I know he’d do a better job at least getting the respect of the locker room because he would be less likely to stab everyone in the back and prioritise his own position in the line up, and perhaps with experience he’d get better tactically to, it’s not Test Cricket, T20 cricket is fair straight forward but over complicated by two cancerous individuals
 
Rana said:
Mate AA should open instead of Babar and Rizwan at least. He will give it a go in the powerplay unlike those two selfish players
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Asif Ali wouldn’t selfishly open as a leader, he would make sure it’s Fakhar Zaman and Saim/Sharjeel or another aggressive opener if those people were better suited to those positions or more comfortable playing at the top, he’d make that sacrifice opposed to maximising his own returns.

Off course if Asif Ali was to open, I think a number of people would be given a rude awakening.
 
shaz619 said:
What roles do you have in mind for Sarfraz and YK? your proposal is not bad, but I think the Asif Ali suggestion is more to counter Babar’s lack of leadership, there are other suitable candidates to potentially. But if Babar and Asif Ali were last men on Earth for the T20 captaincy, I’d chuck Babar into space and go for Asif Ali because I know he’d do a better job at least getting the respect of the locker room because he would be less likely to stab everyone in the back and prioritise his own position in the line up, and perhaps with experience he’d get better tactically to, it’s not Test Cricket, T20 cricket is fair straight forward but over complicated by two cancerous individuals
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He will go full ECW Tommy Dreamer in the powerplay!
 
shaz619 said:
What roles do you have in mind for Sarfraz and YK? your proposal is not bad, but I think the Asif Ali suggestion is more to counter Babar’s lack of leadership, there are other suitable candidates to potentially. But if Babar and Asif Ali were last men on Earth for the T20 captaincy, I’d chuck Babar into space and go for Asif Ali because I know he’d do a better job at least getting the respect of the locker room because he would be less likely to stab everyone in the back and prioritise his own position in the line up, and perhaps with experience he’d get better tactically to, it’s not Test Cricket, T20 cricket is fair straight forward but over complicated by two cancerous individuals
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Sarfraz more of a Selector type role if PCB forgoes the ego of fancy English being a criteria.

Sarfi knows the domestic set up and knows how to groom and create team culture.

Under his leadership Imad wasim was brought on because these 2 knew each other from their under 19 days.

Under his leadership fakhar was brought on to open, Similarly malik who was kept put for years and haris sohail who was never groomed properly were brought into the fold.

Pretty much the entire t20 and whiteball set up was thanks for sarfi.

As for YK either a coach or director type role because let's face it, YK is a goat when it comes to gelling people together and creating a team culture but unlike sarfraz who gives it his all, YK will quit if he thinks PCB isn't giving his respect and isn't letting him do his job.

So just give YK complete control over PCB decisions and give sarfi control over team selections and give haris the ability to actually captain and lead like he did for acc emerging cup.
 
Asif Ali is the hero Pakistan deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hunt him. Because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian, a violent protector. A Green Knight.
 
mominsaigol said:
Sarfraz more of a Selector type role if PCB forgoes the ego of fancy English being a criteria.

Sarfi knows the domestic set up and knows how to groom and create team culture.

Under his leadership Imad wasim was brought on because these 2 knew each other from their under 19 days.

Under his leadership fakhar was brought on to open, Similarly malik who was kept put for years and haris sohail who was never groomed properly were brought into the fold.

Pretty much the entire t20 and whiteball set up was thanks for sarfi.

As for YK either a coach or director type role because let's face it, YK is a goat when it comes to gelling people together and creating a team culture but unlike sarfraz who gives it his all, YK will quit if he thinks PCB isn't giving his respect and isn't letting him do his job.

So just give YK complete control over PCB decisions and give sarfi control over team selections and give haris the ability to actually captain and lead like he did for acc emerging cup.
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Yeah that might work and is a better switch up to what is being rumoured, Sarfraz would be better suited to a selector type role to, you put him on the ground and he is not going to tolerate any bs from anybody which is good but we in an era now of soft teddy bears. YK should be given a director type role and pampered as much as possible, a happy YK can do special things, but his relationship with the PCB has been turbulent to say the least, a player of his calibre never got the appreciation he felt he deserves, but as a director he could create the right structure for success.
 
mominsaigol said:
I'm gonna have to disagree with you guys on this.

Asif Ali in terms of being a no 7 may be a better option then chacha in t20 who can't even hit a full toss in a super over,

However asif isn't captaincy material, besides the 2021 wc games, he's made a living of hitting a 6 and then getting out, ontop of which his captaincy experience applies prior to his daughters death, not after, meaning he isn't mentally even in it anymore for captaincy pressure. We saw how the toll of a loved one takes hold on players: case in point saeed Anwar.

A better candidate to captain is Muhammad haris who granted has dropped in form due to mental pressure as well as how PCB treated him, however if given confidence he can be a proper make shift no 1 to no 7 batsmen for pakistan as well as the fact that he has solid captaincy experience and knows how to create team culture.

Haris ideally needs someone like YK to groom him as both have an ego and are off the same mould, and pakistan is not the country where you have a chill captain like pat Cummings as the players are ego maniacs. You need someone like haris and YK to slap some sense into them.

Sarfraz + YK + Haris should be the combo going forward.

Asif is just going to get blackmailed and tortured due to our players hitting below the belt with daughter death jokes and I 100% guarantee you they'll do that, this lot has no limits of stooping
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I am not endorsing him as the leader. What I am attempting to assert is that his approach is the correct one for the T20 format. And he, despite various weaknesses, played a pivotal role in guiding Pakistan to the semifinals of the 2021 T20 World Cup.

The Babar fanboys here seem to be having difficulty grasping that having the highest batting average and being the highest run scorer in T20s is not as important as it is in Tests. Impact and strike rate are more significant. What's needed are players who approach the game with intent, rather than mere statistical accumulators. Attacking batters may have a higher frequency of failure than accumulators, but when they perform well, they are more likely to win you big games. If they do not succeed, they at least won't waste too many balls.

Babar scored 44(43) against the USA and yet his innings was still defended. He is fully capable of scoring at a higher rate, but he has become stubborn and is content with the mediocrity of his team instead of striving to elevate their performance. Furthermore, he is shielded by his fanboys who blame everyone else except for him.
 
shaz619 said:
Asif Ali is the hero Pakistan deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hunt him. Because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian, a violent protector. A Green Knight.
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Zindabad buddy.
 
RyanRyan10 said:
I am not endorsing him as the leader. What I am attempting to assert is that his approach is the correct one for the T20 format. And he, despite various weaknesses, played a pivotal role in guiding Pakistan to the semifinals of the 2021 T20 World Cup.

The Babar fanboys here seem to be having difficulty grasping that having the highest batting average and being the highest run scorer in T20s is not as important as it is in Tests. Impact and strike rate are more significant. What's needed are players who approach the game with intent, rather than mere statistical accumulators. Attacking batters may have a higher frequency of failure than accumulators, but when they perform well, they are more likely to win you big games. If they do not succeed, they at least won't waste too many balls.

Babar scored 44(43) against the USA and yet his innings was still defended. He is fully capable of scoring at a higher rate, but he has become stubborn and is content with the mediocrity of his team instead of striving to elevate their performance. Furthermore, he is shielded by his fanboys who blame everyone else except for him.
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2021 and 2022 wc were both cups where babar and rizwan were shamelessly hiding behind the middle order to do their job.

Well with the exception of the 2021 India game ofcourse.
 
mominsaigol said:
2021 and 2022 wc were both cups where babar and rizwan were shamelessly hiding behind the middle order to do their job.

Well with the exception of the 2021 India game ofcourse.
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Yes. The first victory in yonks vs India.
 
MenInG said:
Yes. The first victory in yonks vs India.
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Babar’s best innings include

1) 197 in test against australia (his best innings)
2) Taking the side home against India in t20( His 2nd best innings)
3) 101 against NZ in 2019 (his 3rd best innings)

^^ All these innings are good but no where close to ATG innings that fakhar has played, or maxwell 201, or Ben stokes final knock against NZ.

Rizzu's best innings include

1) Sri lanka game wc (Pretty good tbh)
2) T20 game against India (Also really good)

Problem is these 2 have cost pakistan more games then won and often times in the same tournaments.

1) Babar’s 39 of 34 against Australia in SF was costly and it crippled pakistan for 70 of 1 in first 10 although hasan Ali is more at fault.

2) His 44 of 43 against usa on a road putch was double costly.

3) Rizzu and chacha's 55 of 49 and 32 of 31 against sri lanka in Asia Cup final leaving pakistan to chase 60 of 24 despite the target only being 159 due to sri lanka giving pakistan 11 runs before the first ball even was bowled.

I cam go on and on. You'd never see such innings from someone like rohit sharma. If he fails he fails, but if he does score a 50 or a 100, it won't be a frustrating 55 of 49, it'll be a mauling similar to what he did to australia this year or his iconic 258 score.
 
shaz619 said:
Asif Ali is the hero Pakistan deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hunt him. Because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian, a violent protector. A Green Knight.
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I always believe we can utilize him as an opener. I am sure that on his day he will turn things upside down for the opponents but dont know why we are keep selecting Mr no look shot.
 
I think it’s the right time to make Asif Ali captain of the white ball team.

What’s their to lose? You should look to change the mindset of the cricket nation, that won’t be possible if you keep bringing in guys like Shan Masood, Rizwan or Imam ul Haq for white ball cricket.

Take a brave decision and back this kind of player as your leader, and build a new team with him or someone like him.
 
14 ball 50 by future kaaptaan in hong kong sixes.

When do we think he will comeback in national colours?
 
This is place sadly HKG 6s

Or else he can only fit in a delusional XI with he likes of Sharjeel Imad and Amir
 
You have to be an elite level of crap to be a Pakistan captain who loses to USA in their first ever World Cup match

Thankfully, Asif Ali didn’t achieve this monumental failure.
 
Can we make Asif Ali the Hong Kong sixes captain? I see some potential in him.

Sure King Rizwan is touring Australia as white ball captain whilst Asif Ali is playing in the hong kong sixes but I see potential, he's a great leader in the hong kong sixes.
 
Big game player.

Came good in T20 WC and against India in HK sixes.

All joking aside the guy gets too much flack. He'll always have my respect for those 2 performances against Afghans and Kiwis.

Humble guy, humble background. Hope he gets the chance to provide further for his family.
 
Kianig89 said:
Atleast Asif Ali is hardworking and clean , unlike other players like AzamKhan & Sharjeel Khan who are unfit
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Agreed. To be honest if this ultra hyped Irfan Khan Niazi fails, then team management may go back to Asif Ali in T20s.
 
Asif Ali had great potential, but it was wasted by Captain Babar. And it’s not just Asif Ali; many other middle and lower-order batsmen have faced the same situation.

It's completely unfair that Babar and Rizwan play 15 overs as if it’s a test match to boost their averages, then expect everyone else to come in and start hitting big without having a chance to settle.
 
emranabbas said:
Asif Ali had great potential, but it was wasted by Captain Babar. And it’s not just Asif Ali; many other middle and lower-order batsmen have faced the same situation.

It's completely unfair that Babar and Rizwan play 15 overs as if it’s a test match to boost their averages, then expect everyone else to come in and start hitting big without having a chance to settle.
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An aggressive captain could have used him as opener to launch attack during powerplay. But I have heard Asif Ali himself saying multiple times in various interviews that his focus is always to hit 30-40 run in 10-15 balls, that's what his role is as a player towards end of the innings.
 
mango_bite77 said:
An aggressive captain could have used him as opener to launch attack during powerplay. But I have heard Asif Ali himself saying multiple times in various interviews that his focus is always to hit 30-40 run in 10-15 balls, that's what his role is as a player towards end of the innings.
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He's simply been molded into that role, just as Chacha Ifti has been shaped to be a finisher.

Anyone who wants to play for Pakistan has to accept that role. With Babar and Rizwan playing the first 10–15 overs at a slow pace to boost their averages, the rest are expected to come in and go all-out from the start.

Yes your right any captain with sense would open with with fakhar, asif ali, iftikhar chacha so they can make the most with boundaries while the field is inside the circle in power plays

But captain like to play covers drives in the power play.
 
Everything you mocked in the past is coming back to haunt you today.

Make fun of a guy who may play for your country, to defend frauds who played for themselves. The destruction of Pakistan cricket is what you people deserve.

Let it burn!
 
emranabbas said:
He's simply been molded into that role, just as Chacha Ifti has been shaped to be a finisher.

Anyone who wants to play for Pakistan has to accept that role. With Babar and Rizwan playing the first 10–15 overs at a slow pace to boost their averages, the rest are expected to come in and go all-out from the start.

Yes your right any captain with sense would open with with fakhar, asif ali, iftikhar chacha so they can make the most with boundaries while the field is inside the circle in power plays

But captain like to play covers drives in the power play.
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Agreed on Asif and Fakhar but ifti as opener ? I don't think he is suited for that role. He is a kind of player who take some time before middling anything. If you see his career, whenever he has scored big, he always tool sometime before hitting big. While other like Asif and Fakhar they can go big from the ball one.
 
mango_bite77 said:
An aggressive captain could have used him as opener to launch attack during powerplay. But I have heard Asif Ali himself saying multiple times in various interviews that his focus is always to hit 30-40 run in 10-15 balls, that's what his role is as a player towards end of the innings.
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I find this hilarious. Because dude has probably played for dozens of T20 teams by now. In league Cricket. There wasn't one 'aggressive captain' that thought of opening with Asif Ali?
 
Today, Pakistan is Yearning, Pleading for players that will fight for their country first! You have no one who fights with passion for the crest on their shirt! Pakistan cricket glorified individuals who only had the best interest of their bank accounts, not their country or nation.

You people are your own worst enemies. You people are happy with this state of cricketing poverty. You people deserve losing to USA. This is a fair result.
 
emranabbas said:
Asif Ali had great potential, but it was wasted by Captain Babar. And it’s not just Asif Ali; many other middle and lower-order batsmen have faced the same situation.

It's completely unfair that Babar and Rizwan play 15 overs as if it’s a test match to boost their averages, then expect everyone else to come in and start hitting big without having a chance to settle.
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Asif Ali averages 15 in T20 internationals after 51 innings.

Furthermore, he does not average more than 28 in any domestic format (FC, LA, T20) in spite of being 33 and having played more than 300+ domestic matches.

But apparently, Babar did not let him flourish and he is responsible for the Pakistani Jos Buttler’s tailender like output.

🤡
 
Mamoon said:
Asif Ali averages 15 in T20 internationals after 51 innings.

Furthermore, he does not average more than 28 in any domestic format (FC, LA, T20) in spite of being 33 and having played more than 300+ domestic matches.

But apparently, Babar did not let him flourish and he is responsible for the Pakistani Jos Buttler’s tailender like output.

🤡
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Even Shahid Afridi averaged close to 18 with a better Strike Rate. A guy who was literally known in the world as one who cannot stay in the crease for long.

These players didn't helped themselves. They got plenty of chances in International arena and have no one but themselves to blame for it.
 
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