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"Bazball" seems to be the buzz word at the moment and appears to indicate a no-nonsense/no fear approach to cricket.

Can Pakistan also adopt this? "Saqball" perhaps?
 
Saqlain will be Sacked before Saqball ever happens
 
Right now, we will need a complete overhaul to get out of the TukBall phenomenon that we have had enforced upon us by Misbah and Waqar

We are cursed with Rizwan and Babar as our T20 openers
 
but the short answer is no, to play like England u need to give players massive confidence that medium-term failures will be tolerated for long-term gains

this goes against the pakistani psyche where anyone who acts against the grain is destroyed unless they maintain impossibly consistent success from the get-go

also pakistan dont have hitters like bairstow and stokes who have hit high s/r innings in long-form cricket. u put someone like fakhar in at 5, 3 or 4 failures after opposition bring on spinners to bog him down and he'll have not only his test, but his limited-overs career ruined too.
 
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Rana said:
Right now, we will need a complete overhaul to get out of the TukBall phenomenon that we have had enforced upon us by Misbah and Waqar

We are cursed with Rizwan and Babar as our T20 openers
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Exactly.

Look at the contrast in fortunes from 2013 CT to the 2017 CT. Both tournaments were held in England. The former was led by tuk tuk and resulted in an embarrassing group stage exit with 100% losses.

Without the tuk tuk master and leap of faith from a progressive set-up, Pakistan managed to win the CT in the next edition.

We're seeing the results for England with their change in approach.

Pakistan needs to eliminate the TukBall culture if there are to progress from here.

Look at the contrast
 
England have the players, we don’t. There will be no point in watching eleven Shahid Afridi’s flailing around every ball trying to match the ‘Bazball’ philosophy.
 
I think only Australia can implement Bazball. Other teams probably can't.

Shahid Afridi used to do "Bazball" but he was inconsistent.
 
You have to have the right players for it and players who are capable of batting this way.

Abid Ali, Imam, Fawad Alam, Azhar Ali? I don't think they can bat the way Stokes, Bairstow do. They never have and it would be impossible to get them to bat like that on a regular basis.
 
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If Pakistan are to implement Bazball, they need to get Sharjeel, Khushdil, Faheem Ashraf, and Asif Ali in the Test team.
 
Saqball if it is such a thing has to try and fight off the aptly named misball before it can exist.
 
MenInG said:
"Bazball" seems to be the buzz word at the moment and appears to indicate a no-nonsense/no fear approach to cricket.

Can Pakistan also adopt this? "Saqball" perhaps?
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Saqball already implemented by scoring at snail pace
 
Rana said:
Right now, we will need a complete overhaul to get out of the TukBall phenomenon that we have had enforced upon us by Misbah and Waqar

We are cursed with Rizwan and Babar as our T20 openers
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Yes because we should try a fat fixer sharjeel and a failed t20 opener in fakhar who’s has tons of chances as an opener.
 
We are playing good cricket under Saqlain - to the best of our limitations. 2021 World T20 SF was a good result and the home loss to Australia was disappointing but expected given our weak Test team.

Saqlain needs more time - the LOI team seems to be gelling nicely
 
sindhiboy said:
Pakistan desperately needs mccullum as coach
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I think he's going to be the one to break our WC drought. Got us to our first final, the house he built then made the following WC Final again only to fall agonizingly short. Almost seems destined to get it done as coach.
 
Usman Chadda said:
England have the players, we don’t. There will be no point in watching eleven Shahid Afridi’s flailing around every ball trying to match the ‘Bazball’ philosophy.
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It's the more dynamic middle order that plays that way, the top order is positive that's it. Think us and Aus could do the same.
 
It might not be able to be directly replicated in conditions with lesser pace in the wicket and offering more with older ball (Like most subcontinental wickets) however, yes the intent can be replicated with a balanced approach.

Australia I believe has played on occasions like this and has the potential to play that brand of test cricket however, don't think any other team has the kind of players required in enough number. Thing is its not just hitting the ball around rather hitting the ball around with high probability shots on consistent basis. Not many players have the ability to do that.

While England has been exceptional, I would say lets give this strategy a chance to grow across different conditions and which want be as easy I believe. Yes, intent as mentioned can be replicated but it wont necessarily be translated to 4-5 RPO in tests (More like what Aus has done in recent Pak and now Srl tour, intent was there but RR was more like 3-3.5).
 
You have to have free-flowing batters who are mentally tough and technically capable.

Does Pakistan have such players in the red ball format?
 
Saj said:
You have to have free-flowing batters who are mentally tough and technically capable.

Does Pakistan have such players in the red ball format?
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Pak don’t play like that in white ball cricket, red ball it’s out the question. Mickey at least had a vision for what our modern batting should be so there was a focus on improving that area.

Mentality is important to and the vision of coaches can have a big effect
 
It’s not about the type of players it’s about the attitude and mentality.

You may not get the effect of a bairstow, but at international level, surely you can rotate the strike etc. Asif Iqbal and Javed Miandad used to run the opposition ragged just by their running between the wickets.

And let’s also not forget the England openers who have been criticised all summer as not being good enough, came out and executed bazball which set up the victory against india.

It’s not quality, or ability, it’s mentality.
 
TheSultan said:
It’s not about the type of players it’s about the attitude and mentality.

You may not get the effect of a bairstow, but at international level, surely you can rotate the strike etc. Asif Iqbal and Javed Miandad used to run the opposition ragged just by their running between the wickets.

And let’s also not forget the England openers who have been criticised all summer as not being good enough, came out and executed bazball which set up the victory against india.

It’s not quality, or ability, it’s mentality.
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Yes. Cricket is played in the head.
 
sindhiboy said:
Pakistan desperately needs mccullum as coach
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Aman said:
I think he's going to be the one to break our WC drought. Got us to our first final, the house he built then made the following WC Final again only to fall agonizingly short. Almost seems destined to get it done as coach.
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Hands off chaps, he’s not going anywhere lol.
 
James said:
Yes. Cricket is played in the head.
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Exactly - and this is what frustrates me - a lot of the PCB management as well as our fans hide behind this “well we don’t have the players, so let’s just accept our fate and give up”.

You just need to change your mentality. Yes there needs to be some realism, so don’t expect absolute destruction like Bairstow or Pant, but surely you can have a more positive approach than the default 30 S/R rubbish.
 
Well so far in Sri Lanka it has been BakwasBall.
 
Saqball indeed, suck the life out of inns with tuk tuk.
 
TheSultan said:
Exactly - and this is what frustrates me - a lot of the PCB management as well as our fans hide behind this “well we don’t have the players, so let’s just accept our fate and give up”.

You just need to change your mentality. Yes there needs to be some realism, so don’t expect absolute destruction like Bairstow or Pant, but surely you can have a more positive approach than the default 30 S/R rubbish.
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Bairstow debuted in 2012 and has an average of 37 with a strike rate of 57. He's now playing Bazzball after 10 years of international cricket. The problem with Pakistan is that we would have never accepted average stats like that for 10 years. We simply don't have the patience to implement a positive approach.
 
daytrader said:
Bairstow debuted in 2012 and has an average of 37 with a strike rate of 57. He's now playing Bazzball after 10 years of international cricket. The problem with Pakistan is that we would have never accepted average stats like that for 10 years. We simply don't have the patience to implement a positive approach.
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Sorry, we do accept it. Azhar has similar average to this with a much worse strike rate and our fans love it. People are defending him to this day.
 
Hard to believe how come a fraud like Saqlain got the top job? Ramiz needs to answer otherwise he needs to be removed for employing a good for nothing guy and pay millions.
 
daytrader said:
Bairstow debuted in 2012 and has an average of 37 with a strike rate of 57. He's now playing Bazzball after 10 years of international cricket. The problem with Pakistan is that we would have never accepted average stats like that for 10 years. We simply don't have the patience to implement a positive approach.
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Go check the Azhar Ali thread and ul see clowns defending a player with a similar pathetic average.
 
Bump!
Any takers still for Saqball? Especially if we chase this!
 
If Saqi picked this team, he needs to be sacked. A terrible selection, one of the worst I have seen in my time watching cricket.
 
msb314 said:
If we win this test - all will be forgiven :)
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Not by me. I am not into coaches as they do little or nothing but whoever selects the team has to know more than your average fan. The win, if it comes will come inspire of this idiotic selection not because of it
 
Bewal Express said:
Not by me. I am not into coaches as they do little or nothing but whoever selects the team has to know more than your average fan. The win, if it comes will come inspire of this idiotic selection not because of it
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Agreed a pathetic team has been selected.
 
If we win which I highly doubt since we are 1 wicket away from collapse nothing should be forgiven especially the selection blunders.
 
The selection of the team was pathetic and will be scrutinised even further if they loose.
 
Bump!
Has anyone changed their mind on Saqball?
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pakistan ko Mubarak ho! This team has many superstars and they give their all for our beloved Pakistan.<br><br>This is from day 3 - our game plan in this historic chase. Lets give it to <a href="https://twitter.com/Saqlain_Mushtaq?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Saqlain_Mushtaq</a>, Shahid Aslam, <a href="https://twitter.com/yousaf1788?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@yousaf1788</a> bhai & entire management for this motivation & yaqeen. <a href="https://t.co/HQYGwWPAsl">pic.twitter.com/HQYGwWPAsl</a></p>— Muhammad Rizwan (@iMRizwanPak) <a href="https://twitter.com/iMRizwanPak/status/1549716693362085889?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 20, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
MenInG said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pakistan ko Mubarak ho! This team has many superstars and they give their all for our beloved Pakistan.<br><br>This is from day 3 - our game plan in this historic chase. Lets give it to <a href="https://twitter.com/Saqlain_Mushtaq?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Saqlain_Mushtaq</a>, Shahid Aslam, <a href="https://twitter.com/yousaf1788?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@yousaf1788</a> bhai & entire management for this motivation & yaqeen. <a href="https://t.co/HQYGwWPAsl">pic.twitter.com/HQYGwWPAsl</a></p>— Muhammad Rizwan (@iMRizwanPak) <a href="https://twitter.com/iMRizwanPak/status/1549716693362085889?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 20, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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So i take it that Azhar Ali cant read the message written on the white board?
 
Seems to be well-liked by the players, Saqlain should stay on...

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MenInG said:
and we have some results to show for it also
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Coaching / game plans etc.. was poor during Aussie test series. Even in this test match the execution of some aspects of game were poor. Yes its ultimately down to the players but are think tank is a poor. Im sure saqi also has some say along with babar on final 11 which was very poor.
 
And now we have chance to see how the 2 compare!
 
Pakistani wickets are not like the spinning minefields you see in India, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and neither do they spin like the UAE.

Pakistani wickets for the most part have usually been on the lower, slower, dead side and these wickets aid reverse swing later on around the 35-40 over mark.

Even if the wickets did aid spin, Pakistan does not have quality spinners.

Pakistan's pace attack in test cricket has not produced results and the abscence of Shaheen makes the attack look even worse.

I see no problems for England in adopting the Bazball approach on the Pakistani wickets.
 
Yes indeed it is Sucball a pop gun attack if you check our spinners we can't survive Bazball
 
Saqlain’s personality is not conductive to it. He’s a very hands off coach who lets the captain do the shot calling.

Babar is always too tense and uptight to instill an aggressive approach. He may do it in ODIs as that’s the format where he has the most confidence.

T20s and tests? Not sure.

Need an Aussie coach for that.
 
Eng 160/0 after 24 overs at RR of 6.66. Really hard to imagine Pakistan having a start like that.
 
Saqlain is not bowling to McCullum.

Irrespective of the pitch, if your bowling concedes 170 in a session it's a laanat on your bowlers, their lines, lengths, discipline.
 
This wasn't just BazBall, this was torturing the opposition bowlers.

This was punishing the opposition and not removing the foot off the throat.
 
daytrader said:
Eng 160/0 after 24 overs at RR of 6.66. Really hard to imagine Pakistan having a start like that.
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How can they? Look at their top 3 and their strike rates

Abdullah Shafique 39
Imam 44
Azhar 41
 
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Rana said:
How can they? Look at their top 3 and their strike rates

Abdullah Shafique 39
Imam 44
Azhar 41
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I mean even Haseeb Hameed who has a test match strike rate of 32 was able to play at a SR of 84 in a practice game. The power of BazBall holds no bounds :bm
 
CadPakFan said:
I mean even Haseeb Hameed who has a test match strike rate of 32 was able to play at a SR of 84 in a practice game. The power of BazBall holds no bounds :bm
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Pata chal jaye ga

They will most likely in at the crease some time tomorrow around tea
 
Our batters are too negative minded. They don't have the ability to play how the English batsmen did.
 
Pakistani Bazball

1. Sharjeel Khan
2. Fakhar Zaman
3. M. Hurraira
3. Babar Azam
4. Azam Khan
5. Shadab Khan(c)
6. Umar Akmal
7. Fahim Ashraf
8. Mohammed Wasim Jr
9. Hasan Ali
10. Yasir Shah
11. Shaheen Afridi
 
ghaint said:
1. Sharjeel Khan
2. Fakhar Zaman
3. M. Hurraira
3. Babar Azam
4. Azam Khan
5. Shadab Khan(c)
6. Umar Akmal
7. Fahim Ashraf
8. Mohammed Wasim Jr
9. Hasan Ali
10. Yasir Shah
11. Shaheen Afridi
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Thiswill be one of the worst batting lineups in the world. What the hell is this.
 
Pakistan Head Coach Grant Bradburn

"We’re not looking to sit back and wait for bowlers to bowl badly, we’re looking to be aggressive”
 
MenInG said:
Pakistan Head Coach Grant Bradburn

"We’re not looking to sit back and wait for bowlers to bowl badly, we’re looking to be aggressive”
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Let me tell you what each batsman is waiting for:

Imam: Fakhar Zaman to hit the odd boundary in the over whilst Imam can carry on his merry way

Fakhar: Good mindset, but hoping that the right arm off spinner pitches the ball in the slot around the wicket

Babar: Good player at number 3, but someone else to do the heavy lifting if the rate reaches 8+ an over

Rizwan: the 5th/6th bowler to move across his stumps and hoick to deep square leg. (The story of his life)

Iftikhar: slot balls only please

Salman Agha: Good player in general, hasn’t played much to make a complete judgement

Harris: innovative, he isn’t die wondering

Shadab: spinners to pitch it full in his arc, hoping for the best against pacers

Shaheen: decent hitter for a tailender
 
Rana said:
Let me tell you what each batsman is waiting for:

Imam: Fakhar Zaman to hit the odd boundary in the over whilst Imam can carry on his merry way

Fakhar: Good mindset, but hoping that the right arm off spinner pitches the ball in the slot around the wicket

Babar: Good player at number 3, but someone else to do the heavy lifting if the rate reaches 8+ an over

Rizwan: the 5th/6th bowler to move across his stumps and hoick to deep square leg. (The story of his life)

Iftikhar: slot balls only please

Salman Agha: Good player in general, hasn’t played much to make a complete judgement

Harris: innovative, he isn’t die wondering

Shadab: spinners to pitch it full in his arc, hoping for the best against pacers

Shaheen: decent hitter for a tailender
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Rana let's not be so cynical. I was very skeptical of this "Pakistan Way" talk heading into the Sri Lanka tour but that was the most positive and complete performance over a Test series from a Pakistan side (or any side for that matter) I'd seen for many years.

The previous two coaching regimes just winged it series-by-series relying on qudrat ka nizam with no coherent plan for success. It won't always come off but at least this regime is defining a clear style of play. What's more - I'm actually excited for our games now unlike much of 2019-2022.
 
Markhor said:
Rana let's not be so cynical. I was very skeptical of this "Pakistan Way" talk heading into the Sri Lanka tour but that was the most positive and complete performance over a Test series from a Pakistan side (or any side for that matter) I'd seen for many years.

The previous two coaching regimes just winged it series-by-series relying on qudrat ka nizam with no coherent plan for success. It won't always come off but at least this regime is defining a clear style of play. What's more - I'm actually excited for our games now unlike much of 2019-2022.
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Which is fair enough

Will wait and see how we fare in this very busy period until Australia Test series.
 
Pakistan would probably the last team to play that type of cricket. The first aim of most Pakistani batters is to score enough runs to cement their place for the next match and then they will try to play big shots.
 
Pak trying to Bazball will result in 36 allout or 100 all out.
Should rather focus on strengths which is good bowling and address the weakpoint which is bad selection and fitness
 
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