Can India field a 2nd International XI ?

[Aman]

if population were everything, china would also be in the top 5 cricket teams

and we can put up 10 teams if all 10 teams get exposure to international cricket. i posted 4 teams above & all 4 of them will thrash teams like sri lanka, west indies, new zealand, bangladesh, zimbabwe, ireland & also the current australian team

the top 2 teams will thrash england, south africa & pakistan easily

China couldn't give 2 ~censored~ about cricket, It would be awesome if they did it would be amazing seeing the BCCI getting pushed around to get a taste of their own medicine

 

[Anfield]

Well if India had been that good they would not have lost a series against Pakistan in their own backyard, Asia Cup, Tri-nation series in Australia where they even failed to make to the finals, and a series in England where they couldn't even win a single game.

 

[Aman]

Well if India had been that good they would not have lost a series against Pakistan in their own backyard, Asia Cup, Tri-nation series in Australia where they even failed to make to the finals, and a series in England where they couldn't even win a single game.

Over rated, they have everything in there favor and are still pretty ordinary. There wins in CT and WC are more because the of declining quality of opposition than actual superiority.

 

[yadunoe]

Just imagine the second string Pakistan batsmen.. ) )
Won't survive 30 overs.

lool not as bad as the 2nd string indian bowlers they would probably go for 400 runs every game lol

 

[yadunoe]

Well if India had been that good they would not have lost a series against Pakistan in their own backyard, Asia Cup, Tri-nation series in Australia where they even failed to make to the finals, and a series in England where they couldn't even win a single game.

exactly on paper right now the pak team is stronger then indians especially if bastman get some more maturity then its no contest . Indians will **** their pants when the see NJ on sub continent pitch lol

 

[gabbarsingh]

Well if India had been that good they would not have lost a series against Pakistan in their own backyard, Asia Cup, Tri-nation series in Australia where they even failed to make to the finals, and a series in England where they couldn't even win a single game.

Not the same set of players anymore. They were dropped after being out of form. Dhawan, Jadeja, Rohit, B Kumar are making the difference. Kohli, Ashwin, Ishant, Umesh are also doing well. Dhoni has always been consistent.

There is a vast gap between India and the rest of the teams in ODI cricket.

 

[gabbarsingh]

exactly on paper right now the pak team is stronger then indians especially if bastman get some more maturity then its no contest . Indians will **** their pants when the see NJ on sub continent pitch lol

I hope this is a joke. Pak team is stronger ? Whatever helps you sleep at night. There is a reason why Pak is ranked 6 or 7 in ODIs. Batting, fielding is crap and bowling is vastly overrated. Sri Lanka, England are much better teams. No comparison with India.

 

[Anfield]

Not the same set of players anymore. They were dropped after being out of form. Dhawan, Jadeja, Rohit, B Kumar are making the difference. Kohli, Ashwin, Ishant, Umesh are also doing well. Dhoni has always been consistent.

There is a vast gap between India and the rest of the teams in ODI cricket.

You can make all the excuses you want but come back when you have the results to show the gap between India and rest of the world in ODI cricket. If a mediocre team like Pakistan can beat your team in your own backyard then any one can. And I truly believe Pakistan is an ordinary ODI team.

 

[gabbarsingh]

You can make all the excuses you want but come back when you have the results to show the gap between India and rest of the world in ODI cricket. If a mediocre team like Pakistan can beat your team in your own backyard then any one can. And I truly believe Pakistan is an ordinary ODI team.

I dont have to make excuses for a champions side. The records speak for themselves.

India is World Cup Champions, Champions Trophy winners, No 1 in ODI rankings and have been consistent performers in ODI cricket in last 5 years. Check the stats first.

So what if India lose a couple of ODIs against Pakistan ? India leads 5-2 against Pak in this decade so far. India beat Pak in Asia Cup 2010, World Cup 2011, Champions Trophy, Asia Cup 2012.

India has won 10 out of 12 ODIs against SL.

I would say India could field a second string side and still perform quite well because of the bench strength.

 

[Singham]

You can make all the excuses you want but come back when you have the results to show the gap between India and rest of the world in ODI cricket. If a mediocre team like Pakistan can beat your team in your own backyard then any one can. And I truly believe Pakistan is an ordinary ODI team.

U guys won 2-1. Its not like u guys won it 3-0 and 2-0 in t20s. The real score was 2-1 and 1-1 in t 20s. Overall u guys won one freaking match more than us. Lol. Its not total domination. If u want to know domination, see how many matches we won against PAk in recent years. Now don't u show the overall record. India these days are miles ahead of pak.

 

[Sidilicious]

You can make all the excuses you want but come back when you have the results to show the gap between India and rest of the world in ODI cricket. If a mediocre team like Pakistan can beat your team in your own backyard then any one can. And I truly believe Pakistan is an ordinary ODI team.

ummmmm...we have the results to prove it.

The last time I checked, India had the world cup, champions trophy and world no.1.

When it comes to ODI cricket, we are top doggs. Our batting is strong enough, that our 2nd XI will compete with most of the world (exception being SA and Eng).

Paksitan had a good series against us, but since then we have made changes to our team, which has led to an improvement in our results.

 

[IndianWillow]

Well you have the biggest population of the playing countries and only play one sport.. You should be in all reality be able to post 10-20 XI's..

Ha, the population argument strikes again. That kind of population is good only for one thing - for producing more and more people.

 

[Sidilicious]

But we didn't
We got robbed in 2007, were beaten by a better team in 2003 and were screwed by Suzie in 1995.

HA! Even Lions legends were talking about how they would of gotten smashed by the ABs and how fortunate they were to win, heck if Beale hadn't slipped in the first game you guys would of gone 24 years without a series win. The core for your team (Wales) have never beaten the AB's before either

Robbed??? France beat you fair and square. As they did you 2 of the 3 world cups before that.

Doesnt matter if Wales haven't beaten you recently (they have beaten you before. Didnt they win the very first match or something) we will beat you in 2017. And Beale's slip.....luck favours the brave....And there is a reason why it rarely favours the AB.

 

[Aman]

Robbed??? France beat you fair and square. As they did you 2 of the 3 world cups before that.

Doesnt matter if Wales haven't beaten you recently (they have beaten you before. Didnt they win the very first match or something) we will beat you in 2017. And Beale's slip.....luck favours the brave....And there is a reason why it rarely favours the AB.

))
Didn't you see the 2m forward pass?...

Nvm it was Ireland that has never beaten us before, Wales haven't beaten us since 1953 )

As for beating us keep dreaming the only teams that will push us are SA and Australia, and it's likely we will only have to play one of them to retain.

 

[Aman]

Ha, the population argument strikes again. That kind of population is good only for one thing - for producing more and more people.

Works well for China in the Olympics

 

[Sidilicious]

))
Didn't you see the 2m forward pass?...

Nvm it was Ireland that has never beaten us before, Wales haven't beaten us since 1953 )

I knew you were going to come up with that excuse. But you also had a forward pass in one of your tries (I think it was the 1st).

And yes, that thug of yours who was sin binned, deserved to be. Did he not also miss a conversion )

 

[Sidilicious]

Works well for China in the Olympics

There are other reasons why China does well. Its a communist nation, and is able to do as it likes. So, it puts more money towards infrastructure and forcing players w/out the criticism. India, on the other hand is a democracy, and any move or decisions is scrutinised by the media and the opposition.

Also, have you heard of GDP per capita, and Human Development Index. A small nation like NZ, is far ahead of India. Even though India is improving in this count, it will be another 20-30 years before we start getting into top 10 of the olympics.

With the boom in economy, things are improving. Being a democracy, it takes a little longer for the results to show.

The problem with such forums is that people can take one point and shout over the top with it, without realising that its not factor that affects the results of a nation.

 

[Aman]

I knew you were going to come up with that excuse. But you also had a forward pass in one of your tries (I think it was the 1st).

And yes, that thug of yours who was sin binned, deserved to be. Did he not also miss a conversion.

W.E. man our record speaks for itself, how many other rugby teams in the world have been nominated for a Laureus award before?

 

[Sidilicious]

W.E. man our record speaks for itself, how many other rugby teams in the world have been nominated for a Laureus award before?

No doubts your quality.

So, you agree that ABs also got the help of the forward pass?
and yah, you lot are still chokers

 

[Aman]

still chokers though

How can we still be considered chokers when we've already won everything there is to win?...

 

[Sidilicious]

How can we still be considered chokers when we've already won everything there is to win?...

so, you agree that france beat you fair and square in 2007>

 

[Sidilicious]

How can we still be considered chokers when we've already won everything there is to win?...

Look up choking in wikipedia, then go to rugby union. There is only one team who have been given that tag.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choke_(sports)#Rugby_Union

 

[Aman]

There are other reasons why China does well. Its a communist nation, and is able to do as it likes. So, it puts more money towards infrastructure and forcing players w/out the criticism. India, on the other hand is a democracy, and any move or decisions is scrutinised by the media and the opposition.

Also, have you heard of GDP per capita, and Human Development Index. A small nation like NZ, is far ahead of India. Even though India is improving in this count, it will be another 20-30 years before we start getting into top 10 of the olympics.

With the boom in economy, things are improving. Being a democracy, it takes a little longer for the results to show.

The problem with such forums is that people can take one point and shout over the top with it, without realising that its not factor that affects the results of a nation.

Government expenditure on such facilities and what not is obviously a factor but it's a bit big headed to think population size is not a factor. You can't expect to do well in more than one sport without a decent population size, you can't expect to find 11 or 15 world beaters in a population of 4.5m with 2-3 sports of interest the chances are dramatically smaller than say a country with a population of 1 billion with one sport of interest. NZ are overachievers, whereas India are underachievers when it comes to sport because they overcome these odds and compete admirably at the world stage.

 

[Aman]

so, you agree that france beat you fair and square in 2007>

They didn't but you're not going to admit it... Didn't we smash them by 60 about 6 months later?...

 

[Sidilicious]

Government expenditure on such facilities and what not is obviously a factor but it's a bit big headed to think population size is not a factor. You can't expect to do well in more than one sport without a decent population size, you can't expect to find 11 or 15 world beaters in a population of 4.5m with 2-3 sports of interest the chances are dramatically smaller than say a country with a population of 1 billion with one sport of interest. NZ are overachievers, whereas India are underachievers when it comes to sport.

Thats because Aussies, and to a smaller extent Kiwis and the English have a great sporting culture. That culture is missing in India. But, slowly but surely it is growing. As I said, give it another 20-30 years, and you will see a marked improvement in our performances in the olympics. And probably even football and tennis.

 

[silent ischemia]

Domination over Pak a total DELUSION

U guys won 2-1. Its not like u guys won it 3-0 and 2-0 in t20s. The real score was 2-1 and 1-1 in t 20s. Overall u guys won one freaking match more than us. Lol. Its not total domination. If u want to know domination, see how many matches we won against PAk in recent years. Now don't u show the overall record. India these days are miles ahead of pak.

Now somebody was talking about Indian domination over Pakistan in last few years. Ok forget aboy the overall record..... take a look at odis between the two in last 10 years....
Its neck n neck Ind 20 wins Pak 19

SO this the DELUSION the Indians are in. Pak may be 6th in odis or 5th in tests but when it comes to india, gives every thing...

13 Mar 2004 India
5 runs National Stadium, Karachi


16 Mar 2004 Pakistan
12 runs Rawalpindi Cricket Stadium


19 Mar 2004 Pakistan
4 wickets Arbab Niaz Stadium, Peshawar


21 Mar 2004 India
5 wickets Gaddafi Stadium, Lahore


24 Mar 2004 India
40 runs Gaddafi Stadium, Lahore


Jul 2004 Pakistan
59 runs R. Premadasa Stadium, Colombo

21 Aug 2004 Pakistan
66 runs (D/L) VRA Cricket Ground, Amstelveen

19 Sep 2004 Pakistan
3 wickets Edgbaston, Birmingha


13 Nov 2004 Pakistan
6 wickets Eden Gardens, Kolkata


2 Apr 2005 India
87 runs Nehru Stadium, Kochi


5 Apr 2005 India
58 runs ACA-VDCA Stadium, Visakhapatnam


9 Apr 2005 Pakistan
106 runs Keenan Stadium, Jamshedpur


12 Apr 2005 Pakistan
3 wickets Sardar Patel Stadium, Ahmedabad


15 Apr 2005 Pakistan
5 wickets Green Park Stadium, Kanpur


17 Apr 2005 Pakistan
159 runs Feroz Shah Kotla, Delhi


6 Feb 2006 Pakistan
7 runs (D/L) Arbab Niaz Stadium, Peshawar


11 Feb 2006 India
7 wickets Rawalpindi Cricket Stadium


13 Feb 2006 India
5 wickets Gaddafi Stadium, Lahore

16 Feb 2006 India
5 wickets Multan Cricket Stadium

19 Feb 2006 India
8 wickets National Stadium, Karachi

18 Apr 2006 Pakistan
6 wickets Sheikh Zayed Cricket Stadium, Abu Dhabi

19 Apr 2006 India
51 runs Sheikh Zayed Cricket Stadium, Abu Dhabi

5 Nov 2007 India
5 wickets Nehru Stadium, Guwahati

8 Nov 2007 Pakistan
4 wickets PCA Stadium, Mohali

11 Nov 2007 India
46 runs Green Park Stadium, Kanpur

15 Nov 2007 India
6 wickets Roop Singh Stadium, Gwalior

18 Nov 2007 Pakistan
31 runs Sawai Mansingh Stadium, Jaipur

10 Jun 2008 India
140 runs Sher-e-Bangla Cricket Stadium, Dhaka
Virender Sehwag (IND), 89

14 Jun 2008 Pakistan
25 runs Sher-e-Bangla Cricket Stadium, Dhaka
Younis Khan (PAK), 108


26 Jun 2008 India
6 wickets National Stadium, Karachi

2 Jul 2008 Pakistan
8 wickets National Stadium, Karachi

26 Sep 2009 Pakistan
54 runs SuperSport Park, Centurion

19 Jun 2010 India
3 wickets Rangiri Dambulla International Stadium

30 Mar 2011 India
29 runs PCA Stadium, Mohali

18 Mar 2012 India
6 wickets Sher-e-Bangla Cricket Stadium, Mirpur

30 Dec 2012 Pakistan
6 wickets M. A. Chidambaram Stadium, Chennai

3 Jan 2013 Pakistan
85 runs Eden Gardens, Kolkata


124
6 Jan 2013 India
10 runs Feroz Shah Kotla, Delhi

15 Jun 2013 India
8 wickets (D/L) Edgbaston, Birmingham

 

[Aman]

Thats because Aussies, and to a smaller extent Kiwis and the English have a great sporting culture. That culture is missing in India. But, slowly but surely it is growing. As I said, give it another 20-30 years, and you will see a marked improvement in our performances in the olympics. And probably even football and tennis.

We're better than Australia and England when it comes to sport... England are all talk and leech off others success while Australia are just plain rubbish now..

 

[Sidilicious]

We're better than Australia and England when it comes to sport... England are all talk and leech off others success and Australia are just plain rubbish now..

ha ha ha. Other than RU, which other sport do you dominate?

I agree that you punch above your weight in most sports, but you dont dominate.

And lets face it, you still wont beat the aussies in cricket.

 

[Sidilicious]

You can make all the excuses you want but come back when you have the results to show the gap between India and rest of the world in ODI cricket. If a mediocre team like Pakistan can beat your team in your own backyard then any one can. And I truly believe Pakistan is an ordinary ODI team.

Suarez to be a gooner next season )

 

[Aman]

ha ha ha. Other than RU, which other sport do you dominate?

I agree that you punch above your weight in most sports, but you dont dominate.

And lets face it, you still wont beat the aussies in cricket.

We've already beat Australia in cricket, we're RL champions as well as softball world champions and I hear we do quite well in the Americas cup as well.

 

[silent ischemia]

We've already beat Australia in cricket, we're RL champions as well as softball world champions.

Well the kiwis didnt lose to england at home..... somebody did

 

[Sidilicious]

We've already beat Australia in cricket, we're RL champions as well as softball world champions and I hear we do quite well in the Americas cup as well.

if you are going to use softball, then we are kabaddi world champions

 

[Singham]

Now somebody was talking about Indian domination over Pakistan in last few years. Ok forget aboy the overall record..... take a look at odis between the two in last 10 years....
Its neck n neck Ind 20 wins Pak 19

SO this the DELUSION the Indians are in. Pak may be 6th in odis or 5th in tests but when it comes to india, gives every thing...

13 Mar 2004 India
5 runs National Stadium, Karachi


16 Mar 2004 Pakistan
12 runs Rawalpindi Cricket Stadium


19 Mar 2004 Pakistan
4 wickets Arbab Niaz Stadium, Peshawar


21 Mar 2004 India
5 wickets Gaddafi Stadium, Lahore


24 Mar 2004 India
40 runs Gaddafi Stadium, Lahore


Jul 2004 Pakistan
59 runs R. Premadasa Stadium, Colombo

21 Aug 2004 Pakistan
66 runs (D/L) VRA Cricket Ground, Amstelveen

19 Sep 2004 Pakistan
3 wickets Edgbaston, Birmingha


13 Nov 2004 Pakistan
6 wickets Eden Gardens, Kolkata


2 Apr 2005 India
87 runs Nehru Stadium, Kochi


5 Apr 2005 India
58 runs ACA-VDCA Stadium, Visakhapatnam


9 Apr 2005 Pakistan
106 runs Keenan Stadium, Jamshedpur


12 Apr 2005 Pakistan
3 wickets Sardar Patel Stadium, Ahmedabad


15 Apr 2005 Pakistan
5 wickets Green Park Stadium, Kanpur


17 Apr 2005 Pakistan
159 runs Feroz Shah Kotla, Delhi


6 Feb 2006 Pakistan
7 runs (D/L) Arbab Niaz Stadium, Peshawar


11 Feb 2006 India
7 wickets Rawalpindi Cricket Stadium


13 Feb 2006 India
5 wickets Gaddafi Stadium, Lahore

16 Feb 2006 India
5 wickets Multan Cricket Stadium

19 Feb 2006 India
8 wickets National Stadium, Karachi

18 Apr 2006 Pakistan
6 wickets Sheikh Zayed Cricket Stadium, Abu Dhabi

19 Apr 2006 India
51 runs Sheikh Zayed Cricket Stadium, Abu Dhabi

5 Nov 2007 India
5 wickets Nehru Stadium, Guwahati

8 Nov 2007 Pakistan
4 wickets PCA Stadium, Mohali

11 Nov 2007 India
46 runs Green Park Stadium, Kanpur

15 Nov 2007 India
6 wickets Roop Singh Stadium, Gwalior

18 Nov 2007 Pakistan
31 runs Sawai Mansingh Stadium, Jaipur

10 Jun 2008 India
140 runs Sher-e-Bangla Cricket Stadium, Dhaka
Virender Sehwag (IND), 89

14 Jun 2008 Pakistan
25 runs Sher-e-Bangla Cricket Stadium, Dhaka
Younis Khan (PAK), 108


26 Jun 2008 India
6 wickets National Stadium, Karachi

2 Jul 2008 Pakistan
8 wickets National Stadium, Karachi

26 Sep 2009 Pakistan
54 runs SuperSport Park, Centurion

19 Jun 2010 India
3 wickets Rangiri Dambulla International Stadium

30 Mar 2011 India
29 runs PCA Stadium, Mohali

18 Mar 2012 India
6 wickets Sher-e-Bangla Cricket Stadium, Mirpur

30 Dec 2012 Pakistan
6 wickets M. A. Chidambaram Stadium, Chennai

3 Jan 2013 Pakistan
85 runs Eden Gardens, Kolkata


124
6 Jan 2013 India
10 runs Feroz Shah Kotla, Delhi

15 Jun 2013 India
8 wickets (D/L) Edgbaston, Birmingham

Recent times means not 10 years man. Its a decade. lol. Most of the2003 players are not playing anymore on both the teams. Take the results from say 2006. Its 15-9 in favour of India.

 

[IndianWillow]

Works well for China in the Olympics

China isn't a democracy and we can't use a gun to motivate our sportsmen.

 

[silent ischemia]

Recent times means not 10 years man. Its a decade. lol. Most of the2003 players are not playing anymore on both the teams. Take the results from say 2006. Its 15-9 in favour of India.

but i feel there should be atleast 40 0dd games to get some idea. 20-25 games arent a true reflection. Sample size is small. That will cause skewed deviation if you are a stat/research guy

 

[Singham]

but i feel there should be atleast 40 0dd games to get some idea. 20-25 games arent a true reflection. Sample size is small. That will cause skewed deviation if you are a stat/research guy

25 games are not enough? really. lol. Live in your bubble world. I can understand it is hard for pak fans to accept the fact that Indian team has dominated Pak in recent times, but that's how we felt when pak were dominating india. Its ur time to suffer.....

 

[Aman]

China isn't a democracy and we can't use a gun to motivate our sportsmen.

Well you're obviously poor at motivating, India's record at the Olympics is abysmal to say the least...

 

[Sidilicious]

Well you're obviously poor at motivating, India's record at the Olympics is abysmal to say the least...

If you want to see improvement, look at our improving record in commonwealth games. We have out performed the kiwis in the last 3 events. Given, it is not olympics, but its still a better result.

 

[Aman]

If you want to see improvement, look at our improving record in commonwealth games. We have out performed the kiwis in the last 3 events. Given, it is not olympics, but its still a better result.

Meaningless... we've beaten you at the real event - convincingly at that.

 

[Sidilicious]

Meaningless... we've beaten you at the real event - convincingly at that.

YEs, you have, and you will for a while. But in about 20 years, there will be no competition.

We will be les blues to your AB in the WCs.

 

[Aman]

YEs, you have, and you will for a while. But in about 20 years, there will be no competition.

We will be les blues to your AB in the WCs.

Doubt it, USA and China will dominate while we carry on picking up golds here and there. Business as usual.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

Cricket is a dying sport because of India... Competition drives success the boards of India, Australia and England have continuously oppressed the weaker boards to maintain an advantage (look at the number games these three play against each other and the number of games the other teams play)

I will agree the CA-ECB and now BCCI are guilty of only serving their personal interest but if cricket has to survive, the big 3 have to play a lot more vs each other simply because sponsors are willing to churn up any amount to get in their name. If I'm not wrong, there was a thread that Pak-WI series didn't have a MOTM sponsor.. that should be your answer as to why other teams play fewer games.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

You can make all the excuses you want but come back when you have the results to show the gap between India and rest of the world in ODI cricket. If a mediocre team like Pakistan can beat your team in your own backyard then any one can. And I truly believe Pakistan is an ordinary ODI team.

Well about how about this gap?

India - 3 ICC tourneys in the bag in last 5 years.. good enough? 1 in SA , 1 in Eng and 1 at home.

 

[Aman]

I will agree the CA-ECB and now BCCI are guilty of only serving their personal interest but if cricket has to survive, the big 3 have to play a lot more vs each other simply because sponsors are willing to churn up any amount to get in their name. If I'm not wrong, there was a thread that Pak-WI series didn't have a MOTM sponsor.. that should be your answer as to why other teams play fewer games.

BS - short term pain for long term gain. Cricket isn't sustainable in its current state, you can't expect the big 3 to hold and provide for cricket forever eventually other teams will slowly fold leaving only the big 3 to play each other for some meaningless trophy they make up.

 

[salahudin]

team 4:

jiwanjot singh
vijay zol
manpreet juneja
manish pandey
saurabh tiwary
sanju samson (w)
yusuf pathan
irfan pathan (would have been in team 2)
ishwar pandey
manpreet gony
shahbaz nadeem

teams 2-4 good enough to beat all international teams ranked below the top 4

These teams are not going to put up much of a fight if they were put up against international sides

Like this I can put up ten teams from Pakistan for instance player like khurram manzoor scored a unbeaten 200 against mumbai few years ago in the match between Pak domestic champions and Indians.

I have 'nt included so many players who have done ok in internationals like Yasser arafat, sohail tanvir , yasir hameed mansoor amjad

Pakistan has the most talent no doubt look at the cases of Mohammed irfan saeed ajmal and zulfiqar babar ,couldnt get in to the team unti now when theyr 30+

 

[salahudin]

pak second XI (ODIs)

1) Sharjeel khan
2) Azhar Ali (c)
3) Asad Shafiq
4) Babar Azam
5) Fawad Alam
6) Sohaib Maqsood
7) Mohammad Rizwan (wk)
8) Abdul Razzaq
9) Umar Gul
10) Ehsan Adil
11) Zulfiqar Babar

Pak third XI (ODIs)

1) Taufeeq Umar
2) Imran Farhat
3) Younis Khan (c)
4) Faisal Iqbal
5) Kamran Akmal (wk)
6) Shoaib Malik
7) Mohammad Nawaz
8) Anwer Ali
9) Sohail Tanvir
10) Raza Hasan
11) Aizaz Cheema

Pak fourth XI (ODIs)

1) Saad Nasim
2) Afaq Raheem
3) Khurram Manzoor
4) Khalid Latif
5) Usman Salahudin
6) Sarfraz Ahmed (wk)
7) Abdur Rehman
8) Yasir Arafat
9) Yasir Shah
10) Bilawal Bhatti
11) Rahat Ali


wait what was the point of this again?

1)Imran Nazir/ shahzaib Hasan
2)Yasir Hameed/ zain abbas
3)Mohammed Ayub
4)Mohammed Yousuf
5)Mansoor Amjad played one t20 too 3/3
6) Umar waheed
7)Zulqarnain haider/ Shakeel ansar
8)Azhar Mahmood / nayyer abbas
9)Sohail tanvir
10)Mohammed Salman left arm spin bowling average of 21
11)Ali imran Pasha/sohail khan 140+ bowlers

 

[ace58]

These teams are not going to put up much of a fight if they were put up against international sides

Like this I can put up ten teams from Pakistan for instance player like khurram manzoor scored a unbeaten 200 against mumbai few years ago in the match between Pak domestic champions and Indians.

I have 'nt included so many players who have done ok in internationals like Yasser arafat, sohail tanvir , yasir hameed mansoor amjad

Pakistan has the most talent no doubt look at the cases of Mohammed irfan saeed ajmal and zulfiqar babar ,couldnt get in to the team unti now when theyr 30+

He did but the pakistani team scored only 380 odd in reply to to 620 by the mumbai team.

Here's the 3 tests that the indian domestic teams played vs the pakistani domestic.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan/engine/match/260599.html

http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan/engine/match/309556.html

http://www.espncricinfo.com/indiandomestic2008/engine/match/368336.html

It looked like The Indian teams would have won the all matches pretty easily if they played the full 450 overs.

 

[malakian]

LOL

India can barely get 11 men on the field who can compete with us, let alone a 2nd XI.

Now England could field a 2nd XI side and beat everyone else, especially India. Look at James Taylor, can't get a game for us, smashes the highly rated Aus bowling attack all over the place.

 

[test_fan]

In ODIs yes. India A would be one of the top teams in ODIs, but not in test cricket.

 

[Ims1]

I have read a short article in which chandra bose said that India has enough talent at the moment to field a international quality 2xi side.

Any ideas what it would look like choosing players not in the current Idian squad

I reckon Pakistan could put out a better 2nd team then India

Sharjeel khan
Afaq raheem
Sohaib maqsood
Babar azam (c)
Navid yasin
Usman Salahuddin
Umar Saddiq(wk)
Anwar ali
Raza hasan
Imran Khan
Sadaf hussain

You should have sent the above team to CT , you would have won probably a match

 

[ace58]

LOL

India can barely get 11 men on the field who can compete with us, let alone a 2nd XI.

Now England could field a 2nd XI side and beat everyone else, especially India. Look at James Taylor, can't get a game for us, smashes the highly rated Aus bowling attack all over the place.

Yeah south Africa and England have a lot of cricketing depth. Ireland is producing some talent too.

 

[IndianWillow]

LOL

India can barely get 11 men on the field who can compete with us, let alone a 2nd XI.

Now England could field a 2nd XI side and beat everyone else, especially India. Look at James Taylor, can't get a game for us, smashes the highly rated Aus bowling attack all over the place.

At least all our players are born and bought up in India. You cant field an indigenous first XI, leave alone a second XI.

 

[ace58]

At least all our players are born and bought up in India. You cant field an indigenous first XI, leave alone a second XI.

True. If India started winning by fielding a bunch of sri lankan or pakistani players that are only playing for us because they couldn't get into their own national side I would not really care if india won or lost.

 

[Sidilicious]

Doubt it, USA and China will dominate while we carry on picking up golds here and there. Business as usual.

Not competing against USA and China. But competing against the other teams. I reckon, after 2-3 generations of sportsmen (20 years), we would be consistently in top 10 in the olympics.

Our culture will still not be as strong as the sporting culture in England and Australia, but there will be a considerable in the sporting culture, the govt. funding, and that will lead to an improved performance.

 

[IndianWillow]

Not competing against USA and China. But competing against the other teams. I reckon, after 2-3 generations of sportsmen (20 years), we would be consistently in top 10 in the olympics.

Our culture will still not be as strong as the sporting culture in England and Australia, but there will be a considerable in the sporting culture, the govt. funding, and that will lead to an improved performance.

There is already considerable Govt funding for sports in India - the funds don't reach the right people due to corruption. Unless this changes, I don't foresee much progress in our sporting culture. The corrupt people are walking away scot free after IPL fixing and I don't think we will see any difference in the immediate future.

 

[ace58]

True. If India started winning by fielding a bunch of sri lankan or pakistani players that are only playing for us because they couldn't get into their own national side I would not really care if india won or lost.

I actually take this back. The situation with the south Africans born English players is more complicated then I this.

 

[Sidilicious]

There is already considerable Govt funding for sports in India - the funds don't reach the right people due to corruption. Unless this changes, I don't foresee much progress in our sporting culture. The corrupt people are walking away scot free after IPL fixing and I don't think we will see any difference in the immediate future.

It will take 2-3 generations of school kids for the sporting culture to come into the schools. Currently, unless you are in the metros, there is not much encouragement for non-cricketing sports. Thats changing now.

As for corruption, sports is not the only thing affected by it. The fact is, the politicians are a reflection of the society. If a society is corrupt, then the politicians will be corrupt. If we ourselves do not change, are not prejudiced and are honest, our politicians will never be honest.

I had a similar discussion with a Pakistani mate who blamed the politicians for pakistan's mess. No, its the public whose reaction created the mess. Politicians took it to another level. Same with us.

But, in India there are more voices against corruption. Hopefully, this lead to self-cleansing as well.

 

[sachjinn]

ODIs
Can India field a top-team beating 2nd International XI?
No

Can India field a 2nd International XI?
Yes. They'd compete considering we've been fielding a 2nd International sort of bowling attack for years now.

People seem to have misunderstood the OP.

 

[TonyStark]

We have too much batting talent. But no bowling. Even our C teams batting is great.

 

[ace58]

It will take 2-3 generations of school kids for the sporting culture to come into the schools. Currently, unless you are in the metros, there is not much encouragement for non-cricketing sports. Thats changing now.

As for corruption, sports is not the only thing affected by it. The fact is, the politicians are a reflection of the society. If a society is corrupt, then the politicians will be corrupt. If we ourselves do not change, are not prejudiced and are honest, our politicians will never be honest.

I had a similar discussion with a Pakistani mate who blamed the politicians for pakistan's mess. No, its the public whose reaction created the mess. Politicians took it to another level. Same with us.

But, in India there are more voices against corruption. Hopefully, this lead to self-cleansing as well.

The main problem is that only 2% of Indians are middle class and probably only 1% of that 12% have access to western standards of sporting infrastructure because their spread out over india. Its pretty hard to care about sports if your living under 5.00 a day ect.

 

[TonyStark]

The main problem is that only 2% of Indians are middle class and probably only 1% of that 12% have access to western standards of sporting infrastructure because their spread out over india. Its pretty hard to care about sports if your living under 5.00 a day ect.

Lolz were did u get these stats from

 

[IndianWillow]

We have too much batting talent. But no bowling. Even our C teams batting is great.

We will know the depth of our batting talent when we tour SA.

 

[IndianWillow]

Lolz were did u get these stats from

What is wrong with that?
Per capita income of India is about Rs.6000/month. (USD 4/day)
http://www.business-standard.com/ar...ses-to-rs-5-729-per-month-113020700995_1.html

 

[ace58]

Lolz were did u get these stats from

according to world bank 96% of Indians live on less than 5.00 a day. The rest I just took an estimated guess.

 

[clickcricket]

When get out of your cave and do the math you can see Pak TestTeam was second best in the whole 90's,
Team Played Won Lost Win %
pak 53 32 21 60%
ind 38 18 20 47%
aus 79 54 25 68%
wi 58 30 28 52%

So opinions in particular like yours will always loose and data will always win....go eat your humble pie.

 

[clickcricket]

More example of Pakistani delusional thinking. Your first team in the 90s achieved squat (one flukey WC win, in which you were soundly thrashed by India, and well not much else), leave alone the second team.

90s were dominated by WI in the first half and Aus in the second half.

When get out of your cave and do the math you can see Pak TestTeam was second best in the whole 90's,
Team P Won Lost Win %
pak 53 32 21 60%
ind 38 18 20 47%
aus 79 54 25 68%
wi 58 30 28 52%

So opinions in particular like yours will always loose and data will always win....go eat your humble pie

 

[Finisher]

Their Second 11 would beat Pakistans First 11 in all formats
If we take Babar Azam and Shaheen out even their 3rd 11 would beat Pakistan in all formats