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Can Pakistan avoid a 0-3 Test series whitewash at the hands of England?

Predict the outcome of the 3-match Test series between Pakistan and England

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The Pakistan cricket team is facing a crucial test as they prepare to host England for a highly anticipated Test series.

Following their unexpected loss against Bangladesh, the home side will be under immense pressure to redeem themselves.

How do you think this series will unfold, and can Pakistan overcome its recent challenges to emerge victorious?
 
Doesn't look likely. Batting has always lately and will collapse in crunch moments. Even against Bangladesh we lost or couldn't drew because our batters freeze when push comes to shove.
 
Bangladesh is a better side than England in Asia. Stokes and Woakes factor gets nullified in Asia and this gives Pakistan a good chance to forget what happened in past and proceed ahead with a test series victory at home vs England.
 
No.

3-0 it will be.

We don’t have the bowlers to take ten wickets on any wicket in any ground.
 
Yes, provided PCB prepares pitches according to their strengths. It's a shame they still haven't learnt from their mistakes. They deserve no sympathy if they prepare dead tracks for the series one more time.
 
Anything can happen in cricket. If players go in with the mindset that they are going to get hammered then they will.
I am hoping for a competitive series now that some of the emotion from ther Bangladesh series has gone away.
 
Hitman said:
Yes, provided PCB prepares pitches according to their strengths.
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And what are those strengths?

Pace bowling? England has better seamers who grew up utilising seam friendly conditions.

Spinners? Leach and Bashir are better than any spinn duo Pakistan puts out.

Batting? Lol. Root alone can bury Pakistan if they prepare roads.
 
I like how 'who will win the series' is no longer asked for Pakistan. Straight away the question is, will they avoid whitewash :yk

I have a feeling Pakistan will surprise everyone and win this series. England cricket is on a decline and Pak players will come charged up after barrage of criticism they faced post Banglawash.

My punter hat says - Pak to beat Eng by 2-1.

Rajdeep
 
Mesozoic said:
And what are those strengths?

Pace bowling? England has better seamers who grew up utilising seam friendly conditions.

Spinners? Leach and Bashir are better than any spinn duo Pakistan puts out.

Batting? Lol. Root alone can bury Pakistan if they prepare roads.
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Strength or not we know that England struggle most on spin pitches. They have better spinners sure but preparing spin and reverse swing friendly pitches is the way to go if Pakistan want to be remotely competitive.

Remember last time England toured, only competitive match was Multan test which was a spinners pitch
 
hur rizvi said:
Strength or not we know that England struggle most on spin pitches. They have better spinners sure but preparing spin and reverse swing friendly pitches is the way to go if Pakistan want to be remotely competitive.

Remember last time England toured, only competitive match was Multan test which was a spinners pitch
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England only struggles against top class spinners like Ashwin, Kuldeep, Jadeja etc. They won 3-0 and 2-0 on their last two tours of Sri Lanka on some of the most spin friendly surfaces you'll ever see. You know why? Because SL have mediocre spinners..so do Pakistan.

But yes I do agree that the chances of beating England on spin friendly wickets are relatively higher than on pace/batting friendly surfaces. Not sure that can be termed as "strength" for Pakistan though.
 
Mesozoic said:
England only struggles against top class spinners like Ashwin, Kuldeep, Jadeja etc. They won 3-0 and 2-0 on their last two tours of Sri Lanka on some of the most spin friendly surfaces you'll ever see. You know why? Because SL have mediocre spinners..so do Pakistan.

But yes I do agree that the chances of beating England on spin friendly wickets are relatively higher than on pace/batting friendly surfaces. Not sure that can be termed as "strength" for Pakistan though.
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Never called it Pakistan strength. This Pakistan team has no strength in any department. England are relatively weak against spin, obviously "relatively" being the key word. It's just about playing the percentages, Pakistan have no chance on flatbeds or seamer friendly pitches. On spin friendly pitches English ultra aggressive approach might backfire.
 
another 0 - 3 is waiting.
These guys are so shameless they will just keep hanging around.

I mean after the losses the team faced last year. At leas 6 should have retired and left the game, IF they had some self respect.
 
Don't know about series results. But whatever pak have shown in spin department in recent times, Yassir Shah is better than all of them - Combined. I am not sure about his age or fitness or if retired, but fact is Angrez teams dont play leg spin, surely not that flash in Asian sc conditions. If no quality spinner and if pace performs same like against the bangla boys, it will be uphill struggle for pak.
 
Clean sweep loading... Pakistan fails to learn lessons, selects misfiring squad
 
I think we may see 1 draw (or even 2 draws).

England are no longer as strong as before. They have declined.
 
gazza619 said:
That is a curse which will ensure that Naqvi and his future generations are in charge of PCB.
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The graph has been going down only for a long time , it has to pick up at some point , especially while playing at home.

I think they were complacent and rather careless to go for a bold declaration in the first test. Had that not happened, Bangladesh would never have been able to sniff victory.

England is all Joe Root, the rest of their batters are overrated.
 
Bhaijaan said:
The graph has been going down only for a long time , it has to pick up at some point , especially while playing at home.

I think they were complacent and rather careless to go for a bold declaration in the first test. Had that not happened, Bangladesh would never have been able to sniff victory.

England is all Joe Root, the rest of their batters are overrated.
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I beg to differ. I am expecting some heavy scores from Ben Duckett & Harry Brookes and that too at a fast pace.
 
Bhaijaan said:
The graph has been going down only for a long time , it has to pick up at some point , especially while playing at home.

I think they were complacent and rather careless to go for a bold declaration in the first test. Had that not happened, Bangladesh would never have been able to sniff victory.

England is all Joe Root, the rest of their batters are overrated.
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Ben duckett and brook are more dangerous than root atm. Root is a soft run scorer. Other guys are always the main guys for bazball.
 
Dont know about the result.

Just know that Babar will be missing most of the series only to strike a lazy 100 at the fag end which doesnt affect the result and be labelled "ATG" and "World Class".
 
In the last 3 years number of times teams have taken 10 wickets in an innings

England 58 out of 37 tests
Australia 52 out of 32 tests
India 41 out of 26 tests
Sri Lanka 33 out of 24 tests
New zealand 32 out of 23 tests
South Africa 29 out of 21 tests
Banglaesh 26 out of 22 tests
West Indies 25 out of 22 tests
Pakistan 24 out of 19 tests

Three teams that struggle to take 20 wickets from this list are BD/WI/Pakistan.
 
Yes, it can. Not often home teams gets whitewashed in 3 tests series.
 
Hitman said:
Yes, provided PCB prepares pitches according to their strengths. It's a shame they still haven't learnt from their mistakes. They deserve no sympathy if they prepare dead tracks for the series one more time.
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They can't even play on dead tracks? What exactly is their strength atm? The truth is pakistan is far far behind in the skill department.

You can have uganda prepare the perfect pitch in their home country that suits they but they'll still have a flat chance in hell of beating aus, Eng and India lol.

It's no longer 2016 sadly where YK, Misbah, Azhar, Shafiq, Sarfi, shehzad could all play spin perfectly but were mediocre against pace hence they deliberately prepared spin tracks that offered zero seam movement and beat Australia accordingly since Australia vs Afghanistan has shown that Australia struggles immensely against quakity spin.

Current Pakistan will lose if they prepare spin tracks as the players can play spin, They'll lose if they prepare seam tracks as they can't handle seam and raw pace, They'll lose if they prepare bilo bounce aussie pitches as we saw in the Australia series, They'll lose if they prepare dead tracks as they can't compete in bazzball, they'll lose if they prepare a balanced WI pitch.

Case in point, They'll lose, They'll lose, They'll lose. End of story.
 
England could select a team from the local pub and they’ll still be favourites to win the series.

England could play their blind team and we’d still be fighting for a draw.
 
A series victory for England is most likely outcome of the series but I don't think it will be a 0-3 win for England. Pakistan should be able to win/draw at least one match.
 
Yeah it's too simple, play like a normal decent team but for that they need to fulfill the big IF
 
Hitman said:
Yes, provided PCB prepares pitches according to their strengths. It's a shame they still haven't learnt from their mistakes. They deserve no sympathy if they prepare dead tracks for the series one more time.
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" provided PCB prepares pitches according to their strength "

And what is " their strength" , I'm just curious , as I am not aware of any .
 
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I think England may win 2-1 or 2-0.

I expect a draw or a Pakistan win in one of the Tests.
 
Anything other than a 3-0 victory for Eng will be a disappointment for them.
 
No way they are winning the series so forget about clean sweep.

England bowling is very poor and bazball already exposed in india.

I think pakistan to win 2-1 .
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Anything other than a 3-0 victory for Eng will be a disappointment for them.
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If England don't win 3-0, then Bazball will be completely exposed .

Pakistan is the easiest place to win an away series currently.

It's tougher to beat WI, BD, SL, NZ, SA away

So there's more pressure on Bazball than on PAK.

There's no pressure on PAK who knows they are minnows and can play free, aggressive cricket.
 
Hitman said:
Yes, provided PCB prepares pitches according to their strengths. It's a shame they still haven't learnt from their mistakes. They deserve no sympathy if they prepare dead tracks for the series one more time.
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Pakistan has NO strengths , whatever they prepare , England will have advantage.
 
Justcrazy said:
Pakistan has NO strengths , whatever they prepare , England will have advantage.
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Let's take your word as truth. Don't you think preparing complete dead tracks at home is a recipe of disaster?
 
Nikhil_cric said:
If England don't win 3-0, then Bazball will be completely exposed .

Pakistan is the easiest place to win an away series currently.

It's tougher to beat WI, BD, SL, NZ, SA away

So there's more pressure on Bazball than on PAK.

There's no pressure on PAK who knows they are minnows and can play free, aggressive cricket.
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Bazball is already exposed but this is flawed logic (common theme with Indian posters these days tbh) because Bazball has already achieved a 3-0 whitewash in Pakistan two years ago.

It is not reasonable to expect them to do the same again and they don’t need to do it again either. They have already ticked that box, but failure to turn their fortunes around in India and in the Ashes exposed Bazball.

Indians seems to have a special problem with Bazball, perhaps mainly because it cost them a series win in England. They were ready to flex when they returned to England for the final Test with a 2-1 lead only to run into Bazball and they didn’t know what hit them.
 
Mamoon said:
Bazball is already exposed but this is flawed logic (common theme with Indian posters these days tbh) because Bazball has already achieved a 3-0 whitewash in Pakistan two years ago.

It is not reasonable to expect them to do the same again and they don’t need to do it again either. They have already ticked that box, but failure to turn their fortunes around in India and in the Ashes exposed Bazball.

Indians seems to have a special problem with Bazball, perhaps mainly because it cost them a series win in England. They were ready to flex when they returned to England for the final Test with a 2-1 lead only to run into Bazball and they didn’t know what hit them.
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Indians didn't seem to have so much a problem with Bazball as much as you did to be fair.

Also, Shaheen and Naseem didn't play the full series last time.

This time they'll be against the full might of the Pakistani bowling attack
 
Anything less than 3-0 will be an embarrassment for England

This Pakistan test side reminds me of Bangladesh of early 2000s. Absolutely woeful in every department. Their batter cannot bat. Their bowlers cannot take wickets.
 
very unlikely!

when Bangladesh can get them down quite easily then 3-0 is not even a challange for England.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Make extremely flat wickets and you may not lose 3-0.
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England would bazzball and do the same thing they did last time. Score 600 to 700 on day 1 ans have pakistan chase 4 days and bowl em out 2x.
 
Hitman said:
Let's take your word as truth. Don't you think preparing complete dead tracks at home is a recipe of disaster?
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If I was in Pakistan management and have to take a chance I would prepare rank Turner , which will turn from the go. Go in with two specialist spinner and two spin bowling all rounders.
 

Pakistan should aim to humiliate Bangladesh and England​


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Can Pakistan avoid a 0-3 Test series whitewash at the hands of England?​


Pakistan can draw or even win if Pakistan has normal pitches. On flat roads , I think Eng will simply outbat Pakistan and Pakistan will be just chasing the game entire 5 days. Have a normal turning tracks with full 2-3 spinners. Not those part time ones. Yes they are not world class, but far better situation than serving roads to Eng. Eng bats best on roads, Eng can't bat well on non-flat surfaces.
 
Cricket Warrior said:
Yeah, they went with the same strategy against Bangladesh.. and rest is history! :ROFLMAO:
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Those wickets were not as flat as we expected TBH. But I don't think that flat-wicket strategy can work against England. Their batters are gonna make a game out of nowhere by playing bazball kind of cricket and can take the game away in 30-40 overs.

Pakistan should try to find even in their strength which is nowhere to be seen atm. Pakistan has no real strength in any department.
 
Pakistan is at an all-time low across formats so yes, another whitewash is on the cards. 2014-2016 was a peak low time for Pakistan in white ball but they were still a great Test side. Right now, its just bad across all formats and its not just one aspect they are falling short in, the team is simply bad bowling side, very mediocre batting side and one of the worst fielding sides in in International cricket.

The only hope is players remember the countless amounts of losing vs England in Tests, ODI's & T20's and WC final that maybe it instills some fight in them but I doubt it. When was the last time Pakistan won a series vs England in any format? 2015 Test match series (and no, 1 off T20 win in 2016 doesn't count as a series win)? Nearly a decade without a series win in any bi-lateral format.
 
England's batting is on the roll in 1st test. Pakistan did post a huge total but the wicket is too flat and the English batters are already liking this pitch.

1-0 loading out of 3.
 
BouncerGuy said:
England's batting is on the roll in 1st test. Pakistan did post a huge total but the wicket is too flat and the English batters are already liking this pitch.

1-0 loading out of 3.
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Minnow mentality. Pakistan is at dominating postion that only two results possible - Draw or pakistan win.
 
Devadwal said:
Minnow mentality. Pakistan is at dominating postion that only two results possible - Draw or pakistan win.
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Bhai, if I said this for Australia aka Minnow Mentality pakistan is a total noob unlike aussie goats that would win or something like this

You'd have had my head by now.

When people are realistic you have an issue, when people are fan boying you have an issue? Kamal
 
Looks like Pakistan is well on its way to another home series defeat. This team deserves this.
 
Rana said:
Yes they could have but I blame Amir and Imad for this.
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Amir and Imad are certainly responsible for Babar's decline. Their comments on national TV have hurt Babar's ego so deeply that it's now affecting his performance.

its been a national bezaati :ROFLMAO:
 
It will take a huge effort from some players. Golden chance was there to draw this test by simply batting normally in second inning. Eng also had a poor bowling so it was a pure bottle job by Pakistan on that kind of surface.

Hopefully, some players step up in the next 2 tests. Eng batting itself is poor if pitch is not flat. Hope to see a balanced pitch in the next two tests.
 
Buffet said:
It will take a huge effort from some players. Golden chance was there to draw this test by simply batting normally in second inning. Eng also had a poor bowling so it was a pure bottle job by Pakistan on that kind of surface.

Hopefully, some players step up in the next 2 tests. Eng batting itself is poor if pitch is not flat. Hope to see a balanced pitch in the next two tests.
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Pakistan's best chance is a low scoring affair. But i think it is impossible to make result-oriented pitch in Pakistan. They have been docile tracks for decades. Not sure how they can suddenly change the nature of the pitch.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Pakistan's best chance is a low scoring affair. But i think it is impossible to make result-oriented pitch in Pakistan. They have been docile tracks for decades. Not sure how they can suddenly change the nature of the pitch.
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Yes, low scoring pitches will bridge the gap in skill set. That's the best chance but how hard it is to bat on super roads to draw after socring 550 runs in first inning. Even Pakistan should have been able to do it specially against a weak Eng bowling line up. It was an easy draw in 1st test and batsmen bottled it.

Hoping to see a better fightback from Pakistan in the next two tests.
 
Create a spinning track, forget the curator, lay barbed wire on the pitch and a road roller to go over it a few dozen times... cheaper and more effective
 
Pakistan has never produced pure spinning tracks which you see in India, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh.

Pakistani pitches are either purely flat or at best will aid swing, seam with some cracks, deterioration on Day 4,5 where spinners can finally come to play.
 
nish_mate said:
Create a spinning track, forget the curator, lay barbed wire on the pitch and a road roller to go over it a few dozen times... cheaper and more effective
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thats the easy part .... the hard part is to find real batsmen who can play spin and real spin bowlers who can dominate English batsmen who play spin much better than the Pakistani batsmen
 
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I still believe pakistan can surprise England and win a match in this series. England are prone to brainfades due to their ultra aggressive approach. Pak need to give themselves a chance by preparing a decent pitch. Best curator can do is just remove the cover for coule of days and don't water it. Even in mild heat it will slightly deteriorate after three days.

Anecdote time. In late 80s we were playing against an under 16 side in south India which was a very average side that time. We played in a college ground in a well known city in south, not every well known for cricket. To help their local team curator left the pitch open and dry for four days. It was winter time and hoped that the local team will bat last. We won the toss batted first put up a decent score and bowled the local team out twice in the same day. Should have seen the curator face 😂
 
If the pitch remains the same as it was in Multan, then surely it is 3-0.

Create a spin-friendly track and then there is some chance that Pakistan might pull off a draw at least.
 
BouncerGuy said:
If the pitch remains the same as it was in Multan, then surely it is 3-0.

Create a spin-friendly track and then there is some chance that Pakistan might pull off a draw at least.
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Root plays spin better then anyone in our whole domestic setup, not just international.

He'd have a field day, while Pakistan would e bundled out for 100 every time.

I keep telling people. Do whatever you can with the pitch. It won't help Uganda beat Australia.

It's the same situation here, England is Australia while Pakistan is Uganda.

Skill gap is too high, their batters, bowlers, fielders, fitness and captaincy is far higher then pak and they can even beat pak at their own game which is trying to go for fraud draws on road pitches
 
mominsaigol said:
Root plays spin better then anyone in our whole domestic setup, not just international.

He'd have a field day, while Pakistan would e bundled out for 100 every time.

I keep telling people. Do whatever you can with the pitch. It won't help Uganda beat Australia.

It's the same situation here, England is Australia while Pakistan is Uganda.

Skill gap is too high, their batters, bowlers, fielders, fitness and captaincy is far higher then pak and they can even beat pak at their own game which is trying to go for fraud draws on road pitches
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These flat pitches won't help Pakistan 100%.

Flat pitches always help the batters no matter if hey are from Aisa or not.

Apart from root, the other batters may try to dominate spin but they can make mistakes.
 
Everyone is saying create a spin-friendly track and the team will draw while forgetting that Joe Root will probably out-bowl any spinner we're going to field...
 
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