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Can Pakistan save the 1st Test against New Zealand?

Can Pakistan save the 1st Test against New Zealand?


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192 is the deficit for Pakistan - New Zealand will presumably bat at full speed tomorrow and get the lead past 350 and they have options.

But can Pakistan batting pick itself and give themselves a chance to save this game? Or could rain intervene?
 
Nz can declare after the first session and will confidently bowl us out in the next 5.

Our current lot are so one dimensional that the only way they will score runs is after facing a hundred balls each and only then they will feel comfortable at the wicket. They dont inspire me at all this lot. We are losing and it hurts me to write this.
 
I really think Pakistan can save this game. As the pitch get dryer it should be more familiar for the Pakistanis to both bat and bowl in. If we can keep the same discipline with the ball this innings and choke the runs. Then we can ideally only bat a little less than 4 sessions. Which is difficult, especially looking at the first innings but doable.
 
Nz can declare after the first session and will confidently bowl us out in the next 5.

Our current lot are so one dimensional that the only way they will score runs is after facing a hundred balls each and only then they will feel comfortable at the wicket. They dont inspire me at all this lot. We are losing and it hurts me to write this.

Depends on how they're allowed to bat in the first session, if they go 5 an over than yes, but I hope we can somehow keep em under 3-3.5. Making it so they look to bat 2 sessions at least to get a lead of around 380
 
Depends on how they're allowed to bat in the first session, if they go 5 an over than yes, but I hope we can somehow keep em under 3-3.5. Making it so they look to bat 2 sessions at least to get a lead of around 380

They will play in an attacking mode regardless of how we allow them to bat. The match is there for them to lose really, a draw from here is as good as a loss and a captain like Kane Williamson will be on suicide watch even if he lets Pakistan get away with a draw from this position.

they probably have enough runs as it is, we do not have a single player who will stand up and bat for us to try and win the game even if the target is 250. Believe me, I have followed this team since 2003, this is by far the most uninspirational top 6 and 8-11 tailenders that we have ever had!
 
Probably Pak will lose unless it rains for a day or Pak batsmen gets upto 80-90 overs maybe to survive then maybe a slight chance to save the test

If no rain then expecting pak to atleast show some fight with the bat and play more than 100 overs even if they are going to lose
 
I recon Rizwan need to come in at 3 and Fawad at 4. These two will show some heart at least and possibly set up some kind of platform to either see out the game or maybe chase some kind of decent target.

send Azhar and Haris at 7 and 8 for all I care. Bunch of p......s
 
A lead of 192 with two days to go gives NZ the freedom to be aggressive. They can bat for only 50 overs tomorrow and leave themselves with 140 overs to take 10 wickets.

Pakistan will not even make the slightest effort to chase the total unless pigs fly and New Zealand get bundled for less than 100 tomorrow.
 
No, but Pakistan at least showed backbone in the first go.
 
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Only if it rains for a session atleast. Kiwis are in a race against the weather not the opposition. For now..
 
No, but Pakistan at east showed backbone in the first go.

Only Fawad, Rizwan, Faheem and to some extent Abid did. That’s 4/11 individuals

We have 7 guys who are playing as if this is a paid holiday. Can’t blame Shaheen much either because he bowled his heart out
 
NZ already have almost 200 runs lead. They will bat for 2 sessions , score 200 more runs at a quicker rate as they can afford to due to having a safe lead and set a target of 400+ in 4 sessions.

Pakistan will not try to take risks while chasing that Target and go on full defensive.. Pakistan is unlikely to survive for 120 overs ( 25 overs on day 4 + 95 overs on day 5 ) unless it rains heavily and washes out one session.
 
They will try. The snails will bat at 0.8rpo, only to be bowled out within a couple of sessions on the final day.
 
One thing is for sure. We are going to be boring as hell.
 
Most pundits expected Pakistan to bowl twice and yasir shah to bowl on the 5th day with new zealand needing around a 100 to win but now it's a different ball game
If new zealand make another 150 in the first two sessions

It then depends on Pakistan doing what England failed to do last November and going for a draw and negating santner
 
[MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION], my 'Reply with quote' function doesn't seem to be working.

To answer, 4/11 players succeeded or more or less, end of day it's still a Pakistan team.

And I noticed that this performance is (thus far) not dissimilar to my Indian team's just under a year ago.

I know you can speak of different conditions, time of the year, who played, but still. Superstars, millionaires, world class support and this is what happened:

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...land-vs-india-1st-test-1187685/full-scorecard

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...land-vs-india-2nd-test-1187686/full-scorecard

So, I wouldn't be discouraged just yet.
 
I desperately hope that Pakistan loses.

They are hurtling backwards at an alarming rate under Misbah, who has now removed every single batsman aged under 30 and replaced him with a geriatric.

It’s a pretty placid pitch when even Faheem scores 91.

But I hope that Pakistan fail again so that Mohammad Wasim has a blank cheque to discard Abid and Azhar and Haris and Fawad and Yasir and Abbas.

If the humiliation of defeat ends the careers of those six has-beens it will all have been worthwhile.
 
Only Fawad, Rizwan, Faheem and to some extent Abid did. That’s 4/11 individuals

We have 7 guys who are playing as if this is a paid holiday. Can’t blame Shaheen much either because he bowled his heart out

I'd say Shaheen and Abbas also showed backbone - thats 6/11.
 
I'd say Shaheen and Abbas also showed backbone - thats 6/11.

Abbas..hmm

Abbas has just done what Abbas does, nothing more, nothing less. I dont blame him too much in this Test, its not his job to bat at 3 and score 100 for his side. There are ways of getting the best out of robotic cricketers like him, I doubt anyone would know how to utilise him properly in a poor side like this.
 
I don't see Pakistan surviving from here. They may delay the inevitable. NZ will most likely turn around the game pace tomorrow.
 
The two Shah's to destroy NZ batting tommorow.. NZ allout for 101, Then Abid, Masood centuries with a 50 from Azhar ali to take Pakistan home. A famous back to the wall victory.
It will be the 2001 moment of Pakistan comparative to the Indians.
 
It will take a miraculous effort even if NZ declared at 10 runs tomorrow.

I am afraid many of the top order players are not capable of it - especially when spin will also come into play.

I am voting No with a heavy heart.
 
The two Shah's to destroy NZ batting tommorow.. NZ allout for 101, Then Abid, Masood centuries with a 50 from Azhar ali to take Pakistan home. A famous back to the wall victory.
It will be the 2001 moment of Pakistan comparative to the Indians.

Yeah and New Zealand pacers will forget how to bowl :yk
 
I desperately hope that Pakistan loses.

They are hurtling backwards at an alarming rate under Misbah, who has now removed every single batsman aged under 30 and replaced him with a geriatric.

It’s a pretty placid pitch when even Faheem scores 91.

But I hope that Pakistan fail again so that Mohammad Wasim has a blank cheque to discard Abid and Azhar and Haris and Fawad and Yasir and Abbas.

If the humiliation of defeat ends the careers of those six has-beens it will all have been worthwhile.

He should have never been even sniffing around the HC position in the first place. CMA would likely have had this team competing by now here in NZ because the has-beens wouldn't have gotten in. I said then that this was a 5 year repair job minimum and they discarded him in year 3. Forget the issues he had with match tactics-that could have been handed off to someone else. He was steadily changing the culture around Pakistan cricket and that would have served PK best in the long run.
 
Pakistan has better chance of saving the match than India did in any of its test matches against new zealand
 
Honestly, I hope we don't draw this one . . very defeatest mindset, I know but just the quality of cricket we played was sooo atrocious, we don't deserve to get out of this one! 70 odd runs in 55 overs . . Ridiculous captaincy . . Pathetic mindset . .
 
Hoping for 2 days non stop rain.
There's no Younis, Yousaf, Inzi to dead beat block ball after ball for days.
 
192 is the deficit for Pakistan - New Zealand will presumably bat at full speed tomorrow and get the lead past 350 and they have options.

But can Pakistan batting pick itself and give themselves a chance to save this game? Or could rain intervene?


Pakistan will have to bat for at least 5 sessions to draw. which is very difficult.

Only other scenario is to bowl out NZ for 100 or less and go for the target, which seems unlikely.

so Pakistan has 10-15% chance of saving this match.
 
Accounting the current pitch conditions and Pakistan's bowling attack, how much of a chance there is for New Zealand to get bowled out under a 100?
 
Honestly, I hope we don't draw this one . . very defeatest mindset, I know but just the quality of cricket we played was sooo atrocious, we don't deserve to get out of this one! 70 odd runs in 55 overs . . Ridiculous captaincy . . Pathetic mindset . .

In every series you expect Pakistan to gets rolled over atleast once in a series
 
Pakistan will have to bat for at least 5 sessions to draw. which is very difficult.

Only other scenario is to bowl out NZ for 100 or less and go for the target, which seems unlikely.

so Pakistan has 10-15% chance of saving this match.

do you think they will declare after 1 session ?
 
No one knows the future but one opinion is: Existing lead of 192 is enough for NZ to win.

They can declare after facing one ball just for formality. They probably won’t do it but it will be interesting to see if Pakistan can score 193 in the second innings regardless of the total they are chasing
 
We made a fist of it thats a good enough start for me. Lets keep fighting here want to see some backbone from Harry Azhoo and Faudi, the slip-catching triplets.
 
The reality is that New Zealand can bat until the middle of the 2nd session and put Pakistan in.

That would give them about 130 overs to bowl Pakistan out.
 
It can but it won’t because the guys aren’t bothered at this point of their respective careers. They are just too comfortable with the idea of losing against SENA countries.
 
I feel like Pak bowlers will come out firing, but fielding in general (particularly slip cordon) will let them down. As for saving the test, don't think Pakistan will do it.
 
Only team that could fight back from this horrendous position is Australia, and Pakistan ain't close to being on the same planet as them. So, a massive no ofcourse.

We will get smashed, and the game might even end today.
 
Chase or Defend Everything.

I believe we don't have the quality to defend 90 overs straight and more often than not there ll be a peach of delivery(although our batsman don't need that) that ll get you out. So maybe we can go for it and probably we ll lose but i think that ll be wiser decision. What's your opinion?
 
100% AGREED. However, considering we have Misbah at helm, I think tomorrow's strategy would be to tuk tuk until you get out.
 
Last time we defended everything and suddenly Azhar tried to chase and hell broke lose. I would prefer salvaging a draw by doing a blockathon which this team is very much capable of.
 
I would have sent Faheem at no.4 but anyways, ALL BATSMEN SHOULD PLAY WITH POSITIVE INTENT TOMORROW. If you have to go down, go down swinging.
 
Neither. Bat properly and break the day down into half-hour segments. There should be no deliberate tactic to block everything.
 
Here come Misbah fans...

Misbah wasn't even in the team when this happened. His father in law passed away. Mickey Arthur was the coach. We were chasing a 1-0 loss in the series, so had nothing to lose. Here if we draw this match then the series is there for the taking for both teams.
 
You think they can block 90 overs? I think there is a chance of chasing 302 more than that.
 
Just play the ball on the merit. Survive until launch tomorrow and see how are the bowling conditions. If Pakistan can keep up over 3 run rate and have wickets in hand then try to go for the win.
 
We have no chance of winning this or even drawing..

I’d be happy to eat some humble pie tomorrow though :)
 
Play positively. 70/3 right now, aim for a 50-80 run partnership for the next wicket. 140/4 and then aim for another good partnership — 220/5. This will require one of Fawad or Azhar Ali to dig in and score a hundred, with the other making 70 odd and another 80 runs partnership from 220/5 between Rizwan and Faheem.

Play positively but carefully - as long as we bat the entire day, we can feasibly chase the target. I don’t think there are any real demons on the pitch. I don’t think our batsmen our capable of it either, but this is their opportunity to prove us all wrong.
 
Play positively. 70/3 right now, aim for a 50-80 run partnership for the next wicket. 140/4 and then aim for another good partnership — 220/5. This will require one of Fawad or Azhar Ali to dig in and score a hundred, with the other making 70 odd and another 80 runs partnership from 220/5 between Rizwan and Faheem.

Play positively but carefully - as long as we bat the entire day, we can feasibly chase the target. I don’t think there are any real demons on the pitch. I don’t think our batsmen our capable of it either, but this is their opportunity to prove us all wrong.

We are not capable of chasing this. Not even if all the remaining bat out of their skins
 
Azhar Ali is a really great batsman...always rescues Pakistan in a crisis situation
 
Pakistan is playing for a draw tomorrow there is no chance of winning this. The pitch is too up and down but even a draw seems unlikely against a formidable bowling attack.

This is the fight I wanted to see. Was expecting this out of a Misbah coached side I know this is not the popular opinion going around. And this is without our best bat lets not forget.

Wanted to see more out of the openers and Haris. Unfortunate that they couldnt deliver and looked checked out. May be a case all 3 need replacements, not surprising. But this is the nucleus we can and should build on/around. Hoping this will continue over the next few months and start to bear fruit.

Some (Mamoon!!!) are calling this Indian team the GOAT asian test team and us a minnow. Lets not forget the same Indian team tried twice and couldnt make it to day 5 either time. We shouldnt take this fight lightly this team is not what the Pak team was over the last decade or so. We should be cautiously optimistic for some good things from this test team and not make whole sale changes. And I fully realize its very early days.
 
Need to take session by session even though it's very difficult to survive 95 overs on the final day. If Pakistan somehow survive the first session without losing a wicket then they will be confident to survive the whole day or it could be game over if they lose a couple of wickets in the first session .

Azhar Ali will have to stand like a rock and have others bat around him .
 
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Hoping for a draw as that would pretty much seal our spot for the Test championship final at Lords. :)
 
NZ will have one crack at Pakistan with the new ball around the early tea time. We need to have two established batsmen hanging around till then to stand a chance. Our tail isnt the brightest in the world
 
No they can't and I hope that fawad guy doesn't score much it will hurt Pakistan in long.It's almost impossible to survive 90 overs on day 5
 
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Lol you hope he flops so that we lose? :shezzy2 - doomed if you do doomed if you don't.

I would be more than happy for him to make a ton and Pak save the game.
 
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Lol you hope he flops so that we lose? :shezzy2 - doomed if you do doomed if you don't.

I would be more than happy for him to make a ton and Pak save the game.

That's the thing,he can't save the match.It's impossible and he will score those useless runs like Asad shafiq did for more than 70 matches.
 
Only team that could fight back from this horrendous position is Australia, and Pakistan ain't close to being on the same planet as them. So, a massive no ofcourse.

We will get smashed, and the game might even end today.

Indin as well. Everyone wrote them off after that first test loss.
 
On a Day 5 pitch, a lot can happen. I'll give a general run down of what we can expect.

The pitch has started to deteriorate and after the first few spells of fast-bowling, we will see Santner bowl in the attack to conjure a wicket.

The dead spots and the cracks mean that the pitch has variable bounce, which makes Jamieson and Wagner very difficult to handle.

Trent Boult and Tim Southee will be gone after the opening spell because they don't have the same skillset as Jamieson and Wagner, and Williamson knows that.

As a batting unit, we have Fawad Alam, Azhar Ali, Mohammad Rizwan, Faheem Ashraf and Yasir Shah left who can at least bat.

The game plan should be for Azhar and Fawad to set up a foundation with a big partnership up front. The likes of Yasir Shah should just defend and rotate strike, no need for them to take risks.

Against Santner, we shouldn't have a big problem because he isn't really a threatening bowler, though he has variations which our batsmen will need to be careful of.

One plan I have is to bludgeon Santner out of the attack, hit him hard so that Williamson thinks twice about bringing him back on, because what that causes is for Williamson to bowl Wagner and Jamieson for longer.

Wagner has an injury, and though it is highly commendable that he has bowled so well, he can't bowl too many overs. Jamieson is a tank so he will bowl a lot of overs if needed. That means that Boult or Southee will have to come back, and they aren't as effective with the old ball as compared with the new ball.

We need to negate the swing early on and rotate strike well. No risky singles and doubles, we cannot afford a runout in this situation.

Azhar Ali and Fawad will set a partnership which will allow the likes of Faheem Ashraf to come in and play their natural game.

That's the only way we can win.

If we lose 2 or 3 wickets up front, we need to sit back and defend everything. That's the Plan B, to get something out of a draw. Plan A is to go for the win.

New Zealand should have batted for a bit longer, or scored more runs to make the deficit greater than 400, because we'd be out of the game. They gave us a chance, and 300 looks very difficult, and it will be challenging, but it is doable.

Wishing Pakistan all the best.
 
NhA. India can't chase 300 especially under Kohli in tests.

I am not sure about Rahane.

Lanka can.

Haha are you trolling. If you're not they only did it once because of one of their batsmen played the innings of his life.
 
We might have the tiniest of chances if we only lose 1-2 wickets max in the first 2 sessions. Anything more and we're done.
 
Seems like a lot of people on here either are delusional or have very little understanding of test cricket .

Pakistan are 74-3! From this position even a target of 202 would be tricky on a day 5 pitch let alone 302.

Pakistan should not go in a shell but expecting them to score 3 an over when they have barely scored 2 for the majority of the test match is being optimistic to say the least .

They need to focus on batting out the day . If they get to ambition and start chasing balls outside off stump and collapse then they will be chastised .

A credible draw will feel like a victory for them . This is a similar situation to the 2011 test match in New Zealand where misyou batted out the day to save the match .
 
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