Can Saim Ayub be considered as the next Pakistan captain?

[mominsaigol]

Here me out. I'm not asking for him to be made captain straight away.

But after 2027 wc why not?

He captained for Markhors in a few games in the Champions one day cup and he captained brilliantly. Infact he scored a 150 in the game he captained.

Furthermore pcb is backing him as an all format player. He's come good in odi with brilliant performances against Australia and Zimbabwe( 100 of 53).

He hasn't come good in t20 though, and in tests he's been medicore atm. Infact he and Abdullah have been the worst opening duo for pakistan in test cricket.

However his odi performances lead me to believe that he's one innings away from establishing himself as a test and t20 star.

As I said early days for him, But an all format player who can become a solid all format captain post 27? I'm all for it.

Besides, he has the right attitude. Rizwan and Agha will propell our t20 team into the stone ages.

 

[sweep_shot]

Captaincy can give him added pressure and may ruin his game. That's what happened to Babar.

I think he shouldn't be the captain yet.

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

He needs to deliver consistently for atleast 5 years before he takes on more responsibility. He should aim for 40+ averages in tests and ODIs.

 

[mominsaigol]

Captaincy can give him added pressure and may ruin his game. That's what happened to Babar.

I think he shouldn't be the captain yet.

Read what I said. I said post 2027, not now.

 

[sweep_shot]

Read what I said. I said post 2027, not now.

Sorry. Missed that.

To be honest, Saim Ayub seems like an introverted person. I am not sure if he will be good for captaincy.

Captaincy should be given to someone who has an expressive/authoritative personality (Imran Khan, Sarfaraz Ahmed, Wasim Akram, Moin Khan etc.).

 

[mominsaigol]

He needs to deliver consistently for atleast 5 years before he takes on more responsibility. He should aim for 40+ averages in tests and ODIs.

That's why I said post 2027. Not now obviously.

By post 2027, i meant after the world cup.

By then he'll be 25 and will probably be mainstay in the team.

He'll have 3+ years of experience and the likes of Rizwan will be 35 and at the end of their rope. Same with Babar who not only is declining rapidly but age is also not on his side as he'll be 33 by then.

33 and 35 may seem young but given how badly rizwan has regressed in cricket as a batsmen especially in t20 cricket and odi cricket and how badly Babar has regressed in all formats its not looking good.

The only format rizwan has been good in 2024 has been in test cricket but even then he got exposed the moment aqib javed curated spin wickets and not flat track roads which pak used against Bangladesh.

 

[mominsaigol]

Sorry. Missed that.

To be honest, Saim Ayub seems like an introverted person. I am not sure if he will be good for captaincy.

Captaincy should be given to someone who has an expressive/authoritative personality (Imran Khan, Sarfaraz Ahmed, Wasim Akram, Moin Khan etc.).

But who would you suggest my bro?

Right now let's look at the options.

Shan is 34, and not only is he not good as a player by 2027 he'll be 37? So pakistan will require a new test captain anyway, by 37 Shan will be cooked as he doesn't have the longetivity to play till then.

Babar's career is rapidly declining however even if he improves amd his career gets a resurgence, he ain't getting captaincy again.

Rizwan will be 35 in 2027 and ik at the very least he won't retain t20 captaincy. He might still be an odi captain but he won't be leading the t20 side.

Salman Ali Agha will definitely not be leading the t20 side either.

Then the likes of Abdullah don't have any captaincy experience period. Abdullah before he made his odi and test debut only played 15 fc and 7 List A games lol.

Shaheen will probably be cooked by then, naseem Shah is injury prone and rauf will also retire.

Sajid and Nouman won't become all format players and even of they do, Nouman will retire and sajid doesn't have any captaincy experience.

Everyone else like Kamran ghulam, Omair bin yousaf, tayyab tahir came after saim ayub and will have even less experience by then.

Similarly fakhar will be 37 and will retire as well

It'll be between saim ayub and Saud Shakeel unless some super miracle prodigy comes for pakistan and replaces these 2.

Saud will be 32 and will likely become test captain and probably will be test captain by 2025. Saim will probs get t20

 

[gazza619]

Saim could be groomed in a couple of years. Riz will play in important role in this.

 

[shaz619]

I never thought of this because in Pakistan cricket it’s all about fighting fires opposed to thinking ahead, but it’s a good suggestion, he should be groomed for the T20 captaincy especially to begin with. In the ideal scenario Fakhar would be leading the limited over teams and Saim could be taken under his wing. You should hire leaders who understand modern cricket so it’s a good shout @mominsaigol

 

[mominsaigol]

I never thought of this because in Pakistan cricket it’s all about fighting fires opposed to thinking ahead, but it’s a good suggestion, he should be groomed for the T20 captaincy especially to begin with. In the ideal scenario Fakhar would be leading the limited over teams and Saim could be taken under his wing. You should hire leaders who understand modern cricket so it’s a good shout @mominsaigol

The thing is, Saim has captaincy experience. He's captained before and has captained well.

And as I mentioned in my reply to @sweep_shot the only candidates in 2027 will be Saud shakeel and Saim Ayub.

Only other option is Rizwan who I fear just like misbah will try to latch on until he's 42. And I can see that happening because both misbah and rizzu are exactly the same as whiteball players.

A) Both couldn't make it into the team (Misbah early 2000's and rizzu 2015-2018).

B) Both required favours and nepotism to enter and behind the scenes manipulation. Misbah needed waqar younis and Oathgate + Afridi's stubbornness to lead post 2011,

Rizwan needed Misbah as a favour + Babar azam and other coaches to fizzled out until he was the only candidate.

C) Both play whiteball in the exact same fashion while batting

Only difference is that aqib hasn't let rizzu select his 15 while misbah had full control and that rizzu is alot younger then misbah was when they both got shoehorned in.

So I can see Rizwan latching on till age 42

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Well for that he must be tried intermittently as Stand in captain for the national side before 2027 and should be the leader of PZ

 

[Mamoon]

Any batsman who performs in all formats for a significant period of time will be a de facto choice for captaincy at some point, since most teams are reluctant to appoint bowling captains and most batsmen don't last long enough or are not all format players to be considered. So if Saim can establish himself as an all format opener for 3-4 years, the captaincy will eventually fall into his lap.

Fakhar missed the boat because his career coincided with Babar while Imam fell off. Shafique will find it hard to establish himself as a T20I opener. Purely in Test cricket, Saud Shakeel will probably be the next captain.

 

[Kianig89]

2027.....PCB has no plans for 2025 as evident by the humiliation of CT let the guy play consistently for 20-30 games

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Let him play and establish his spot permanently first these early responsibilities can ruin him as a player.

 

[shaz619]

The thing is, Saim has captaincy experience. He's captained before and has captained well.

And as I mentioned in my reply to @sweep_shot the only candidates in 2027 will be Saud shakeel and Saim Ayub.

Only other option is Rizwan who I fear just like misbah will try to latch on until he's 42. And I can see that happening because both misbah and rizzu are exactly the same as whiteball players.

A) Both couldn't make it into the team (Misbah early 2000's and rizzu 2015-2018).

B) Both required favours and nepotism to enter and behind the scenes manipulation. Misbah needed waqar younis and Oathgate + Afridi's stubbornness to lead post 2011,

Rizwan needed Misbah as a favour + Babar azam and other coaches to fizzled out until he was the only candidate.

C) Both play whiteball in the exact same fashion while batting

Only difference is that aqib hasn't let rizzu select his 15 while misbah had full control and that rizzu is alot younger then misbah was when they both got shoehorned in.

So I can see Rizwan latching on till age 42

I personally don’t think Rizwan will last that long (god it scares me to think about it), I despise Misbah but we both agree he was a solid Test batsman. Even with zero reflex’s, the sly fox had a few tricks up his sleeve. His defence was sound, he knew how to protect himself in the batting order and rarely exposed himself to the new ball for a long period. Misbah was never going to win matches with the bat, but he could handle spin well enough unlike Rizwan who has a fake reputation for being a spin basher and could play shots all around the ground, plus he could keep himself fresh & eventually relinquished other forms, very fit as well. Rizwan’s abilities are very much dependent on his form and if that’s not great, it doesn’t really help his hand eye coordination which he relies on, his defence is not as great as Misbah’s was and has this tendency to get bogged down quiet easily against good bowlers, he just has that one release shot which Misbah gave him but that wont cut it when he is in terrible knick. If Pak invest in him for the long run, am afraid his fans are in for huge disappointment, I would feel sorry for genuine Pakistan fans as well because it would be a futile exercise that will make sure Pakistan are fighting fires for a very long time.

 

[mominsaigol]

I personally don’t think Rizwan will last that long (god it scares me to think about it), I despise Misbah but we both agree he was a solid Test batsman. Even with zero reflex’s, the sly fox had a few tricks up his sleeve. His defence was sound, he knew how to protect himself in the batting order and rarely exposed himself to the new ball for a long period. Misbah was never going to win matches with the bat, but he could handle spin well enough unlike Rizwan who has a fake reputation for being a spin basher and could play shots all around the ground, plus he could keep himself fresh & eventually relinquished other forms, very fit as well. Rizwan’s abilities are very much dependent on his form and if that’s not great, it doesn’t really help his hand eye coordination which he relies on, his defence is not as great as Misbah’s was and has this tendency to get bogged down quiet easily against good bowlers, he just has that one release shot which Misbah gave him but that wont cut it when he is in terrible knick. If Pak invest in him for the long run, am afraid his fans are in for huge disappointment, I would feel sorry for genuine Pakistan fans as well because it would be a futile exercise that will make sure Pakistan are fighting fires for a very long time.

Misbah wasn't that good. He was clueless against pace, however had a solid defence againat spin amd due to having a good backfoot could clear the rope against spin.

It's why he avg 59 in uae because during his era pace was redundant their.

He avg 22 in sa, 28 in pak, 37 in NZ, 26 in sri lanka, 16 in aus etc etc. His high averages are only in uae and in areas where the bowling has been rubbish or the pitch is a flat track, For example his 116 avg in India looks solid but them you realise that almost every tom dick and Harry Indian batter in those 3 games averaged and scored more then he did.

Rizwan is actually alot better in test cricket then Misbah is, he averages nearly 40+ in almost every country including Australia something Misbah couldn't do since he was a bunny against. Rizzu is only poor againat eng in test cricket.

Rizwan is an awful and selfish odi and t20 bat, However in test my issue with him isn't that he's poor, my issue with him is that for a no 6 batter in test cricket, He's clueless when it comes to batting with the tail and often times pakistan collapses before they can even take a lead because this selfish clueless moron is too busy exposing the tail.

If Rizwan would just improve this aspect in test cricket then I wouldn't complain about him in test. I'd still rip him into pieces in odi and t20, but he isn't a bad test batter, Just a selfish one.

 

[shaz619]

Misbah wasn't that good. He was clueless against pace, however had a solid defence againat spin amd due to having a good backfoot could clear the rope against spin.

It's why he avg 59 in uae because during his era pace was redundant their.

He avg 22 in sa, 28 in pak, 37 in NZ, 26 in sri lanka, 16 in aus etc etc. His high averages are only in uae and in areas where the bowling has been rubbish or the pitch is a flat track, For example his 116 avg in India looks solid but them you realise that almost every tom dick and Harry Indian batter in those 3 games averaged and scored more then he did.

Rizwan is actually alot better in test cricket then Misbah is, he averages nearly 40+ in almost every country including Australia something Misbah couldn't do since he was a bunny against. Rizzu is only poor againat eng in test cricket.

Rizwan is an awful and selfish odi and t20 bat, However in test my issue with him isn't that he's poor, my issue with him is that for a no 6 batter in test cricket, He's clueless when it comes to batting with the tail and often times pakistan collapses before they can even take a lead because this selfish clueless moron is too busy exposing the tail.

If Rizwan would just improve this aspect in test cricket then I wouldn't complain about him in test. I'd still rip him into pieces in odi and t20, but he isn't a bad test batter, Just a selfish one.

You have to remember those are Misbah’s numbers well past his prime, not that I am saying he would have been a world beater or something. Am just going back to your original point on Rizwan possibly being around forever, I just strongly feel that his overall skills when compared to Misbah’s, north of 35, will regress considerably, that’s what I meant, Misbah was an expert at hogging his spot for a long period and Rizwan doesn’t have the smarts to do it in a similar fashion due to his limited ability and I wouldn’t read too much into his numbers in this era given the selfishness you’ve highlighted.

 

[mominsaigol]

You have to remember those are Misbah’s numbers well past his prime, not that I am saying he would have been a world beater or something. Am just going back to your original point on Rizwan possibly being around forever, I just strongly feel that his overall skills when compared to Misbah’s, north of 35, will regress considerably, that’s what I meant, Misbah was an expert at hogging his spot for a long period and Rizwan doesn’t have the smarts to do it in a similar fashion due to his limited ability and I wouldn’t read too much into his numbers in this era given the selfishness you’ve highlighted.

Rizzu's stats may decrease however both misbah and Rizwan are experts at hogging slots.

If rizzu wasn't an expert at it, He wouldn't be hogging opening in t20 for nearly 5 years now. Similarly he's now entering year 2 of him perpetually hogging the no 4 slot in odi and no 6 in tests.

 

[shaz619]

Rizzu's stats may decrease however both misbah and Rizwan are experts at hogging slots.

If rizzu wasn't an expert at it, He wouldn't be hogging opening in t20 for nearly 5 years now. Similarly he's now entering year 2 of him perpetually hogging the no 4 slot in odi and no 6 in tests.

The T20 & ODI hogging is just unfathomable to me because somebody ought to have asked him to step aside by now, he literally go nothing to show remotely that he is equipped to meet modern demands and has overseen some horrific defeats

 

[mominsaigol]

The T20 & ODI hogging is just unfathomable to me because somebody ought to have asked him to step aside by now, he literally go nothing to show remotely that he is equipped to meet modern demands and has overseen some horrific defeats

Basically if you want to know

2007 Misbah > Rizwan in all formats.

Misbah later on in his career is weaker then rizzu in tests and T20 however he's > Rizzu on spinning wickets. Rizzu was exposed badly against England where misbah avg nearly 59 in tests on uae.

Misbah is 100x better then rizzu at playing spin but during Misbah's captaincy stint Rizzu is the better SENA batter while misbah is the better Asian test batter.

In terms of Odi, both are crap however Misbah was more consistent in getting 80 ball 50's while rizzu is better at padding against crapola attacks such as scoring 132 againat sri lanka or getting 2 hundreds against aus c string in 2019.

Both are crap players though

 

[shaz619]

Basically if you want to know

2007 Misbah > Rizwan in all formats.

Misbah later on in his career is weaker then rizzu in tests and T20 however he's > Rizzu on spinning wickets. Rizzu was exposed badly against England where misbah avg nearly 59 in tests on uae.

Misbah is 100x better then rizzu at playing spin but during Misbah's captaincy stint Rizzu is the better SENA batter while misbah is the better Asian test batter.

In terms of Odi, both are crap however Misbah was more consistent in getting 80 ball 50's while rizzu is better at padding against crapola attacks such as scoring 132 againat sri lanka or getting 2 hundreds against aus c string in 2019.

Both are crap players though

I am aware, Rizwan wont match what Misbah was capable of for a very brief period in T20’s, it is amusing he has been instrumental in reinventing Rizwan when during the inception of T20I’s he didn’t play like that, almost like he is orchestrating more ways to cripple Pakistan by having average players hold Pakistan hostage. In Tests Rizwan obviously has to play but I don’t really rate his batting too highly if am honest, apart from that one good away series against England which his phew did ok in as well. Anyway I think he doesn’t have what it takes to have a prolonged Test career and his decline thankfully has begun, Pak need to invest in back up options right away

 

[mominsaigol]

Saim ayub future captain, Make it happen

 

[mominsaigol]

I am aware, Rizwan wont match what Misbah was capable of for a very brief period in T20’s, it is amusing he has been instrumental in reinventing Rizwan when during the inception of T20I’s he didn’t play like that, almost like he is orchestrating more ways to cripple Pakistan by having average players hold Pakistan hostage. In Tests Rizwan obviously has to play but I don’t really rate his batting too highly if am honest, apart from that one good away series against England which his phew did ok in as well. Anyway I think he doesn’t have what it takes to have a prolonged Test career and his decline thankfully has begun, Pak need to invest in back up options right away

Players like rizwan have techincal issues. A player who can't play on the offside will eventually dissappear

 

[Asif321]

But who would you suggest my bro?

Right now let's look at the options.

Shan is 34, and not only is he not good as a player by 2027 he'll be 37? So pakistan will require a new test captain anyway, by 37 Shan will be cooked as he doesn't have the longetivity to play till then.

Babar's career is rapidly declining however even if he improves amd his career gets a resurgence, he ain't getting captaincy again.

Rizwan will be 35 in 2027 and ik at the very least he won't retain t20 captaincy. He might still be an odi captain but he won't be leading the t20 side.

Salman Ali Agha will definitely not be leading the t20 side either.

Then the likes of Abdullah don't have any captaincy experience period. Abdullah before he made his odi and test debut only played 15 fc and 7 List A games lol.

Shaheen will probably be cooked by then, naseem Shah is injury prone and rauf will also retire.

Sajid and Nouman won't become all format players and even of they do, Nouman will retire and sajid doesn't have any captaincy experience.

Everyone else like Kamran ghulam, Omair bin yousaf, tayyab tahir came after saim ayub and will have even less experience by then.

Similarly fakhar will be 37 and will retire as well

It'll be between saim ayub and Saud Shakeel unless some super miracle prodigy comes for pakistan and replaces these 2.

Saud will be 32 and will likely become test captain and probably will be test captain by 2025. Saim will probs get t20

Shady boy will come back and captain both t20 and odi sides

 

[Aviator]

Captaincy of pakistan nowadays are reserved for the elites like shan and agha... The requirements are simple... You have to be a non performing member to get the captaincy... Next captain could be abdullah shafique.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Captaincy of pakistan nowadays are reserved for the elites like shan and agha... The requirements are simple... You have to be a non performing member to get the captaincy... Next captain could be abdullah shafique.

Then I want to join Pakistan team too as they actually do so.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Saim ayub future captain, Make it happen

he is street smart.. could be a very good leader

 

[Bhaijaan]

Not a matter of time now. He’s the future

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Not a matter of time now. He’s the future

no doubt... he was looking good tonight

 

[masterblaster]

Only one who looked like he belonged here.